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laceylmm 08:10 AM 12-03-2013
Just a general statement that comes and goes through my mind from time to time. I have an early childhood degree so yes I understand the rhyme and reason behind why some kids do the things they do.

But some days I have just flabbergasted at how some kids just have no idea of how to pick up after themselves, or how everything is a 'choice'...

I guess I'm more surprise at parents lack of backbones. Or follow through.

I kid you not I had dcm say that her child was grounded for throwing his usual fit yesterday morning. But this time demanding a foot rub and root beer float. So she grounded him and then gave him a SMALL root beer float for breakfast!

Some days I feel more like it's my job to provide tough love than anything else. Or it's just depressing feeling like a 'bad guy' because you are just being consistent with the kids.
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morgan24 08:32 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by laceylmm:
Just a general statement that comes and goes through my mind from time to time. I have an early childhood degree so yes I understand the rhyme and reason behind why some kids do the things they do.

But some days I have just flabbergasted at how some kids just have no idea of how to pick up after themselves, or how everything is a 'choice'...

I guess I'm more surprise at parents lack of backbones. Or follow through.

I kid you not I had dcm say that her child was grounded for throwing his usual fit yesterday morning. But this time demanding a foot rub and root beer float. So she grounded him and then gave him a SMALL root beer float for breakfast!

Some days I feel more like it's my job to provide tough love than anything else. Or it's just depressing feeling like a 'bad guy' because you are just being consistent with the kids.
I agree! I can't believe how many kids have to have a sippy cup and snack in the car. Most of mine have a 10 minute ride or bringing food in the morning and the parents let me take it because it's easier. The other day it was chicken nuggets, she came in the door and hand them to me. I feel like the bad guy most of the time.
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laceylmm 08:39 AM 12-03-2013
This boy just said he doesn't like my stupid house...sorry I'll be sure to not make you clean up after yourself again.
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Great Beginnings 09:25 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by laceylmm:
This boy just said he doesn't like my stupid house...sorry I'll be sure to not make you clean up after yourself again.
While I was growing up an adult would respond by saying... "I'll give you something to cry about or I'll give you some more reasons not to like my house" Lol

Now days the so called appropriate response is "So and so. I'm sorry I had to ask you to clean up but That is not nice and hurts my feelings but yay you are using big boy words to express how you feel"
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Annalee 09:37 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by laceylmm:
Just a general statement that comes and goes through my mind from time to time. I have an early childhood degree so yes I understand the rhyme and reason behind why some kids do the things they do.

But some days I have just flabbergasted at how some kids just have no idea of how to pick up after themselves, or how everything is a 'choice'...

I guess I'm more surprise at parents lack of backbones. Or follow through.

I kid you not I had dcm say that her child was grounded for throwing his usual fit yesterday morning. But this time demanding a foot rub and root beer float. So she grounded him and then gave him a SMALL root beer float for breakfast!

Some days I feel more like it's my job to provide tough love than anything else. Or it's just depressing feeling like a 'bad guy' because you are just being consistent with the kids.
Yep, children are coddled, but I think dcp want it that way....dcp want to be coddled too and I don't see that getting any better in the future....the "me" generation is taking over.....I can see major changes in clients now compared to when I first started FCC twenty plus years ago.
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Heidi 09:41 AM 12-03-2013
Ever feel bullied by a BABY?

That's how I feel here, honestly. At 5 months, he still cries waaaay to much (especially after being gone for a week last week). He want's to be "done" all the time. Play with me, bounce me, no, I'm hungry, no, I'm tired, no wait, hungry, no walk me around.

I don't play the game, but mom does, and it's day 2 of scream, scream, scream.

I'd almost cave and "wear" him, but it would only last maybe 10 minutes before he wants out, and he weighs about 24 lbs. I don't think my lower back could take it.

Lest someone think I'm being mean, I really care about this little guy. He's just sooo needy, especially at the beginning of the week. By Friday, he's typically somewhat independent and happy. Come Monday, it starts all over again. Since he was gone a week, yesterday was a normal Monday x10.
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Shell 09:43 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by morgan24:
I agree! I can't believe how many kids have to have a sippy cup and snack in the car. Most of mine have a 10 minute ride or bringing food in the morning and the parents let me take it because it's easier. The other day it was chicken nuggets, she came in the door and hand them to me. I feel like the bad guy most of the time.
I find it hilarious that tons of today's kids have dvd players in the car for their 10 minute drive to daycare It's like- you really can't interact with your child for just a few minutes out of the day?!
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Blackcat31 09:47 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by dapb45:
Yep, children are coddled, but I think dcp want it that way....dcp want to be coddled too and I don't see that getting any better in the future....the "me" generation is taking over.....I can see major changes in clients now compared to when I first started FCC twenty plus years ago.
Parents will do WHATEVER it takes so their child doesn't cry.

I believe that is the root of all this kind of behavior.

That and they want their children to like them.
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Scout 09:50 AM 12-03-2013
I have a 4 yo that says she can not dress herself. She slept through nap without pants one day because I wouldn't help her until she tried herself. I had seen her do it before so I knew she was just being lazy!
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laceylmm 09:52 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
Ever feel bullied by a BABY?

That's how I feel here, honestly. At 5 months, he still cries waaaay to much (especially after being gone for a week last week). He want's to be "done" all the time. Play with me, bounce me, no, I'm hungry, no, I'm tired, no wait, hungry, no walk me around.

I don't play the game, but mom does, and it's day 2 of scream, scream, scream.

