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03-02-2019 08:56 AM
Meeko I find myself shaking my head at the general attitude of
"Why should I follow the contract I signed?"

It doesn't matter if the daycare provider takes half the year off, or is available 24/7. You signed it. You agreed to it. You OK'd it. Now abide by it, or give notice and find another provider.

It's not rocket science. Don't sign something you don't agree with. Good grief.
02-28-2019 08:21 AM
boy_mom
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Originally Posted by Paul415 View Post
Day care providers deserve PTO - yes.

If we dont like one provider's policy, we have options - Agreed.

But what is a reasonable policy?

Our provider puts out an annual calendar with 6.2 weeks of scheduled paid time off. She also wants unlimited paid sick days, but offered to cap sick days at an additional 3 full weeks. That's 9.2 weeks of PTO per year.

Yes, providers deserve a PTO benefit, but this seems excessive.

Looking for some feedback about the specific time requested.

Thanks!

Paul
My sons nursery school follows the same schedule as the school system, including summer vacation. She is only open from 8:30-12:30, with the option to pay for an longer day until 3pm.

There is A LOT of time off that I pay for. But I love the teachers, I value the service and it feels right for our family. She has been in business for over 25 years, with a long waitlist so it clearly works for other families as well....

But my friends dont send their kids there. Schedules, fees and a million other reasons have lead them to a provider who fits their family's need better.

I'm not being snide, but if you dont like it, it may be time to look else where! There are so many amazing child care options, you should find one that works best for you! As people have said before, there is no right or wrong amount of PTO, you just have to find the best fit for your family
02-28-2019 08:01 AM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Paul415 View Post
Day care providers deserve PTO - yes.

If we dont like one provider's policy, we have options - Agreed.

But what is a reasonable policy?

Our provider puts out an annual calendar with 6.2 weeks of scheduled paid time off. She also wants unlimited paid sick days, but offered to cap sick days at an additional 3 full weeks. That's 9.2 weeks of PTO per year.

Yes, providers deserve a PTO benefit, but this seems excessive.

Looking for some feedback about the specific time requested.

Thanks!

Paul
For some it IS excessive
For others it IS NOT excessive

If she is able to get and keep clients, she's entitled to take as much or as little PTO as she wants.

It's irrelevant as to whether anyone thinks it is or isn't excessive.

If YOU think it's excessive, find another provider.
If you don't think it's excessive then there is no issue.

As you can tell this is a subject that is literally beat to death and there is no one size fits all.
Only what works for each family and each business owner.

I think it's excessive that some of the convenience stores here charge almost double what Walmart charges for milk.

Naturally I buy milk at Walmart.
02-28-2019 07:56 AM
Paul415 Day care providers deserve PTO - yes.

If we dont like one provider's policy, we have options - Agreed.

But what is a reasonable policy?

Our provider puts out an annual calendar with 6.2 weeks of scheduled paid time off. She also wants unlimited paid sick days, but offered to cap sick days at an additional 3 full weeks. That's 9.2 weeks of PTO per year.

Yes, providers deserve a PTO benefit, but this seems excessive.

Looking for some feedback about the specific time requested.

Thanks!

Paul
02-07-2018 08:23 PM
BrynleeJean Your provider could legally take the entire YEAR off and have you pay.

its not about if its legal. none of these questions are about if its legal. Its are you willing to have a provider that has that many vacation days.

They are employees in the workforce of childcare and deserve the time off and thats how they see it PTO just like any other employee but you do not have to stay with that provider.
If its becoming an inconvenience to you, maybe you don't have a close relative that can watch them and its getting to expensive to take off or pay for alternate care then maybe your family and her aren't a good fit. that ALL it is, no blame or anything.
i believe that paying my provider vacation is a way of me thanking her for taking care of my child the rest of the year, like respecting her as a fellow woman,and mom, and wife, who needs a vacation but also has bills.

GOOD LUCK
11-06-2017 07:08 AM
Snowmom
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
So my baby just started daycare and the provider said in interview that she doesn't take a lot of time off but I just got the papers and there's 12 holidays (didn't think Black Friday was a holiday but it is at daycare) and 3 weeks vacation and 7 personal days and 7 sick days ... is this normal??
As mentioned above, everyone is different. It is a little strange you didn't get (or read) the paperwork before starting your child at the daycare.

Personally, I take 2 paid days off at Thanksgiving- yes, one is technically "black friday". I really don't care what it's nicknamed, I'm just not re-opening on a Friday after a holiday. It's especially pointless when more than half the crew is gone or traveling anyway.

I personally take 12 paid holidays and 2 weeks annual vacation time (my vacations are unpaid, but rolled into tuition costs) and roughly 5-10 personal days throughout the year. I rarely take sick days, but sometimes a day or two a year is necessary if it's the flu or something I can't work through.
11-05-2017 07:41 AM
BumbleBee
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
So my baby just started daycare and the provider said in interview that she doesn't take a lot of time off but I just got the papers and there's 12 holidays (didn't think Black Friday was a holiday but it is at daycare) and 3 weeks vacation and 7 personal days and 7 sick days ... is this normal??
As Josiegirl said each daycare has their own schedule of days off. If the time off your provider takes does not work for you, your best bet is to begin looking elsewhere and specifically ask about provider time off. This may be your first experience with daycare so it may not have been a question you thought to ask. There is nothing wrong with that as I wouldn't think to ask that question either!

Me, personally, I take a week in July and the week between Christmas and New Year's. Additionally I am closed Labor Day, Memorial Day, Thanksgiving and the day after. As for personal days and sick days, I take those as needed. Life happens and as hard as I try to be open and available, it isn't always possible. Examples include last year when I had to close for a week unexpectedly due to having e-coli and I had to close for a day this year when my mom broke her arm and needed surgery. Both emergency situations that I was unable to plan for
11-05-2017 02:41 AM
Josiegirl
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
So my baby just started daycare and the provider said in interview that she doesn't take a lot of time off but I just got the papers and there's 12 holidays (didn't think Black Friday was a holiday but it is at daycare) and 3 weeks vacation and 7 personal days and 7 sick days ... is this normal??
What's normal for 1 dc or center may not be normal for another place so that's hard to say. But I am surprised you didn't get that information before you completed your enrollment because for some I can see how that could be a deciding factor.
For myself(in-home dc)I take off 7 holidays(and yes Black Friday is included in that list though it's not technically a holiday but it's a given every year). I don't usually take personal or sick days unless it's an emergency(life happens). As far as vacation time, that can change year to year. The past few years I've taken the week of Christmas and reopened Jan. 2nd. so that actually comprises 2 of the holidays. Occasionally I'll take an extra day during the year to create a long weekend.
Every provider is different. If you're not happy with their rules, either don't enroll(which it doesn't sound like you knew beforehand) or look somewhere else and give notice.
This is a very difficult business from both sides, as far as individual needs, expectations; being a child care provider(as in any provider role it seems) can be a very high burn-out profession and taking care of yourself is extremely important.
11-04-2017 04:29 PM
Unregistered So my baby just started daycare and the provider said in interview that she doesn't take a lot of time off but I just got the papers and there's 12 holidays (didn't think Black Friday was a holiday but it is at daycare) and 3 weeks vacation and 7 personal days and 7 sick days ... is this normal??
10-09-2017 10:58 AM
daycarediva
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
Yep... I noticed a while back that certain threads always resurface during certain correlating times of the year.

The sad part though is 2008-2017... almost 10 years and parents are still hung up on feeling "robbed" or "cheated" when having to pay for daycare when the closed but they have NO issue paying for days they technically don't need care (off work).

So when broken down and translated, most are just miffed they have to actually mind their own children.
Exactly!


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Originally Posted by Leigh View Post
Exactly. One hour of his time=100 hours of yours.
SAME! My dh makes in about 10 hours what I make in a full week, 60 hours.
10-09-2017 07:21 AM
nanglgrl You don't HAVE to pay for a spot when your provider is home just like homeowners/renters don't HAVE to pay their rent/mortgage when they're in vacation or not in their home. Just be prepared for your daycare provider, landlord or bank to let someone else move in and take your spot!
10-08-2017 08:10 PM
Leigh
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Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
I hear you!! I actually offered to trade a client a week of childcare for about an an hour of his company's pressure washing services (playground equipment). He countered back with 2 weeks citing a standard service charge.

Perspective.
Exactly. One hour of his time=100 hours of yours.
10-08-2017 02:30 PM
Snowmom
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Originally Posted by Leigh View Post

I don't know where you found this post in the thread, but first of all, at thinking he's the employer of a business owner. Second, "How many of employers pay their employees vacation time and then pay someone else to do the work their employee who is on vacation does?"...ummmm, ALL of them? When you take vacation from say, WalMart, and they have someone else cover your shift, who is paying? The EMPLOYER.
Lol.

