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My Lil' Monkeys 03:24 AM 03-11-2011
I have a dcd that showed up this morning for drop off with his SA and informed me that this child doesn't like milk or peanut butter. Now, I've had this child for 3 months and only comes on Fridays. The SA has told me this before but I've informed her that she has to have a small amount of milk and once that's gone she can have water and I haven't given her peanut butter.

As apart of the food program, I have to serve milk. What if this child just doesn't like it.. do I still have to serve it to her? Now, I feel like I have to make a special menu on Fridays just because she doesn't like it certain things.

Oh, and when I explained that as apart of the Food Program I have to serve milk to dad, he got upset and rolled his eyes.
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melskids 03:30 AM 03-11-2011
from my understanding, you have to at least offer it. i would put the least amount you have to offer, (i think its 1 cup for SA) and if the child doesnt want it, so be it. (i dont force them to eat anything) but the only other choice would be water. definetely not juices or any other special treatment
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My Lil' Monkeys 03:39 AM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by melskids:
from my understanding, you have to at least offer it. i would put the least amount you have to offer, (i think its 1 cup for SA) and if the child doesnt want it, so be it. (i dont force them to eat anything) but the only other choice would be water. definetely not juices or any other special treatment
I do give her a tiny amount and then water... which I have covered with her each time she is here. Now, she has dcd coming in and telling me that she doesn't like it... because I guess if he says it, then I must stop?
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melskids 04:19 AM 03-11-2011
yeah....OK

too bad...so sad
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heyhun77 04:57 AM 03-11-2011
You just have to offer the foods, including milk, to all children in care. I put our drinks out in a small pitcher and they pour their own. By having it on the table you are offering it. No need to fight the battle that's probably not worth it for one day a week. As for the rest of the things the child doesn't like, I put our food out on the table family style to offer it to the children and they choose what they are eating. My rule is that if they put it on their plates that they should eat it but they can eat as much as they want so they could take a couple bites' worth at a time and get more. If you want to serve something with PNB then offer cut up cheese or string cheese or another protein at the meal. On our food program we can't use PNB as the sole protein anymore because it's unlikely that the kids will eat the full serving so I would have a couple things out if serving PNB. I usually have enough food out on the table that if they walk away hungry it's their own fault, especially the SA.
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nannyde 05:05 AM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by My Lil' Monkeys:
I have a dcd that showed up this morning for drop off with his SA and informed me that this child doesn't like milk or peanut butter. Now, I've had this child for 3 months and only comes on Fridays. The SA has told me this before but I've informed her that she has to have a small amount of milk and once that's gone she can have water and I haven't given her peanut butter.

As apart of the food program, I have to serve milk. What if this child just doesn't like it.. do I still have to serve it to her? Now, I feel like I have to make a special menu on Fridays just because she doesn't like it certain things.

Oh, and when I explained that as apart of the Food Program I have to serve milk to dad, he got upset and rolled his eyes.
Nah no worries.

Poor the cup... show it to her... ask her "do you want this?". If she says no say "Kewl Fewl" and put it in your fridge.

You just have to OFFER her the milk.
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kidkair 05:24 AM 03-11-2011
I had a 3 year old who didn't like drinking milk and her parents never gave it too her. I told her and her parents I still had to serve it and that she in no way had to drink it. I gave her a cup of water whenever she asked whether she touched the milk or not. If she didn't touch the milk I put it in the fridge and drank it myself later so it wasn't wasted.
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Blackcat31 05:53 AM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by My Lil' Monkeys:
I do give her a tiny amount and then water... which I have covered with her each time she is here. Now, she has dcd coming in and telling me that she doesn't like it... because I guess if he says it, then I must stop?
Why not give him the number to the food program coordinator? I think part of their job is keeping parents educated too....kwim?

Let him try to talk them into okaying that his child doesn't have to drink milk.....they will tell him to get a special diet statement from the child's doctor. If he does...great! If not, then they will also inform him of your requirment to continue offerring it.
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broncomom1973 08:02 AM 03-11-2011
As someone who does not care for milk myself (never have), I completely understand the kids here who do not like it. I am part of the food program and like others have posted, you just have to offer it. I have an almost 3 yr old dcb who has never had a drop of milk (unless I secretly put it in his oatmeal or in a casserole) in the almost 2 years I have had him. I have to offer it to him, but he has never ever drank it. He drinks water or juice when I serve it. I have told my food program lady that he does not like milk and they dont have a problem with it as long as it is offerred.
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MissAnn 08:09 AM 03-11-2011
I give milk and if they don't drink it....fine. I don't offere alternatives. All of my non milk drinkers now drink milk because they know there is not another choice.
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My Lil' Monkeys 08:29 AM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Why not give him the number to the food program coordinator? I think part of their job is keeping parents educated too....kwim?