I'd almost cave and "wear" him, but it would only last maybe 10 minutes before he wants out, and he weighs about 24 lbs. I don't think my lower back could take it.
Unfortunately yes...I have the same five month old. Can I ask why you don't term? I'm right there as soon as MY backbone beefs up!
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harperluu 09:55 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by mrsmichelle:
I find it hilarious that tons of today's kids have dvd players in the car for their 10 minute drive to daycare It's like- you really can't interact with your child for just a few minutes out of the day?!
Not even interact for 10 minutes. How about if your child learns to sit there quietly and look out the window. We wonder why children have the attention span of a gnat. It's because adults are training them that way.
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laceylmm 09:59 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by harperluu:
Not even interact for 10 minutes. How about if your child learns to sit there quietly and look out the window. We wonder why children have the attention span of a gnat. It's because adults are training them that way.
Part of the reason why I think my dcb hates it here. He is a four year old gamer....
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countrymom 10:16 AM 12-03-2013
I have to agree. We went to church this weekend and I couldn't believe how many kids had to have some sort of electronic toy to play with. My niece is 5 and they had to bring her toys and food to entertain her for 45min.
My own kids were taught to behave, and my odd mentioned it too how they sat there and payed attention while all the kids around them were playing with electronics.
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laceylmm 10:23 AM 12-03-2013
I definitely have more of a cut the crap type attitude...which some days just really doesn't translate well with the let me do whatever I want crowd.
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laceylmm 10:26 AM 12-03-2013
Or like with my own kids they know by a certain look that they need shape up...today's version of that is I'm going to ask you 20x to 'please stop'
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NeedaVaca 10:29 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by mrsmichelle:
I find it hilarious that tons of today's kids have dvd players in the car for their 10 minute drive to daycare It's like- you really can't interact with your child for just a few minutes out of the day?!
My kids are 6 and 10 and I still won't get a DVD player for the car! We TALK Sometimes I use the time to quiz them for school too, it's useful quality time if you want it to be!
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Heidi 10:32 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by laceylmm:
Unfortunately yes...I have the same five month old. Can I ask why you don't term? I'm right there as soon as MY backbone beefs up!
Because mom is a close friend, and I was her birth coach, and because I don't trust anyone else with him. He's so intense sometimes, I'd fear someone not so bonded with him would hurt him.

I have coping strategies, and I know when I need to call them in. Phone a friend, put him in the other room safely for a few minutes, etc.

Oh, and I haven't gotten a dc call in months. Any new kids would most likely be a new, newborn who could be just as intense.

What mom is doing isn't wrong. It's just not what happens in group care, and doesn't really fit my philosophy. I promote independence, even in infants. I believe them to be competent, and I know he's capable of it. I see it every Friday.
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TwinKristi 10:34 AM 12-03-2013
Yep I'm the meany too! I don't like the "but I don't want to" response I get from 3-4yr olds and the copycat behavior from their younger sibling! I have one boy who at 22mos walks in the door demanding water, crackers, snacks, etc. His first sentance was "I want..." I want water, I want cracker, I want peanut butter... Never a please, thank you... No patience either. Just demand and persist until you get it because that's what works at home. Temper tantrums, demands, sassy talk... Drives me nuts!
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williams2008 10:36 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Parents will do WHATEVER it takes so their child doesn't cry.

I believe that is the root of all this kind of behavior.

That and they want their children to like them.
I totally agree with this.
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laceylmm 10:48 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
Because mom is a close friend, and I was her birth coach, and because I don't trust anyone else with him. He's so intense sometimes, I'd fear someone not so bonded with him would hurt him.

I have coping strategies, and I know when I need to call them in. Phone a friend, put him in the other room safely for a few minutes, etc.

Oh, and I haven't gotten a dc call in months. Any new kids would most likely be a new, newborn who could be just as intense.

What mom is doing isn't wrong. It's just not what happens in group care, and doesn't really fit my philosophy. I promote independence, even in infants. I believe them to be competent, and I know he's capable of it. I see it every Friday.
lol yup every Friday!

And I agree it's not a bad thing that the parents hold all te time...it just peanut translate well to group care.

My biggest struggle is that I can't be confined to the carpet or rocking chair all day to keep her happy. It's not the necessarily the constant holding that drives me crazy it's that nothing else gets done...oh ya the screaming that too! lol
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Maria2013 10:55 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Great Beginnings:
While I was growing up an adult would respond by saying... "I'll give you something to cry about or I'll give you some more reasons not to like my house" Lol

Now days the so called appropriate response is "So and so. I'm sorry I had to ask you to clean up but That is not nice and hurts my feelings but yay you are using big boy words to express how you feel"
I can't stand how we are suppose to talk to kids now days: please use your "inside voice"? "walking feet"? seems way harder to grasp than "no running inside" or no screaming inside ...I wonder who came up with this bs
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Blackcat31 11:04 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Maria2013:
I can't stand how we are suppose to talk to kids now days: please use your "inside voice"? "walking feet"? seems way harder to grasp than "no running inside" or no screaming inside ...I wonder who came up with this bs
positive reinforcement. they don't want them to hear any negative words.

Which is really kind of funny because when you have a child under age 5, the MOST used word is "No!"

Also I have issue with the over explaining they want us (adults) to do now days.

I don't really need to explain to a 3 yr old why I want him to stop throwing stuff....

...."Because I said so."

My mom/dad used that line ALL the time when I was growing up....I don't think I ever considered asking why or requiring a reason.
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nannyde 11:10 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by dapb45:
Yep, children are coddled, but I think dcp want it that way....dcp want to be coddled too and I don't see that getting any better in the future....the "me" generation is taking over.....I can see major changes in clients now compared to when I first started FCC twenty plus years ago.
Me too! Huge difference.
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nannyde 11:14 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Parents will do WHATEVER it takes so their child doesn't cry.