Back in my college days, I worked in a temp agency.
My sole responsibility was filling in for employees on leave.
Whether it was maternity leave, vacations or illnesses, it was my job to temporarily fill that void.

That was how the temp agency made money... employers filling the void of employees on paid breaks.
10-06-2017 12:40 PM
Cat Herder
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
Yep... I noticed a while back that certain threads always resurface during certain correlating times of the year.

The sad part though is 2008-2017... almost 10 years and parents are still hung up on feeling "robbed" or "cheated" when having to pay for daycare when the closed but they have NO issue paying for days they technically don't need care (off work).

So when broken down and translated, most are just miffed they have to actually mind their own children.
I hear you!! I actually offered to trade a client a week of childcare for about an an hour of his company's pressure washing services (playground equipment). He countered back with 2 weeks citing a standard service charge.

Perspective.
10-06-2017 12:24 PM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
It was the OP back in 2008. I am sure it is bumping up because this coming Monday is a paid holiday for many of us.
Yep... I noticed a while back that certain threads always resurface during certain correlating times of the year.

The sad part though is 2008-2017... almost 10 years and parents are still hung up on feeling "robbed" or "cheated" when having to pay for daycare when the closed but they have NO issue paying for days they technically don't need care (off work).

So when broken down and translated, most are just miffed they have to actually mind their own children.
10-06-2017 12:09 PM
Cat Herder
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Originally Posted by Leigh View Post
I don't know where you found this post in the thread
It was the OP back in 2008. I am sure it is bumping up because this coming Monday is a paid holiday for many of us.
10-06-2017 11:12 AM
Leigh
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Originally Posted by getnsmart View Post
All these questions should have been asked in the beginning of interview. I would terminate you because you are a "irritater of policy". You are the one who needs childcare. If you don't like her policy find another daycare. Don't worry about the provider MORE children will Come
Originally Posted by kgravino View Post
Hi everyone!

"I'm new to the daycare scene and would like to know what is within the legal guidelines for charging for time off. My daycare provider charges me for 14 holidays, 10 vacation days (hers), sick days (hers), emergency days (hers). She charges $32 a day. My child is there part-time. She provides no back up but, she does give advance notice for vacation time. I am having a problem with her paid vacation and sick time. How many of employers pay their employees vacation time and then pay someone else to do the work their employee who is on vacation does? The same goes for sick time. I'm confused. Who works for who?

frustrated in ny"

I don't know where you found this post in the thread, but first of all, at thinking he's the employer of a business owner. Second, "How many of employers pay their employees vacation time and then pay someone else to do the work their employee who is on vacation does?"...ummmm, ALL of them? When you take vacation from say, WalMart, and they have someone else cover your shift, who is paying? The EMPLOYER.
10-06-2017 12:38 AM
getnsmart
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Originally Posted by kgravino View Post
Hi everyone!

I'm new to the daycare scene and would like to know what is within the legal guidelines for charging for time off. My daycare provider charges me for 14 holidays, 10 vacation days (hers), sick days (hers), emergency days (hers). She charges $32 a day. My child is there part-time. She provides no back up but, she does give advance notice for vacation time. I am having a problem with her paid vacation and sick time. How many of employers pay their employees vacation time and then pay someone else to do the work their employee who is on vacation does? The same goes for sick time. I'm confused. Who works for who?

frustrated in ny
All these questions should have been asked in the beginning of interview. I would terminate you because you are a "irritater of policy". You are the one who needs childcare. If you don't like her policy find another daycare. Don't worry about the provider MORE children will Come
09-28-2017 10:04 AM
daycarediva
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
But here is where I am very confused....They are offering a service. We are not there employer, as they are Self Employed... so help me to understand why are we paying for a Service that is not being given certain weeks out of the year????
Same with your mortgage/rent, cell, cable, internet. It's a service with a set price. REGARDLESS of how often you're home, watch TV, surf the net, you're charged.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CONTRACT, DON'T SIGN.
09-26-2017 02:05 PM
Leigh
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
But here is where I am very confused....They are offering a service. We are not there employer, as they are Self Employed... so help me to understand why are we paying for a Service that is not being given certain weeks out of the year????
I charge yearly tuition. I let parents pay it weekly, every two weeks, monthly-whatever works for them. I need to make that yearly number in order to meet my overhead. When parents sign on, they understand that the ENTIRE tuition must be paid, regardless of attendance. They understand that I will take some time off, and they will as well, and that tuition does not change because of that.

Does your cable company charge you when you aren't watching TV? Does your mortgage company discount when you are out shopping, at work, or on vacation and not using your house? Same here-my clients agree to pay a set amount, and that is what I expect them to do. If this doesn't work for YOU, then why would you sign on with a provider who operates this way?
09-26-2017 01:33 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Many, many companies pay for someone else to do a job that needs to be done when someone is on vacation or off of work sick.

In fact, I can't think of many companies that don't.

Do you have a paid vacation? Do you have paid sick days at work?
Why shouldn't a provider have those same benefits?
But here is where I am very confused....They are offering a service. We are not there employer, as they are Self Employed... so help me to understand why are we paying for a Service that is not being given certain weeks out of the year????
02-24-2017 10:26 AM
Mike
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Originally Posted by Meeko View Post
Really? Wow...you're lucky!

You only pay a car payment depending on the days you actually drive?! You don't owe if you are sick in bed?! I have to pay the same monthly amount regardless!

You get a refund on your cable bill if you don't watch TV one night?! I have to pay a set monthly fee!

You only pay your gym by the hour? Around here, folks pay a monthly fee whether they use the gym or not!

You get a reduction in your internet fees if you don't log on one day?! Wow...around here, it's a set fee regardless of how much you use it!

You are very lucky to only have to pay for what you actually use at any given time!

Daycares charge a flat monthly fee just like MANY other business's.

I am glad that I have wonderful daycare parents who actually appreciate the care I give their little ones and GLADLY give me a few days off with pay so I can relax and do my job better after a break. If I wasn't paid, I couldn't afford to take any time off and would be tending children while burnt out and tired.

I feel sorry for your provider. You obviously don't appreciate her enough to give her anything but the minimum amount of money.

I find parents like you are the ones who buy the best car they can afford, the best home they can afford, the best TV, the best smart phone, the best clothes...they take paid vacations......and then look for the cheapest daycare they can possibly find.

I guess it all comes down to priorities.
I love this reply.

I have 2 vehicles. One has been parked for 3 months because it needs too much work right now. I've been paying insurance for both of them, until yesterday. I finally called to cancel the insurance on the dead one. I told them it's been parked for 3 months. They never offered to refund me. I guess I should call back.

The joys of rehashing old threads.
02-24-2017 06:48 AM
Indoorvoice Weird that people think this way. When my child was in daycare my provider didn't charge me for her days off but I paid her anyway because you know what? It was important to me that my provider could afford to take care of my little one. It was important to me that she felt rested and taken care of because if she's not feeling her best, I knew my kid wouldn't get the best. Not her fault, that's how humans work. Funny how when you take care of people, they want to take care of you back. But more and more children are viewed as possessions instead of humans and this is apparent in how we view childcare and providers. Scary that people can't just be decent. You want good care? Pay for it.
02-23-2017 03:16 PM
Meeko
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
"Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.
Really? Wow...you're lucky!

You only pay a car payment depending on the days you actually drive?! You don't owe if you are sick in bed?! I have to pay the same monthly amount regardless!

You get a refund on your cable bill if you don't watch TV one night?! I have to pay a set monthly fee!

You only pay your gym by the hour? Around here, folks pay a monthly fee whether they use the gym or not!

You get a reduction in your internet fees if you don't log on one day?! Wow...around here, it's a set fee regardless of how much you use it!

You are very lucky to only have to pay for what you actually use at any given time!

Daycares charge a flat monthly fee just like MANY other business's.

I am glad that I have wonderful daycare parents who actually appreciate the care I give their little ones and GLADLY give me a few days off with pay so I can relax and do my job better after a break. If I wasn't paid, I couldn't afford to take any time off and would be tending children while burnt out and tired.

I feel sorry for your provider. You obviously don't appreciate her enough to give her anything but the minimum amount of money.

I find parents like you are the ones who buy the best car they can afford, the best home they can afford, the best TV, the best smart phone, the best clothes...they take paid vacations......and then look for the cheapest daycare they can possibly find.