Let him try to talk them into okaying that his child doesn't have to drink milk.....they will tell him to get a special diet statement from the child's doctor. If he does...great! If not, then they will also inform him of your requirment to continue offerring it.
I think this is a great idea!!
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My Lil' Monkeys 08:30 AM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by nannyde:
Nah no worries.

Poor the cup... show it to her... ask her "do you want this?". If she says no say "Kewl Fewl" and put it in your fridge.

You just have to OFFER her the milk.
This is what I'm going to do today. Because I feel like I'm going to waste a lot of milk (I know it's only 1 day a week). She'll say "no" and I can still use it for someone else or me
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daycare 08:47 AM 03-11-2011
I also have a child that dislikes milk and I asked my site monitor from the food program what to do. She said that I had to make note on the childs file that the child would not tolerate milk and could be given an alternative. This way you are not wasting milk that could have been for another child.

We are NOT allowed to store drinking cups that the kids use in the fridge. After every meal we are supposed to dump what is not consumed and wash the cup and replace it with fresh liquid for the next meal.

maybe you should talk to your site monitor
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nannyde 08:51 AM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Why not give him the number to the food program coordinator? I think part of their job is keeping parents educated too....kwim?

Let him try to talk them into okaying that his child doesn't have to drink milk.....they will tell him to get a special diet statement from the child's doctor. If he does...great! If not, then they will also inform him of your requirment to continue offerring it.
That might be monthly paperwork on menus. Easier to offer and have it refused. No paperwork trail.
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jen 09:28 AM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by daycare:
I also have a child that dislikes milk and I asked my site monitor from the food program what to do. She said that I had to make note on the childs file that the child would not tolerate milk and could be given an alternative. This way you are not wasting milk that could have been for another child.

We are NOT allowed to store drinking cups that the kids use in the fridge. After every meal we are supposed to dump what is not consumed and wash the cup and replace it with fresh liquid for the next meal.

maybe you should talk to your site monitor
To get around the drinking cup in the fridge rule, you can do this...

Pass out cups, walk around with milk, do you want this? No? OK, move on to the next one. The milk has to be offered, it does not have to be in the cup.
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e.j. 10:47 AM 03-11-2011
I had a little boy who didn't like to drink milk. At every meal, I would ask, "Would you like some milk?" so I could say I had offered it to him. Since the food program says only that you have to offer it/have it available to him, I think I met that requirement. Since I knew he would refuse it, I never poured it into a cup for him which prevented waste. Funny thing is... after several months, he actually got to a point where he wanted to try it. He tried so hard to like milk since the other kids were all drinking it but he couldn't seem to develop a taste for it.
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Abigail 06:41 PM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by MissAnn:
I give milk and if they don't drink it....fine. I don't offere alternatives. All of my non milk drinkers now drink milk because they know there is not another choice.
If they don't want milk as a beverage you don't let them drink anything??? I think you should at least offer water.
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Jewels 07:32 PM 03-11-2011
I offer milk to all my children, but I do not serve one of my children milk, because I have a little boy who will not touch milk, he never has since going off formula, he will only drink water, so thats all I give him, and honestly if the food program stopped by, she always glaces and checks the food, but I have yet to see her walk around to each child, and check their cups, and measure their amount of food, I think its being over thought, my boy wont drink milk so I don't serve it to him, I have many time trying to get him to try it enough that he might like it, but I would never worry, that I will get busted serving water to one child.
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Jewels 07:34 PM 03-11-2011
Originally Posted by MissAnn:
I give milk and if they don't drink it....fine. I don't offere alternatives. All of my non milk drinkers now drink milk because they know there is not another choice.
seriously.......no water????? thats rediculous! I would be very irritated as a parent to know, if my kid didn't want milk, they weren't offered water.
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Blackcat31 10:28 AM 03-12-2011
Originally Posted by nannyde:
That might be monthly paperwork on menus. Easier to offer and have it refused. No paperwork trail.
This is true. But I actually have one right now who has a Special Diet Statment and it was only one sheet filled out by the doctor, mailed to food program and when they see on her menu she was given something other than milk, they look at the diet statment I sent into them and viola~ No fuss No muss! It is not something I have to do monthly....just once.