I believe that is the root of all this kind of behavior.

That and they want their children to like them.
I don't see the child liking the parent thing. I'm always curious when I hear this. What do babies, toddlers... pre talking kids do that the parent believes is an affirmation that their child likes them?
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Maria2013 11:14 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
positive reinforcement. they don't want them to hear any negative words.

Which is really kind of funny because when you have a child under age 5, the MOST used word is "No!"
you're right
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TwinKristi 11:17 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Maria2013:
I can't stand how we are suppose to talk to kids now days: please use your "inside voice"? "walking feet"? seems way harder to grasp than "no running inside" or no screaming inside ...I wonder who came up with this bs
We had to do this at my old job at the gym childcare. We had to try everything else besides no! Please use your walking feet, gentle hands, nice words, etc etc! Ick! I try to do it with the kids learning to talk so I don't have to say NO 100x a day only to have them learn NO right back! LOL my youngest DS learned no and mine from the other DCB who learned it from his 3yr old sister. He didn't need to ever say it here and when we did say no it was for a good reason and he knew that. Now it's just a word they all yell at each other! Ugh!
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Annalee 11:19 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
positive reinforcement. they don't want them to hear any negative words.

Which is really kind of funny because when you have a child under age 5, the MOST used word is "No!"

Also I have issue with the over explaining they want us (adults) to do now days.

I don't really need to explain to a 3 yr old why I want him to stop throwing stuff....

...."Because I said so."

My mom/dad used that line ALL the time when I was growing up....I don't think I ever considered asking why or requiring a reason.
I was raised the same way, however FCC has taught through the "new" standards of early childhood that we MUST use words ourselves and teach the children to use words back. I feel we are teaching children that they can reason their way out of anything. In turn, NO ONE is accountable anymore. It is always someone else's fault. Where in my days of growing up, children were considered respectful when following their parents (or any other adult) requests/demands. And we are still connected with our families today...I wonder what will happen to this generation of youngsters that are allowed to "run the system"...
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melilley 11:22 AM 12-03-2013
In every chdv class that I took, we had to talk to the kids like that. I get it to a point, but sometimes it's just too much and the kids don't pay attention after you go on and on...

You also aren't supposed to tell them how they are feeling, that you like the bear that they drew, instead, you see that they used the color brown, aren't supposed to say "good job" etc....
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Angelsj 11:22 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Scout:
I have a 4 yo that says she can not dress herself. She slept through nap without pants one day because I wouldn't help her until she tried herself. I had seen her do it before so I knew she was just being lazy!
Yep, I feel your pain. I have a 4.5 yo girl that is dressed by her parents BEFORE getting her out of bed...sigh. She can do it; she just puts up so much fuss for them that they don't bother. Sad.
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melilley 11:26 AM 12-03-2013
When I worked at a center, we were going through the process of getting NECPA accredited. We were not allowed to have the kids say please and thank you when they were eating. Their reasoning was that you did family style dining and that's not what families do (something along those lines)?! I thought it was so odd.
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Angelsj 11:26 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by melilley:
In every chdv class that I took, we had to talk to the kids like that. I get it to a point, but sometimes it's just too much and the kids don't pay attention after you go on and on...

You also aren't supposed to tell them how they are feeling, that you like the bear that they drew, instead, you see that they used the color brown, aren't supposed to say "good job" etc....
I had one cdev teacher tell me, "If your voice isn't tired at the end of the day, you aren't engaging them enough." Seriously?
Sorry, sister. No. I tell them, "Go play with your friends, or the toys." No wonder we have an entire generation that feels they need someone entertaining them all the time.
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Annalee 11:29 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
No wonder we have an entire generation that feels they need someone entertaining them all the time.

You hit the nail on the head with this statement!
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melilley 11:32 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by dapb45:
You hit the nail on the head with this statement!

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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:36 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Parents will do WHATEVER it takes so their child doesn't cry.

I believe that is the root of all this kind of behavior.

That and they want their children to like them.
Exactly. I once corrected a child who was attempting to be destructive to my property. He began crying and the Dad picked him up, looked horrified, and said, "It's okay. We will go home and make it better." Whaaa?
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nannyde 11:42 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by laceylmm:
Part of the reason why I think my dcb hates it here. He is a four year old gamer....
You will soon see infant gamers. I'm not kidding. We won't recognize it or confuse it with a constantly crying baby who wants hold me, walk me, rock me.... but it will come soon.

I was watching a hoarders episode and at the end of the show the hoarders daughter brings her infant to see grandpa and the clean house. She brought a pack n play for the baby and put the baby in it with a smart phone.

The infant was about nine months old.

As soon as they can tap screen they are going to be on screen.
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Annalee 11:46 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
You will soon see infant gamers. I'm not kidding. We won't recognize it or confuse it with a constantly crying baby who wants hold me, walk me, rock me.... but it will come soon.

I was watching a hoarders episode and at the end of the show the hoarders daughter brings her infant to see grandpa and the clean house. She brought a pack n play for the baby and put the baby in it with a smart phone.

The infant was about nine months old.