I guess it all comes down to priorities.
02-23-2017 11:27 AM
Leigh
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.
I charge the same way a school does: Yearly tuition. I don't get a refund or discount over winter break-I still have to pay. If school is closed, I still pay. I figure out what I need for the year and give my clients options on making payments. I still need the same $XXXX per year to operate my business. If a client REALLY didn't want to pay for my days off, I'd just take that $XXXX that I charge, and divide it by 49 weeks instead of 52. The cost is the same either way.

We have a snow removal service that charges by the month. No snow? We pay. Snow every day? We pay the same. There are MANY businesses that operate this way. If a person doesn't like that, WHY are they signing a contract with such a business?
02-23-2017 11:13 AM
daycarediva
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.

Oy vey can we please stop rehashing this thread?

I assume you have a childcare arrangement without paid time off for your provider, right? Then why are you complaining? If you signed a contract- you agreed to the policies. If not, go elsewhere.

IF I charged parents more to cover my paid time off, and decreased rates for the days off, it would end up costing THEM significantly more, even $1/day is more $ than paying for the time off that I take.
02-23-2017 11:03 AM
Rockgirl
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.
Sounds like you've got it all figured out. You should open a daycare, implementing your ideas of how a daycare *should* operate!
02-23-2017 09:49 AM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.
Yep. 'Cuz we are all millionaires....

It's crazy how much money we earn!! I have no idea why everyone isn't opening a daycare of their own!!

Calling us greedy?? Meh...Maybe in your eyes but that says more about you than it does about providers in general.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
02-23-2017 09:20 AM
hwichlaz According to my smart meter....my utilities do go down about 35-40% if I work outside the home....just saying.


If I'm not here, the heat and AC aren't on. The only things running when I'm not home are the fridge and hot water heater.
02-23-2017 08:20 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
As a daycare provider, why can't we take paid vacation? You do.
This is not the same situation. You're right, as an employee, my employer grants me paid vacation based on how long I've been employed. But, if we hired a service provider such as a consultant, we would not pay them to go on vacation. We would pay them for their billable hours. Daycares should have billable hours.

Think of it as any other owner ran business. If the business is closed for the day, they are sacrificing the income that may have normally been provided that day.

A daycare provider makes their decision when they decide to become self employed. They (as the company) are responsible for paying themselves and their employees vacation time - not me as the customer. The daycare rates are not direct payroll to the provider. They cover payroll, operating costs, etc. If the business is ran properly, payroll should still be able to be covered if the provider is on vacation. Collecting fees when no service is provided is just greedy - and actually unlike any other business situation.
12-14-2015 06:37 AM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I have a child at inhome daycare. I pay her 3 weeks vacation and 3 sick days. She deserves more than that. She works longer hours than all us parents and frankly her job is far more important than mine. My child loves going to her house. She is one of the most influential people in his life. He spends over 8 hours a day with her. And I'm happy that my child is happy. If you don't think your childcare provider deserves that than go to a center where your kid may just be a number. If you don't understand the importance of the job and service they provide than I feel sorry for your children.
I am sure your provider values you as a client tremendously.
NOT because you pay her time off but because you see the value in it.
12-13-2015 06:20 PM
Unregistered I have a child at inhome daycare. I pay her 3 weeks vacation and 3 sick days. She deserves more than that. She works longer hours than all us parents and frankly her job is far more important than mine. My child loves going to her house. She is one of the most influential people in his life. He spends over 8 hours a day with her. And I'm happy that my child is happy. If you don't think your childcare provider deserves that than go to a center where your kid may just be a number. If you don't understand the importance of the job and service they provide than I feel sorry for your children.
07-21-2015 11:25 AM
Leigh
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Originally Posted by danoh0429 View Post
I've been a LDC provider for a couple years now and I can tell you I would NEVER expect a family to pay me for my vacation/sick days. Its a part of being self employed. There are many perks to being self-employed, like being able to take time off whenever you need it, or closing early if you have too and being your own boss, but you should not expect PTO from families. I have my DCP pay me for holidays, only if it falls during their normal week, and of course if they go on vacation or cancel bc their child is sick, then they still pay, but if I am sick, or take days off, I do not expect to be paid for this. Just seems a little ridiculous if you ask me.
They're not paying me for my days off-they're paying me a yearly tuition. I DO take days off, but since they don't pay by the day, it doesn't affect their tuition. I don't find it ridiculous at all. And the perks you mention? I had WAAAAAY more perks when I was in the corporate world (and way more time off, too-I worked 135 days a year at my last job, and made more than triple what I make now). The biggest perk in my current job is that I make my own rules. And my rules say that you don't get a refund because of a day off, no matter whose day off it is.
07-21-2015 11:21 AM
AmyKidsCo
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
That's the beauty of being self-employed.

YOU can do what works for YOU.

*hint* notice the word YOU?

YOU don't have to expect parents to pay you but don't diss those that do adopt that practice.

There is a right fit for every family and it's up to each family to do their research and find a provider that has policies they can work with.

Just because you find it ridiculous doesn't mean others do too...
LOLOL!

I just skimmed through page 2 here to get to the end so I could post the same thing.

The beauty of family child care is that we can each run our business as we see fit (within licensing rules, etc).

The other beauty of family child care is that parents can look around until they find a program that fits what they want.

Different doesn't mean wrong or bad, it just means different.
07-21-2015 09:21 AM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by danoh0429 View Post
I've been a LDC provider for a couple years now and I can tell you I would NEVER expect a family to pay me for my vacation/sick days. Its a part of being self employed. There are many perks to being self-employed, like being able to take time off whenever you need it, or closing early if you have too and being your own boss, but you should not expect PTO from families. I have my DCP pay me for holidays, only if it falls during their normal week, and of course if they go on vacation or cancel bc their child is sick, then they still pay, but if I am sick, or take days off, I do not expect to be paid for this. Just seems a little ridiculous if you ask me.
That's the beauty of being self-employed.

YOU can do what works for YOU.

*hint* notice the word YOU?

YOU don't have to expect parents to pay you but don't diss those that do adopt that practice.

There is a right fit for every family and it's up to each family to do their research and find a provider that has policies they can work with.

Just because you find it ridiculous doesn't mean others do too...
07-21-2015 09:13 AM
danoh0429 I've been a LDC provider for a couple years now and I can tell you I would NEVER expect a family to pay me for my vacation/sick days. Its a part of being self employed. There are many perks to being self-employed, like being able to take time off whenever you need it, or closing early if you have too and being your own boss, but you should not expect PTO from families. I have my DCP pay me for holidays, only if it falls during their normal week, and of course if they go on vacation or cancel bc their child is sick, then they still pay, but if I am sick, or take days off, I do not expect to be paid for this. Just seems a little ridiculous if you ask me.
07-10-2015 08:09 PM
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AND THEY'LL COMTINUE POSTING IT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE

THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
(Sing it with me! )
YES IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDS
SOMEBODY STARTED POSTING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS
AND THEY'LL COMTINUE POSTING IT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE...

(THANK YOU Sherri Lewis and Lambchop RIP!)

Love this! And now I can't get the song out of my head!
07-10-2015 08:03 PM
Miss A Before choosing to open my own daycare, I worked in a state licensed center. This allowed for me to learn the ins and outs of daycare, and to also get a feel for how a daycare best runs smoothly. While in the process of setting up my home childcare, I have talked to many home providers in my area, both registered and non-registered. I am finding that in my area parents are paying a flat rate for an entire week, should they choose for their child to attend or not. I am also finding that many providers choose to have paid holidays, as well as a short paid vacation.

I am choosing to build in 3 paid vacation days, all in a row. I have stated this in my contract, and I have had no issue with parents accepting this policy. It is my belief that Quality Childcare is not cheap, and that you get what you pay for. If you don't mind having a daycare provider that is frazzled, stressed out, over whelmed, and burnt out, then that is your choice. I choose to build these 3 paid vacation days into my schedule so that I am able to provide the best possible care to the children in my daycare.

It comes down to what each family chooses. A daycare provider should never change their contract to appease families and sacrifice themselves. If you are providing quality care, you will be able to fill those spots with families who are more understanding and are willing to accept your policies.
07-09-2015 03:06 PM
Thriftylady
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
Then that is the time to call on family and friends....

It has NOTHING to do with deserving a vacation, taking one because others get one too or with being paid a minimal amount for the long hours we work but it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that as a small business owner I get to choose which services (and when) I offer and you as a parent get to choose whether or not you sign on with a provider that charges for her/his vacation time.

If you don't want to pay double, find a provider that doesn't charge for days she is closed or use a center that is open all year round.