I have recently been re-thinking the milk thing anyways. Seems there has been a few studies lately saying that we really do not get as much calcium as we think from milk and can get it easily in other foods so really why is it we drink milk? I think it is sort of gross that we are one of the only mammals that will drink another mammals milk. I am thinking of giving up the whole dairy milk thing and using Almond milk as a replacement on my cereal and for cooking. I was wondering if anyone else does not drink milk or drinks Almond milk?
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daycare 04:17 PM 03-12-2011
You wrote my thoughts isn't it interesting that we are the only mammals that continue to drink milk past infantcy?

I do not consume any dairy of any kind by choice. I do drink almond milk from time to time but I dont care for it much.

I get calcium other ways and have never even broken a bone. I have been a vegan for over 37 years
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Doodlebug 05:26 PM 03-12-2011
Its also my understanding that you have to offer the child the milk even though they don't like it to count it on the food program. If you want to put the kabosh to the whole fiasco tell the parent you need a doctors order to alter the diet plan. Or let them know you will be offering the milk but she doesn't have to drink it.
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Autismworld 07:15 PM 03-12-2011
My understanding is totally different. Offer doesn't mean just ask the child... it means serve it, put it on the table. I have to put the required amount of each food on each childs plate and the required amount of milk in their cup and serve it to them.
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MyAngels 07:26 PM 03-12-2011
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
This is true. But I actually have one right now who has a Special Diet Statment and it was only one sheet filled out by the doctor, mailed to food program and when they see on her menu she was given something other than milk, they look at the diet statment I sent into them and viola~ No fuss No muss! It is not something I have to do monthly....just once.

I have recently been re-thinking the milk thing anyways. Seems there has been a few studies lately saying that we really do not get as much calcium as we think from milk and can get it easily in other foods so really why is it we drink milk? I think it is sort of gross that we are one of the only mammals that will drink another mammals milk. I am thinking of giving up the whole dairy milk thing and using Almond milk as a replacement on my cereal and for cooking. I was wondering if anyone else does not drink milk or drinks Almond milk?
I don't drink cow's milk at all - I just don't like it. I do drink almond milk, and like it a lot better. It does taste like almonds, though, so I don't think it would be very good for cereal and the like. Almond milk does not have much protein at all. I also like soy milk, and it has more protein.
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Blackcat31 08:22 AM 03-14-2011
Originally Posted by MyAngels:
I don't drink cow's milk at all - I just don't like it. I do drink almond milk, and like it a lot better. It does taste like almonds, though, so I don't think it would be very good for cereal and the like. Almond milk does not have much protein at all. I also like soy milk, and it has more protein.
The Vanilla flavored Almond milk tastes like melted Dairy Queen icecream! YUM! My DH eats Blueberry shredded wheat squares for breakfast and when you add the Vanilla flavored Almond milk it is like a bowl of berries and cream...YUMMY!

It is weird that the Almond milk wouldn't have much protien since Almonds themselves do, but I guess it is the liquid not the actual almond so it does make sense. I haven't tried the soy milk yet...had a dcm tell me if you eat too much soy it can cause kidney stones or gallstones (I honestly can't remember which) and so I just shyed aways from it....this dcm was a health/nutrition specialist for our nearby school district so I just assumed she was correct.

Is soy milk better for you than almond or dairy milk then?

DAYCARE.....what things do you get your protein from then if you are vegan? It has always interested me but I haven't "jumped" yet..kwim?
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squareone 09:51 AM 03-14-2011
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
The Vanilla flavored Almond milk tastes like melted Dairy Queen icecream! YUM! My DH eats Blueberry shredded wheat squares for breakfast and when you add the Vanilla flavored Almond milk it is like a bowl of berries and cream...YUMMY!

It is weird that the Almond milk wouldn't have much protien since Almonds themselves do, but I guess it is the liquid not the actual almond so it does make sense. I haven't tried the soy milk yet...had a dcm tell me if you eat too much soy it can cause kidney stones or gallstones (I honestly can't remember which) and so I just shyed aways from it....this dcm was a health/nutrition specialist for our nearby school district so I just assumed she was correct.

Is soy milk better for you than almond or dairy milk then?

DAYCARE.....what things do you get your protein from then if you are vegan? It has always interested me but I haven't "jumped" yet..kwim?
I am not a fan of cow's milk either. Most of the nut milks are good and rice milk is great too. When I first made the switch, I went to soy milk but soon switched from that after doing more research. Seems that soy milk is not as great for us as we have been led to believe. Too much soy, especially for women is not a good thing. If I remember corrrectly, soy mimicks estrogen in the body and can cause a whole heap of problems for us. Soy can be very good for you but it needs to be fermented/cultured which is typically NOT the way it is processed or sold in the US.

I didn't have time to look it up and am going strictly off of memory right now so someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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