As soon as they can tap screen they are going to be on screen.
I totally agree! Not only will it be with smartphones, ipods, ipads, ds, xbox, it will be when the common core curriculum keeps trickling down to infants....it has already moved down to 4 yr olds....just a matter of time. SAD FUTURE AHEAD!!!!
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Maria2013 11:48 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by melilley:
When I worked at a center, we were going through the process of getting NECPA accredited. We were not allowed to have the kids say please and thank you when they were eating. Their reasoning was that you did family style dining and that's not what families do (something along those lines)?! I thought it was so odd.
That is the first thing I noticed when my very well mannered oldest son started school. within a few weeks I had to remind him to say please and thank you because no one in school did...granted those are just words, but words are a direct line to feelings and to me a child that say please and thank you is automatically more aware of others and their feelings
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countrymom 11:50 AM 12-03-2013
but its not only us anymore, its teachers who play this game too. Last year ds (he's 11 now) had this man teacher. If you didn't do your homework, then that was fine. If you forgot something, then it was fine. This teacher never ever yelled (my 13 yr old dd had him too) she once said that he wants to be everyones friend (he tells them at the beginning of the school year) thats why he doesn't yell and lets kids get away with crap

well this years teacher is awesome (both my girls had her) she don't put up with any crap. What a huge adjustment it is for some kids. Ds comes home and tells me how the same people don't get their work done, she doesn't take excuses and that she yells alot. I've now asked him if he calls her "mom" lol!!!! but I will say (and my girls) that they learned how to manage their time, get things done and be at your best behavior all the time.
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melilley 11:54 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
You will soon see infant gamers. I'm not kidding. We won't recognize it or confuse it with a constantly crying baby who wants hold me, walk me, rock me.... but it will come soon.

I was watching a hoarders episode and at the end of the show the hoarders daughter brings her infant to see grandpa and the clean house. She brought a pack n play for the baby and put the baby in it with a smart phone.

The infant was about nine months old.

As soon as they can tap screen they are going to be on screen.
They have apps for infants! My sister showed me one that when you shake the phone it sounds like a rattle or if you tap an animal or something playful on the screen, the animal/object will do something in response. It's kind of cute, but I agree, infant gamers will be on the move!
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melilley 11:56 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by countrymom:
well this years teacher is awesome (both my girls had her) she don't put up with any crap. What a huge adjustment it is for some kids. Ds comes home and tells me how the same people don't get their work done, she doesn't take excuses and that she yells alot. I've now asked him if he calls her "mom" lol!!!! but I will say (and my girls) that they learned how to manage their time, get things done and be at your best behavior all the time.
This reminds me of my Jr. High band teacher. She was so strict and kids were nervous to be around her, but she was greatly respected! I remember her to this day, but do not remember a lot of my other old teachers.
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melilley 11:57 AM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Maria2013:
That is the first thing I noticed when my very well mannered oldest son started school. within a few weeks I had to remind him to say please and thank you because no one in school did...granted those are just words, but words are a direct line to feelings and to me a child that say please and thank you is automatically more aware of others and their feelings
I agree. Believe me, when they told us to not make them say that, there was an uproar and everyone was upset.
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My3cents 12:03 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Parents will do WHATEVER it takes so their child doesn't cry.

I believe that is the root of all this kind of behavior.

That and they want their children to like them.
I agree with this too, but....Who doesn't want their children to like them? If you don't do as a parent it will be done in school or elsewhere for some of the things mentioned, or your child will gravitate towards those that do do, and that is not always the best either. I go to my old stand by and say there needs to be balance. You take a bus from one city to another and they play dvd movies??? Society has pushed us towards immediate gratification. You go to the grocery store and people get mad if they have three people ahead of them and have to wait their turn

I don't have the answers but feel the same way-
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JoseyJo 12:13 PM 12-03-2013
U g g! Believe me, when these regulations come to home daycare in my state I will no longer be a daycare provider! Can't have children say please and thank you, can't say no, etc etc. Not doing it!
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dingledine 12:29 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
Yep, I feel your pain. I have a 4.5 yo girl that is dressed by her parents BEFORE getting her out of bed...sigh. She can do it; she just puts up so much fuss for them that they don't bother. Sad.
Crazy. My 4.5 dresses herself. Not only that, she has taken to laying her wardrobe out the night before. I actually think this is great, as when she starts K next year, there will be no issues.
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Blackcat31 01:25 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
What do babies, toddlers... pre talking kids do that the parent believes is an affirmation that their child likes them?
They don't cry.

Originally Posted by nannyde:
I don't see the child liking the parent thing. I'm always curious when I hear this.
I see it, almost every.single.day.

It's the number one answer I get from my parents word for word when I ask why they are so permissive or "afraid" to be the bad guy.
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Sunchimes 01:30 PM 12-03-2013
I don't know if I saw this here or on my timeline.

http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-I...baby+seat+ipad

It's a bouncy seat with a holder for an ipad.

There is also a potty chair with an ipad holder.

Since I'm not licensed, I don't have to follow the "children are delicate" rules. I tell them to stop screaming, stop hitting, slow down, hurry up, whatever needs said. I'm nice about it, but I don't beat around the bush. No one is scarred yet and moms all approve.


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Leanna 02:38 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Sunchimes:
I don't know if I saw this here or on my timeline.

http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-I...baby+seat+ipad

It's a bouncy seat with a holder for an ipad.

There is also a potty chair with an ipad holder.

Since I'm not licensed, I don't have to follow the "children are delicate" rules. I tell them to stop screaming, stop hitting, slow down, hurry up, whatever needs said. I'm nice about it, but I don't beat around the bush. No one is scarred yet and moms all approve.

I literally got tears in my eyes when I saw this pic.

Ever seen WALLE...where the people are floating around on the hover-chairs with a screen in front of their face?
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daycarediva 02:54 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
You will soon see infant gamers. I'm not kidding. We won't recognize it or confuse it with a constantly crying baby who wants hold me, walk me, rock me.... but it will come soon.

I was watching a hoarders episode and at the end of the show the hoarders daughter brings her infant to see grandpa and the clean house. She brought a pack n play for the baby and put the baby in it with a smart phone.