I choose to charge a flat weekly rate 52 weeks a year.
My clients choose to agree to this before enrolling.

EVERYONE has a choice.

If you are double paying and not liking it, then it's YOUR issue to fix not your providers job to edit or alter her policies simply to meet YOUR needs.
THIS.

It isn't even really being about self employed, even though we are. It is about we run our own business the way we want to. OUR name is on the door. The same as you get to pick what store you buy groceries in, or clothing in or whatever you get to choose what childcare you use. I don't charge for my days off right now, but I am not saying I never will, I will review my policies yearly and do as I see fit at the time.

But do you really want the provider who never takes time off because she can't afford to caring for the most important thing in your life? You don't really think that a tired, overworked, underpaid provider is the best place to leave your precious child do you? If so go find one, but be prepared for the things that could happen. Things could go great for years. Or, she could just not open the door one day, and then again a week or two later. Leaving you in a bind. At least a provider that tells you ahead of time leaves you some options.
07-09-2015 11:09 AM
Blackcat31
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The question isn't whether you deserve the time off or not. The problem is that the week you guys are closed we have to hire someone else to watch our kids, so we are paying double for that week. We are not made of money and can't afford to pay someone who isn't even watching our kids!
Then that is the time to call on family and friends....

It has NOTHING to do with deserving a vacation, taking one because others get one too or with being paid a minimal amount for the long hours we work but it has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that as a small business owner I get to choose which services (and when) I offer and you as a parent get to choose whether or not you sign on with a provider that charges for her/his vacation time.

If you don't want to pay double, find a provider that doesn't charge for days she is closed or use a center that is open all year round.

I choose to charge a flat weekly rate 52 weeks a year.
My clients choose to agree to this before enrolling.

EVERYONE has a choice.

If you are double paying and not liking it, then it's YOUR issue to fix not your providers job to edit or alter her policies simply to meet YOUR needs.
07-09-2015 11:03 AM
Play Care THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
YES IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDS!
SOMEBODY STARTED POSTING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS
AND THEY'LL COMTINUE POSTING IT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE

THIS IS THE THREAD THAT NEVER ENDS
(Sing it with me! )
YES IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDS
SOMEBODY STARTED POSTING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS
AND THEY'LL COMTINUE POSTING IT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE...

(THANK YOU Sherri Lewis and Lambchop RIP!)
07-09-2015 10:38 AM
Unregistered The question isn't whether you deserve the time off or not. The problem is that the week you guys are closed we have to hire someone else to watch our kids, so we are paying double for that week. We are not made of money and can't afford to pay someone who isn't even watching our kids!
07-09-2015 10:28 AM
Unregistered Not everyone gets paid vacations and as a self employed person that is one luxury you do not get. My husband has been self employed for years, if he doesn't work he doesn't get paid....period. Why is daycare any different than any other self employed person?

Parents have to find other means of childcare for their kids on the week you are gone, so basically paying double for that week. I hate paying daycare for days they don't watch my kids then have to pay someone else as well. I don't mind the holidays but have a huge problem with days they are closed and I have to pay.
08-22-2013 07:49 AM
Unregistered I am a day care provider
most day care here in BC Can do have paid holidays, sick days ex....and I used to follow that myself
though I did take pay for sick days but never used them , had subsitute, and didnt take holidays which i never ask for pay then , and had a monthly rate and that was where the pay for BC hlidays came in
over time I realized where I live full time work wasnt always there for clients, scheduals changed, lots of part time kids in my care
so I made changes too
I never get paid well for any of these days now and charge only daily rates no matter full time or part time and my contract states this
I also have no security in this biss and have no medical benifits, holiday pay EI insurance ex.......so it is a scarey biss of self emplyment
and I have be ripped off
so some who charge for these days get a sence of security that many working parents have
03-04-2013 06:56 PM
Hunni Bee Yeah but there's still plenty of these people.who think "oh you're just my babysitter...you don't need anything but air and water and to scrape up the chump change off the floor that I throw you..."

so its still relevant.
03-04-2013 10:22 AM
Blackcat31
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03-04-2013 08:57 AM
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03-04-2013 04:55 AM
Unregistered
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Many, many companies pay for someone else to do a job that needs to be done when someone is on vacation or off of work sick.

In fact, I can't think of many companies that don't.

Do you have a paid vacation? Do you have paid sick days at work?
Why shouldn't a provider have those same benefits?

This is nuts! Everyone else gets Paid time off, paid vacation and paid sick days but a childcare provider who works MORE than 40 hours that cooks for your child, cleans for your child, nurtures your child, encourages your child and teaches your child gets questioned about why they get all that time off?? the question is why did the parent sign the contract for their child to be there...THEN complain about policy? So I agree with you MOST companies pay their employees vacation time while someone else does their work.
02-28-2013 05:37 AM
Rachel
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It boils down to this, if you don't agree with a daycare provider getting paid time off, find one who doesn't take any.

I have 12 families who are happy to give me paid time off since they feel I deserve it, and should be able to take the time off without having to worry about finances. I don't take an excessive amount of time off, and when compared to the average working person, I will still total many many hours more in a year. My parents know how hard I work, and feel that they would rather have a happy, semi-rested provider.

I work at bare minimum 55 hours a week, which is 2860 hours a year. I take 10 paid holidays a year, and 5 paid vacation days. Amounting to a whopping 15 days off per year. Once you subtract those days out, that is 2695 hours a year - which is still 51 hours a week. So 10 hours more a week than most working adults, A FULL EXTRA WORK DAY EACH WEEK. Yes, I am the CEO and yes, I choose to do this for a living. But I would hope you see how much more time I am spending working that the average full-time worker. And how some would argue that we deserve a little time off while being paid.
I agree. I get paid the same 12 months a year. I actually don't have paid sick leave, I pay backup, but my personal days, vacation days, and holidays are all paid.
02-26-2013 09:31 PM
TheGoodLife I agree with what someone said earlier.... If you want these extended paid vacations, sick time, or holidays you should go back to school. Pay for a few school loans. And, get a teaching degree. Problem solved. You're still around children...taking care of children...and you have all your paid vacations!![/quote]

I have 3 degrees- my Bachelors, Masters in Education, and ESL endorsement. I got a full ride to college to pay for my bachelors degree. I chose to leave my classroom to start a home day care. I do not appreciate your belittling our profession and saying we do not deserve any paid leave days. You don't agree with it, don't sign a contract with someone who does. But you are extremely rude and arrogant to say that no one in our profession has the right to paid holidays. And those that are saying we "work for" (i.e. are employed by) the parents would then have to admit that the employers of most jobs also pay for employees' vacations. Those that say self-employed people do not get paid vacations- it's out business to run the way we want to. Whether we add it in to the weekly rates or lower the rates and include paid days off- it's our right to put into our contract as we want to run our business.
02-26-2013 09:14 PM
TheGoodLife
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Originally Posted by blandino View Post
It boils down to this, if you don't agree with a daycare provider getting paid time off, find one who doesn't take any.

I have 12 families who are happy to give me paid time off since they feel I deserve it, and should be able to take the time off without having to worry about finances. I don't take an excessive amount of time off, and when compared to the average working person, I will still total many many hours more in a year. My parents know how hard I work, and feel that they would rather have a happy, semi-rested provider.

I work at bare minimum 55 hours a week, which is 2860 hours a year. I take 10 paid holidays a year, and 5 paid vacation days. Amounting to a whopping 15 days off per year. Once you subtract those days out, that is 2695 hours a year - which is still 51 hours a week. So 10 hours more a week than most working adults, A FULL EXTRA WORK DAY EACH WEEK. Yes, I am the CEO and yes, I choose to do this for a living. But I would hope you see how much more time I am spending working that the average full-time worker. And how some would argue that we deserve a little time off while being paid.
02-26-2013 08:47 PM
blandino
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First of all, as a self-employed person you are NOT ENTITLED to paid holidays, vacation and sick days, and I think its greedy to think you do. It is immoral. Private schooling is by no means the same type of "service" you are paying for an education, and at most schools if you have a weather emergency or any other unplanned emergency the day is made up at the end of the year. That's like saying if the teacher calls in sick the parents have to pay the teacher her sick day and pay the substitute for the day. The parents don't the company (the school) does. With that being said, you are running a small company, you are the CEO, you are responsible for paying yourself that sick and vacation time...I hope that make sense.

I'm so sick of seeing people complain about paying for groceries and utilities they use for their business. I also have expenses, like a reliable vehicle, vehicle upkeep, gas, business attire..I don't expect my company to pay for those expenses because its part of the job.
It boils down to this, if you don't agree with a daycare provider getting paid time off, find one who doesn't take any.