The infant was about nine months old.

As soon as they can tap screen they are going to be on screen.
http://www.fisher-price.com/en_US/br...products/78030

That's already available! You don't even have to interact with your infant! YAY!

I have TWO 3.5 year olds who are ADDICTED to screens. I am not trying to be exaggerative. It's all they think about, talk about and do at home. It's all they think about and talk about here. The only pretend games they have (and I use pretend loosely) is holding a toy up and pretending to play their video games. It DISGUSTS ME. They both have their own ipads and ipods, tvs in room, sleep with tvs on.

They can't sit for a story, or circle time, or know a SINGLE letter, COLOR, SHAPE, NUMBER, they don't know nursery rhymes and BOTH watch HORRIBLE things and play HORRIBLE games. I have voiced my concerns over one saying "YOU ARE A NAZI!" (heard it from Nazi Zombies video game, I asked DCD----who laughed)

It's no wonder I am advertising like crazy to get new clients.
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nannyde 04:05 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Sunchimes:
I don't know if I saw this here or on my timeline.

http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-I...baby+seat+ipad

It's a bouncy seat with a holder for an ipad.

There is also a potty chair with an ipad holder.

Since I'm not licensed, I don't have to follow the "children are delicate" rules. I tell them to stop screaming, stop hitting, slow down, hurry up, whatever needs said. I'm nice about it, but I don't beat around the bush. No one is scarred yet and moms all approve.

Sigh but the reviews are hysterical
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nannyde 04:08 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
http://www.fisher-price.com/en_US/br...products/78030

That's already available! You don't even have to interact with your infant! YAY!

I have TWO 3.5 year olds who are ADDICTED to screens. I am not trying to be exaggerative. It's all they think about, talk about and do at home. It's all they think about and talk about here. The only pretend games they have (and I use pretend loosely) is holding a toy up and pretending to play their video games. It DISGUSTS ME. They both have their own ipads and ipods, tvs in room, sleep with tvs on.

They can't sit for a story, or circle time, or know a SINGLE letter, COLOR, SHAPE, NUMBER, they don't know nursery rhymes and BOTH watch HORRIBLE things and play HORRIBLE games. I have voiced my concerns over one saying "YOU ARE A NAZI!" (heard it from Nazi Zombies video game, I asked DCD----who laughed)

It's no wonder I am advertising like crazy to get new clients.
Good luck finding kids who aren't screen addicted.
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melilley 04:14 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
Sigh but the reviews are hysterical
I had to read them, they are so funny! I'm glad most people see what a terrible product this is!
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Bookworm 06:20 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by Sunchimes:
I don't know if I saw this here or on my timeline.

http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-I...baby+seat+ipad

It's a bouncy seat with a holder for an ipad.

There is also a potty chair with an ipad holder.

Since I'm not licensed, I don't have to follow the "children are delicate" rules. I tell them to stop screaming, stop hitting, slow down, hurry up, whatever needs said. I'm nice about it, but I don't beat around the bush. No one is scarred yet and moms all approve.

This is crazy as hell. How triflin' do have to be to just plop your baby in front of an iPad so you don't have to be bothered with him/her.
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Angelsj 06:34 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by dingledine:
Crazy. My 4.5 dresses herself. Not only that, she has taken to laying her wardrobe out the night before. I actually think this is great, as when she starts K next year, there will be no issues.
Sigh. I talked to this mom not that long ago. I mentioned her scholastic skills were great, but her self help skills needed a lot of work. They might be on board with her starting K in academics, but not being able to dress herself might be holding her back.
Her reply? "They can't keep her out of K. That would be discrimination."
O.M.G. So you are too lazy to parent, and if anyone calls you on it, you are going to cry discrimination???? Ugh.
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Stepping 06:35 PM 12-03-2013
Originally Posted by melilley:
When I worked at a center, we were going through the process of getting NECPA accredited. We were not allowed to have the kids say please and thank you when they were eating. Their reasoning was that you did family style dining and that's not what families do (something along those lines)?! I thought it was so odd.
What? That doesn't make any sense! We were always told to be polite to each other at home and my DS says please and thank you every time. Manners cost nothing!
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Blackcat31 06:24 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
Sigh. I talked to this mom not that long ago. I mentioned her scholastic skills were great, but her self help skills needed a lot of work. They might be on board with her starting K in academics, but not being able to dress herself might be holding her back.
Her reply? "They can't keep her out of K. That would be discrimination."
O.M.G. So you are too lazy to parent, and if anyone calls you on it, you are going to cry discrimination???? Ugh.
I have a similar situation/parent. Child is 4.3

Child has ZERO self-help skills and refuses to be verbal on several occasions throughout the day, especially when I am not babying them.

Mom asked me the other day when I plan on starting to teach reading. I about died laughing.

I just said "Right after you teach him to dress/undress on their own"

Mom said, "Yeah but they don't need those skills in Kindergarten"
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melilley 06:59 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by Stepping:
What? That doesn't make any sense! We were always told to be polite to each other at home and my DS says please and thank you every time. Manners cost nothing!
I know, it was absurd. Actually I think their reasoning was that children shouldn't have to ask for food. or something like that. I can't remember the actual reason, but it was unbelievable!
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mamac 07:31 AM 12-04-2013
I took my ds to the McDonald's playplace last week and there was a 4-1/2 year old girl there that absolutely refused to climb the first two platforms by herself. She would scream and demand that her grandmother climb up and lift her precious little behind up the two levels to the slide. I felt so bad for the grandmother. She was much too old to be climbing and crawling through there. I even got fed up and tried "teaching" the girl to do it herself, even my 3yo ds tried helping her, but all she did was throw a fit. Mind you, this girl was tall enough to almost sit down on the platform from a standing position so she was definitely able to climb it. She just didn't want to. And poor grandma just kept giving in to her instead of telling her to do it herself. Her excuse was the girl's parents worked all day and everyone does what it takes to make her happy.
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MNMum 07:43 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
You will soon see infant gamers. I'm not kidding. We won't recognize it or confuse it with a constantly crying baby who wants hold me, walk me, rock me.... but it will come soon.