I have 12 families who are happy to give me paid time off since they feel I deserve it, and should be able to take the time off without having to worry about finances. I don't take an excessive amount of time off, and when compared to the average working person, I will still total many many hours more in a year. My parents know how hard I work, and feel that they would rather have a happy, semi-rested provider.

I work at bare minimum 55 hours a week, which is 2860 hours a year. I take 10 paid holidays a year, and 5 paid vacation days. Amounting to a whopping 15 days off per year. Once you subtract those days out, that is 2695 hours a year - which is still 51 hours a week. So 10 hours more a week than most working adults, A FULL EXTRA WORK DAY EACH WEEK. Yes, I am the CEO and yes, I choose to do this for a living. But I would hope you see how much more time I am spending working that the average full-time worker. And how some would argue that we deserve a little time off while being paid.
02-26-2013 08:22 PM
Unregistered
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Holdy cow! How funny are you?! Immoral??? Hahahahah!!! You are welcome to choose a provider who doesn't charge for vacation time...certainly your right but THAT is where your rights end. My business, my rules.

And, for the record...When you pay tuition for private school, or college, you DO NOT get a discount when school is closed for whatever reason....are they immoral too or just running a PROFITABLE busines?
First of all, as a self-employed person you are NOT ENTITLED to paid holidays, vacation and sick days, and I think its greedy to think you do. It is immoral. Private schooling is by no means the same type of "service" you are paying for an education, and at most schools if you have a weather emergency or any other unplanned emergency the day is made up at the end of the year. That's like saying if the teacher calls in sick the parents have to pay the teacher her sick day and pay the substitute for the day. The parents don't the company (the school) does. With that being said, you are running a small company, you are the CEO, you are responsible for paying yourself that sick and vacation time...I hope that make sense.

I'm so sick of seeing people complain about paying for groceries and utilities they use for their business. I also have expenses, like a reliable vehicle, vehicle upkeep, gas, business attire..I don't expect my company to pay for those expenses because its part of the job.
01-13-2013 10:39 AM
Unregistered I figured out how much I would make with parents paying for 52 weeks/year. Divided that by 50 weeks/year and that's how much parents pay, rounded up to an even dollar amount per month. I bank the "extra." So my holidays are covered, although it doesn't say so in the contract.


For all of you complaining, if you signed a contract you need to deal with it. If you don't like the terms of care.. go somewhere else.
01-08-2013 09:09 PM
Patches
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Companies don't pay EXTRA for someone else to do your work when you're on vacation.
Others - ALREADY EMPLOYED with the company does your job while you vacation. Come on, you know this. Companies don't go and hire....or pay extra money for someone to do your job while you're out.

The same should apply to child care providers. They should have someone else to do the job. Someone whom they are to pay after we pay them.
Every single company I've ever worked for has, yes, used already employed people to cover for someone when they are on vacation and such.
HOWEVER, they have these people(usually more than one person) work extra hours, which means EXTRA money, usually overtime pay.

And you want to know why they pay EXTRA (and they do pay extra) for that employee to have a paid vacation? Because they value the employee and they work he/she does enough to let them have tome to recharge/relax so they CAN keep up the good work.
01-08-2013 02:01 PM
WDW
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Originally Posted by kitykids3 View Post
DITTO!
I did not set up a business to work for parents. They choose my service that I offer. And not all providers abuse their privilege of time off. In fact, many try to take little time off knowing that it inconveniences parents, but we need recharging time off.

If you want someone to 'work for you,' then hire a nanny to come to your home, pay her 3 times as much and for her taxes and health insurance.
01-08-2013 10:51 AM
kitykids3
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
Unless you are paying for my social security taxes, medical and retirement expenses, I do NOT work for any of my parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you are unhappy with your provider's payment policies regarding closed days, find a new one but it would probably be a smart move on your part to lose the "daycare providers work for us" attitude!

Wow! just wow!!!!
DITTO!
I did not set up a business to work for parents. They choose my service that I offer. And not all providers abuse their privilege of time off. In fact, many try to take little time off knowing that it inconveniences parents, but we need recharging time off.

If you want someone to 'work for you,' then hire a nanny to come to your home, pay her 3 times as much and for her taxes and health insurance.
01-08-2013 07:25 AM
Blackcat31
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The point is that if providers want the same benefits the corporations provide, then go work for a corporation! i paid my daycare provider (who only watches my two kids) for a total of 2 1/2 months of paid time-off! 3 weeks which we were not obligated to pay for since no where in the contract does it state she gets paid for time-off requested by her. She told my wife yes she gets paid 1/2 the rate for time off, however, I just found my contract and read through it, should I go back and request those funds back? The point is daycare providers work for us and should not abuse time off and we should show compassion as well since they are reliant on these checks. You need to talk to your provider to clear up what is and is not in the contract. In my case, I met with my provider and had no problem adding clause alloting the provider 5 paid days (at normal rate) with additional days within the same calendar year not requiring payment. Also stating that its the 'client's responsibility to find and fund alternative care during that time.
Unless you are paying for my social security taxes, medical and retirement expenses, I do NOT work for any of my parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you are unhappy with your provider's payment policies regarding closed days, find a new one but it would probably be a smart move on your part to lose the "daycare providers work for us" attitude!

Wow! just wow!!!!
01-08-2013 06:29 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Many, many companies pay for someone else to do a job that needs to be done when someone is on vacation or off of work sick.

In fact, I can't think of many companies that don't.

Do you have a paid vacation? Do you have paid sick days at work?
Why shouldn't a provider have those same benefits?
The point is that if providers want the same benefits the corporations provide, then go work for a corporation! i paid my daycare provider (who only watches my two kids) for a total of 2 1/2 months of paid time-off! 3 weeks which we were not obligated to pay for since no where in the contract does it state she gets paid for time-off requested by her. She told my wife yes she gets paid 1/2 the rate for time off, however, I just found my contract and read through it, should I go back and request those funds back? The point is daycare providers work for us and should not abuse time off and we should show compassion as well since they are reliant on these checks. You need to talk to your provider to clear up what is and is not in the contract. In my case, I met with my provider and had no problem adding clause alloting the provider 5 paid days (at normal rate) with additional days within the same calendar year not requiring payment. Also stating that its the 'client's responsibility to find and fund alternative care during that time.
01-07-2013 03:52 PM
kitykids3
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Anology to your quote:

I am a clothing boutique owner. I will make $100.00 from selling those pants. Nevermind the other five sets of pants that I also make $100.00 from selling.


You keep six children (at least). That would total about $10.50 an hour. There are many people who make this kind of money and NEVER GET PAID VACATIONS. I agree with what someone said earlier.... If you want these extended paid vacations, sick time, or holidays you should go back to school. Pay for a few school loans. And, get a teaching degree. Problem solved. You're still around children...taking care of children...and you have all your paid vacations!!
Some of us do have teaching degrees, with honors, and are paying back student loans.
However, I chose to work with younger kids as those first 3-5 years will make much more impact on their life than if I were to work at a school.
My clients appreciate my educational background and the high quality care their kiddos receive and therefore have no problem paying me 10 days per year.
Many providers even without degrees still provide great care and deserve time off to recharge to be able to take care of 'your most valuable possession.'
01-07-2013 09:30 AM
WDW
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Companies don't pay EXTRA for someone else to do your work when you're on vacation.
Others - ALREADY EMPLOYED with the company does your job while you vacation. Come on, you know this. Companies don't go and hire....or pay extra money for someone to do your job while you're out.

The same should apply to child care providers. They should have someone else to do the job. Someone whom they are to pay after we pay them.
Most of us won't do this as we are still ultimately responsible for the children when someone we've chosen to take care of them in our place is in charge. If something were to happen while we were away, we would be responsible. That is why back up care is the parent's responsibility.

Also, you need to remember that you are not paying us 10.50 an hour, or anything close. More like 2 to 3 an hour if that... and if you can't afford to pay double for a few days then maybe you should plan ahead and stay home.
01-07-2013 06:40 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by jen View Post
I see what you are getting at and your are correct to a point.

I am a business owner and my business charges XX amount of dollars per month. When your child goes off to college you will pay tuition which will not be reduced because the professor cancelled class because of weather, illness or holiday. My daughters gymnastics club charges me $177 per month. Her class is offered 2x per week which we pay regardless of actual sessions she attends each month or if the class is cancelled for some reason or happens to fall on a holiday.

But, here is the most important thing I can tell you as a provider. READ your contract. If you don't like the terms of the contract, DO NOT sign it. If you sign the contract abide by the terms of said contract and stop complaining.

I will never understand why people continue to question the terms of a contract that they themselves signed!!!
A professor is allowed so many sick days too...or even vacation days. But, the college will supply a teacher for those days (most of the time) at no extra expense to me. My child (in college) will continue with class as usual regardless of a professor's PTO. Also, children participating in extra curriculum activities are usually compensated for the services agreed upon and not received. You know this, I'm sure.

People should not sign contracts they don't agree with. Or, mark through terms you do not agree with. Although, desperate sometimes calls for desperate measures.
01-07-2013 06:29 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by mac60 View Post
Most self employed people make much more than a daycare provider. My plumber charges $75 per hour, my handyman over $35 per hour, me a dc provider.....I get less than $1.75 per hour to care for your child, and I supply care, love, food, activities, etc. If you have a good daycare provider, be thankful and treat her nice, we deserve it, just like you think you deserve paid vacations, paid sick days, paid time off for a family death, etc. The person you leave your child with should be very important to you.
Anology to your quote:

I am a clothing boutique owner. I will make $100.00 from selling those pants. Nevermind the other five sets of pants that I also make $100.00 from selling.


You keep six children (at least). That would total about $10.50 an hour. There are many people who make this kind of money and NEVER GET PAID VACATIONS. I agree with what someone said earlier.... If you want these extended paid vacations, sick time, or holidays you should go back to school. Pay for a few school loans. And, get a teaching degree. Problem solved. You're still around children...taking care of children...and you have all your paid vacations!!
01-07-2013 06:15 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Many, many companies pay for someone else to do a job that needs to be done when someone is on vacation or off of work sick.

In fact, I can't think of many companies that don't.

Do you have a paid vacation? Do you have paid sick days at work?
Why shouldn't a provider have those same benefits?
Companies don't pay EXTRA for someone else to do your work when you're on vacation.
Others - ALREADY EMPLOYED with the company does your job while you vacation. Come on, you know this. Companies don't go and hire....or pay extra money for someone to do your job while you're out.

The same should apply to child care providers. They should have someone else to do the job. Someone whom they are to pay after we pay them.
01-01-2013 08:38 AM
MarinaVanessa
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
If I may ask do you have any marketing tips. I am currently going through the process of becoming licenced and would like to know what marketing stratgies work, Flyers, Craiglist ads, pennysavers or local grocery store community bulliton boards.
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12-31-2012 08:47 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Chickenhauler View Post
I don't want to sound flippant about it, but children are not a "limited commodity".....people are always having kids, and always needing daycare. If they're willing to switch DC's over a $5/week rate increase, good riddance to them, they were looking for a reason anyways.

Even in these "hard economic times", our phone is ringing at least twice per week with someone seeking child care....many times, we have to turn them away, just because it won't work out (numbers, they want the moon and stars, the parents just come off as flakes, etc).
If I may ask do you have any marketing tips. I am currently going through the process of becoming licenced and would like to know what marketing stratgies work, Flyers, Craiglist ads, pennysavers or local grocery store community bulliton boards.
12-02-2012 05:00 PM
AnneCordelia To give perspective. I charge $175/week and have 5 kids in care. After food, craft supplies, cleaning supplies, extra hydro/electricity, equipment (strollers, PNPs) and taxes, last year I made just less than $9/hour for my 60 hour work week (only 50 of those hours are spent with the children). That is less than minimum wage for my area, with me working at maximum capacity.
12-01-2012 03:26 PM
Building Blocks I dont change my parents if I need a day off. I do Charge for all holidays Im closed.
12-01-2012 12:31 PM
EntropyControlSpecialist
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I agree many childcare providers are paid low. However, to state you only make $1.75/hr seems a bit extreme. If you are attempting to get every parent to pay you minimum wage or higher per hour per child that may be an unreasonable expectation. Some states do have a maximum # of kids you may watch (i.e. Providing unlicensed child care for more than 4 children, who are not related to the provider, is against the law in Missouri.) In this situation the provider should determine their desired hourly wage (or wkly earnings) and divide that by the four child max.

We take our child to an unlicensed home daycare that operates a max of 9 hours per day. Every federal holiday is observed (daycare closed) and we still pay for care. We pay the full-time weekly rate whether our child is there or not. In addition the provider is allowed two one-week paid vacations (1 spring/summer, 1 fall/winter).

$125 per week x 4 children = $500 per week divided by 45 hrs of max operation = $11.11/hour.

NOTE: A licensed provider may care for more than the four limit mentioned above. "There are several criteria that determine a facility’s licensed capacity. These include: Square footage for indoor and outdoor areas; Director’s education and work experience; and
Amount of materials and equipment."
I do not know any childcare provider who works "45 hours of max operation" per week. Maybe 45-50 hours with children present, and that doesn't include the time it takes to do administrative duties, clean, lesson plan, prepare materials, go shopping for food/toys/necessary items, etc. I work around 60 hours per week (minimum).

The amount of money that goes back into running a business like this is unbelievable and I don't think you'd begrudge your daycare provider for charging what they do and when they do if you knew the true costs (financially, physically, and mentally) of running a quality daycare program.
12-01-2012 09:59 AM
kitykids3
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I agree many childcare providers are paid low. However, to state you only make $1.75/hr seems a bit extreme. If you are attempting to get every parent to pay you minimum wage or higher per hour per child that may be an unreasonable expectation. Some states do have a maximum # of kids you may watch (i.e. Providing unlicensed child care for more than 4 children, who are not related to the provider, is against the law in Missouri.) In this situation the provider should determine their desired hourly wage (or wkly earnings) and divide that by the four child max.

We take our child to an unlicensed home daycare that operates a max of 9 hours per day. Every federal holiday is observed (daycare closed) and we still pay for care. We pay the full-time weekly rate whether our child is there or not. In addition the provider is allowed two one-week paid vacations (1 spring/summer, 1 fall/winter).

$125 per week x 4 children = $500 per week divided by 45 hrs of max operation = $11.11/hour.

NOTE: A licensed provider may care for more than the four limit mentioned above. "There are several criteria that determine a facility’s licensed capacity. These include: Square footage for indoor and outdoor areas; Director’s education and work experience; and
Amount of materials and equipment."
That $11.11 per hour you just figured out is unreal (not that I'm sayin $1.75/hour is too realistic either) because that does not include taking out expenses such as insurance, food, art materials, etc. etc. nor does it include outside time such as shopping, planning and prep.
11-30-2012 03:48 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by mac60 View Post
I get less than $1.75 per hour to care for your child, and I supply care, love, food, activities, etc.
I agree many childcare providers are paid low. However, to state you only make $1.75/hr seems a bit extreme. If you are attempting to get every parent to pay you minimum wage or higher per hour per child that may be an unreasonable expectation. Some states do have a maximum # of kids you may watch (i.e. Providing unlicensed child care for more than 4 children, who are not related to the provider, is against the law in Missouri.) In this situation the provider should determine their desired hourly wage (or wkly earnings) and divide that by the four child max.

We take our child to an unlicensed home daycare that operates a max of 9 hours per day. Every federal holiday is observed (daycare closed) and we still pay for care. We pay the full-time weekly rate whether our child is there or not. In addition the provider is allowed two one-week paid vacations (1 spring/summer, 1 fall/winter).

$125 per week x 4 children = $500 per week divided by 45 hrs of max operation = $11.11/hour.

NOTE: A licensed provider may care for more than the four limit mentioned above. "There are several criteria that determine a facility’s licensed capacity. These include: Square footage for indoor and outdoor areas; Director’s education and work experience; and
Amount of materials and equipment."
03-05-2012 08:17 AM
DCBlessings27 I started off charging only for the days children were in care, but I soon found that grandparents/aunts magically appeared to watch the kids. I definitely couldn't afford to stay open when the parents didn't bring the kids due to having free childcare. I soon learned to charge a weekly rate.

I've only been charging for the major holidays--New Years, Memorial, 4th of July, Labor Day, Christmas (if they fall during the week) for a year. I added in only 3 paid sick days as well.

I do not charge for my personal vacation or if I take a non-holiday day off, but I do give plenty of notice. I added in the 3 paid sick days because I get every illness that the kids get and so does my daughter. I've had to use 2 of the sick days already this year because my daughter and I got pneumonia in Jan.

I try to be as fair as I can with my daycare parents. I, however, do not work for my parents. I provide a service; they chose to use my service.

Others in my city can charge for 10 personal days, 3 weeks vacation, all the federal holidays--all paid and get away with it. One provider has in her contract that she will not take kids unless both parents are working. If one parent is off, she expects the child to be home.