I was watching a hoarders episode and at the end of the show the hoarders daughter brings her infant to see grandpa and the clean house. She brought a pack n play for the baby and put the baby in it with a smart phone.

The infant was about nine months old.

As soon as they can tap screen they are going to be on screen.
I saw this just yesterday. We were at the Mall of America - it is Christmas season - there is sooo much to look at, probably actually overstimulating for the kids. In any case, I saw about a 2 yo reclining in stroller with her pacifier, loudly playing home videos over and over on her mothers Iphone.
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AcornMama 08:17 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by countrymom:
well this years teacher is awesome (both my girls had her) she don't put up with any crap. What a huge adjustment it is for some kids. Ds comes home and tells me how the same people don't get their work done, she doesn't take excuses and that she yells alot. I've now asked him if he calls her "mom" lol!!!! but I will say (and my girls) that they learned how to manage their time, get things done and be at your best behavior all the time.
I was this teacher, only I was teaching highschoolers. I was young, right out of college. I was reprimanded by administrators for assigning homework and having unreasonable expectations.

So there I was, trying to teach high school literature, but couldn't assign any at home reading. We had to read EVERYTHING in class. I was constantly in trouble for being too harsh with grading, giving too many failing grades, even when I'd read the entire test to the class the day before as "review day" and allow them to bring in a sheet of notes. Got to the point I'd let them turn in a sheet of notes for bonus points on the test. My students still wouldn't study or prepare notes. They just sat in class and failed.

This was 20 years ago. I can't imagine what it's like today at that school.

I struggled through two miserable years. Then I became a stay-at-home mom. And homeschooled my kids.
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Angelsj 08:31 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I have a similar situation/parent. Child is 4.3

Child has ZERO self-help skills and refuses to be verbal on several occasions throughout the day, especially when I am not babying them.

Mom asked me the other day when I plan on starting to teach reading. I about died laughing.

I just said "Right after you teach him to dress/undress on their own"

Mom said, "Yeah but they don't need those skills in Kindergarten"
Yes, because every K teacher wants to spend their day helping 20 5 year olds get their clothes/coats/shoes on all day!! But HER child is "special" Sigh...
The thing is, if you tried to exclude her child from anything because she is so "special" she would be throwing a hissy fit. I feel for K teachers these days.
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MrsSteinel'sHouse 09:09 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by laceylmm:
This boy just said he doesn't like my stupid house...sorry I'll be sure to not make you clean up after yourself again.
Oh I get this all the time from one of my 4 yr olds... she just gets nasty when she is mad (so at least once a day) And I get the litany from her.. I want my mom! I want to go home! I don't like your house! You're mean! You don't have anything fun! I wan my mom! etc etc etc
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Play Care 09:21 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by MrsSteinel'sHouse:
Oh I get this all the time from one of my 4 yr olds... she just gets nasty when she is mad (so at least once a day) And I get the litany from her.. I want my mom! I want to go home! I don't like your house! You're mean! You don't have anything fun! I wan my mom! etc etc etc
Yesterday I had the kids clean up the mess *they* made in the yard before we came inside. They complained the entire time, cried for their parents, told me they didn't like it here, they weren't the ones who took out the toys, etc. etc. etc. So I finally get them to clean up, we come inside and they start DEMANDING to watch a show!!!!! They were beyond angry when I put them up at the table with some paper and crayons instead.
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Angelsj 09:21 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by MrsSteinel'sHouse:
Oh I get this all the time from one of my 4 yr olds... she just gets nasty when she is mad (so at least once a day) And I get the litany from her.. I want my mom! I want to go home! I don't like your house! You're mean! You don't have anything fun! I wan my mom! etc etc etc
When one starts this, I just go back... "I want your mom too!" "I don't get to do ANYTHING fun!!" "You're being mean!" etc...lol
They either stop, or end up laughing at me.
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daycarediva 10:29 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
Yes, because every K teacher wants to spend their day helping 20 5 year olds get their clothes/coats/shoes on all day!! But HER child is "special" Sigh...
The thing is, if you tried to exclude her child from anything because she is so "special" she would be throwing a hissy fit. I feel for K teachers these days.
My ds's K teacher included her OWN social skills/self help skills GRADES with their report cards!!!!!!!!! At p/t conference we went over ds's (all fine, he can tie his shoes) There are kids in his K class NOT potty trained, who refuse to put their work in their folder themselves and will cry, who need to be wiped in the restroom, or can't pull pants up/down. She said the school is taking notice and now every kid with these type of issues will need a developmental evaluation and an IEP to CATCH UP. Next year, kids entering K not potty trained will have to go straight to special education as the aides there are trained/allowed to change pullups! What a reality check for some parents!

Originally Posted by Angelsj:
When one starts this, I just go back... "I want your mom too!" "I don't get to do ANYTHING fun!!" "You're being mean!" etc...lol
They either stop, or end up laughing at me.

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daycarediva 10:35 AM 12-04-2013
I am reading the 5 star reviews for the bouncy seat. I'm not sure if they are sarcastic or serious. I HOPE they aren't serious!

Originally Posted by :
My baby constantly craves attention and cries. This product has helped me curb his neediness.

Here's a hint: I made a video of myself acting interested in my baby, cooing, that sort of stuff. It took me a half hour to make but now I can play it for baby Stanley on a loop on my tablet while he sits in his chair. Fools him every time!

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countrymom 10:41 AM 12-04-2013
my ds is in grade 6 and he still has kids in his class who cry when they have to do work or didn't hand in their homework (his teacher is mean but fair) he tells me all the time how some kids in the class are all about themselves, kids now don't even ask for permission they just tell you what they want.
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Play Care 10:43 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
My ds's K teacher included her OWN social skills/self help skills GRADES with their report cards!!!!!!!!! At p/t conference we went over ds's (all fine, he can tie his shoes) There are kids in his K class NOT potty trained, who refuse to put their work in their folder themselves and will cry, who need to be wiped in the restroom, or can't pull pants up/down. She said the school is taking notice and now every kid with these type of issues will need a developmental evaluation and an IEP to CATCH UP. Next year, kids entering K not potty trained will have to go straight to special education as the aides there are trained/allowed to change pullups! What a reality check for some parents!

A district near me ticked some K parents off when it refused to allow their 5 year old children to attend K anymore. Mostly behavioral issues. But NYS the legal age for having to attend school is 6, and boy were these parents surprised The principal told them "Your child isn't able to be safe in school so we'll see him next year when he's 6"
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daycarediva 10:55 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by countrymom:
my ds is in grade 6 and he still has kids in his class who cry when they have to do work or didn't hand in their homework (his teacher is mean but fair) he tells me all the time how some kids in the class are all about themselves, kids now don't even ask for permission they just tell you what they want.
My dd/9th grade said a kid got up from his seat in honors algebra, and was leaving the classroom. When the teacher tried to stop him to ask him where he was going he said "You're violating my constitutional right to take a s***. I don't have to ask permission. Write me up and my parents will sue your a$$."

He didn't get detention. I think the teacher was afraid of the backlash. My dd was like
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daycarediva 10:57 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by Play Care:
A district near me ticked some K parents off when it refused to allow their 5 year old children to attend K anymore. Mostly behavioral issues. But NYS the legal age for having to attend school is 6, and boy were these parents surprised The principal told them "Your child isn't able to be safe in school so we'll see him next year when he's 6"
That would be awesome for my ds's teacher! I would bet it's coming down to that. There was a riot in another K classroom in his school. None of the kids were listening so the teacher moved their names for making bad choices and then the kids starting to march around yelling "WE MAKE BAD CHOICES" over and over. They made the teacher cry!
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CedarCreek 10:58 AM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
My dd/9th grade said a kid got up from his seat in honors algebra, and was leaving the classroom. When the teacher tried to stop him to ask him where he was going he said "You're violating my constitutional right to take a s***. I don't have to ask permission. Write me up and my parents will sue your a$$."

He didn't get detention. I think the teacher was afraid of the backlash. My dd was like
That is insane!!!!
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daycarediva 11:02 AM 12-04-2013
I live in a BIG yuppy area. I hate to say it, but as far as I have experienced, the parents with the most money make the worst parenting decisions. They just throw money (toys, electronics, nannies, tutors, lots of extracurricular activities) at their kids to make up for their lack of involvement. 75% of my client base are high level executive, white collar, mcmansion, 2-3 brand new car people. If I see a porshe, a lexus or a bmw pull up in my driveway for the next interview, I'm locking the door.
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cheerfuldom 11:24 AM 12-04-2013
I was in school to become a teacher but honestly, do not want to work with the parents so I changed majors. I enjoy working with children although it is a challenge but really, parents are the ones that drive ya nuts. Two or three "high needs" parents in a K class is enough to ruin anyone's year.
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Maria2013 11:47 AM 12-04-2013
That image of the bouncer with a screen really depresses me, I don't even wanna think what kids will be like 15yrs from now
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Angelsj 10:06 PM 12-04-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
My dd/9th grade said a kid got up from his seat in honors algebra, and was leaving the classroom. When the teacher tried to stop him to ask him where he was going he said "You're violating my constitutional right to take a s***. I don't have to ask permission. Write me up and my parents will sue your a$$."

He didn't get detention. I think the teacher was afraid of the backlash. My dd was like
I would have said," You show me in the constitution where you have a right to take a ****, and I will gladly let you go. Until then, do not speak to me that way, and sit down!"
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Josiegirl 03:17 AM 12-05-2013
Wow, some of these stories are truly sad and shocking.
Hence, why there are so many entitled adults these days. But what can we do as providers, to shift the focus back to helping children learn compassion, thoughtfulness, self-help skills, appreciation, etc.? In other words, to be a decent human being that people will want to be friends with??
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Maria2013 05:40 AM 12-05-2013
Originally Posted by Josiegirl:
what can we do as providers, to shift the focus back to helping children learn compassion, thoughtfulness, self-help skills, appreciation, etc.? In other words, to be a decent human being that people will want to be friends with??
personally I don't really care what they think the proper way to talk to kids is, I still direct my kids to good manners, kindness and and compassion, I know they will lose most of it when they start school but I like to believe that they will retain at least a spark of decency because of my guidance
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Heidi 06:00 AM 12-05-2013
The argument has become totally for academics. Somewhere, somehow, someone decided that the problem is that our (American) children don't score well enough on the PISA (see my other post). Apparently, this is the most important way to show our value as a nation? How many academics we can shove down their throats?

I'm not saying education isn't important. But, there are many types of education, and social skills are high in ranking in my book. Actually, they are the foundation for so much more.