It's up to the parents to agree to the contract and find the service that works best for them.
02-22-2012 11:20 AM
MyAngels
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Originally Posted by Catherder View Post
And you are marketing products to daycare providers here?

It cuts both ways.
Selling baby monitors, right?

While everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, I'm not sure making an anti-provider post would be my first choice in a marketing strategy .
02-22-2012 04:32 AM
Cat Herder
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Originally Posted by Msiferllc View Post
Agreed. You lose certain privileges when you become self-employed, PTO being one of them. However, if the provider keeps getting new clients, what motivation does she have to change? I think it's steep, and the best message you could send is to find another provider.
And you are marketing products to daycare providers here?

It cuts both ways.
02-21-2012 07:33 PM
Msiferllc
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Home daycare providers are self employed. Self employed people usually don't get paid vacation. My provider asks for paid vacation and I do not agree with it. When we go on vacation, I will still pay for the week that my child is not there. That I agree with. I also do not have a problem paying for holidays should it fall on a weekday, but paid vacations? So basically, I have to pay for her for not watching my child and pay for someone else to watch him. Doesn't make sense. This is why I am changing providers. Good luck.
Agreed. You lose certain privileges when you become self-employed, PTO being one of them. However, if the provider keeps getting new clients, what motivation does she have to change? I think it's steep, and the best message you could send is to find another provider.
02-20-2012 11:27 AM
MissAnn
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
People who are looking not to pay when their child are not present or do not want to pay for vacation day-offs for the provider need to seek the title "baby-sitter" to watch their children. Fact of the matter is that people will seek the cheapest route and will make excuses to justify their reasons. It makes you wonder what are their priorities? Many, not all, have treated my business as that of a baby-sitter until it's tax time, then I am a business again. If you are a home provider and you are caring for more than 3 children then you are required to have a license. It is this very reason that I explain to the parent that they are reserving a spot on the license when they sign a contract. No matter if they bring their child or not, if they want to keep their spot. Payment must be received. My daycare is incorporated, fully licensed and insured. Not all providers will meet these requirements. Let's focus on my daycare as for I cannot speak for the others. My rate is $125 per week per child(all ages). The hours of operation are from 6am to 6pm or in simpler terms 60 hours. This does not include the time for preperation nor the time for clean up, grocery shopping, paperwork, emails, phone calls, etc...I actually awake at 5am preparing for opening and do not finish my day until 7PM the hour after close for cleaning purposes. This will increase my work hours to 70 hours a week plus the hour it takes to buy groceries of supplies ( which we do on Sunday's, a day that we are closed) bringing the total to 71 hours a week dedicated to my business. This equates to $1.76 per hour that I am making-from one childs daycare spot for the week. My wife has a teaching degree and runs a structed enviroment for the children in an actual daycare facility in our home. Our facility is better than a few of the local business daycares (this coming from the parents in our daycare, a reason why they left previous daycares in the first place due to cleanliness, and a structured loving environment). Our license is that of a business license except that we run our business from our home. The license is called a group home daycare license. It is this very reason that we follow the same guidelines of those daycares and close the same days that they are closed. Meaning that we expect paid vacation days off. Don't fall into the understanding that just because we work from home that we can be classified as baby-sitters, but instead understand that we care for your children as if they were our own. What is your child's good health and well being worth to you? Honestly one shouldn't be worried about paying one of the most important people in your life a little bit extra each year. If that doesnt do it for you then chalk it up this way; Each year the licensed childcare provider is required by law to complete 15 plus hours of classes to keep them up-to-date on all of the state requirements and changes in the guidelines for a licensed facility/ home. This also keeps the provider and all of it's employees (my wife and I) motivated and educated to do their JOB. So, take those 15 plus hours and apply that extra "provider vacation" money to that. We work hard for what we have as does ANY licensed childcare provider and we deserve the wages that we make.

Oh my goodness....I misread your first sentence and you almost got a disgruntled reply! So glad I kept reading. Last week I worked an average of 67 hours per year. My pay ended up being $5.77 per hour. My dream is to make minimum wage! We have time when kids are present which I call job #1. Then there's the paperwork, planning, groceries and cleaning which I call job #2. Today is a non paid holiday for me....and I have worked all day. I never have a true day off. when I have no job #1 for a day....I amp up the job #2 so I won't fall too far behind. If I take a fun day with my husband......daycare is always on my mind and a huge part of our conversations. We also experience damage to our homes.......my carpet is falling apart and I can't afford to replace it. My walls have damage because of improperly hanging stuff that is required and also because face it.....kids cause damage. Not charging when kids don't come????? Well, my bills are still due. The perfect solution? You can choose to have contracted days or you can take your chance every time you bring your child that I am not already full for that day.....and you will also pay an extra $5 per day. You choose! Why would I not take vacations and Holidays? I need time to relax and to keep motivated to do my job. Do you really want a provider that never has days off or a vacation. We can't afford to take these without pay.....$5.77 and hour pay enough to afford even a stay at home vacation! We are professionals. I have a degree in ECE, I'm a 3/3 star program, I cook very nutritios meals, and I teach, provide awesome and educational materials.....and buy more and more every month......I want clients that look at this program first for quality....and second for "how much".

Sorry.....I feel better.....I agree with your entire post!
02-20-2012 10:01 AM
Unregistered People who are looking not to pay when their child are not present or do not want to pay for vacation day-offs for the provider need to seek the title "baby-sitter" to watch their children. Fact of the matter is that people will seek the cheapest route and will make excuses to justify their reasons. It makes you wonder what are their priorities? Many, not all, have treated my business as that of a baby-sitter until it's tax time, then I am a business again. If you are a home provider and you are caring for more than 3 children then you are required to have a license. It is this very reason that I explain to the parent that they are reserving a spot on the license when they sign a contract. No matter if they bring their child or not, if they want to keep their spot. Payment must be received. My daycare is incorporated, fully licensed and insured. Not all providers will meet these requirements. Let's focus on my daycare as for I cannot speak for the others. My rate is $125 per week per child(all ages). The hours of operation are from 6am to 6pm or in simpler terms 60 hours. This does not include the time for preperation nor the time for clean up, grocery shopping, paperwork, emails, phone calls, etc...I actually awake at 5am preparing for opening and do not finish my day until 7PM the hour after close for cleaning purposes. This will increase my work hours to 70 hours a week plus the hour it takes to buy groceries of supplies ( which we do on Sunday's, a day that we are closed) bringing the total to 71 hours a week dedicated to my business. This equates to $1.76 per hour that I am making-from one childs daycare spot for the week. My wife has a teaching degree and runs a structed enviroment for the children in an actual daycare facility in our home. Our facility is better than a few of the local business daycares (this coming from the parents in our daycare, a reason why they left previous daycares in the first place due to cleanliness, and a structured loving environment). Our license is that of a business license except that we run our business from our home. The license is called a group home daycare license. It is this very reason that we follow the same guidelines of those daycares and close the same days that they are closed. Meaning that we expect paid vacation days off. Don't fall into the understanding that just because we work from home that we can be classified as baby-sitters, but instead understand that we care for your children as if they were our own. What is your child's good health and well being worth to you? Honestly one shouldn't be worried about paying one of the most important people in your life a little bit extra each year. If that doesnt do it for you then chalk it up this way; Each year the licensed childcare provider is required by law to complete 15 plus hours of classes to keep them up-to-date on all of the state requirements and changes in the guidelines for a licensed facility/ home. This also keeps the provider and all of it's employees (my wife and I) motivated and educated to do their JOB. So, take those 15 plus hours and apply that extra "provider vacation" money to that. We work hard for what we have as does ANY licensed childcare provider and we deserve the wages that we make.
02-16-2012 06:26 AM
Angelwings36 As a childcare provider....

I put in 50 hours a week on the clock with my families plus approximately 5 hours a week running errands/doing pre for the daycare itself. That's about 15 hours a week of overtime which I don't get paid for. In four weeks I put in approximately 60 hours of overtime, with no overtime pay.

I do not get a designated break in my 10 hour shifts.

I do not get yearly bonuses.

I do not get a benefit package.

I do not get offered a rrsp plan through work.

For this reason I take all stat holidays off with pay. I take 3 weeks of paid holidays per year. I also reserve 5 paid personal days per year that I can take as needed for a illness, a funeral, a appointment, etc...

I would never accept a family who had a problem with my paid time off and I do not allow anyone to get away without paying for my time off.