We have hungry children. THAT we should be embarrassed about. We have children who live in neighborhoods that are infested with gangs, or in rural areas where a picture book is a luxury. THAT we should be embarrassed about. We lead the world in crappy "reality" T.V. shows where fake, overindulged, idiotic people get attention and money for their stupidity while other people can't feed their kids, THAT we should be embarrassed about. The high-school drop out rate is still 25% (and that's an improvement), THAT we should be embarrassed about. Deal with those things, and I bet our PISA "scores" improve.
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Maria2013 06:18 AM 12-05-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:


We have hungry children. THAT we should be embarrassed about. We have children who live in neighborhoods that are infested with gangs, or in rural areas where a picture book is a luxury. THAT we should be embarrassed about. We lead the world in crappy "reality" T.V. shows where fake, overindulged, idiotic people get attention and money for their stupidity while other people can't feed their kids, THAT we should be embarrassed about. The high-school drop out rate is still 25% (and that's an improvement), THAT we should be embarrassed about. Deal with those things, and I bet our PISA "scores" improve.
couldn't have said it better
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originalkat 03:18 PM 12-05-2013
Originally Posted by Great Beginnings:
While I was growing up an adult would respond by saying... "I'll give you something to cry about or I'll give you some more reasons not to like my house" Lol

Now days the so called appropriate response is "So and so. I'm sorry I had to ask you to clean up but That is not nice and hurts my feelings but yay you are using big boy words to express how you feel"
YEP!! Im all for the old school way!
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Jack Sprat 06:27 PM 12-05-2013
Originally Posted by mrsmichelle:
I find it hilarious that tons of today's kids have dvd players in the car for their 10 minute drive to daycare It's like- you really can't interact with your child for just a few minutes out of the day?!
This drives me INSANE! Our kids don't have anything but book and crayons in the car for 5 hour trips. And shockingly they survive and are happy.
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TwinKristi 06:38 PM 12-05-2013
Originally Posted by Lil Monkey:
This drives me INSANE! Our kids don't have anything but book and crayons in the car for 5 hour trips. And shockingly they survive and are happy.
A friend of mine has a 4 and 2yr old and can't drive more than an hour without stopping and letting them play at a park or something. They scream and cry until they do. They cry because they know if they cry long enough they will stop so they've set this pattern up themselves. I can't imagine! LOL I find that funny because I drove 9hrs with 6 kids ranging from 16 to 14 mos making only 2 stops both for gas! We got out to use the bathroom, change diaper and get lunch while we were at it to cut down on stops.
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Unregistered 07:26 PM 12-05-2013
Originally Posted by AcornMama:
I was this teacher, only I was teaching highschoolers. I was young, right out of college. I was reprimanded by administrators for assigning homework and having unreasonable expectations.

So there I was, trying to teach high school literature, but couldn't assign any at home reading. We had to read EVERYTHING in class. I was constantly in trouble for being too harsh with grading, giving too many failing grades, even when I'd read the entire test to the class the day before as "review day" and allow them to bring in a sheet of notes. Got to the point I'd let them turn in a sheet of notes for bonus points on the test. My students still wouldn't study or prepare notes. They just sat in class and failed.

This was 20 years ago. I can't imagine what it's like today at that school.

I struggled through two miserable years. Then I became a stay-at-home mom. And homeschooled my kids.
That is nuts. I have a high school freshman, who has hours of homework per night. I literally mean hours. 75 algebra problems, memorize where all the continent's are. Read the Homers and annotate 4 chapters. Most of the classes are pre A P, and all the kids in those classes are up until 11 doing homework. We definitely don`t. live in your school district.
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Unregistered 03:31 PM 12-07-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
You will soon see infant gamers. I'm not kidding. We won't recognize it or confuse it with a constantly crying baby who wants hold me, walk me, rock me.... but it will come soon.

I was watching a hoarders episode and at the end of the show the hoarders daughter brings her infant to see grandpa and the clean house. She brought a pack n play for the baby and put the baby in it with a smart phone.

The infant was about nine months old.

As soon as they can tap screen they are going to be on screen.
No lie. Check this out and I don't doubt people would get it for their babies!!!


http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/ipad...ry?id=21111252
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BABYLUVER2 03:58 PM 12-07-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
The argument has become totally for academics. Somewhere, somehow, someone decided that the problem is that our (American) children don't score well enough on the PISA (see my other post). Apparently, this is the most important way to show our value as a nation? How many academics we can shove down their throats?

I'm not saying education isn't important. But, there are many types of education, and social skills are high in ranking in my book. Actually, they are the foundation for so much more.

We have hungry children. THAT we should be embarrassed about. We have children who live in neighborhoods that are infested with gangs, or in rural areas where a picture book is a luxury. THAT we should be embarrassed about. We lead the world in crappy "reality" T.V. shows where fake, overindulged, idiotic people get attention and money for their stupidity while other people can't feed their kids, THAT we should be embarrassed about. The high-school drop out rate is still 25% (and that's an improvement), THAT we should be embarrassed about. Deal with those things, and I bet our PISA "scores" improve.

OMG THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT! I have always thought people think they're entitled to EVERYTHING all the time when they want and have no regard to anyone else....but I forgot to ever address the truth you have totally written out so eloquently above!!!!


SO TRUE and thank you for saying what I didn't!
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BABYLUVER2 04:13 PM 12-07-2013
Originally Posted by Lil Monkey:
This drives me INSANE! Our kids don't have anything but book and crayons in the car for 5 hour trips. And shockingly they survive and are happy.
I'll admit I thought the 2 DVD players in the new car I just got was weird! I paid so little for it, it was just a benefit. The kids have watched it once and it was on a 45min trip to gma/gpa when they were sick, as a treat.
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