My contract states:

Upon the termination of your childcare space you will be required to pay out any paid holidays to myself that you currently owe. Since I am entitled to 3 weeks of paid holidays per year, if your child attended daycare for one year you will be required to pay for 3 weeks of my paid holidays or part of 3 weeks if I have not taken all 3 weeks of paid holidays. If your child attended daycare for 8 months you will be required to pay for 2 weeks of my paid holidays or part of 2 weeks if the I have not taken all 2 weeks of paid holidays. If your child attended daycare for 4 months you will be required to pay for 1 week of my paid holidays or part of 1 week if I have not taken all of 1 week of paid holidays.

Because of this paragraph families can not drop care with me the month before my scheduled holidays.

If I didn't get paid stats, paid holidays or paid personal days I would no longer run a daycare.

I opened a daycare because I love children, I didn't open a daycare because I wanted to be "less" than the rest of the world. I deserve my paid time off just like everyone else in the world. Honestly, I deserve overtime pay too, but we all know that's not likely.

P.S. I'm not bitter I'm just really firm on my stand.
02-15-2012 02:25 PM
Countrygal If I could figure out how to post a poll, I'd love to post one to see just how many of us owner/providers actually charge for paid time off and what type: Paid vacation, paid sick leave, paid holidays, paid personals, other.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to do it......
02-15-2012 12:57 PM
AnneCordelia I also get paid for statutory holidays. I don't charge for my own sick time or vacation (up to 3 weeks) but I do charge for stats. I get my first of the year this coming Monday!

My clients are all aware of my policies when they sign into care. There are plenty of other daycares in my area and many of them don't charge when the child does not attend. Parents here have options.
02-15-2012 09:29 AM
cheerfuldom I get paid holidays and vacations and have no problem whatsoever with that. My daycare parents are well informed with my practice. If they don't like it, they are welcome to take their business elsewhere. Its a benefit of running my own business, I make the rules.
02-15-2012 07:19 AM
CheekyChick As a child care provider - I charge for federal holidays only. I would NOT feel right charging parents for MY personal vacation or MY sick days.
02-07-2012 01:32 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
As a daycare provider, why can't we take paid vacation? You do.
Don't assume everyone gets paid vacation! That is so not the case. Plenty of people don't get paid vacations or sick time or any benefits at all.
02-07-2012 12:25 PM
blessedmess8 Here's my 2 cents: I don't charge for my personal days off, but do charge for holidays. I just recently added the holidays and my daycare parents expressed no regret in paying me for such. In fact, most said they were happy to. I try to be reasonable about the holidays and if the majority of my parents have to work a holiday (say... columbus day? lol), I'm not going to close. But, when everyone else is off with their paid holiday (because all my parents get paid holidays), I think they are A-ok with paying me for that day. Now, on my personal days off, I feel differently. I don't feel ok charging for that - especially when they may have to hire someone else for that day.
12-30-2011 02:00 PM
Christian Mother It is very very important to make sure that when you read your parent hand book you understand everything that is written in it. If there is ANY thing you do not understand or agree with you need to communicate that to your provider. It's your responsibility ask the questions bc they are already outlined for you. The provider has already put them forth for your consideration. Never sign something you do not agree with. By signing you are agree 100% to what is written and can not dispute it. They may seem unreasonable or unethical to you or other parents but there not unheard of. Ever provider has the right to ask for his or her own wants and each and ever parent has the right to disagree. You are entering into a contract that is binding so make sure you understand what you are agreeing to. Let me point out that taking care of children is one of the most thankless jobs ever provided yet many many do it because they LOVE it. Not because they have to. Many are not in it to make money. I would have to say that providers go above and beyond to care for their daycare families. If they are truly recognized by what they do for their child/ren they will pay vacation time bc those children are coming back to them safe and well loved. They do what they can to show appreciation in that they follow rules and guidelines set forth. Even sending cards and gifts. We deserve to have our families respect us. We really do love our families and try to be fair.
12-27-2011 03:49 PM
Ariana
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Originally Posted by Michael View Post
The best way to help you understand is for you to run your own business/daycare. That usually clears up a lot of confusion. Usually a contract spells out the services rendered and it is not hidden the small print. The fact that paid holidays are a consistent expectation amongst providers must tell you something; it's a fair business practice.
Exactly! I personally do not charge for my vacation but I give myself 20 days worth of vacay (or 4 weeks). I DO get paid for all stat holidays as well as 10 personal/sick days and if YOU the parent goes on vacation.

If YOU don't like it, find another provider. Pretty simple! Don't sign my contract and then tell me you think it's unfair. Don't compare me to other businesses either. I provide a service and with that service a contract is signed so essentially I can set the terms I want.
12-27-2011 02:27 PM
Daycaremomof2 When I worked outside the home, I got 2 weeks of paid vacation, 5 paid sick days, and 5 personal days- all paid. I worked 8 hour days, 40 hours a week, and got a consistent 1 hour lunch break, with two 15 minute breaks a day. (I was also paid 3x's more than what I make as a provider- but that's the sacrafice that I made for my kids so I don't mind). I now run an in-home daycare, working 10 hour days, 50 hours a week. I don't get a lunch "break" at all. If my daycare kids are all asleep at the same time (IF), then I usually spend that time cleaning up from their messes. And IF everything happens to be clean, I still do not get a real "break," because I am still responsible for your child, and cannot fully relax with the weight of that responsibility on my shoulders. I work very hard wiping noses, kissing boo boo's, giving lots of hugs, teaching manners, and busting my tail everyday, all day, to provide the most caring environment for YOUR child while you are away at the office. I teach preschoolers how to read and write, babies how to crawl, walk, and sign, and most importantly, give each and every child a loving, safe, consistent environment while you are away trying to provide for your family too.

Are you seriously complaining about some paid holidays?

PS: A family vacation and break will reinvigorate your provider, and she will come back 100% better (better for your kids) when she gets back. You get what you pay for- do you really want to send your kids to a daycare where the provider doesn't get to take a real break or vacation? Would you want a surgeon operating on you after a 24 hour shift? Come on!
12-27-2011 07:25 AM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by kayla View Post
Sounds like you are jelous and would like a job in our field. I dare you!! And its not that easy we are watching multiple children and i find myself with no time for those things. hilarious
Kayla~ Chickenhauler (the person you quoted) is/was a Senior Member of this forum and his wife DOES run a daycare.

I am pretty sure he is familiar with the ins and outs of this business.....and that it isn't easy. (His post was in support of childcare.)
12-26-2011 05:17 PM
kayla
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Originally Posted by Chickenhauler View Post
That's per child....if you have 5 kids in your care, that's $400-$750 per week.

How many people make that kind of money with no commute, can wear sweats and T's to work, and do their laundry/dusting/dishes/etc on the clock?

Add to that, you don't have to pay DC bills for your own kids, and that ain't cheap.
Sounds like you are jelous and would like a job in our field. I dare you!! And its not that easy we are watching multiple children and i find myself with no time for those things. hilarious
12-23-2011 12:47 PM
Crystal I'm so glad I have such appreciative parents. They GLADLY paid me for the four days I have off for the holidays, AND gave me nice bonuses to boot
12-23-2011 12:46 PM
permanentvacation Kgravino,

My answer to your original questions are...

Neither of you are the employee or employer. It's a sole proprietor (childcare provider/business owner) and a client (child's parent(s)). I assume that the childcare provider showed you a contract that listed the paid holidays/vacations that she takes. If so, when you read that contract, you had the option to either agree to them or not. If you did not agree to them, you did not have to hire her. You could have continued to look for a childcare provider who does not take paid days off. However, since you did choose to hire her, you really have no right to fuss about what you have already agreed to.
12-23-2011 08:41 AM
Unregistered I struggle with this as well and I will tell you that it makes me downright ANGRY!!! I know for a fact that if I were working PART-TIME just as my child is going to daycare part-time {she is school aged and only attends 2 hours per day} I would not get paid vacation or paid sick time working only 2 hours a day!!!
05-16-2011 01:41 PM
Michael The best way to help you understand is for you to run your own business/daycare. That usually clears up a lot of confusion. Usually a contract spells out the services rendered and it is not hidden the small print. The fact that paid holidays are a consistent expectation amongst providers must tell you something; it's a fair business practice.
05-16-2011 12:29 PM
Unregistered Here's where I think some of the childcare providers are getting confused about vacation and other paid time off:

The parents are merely customers. *They* are not business owners or anyone's employers.

The obligation of the parents is only for the service that the childcare provider provides.

Only employers may have an obligation to pay vacation and sick time (and even holidays) if that is part of the hiring parameters, and only if that is agreed to when the employee is hired (which, I'll remind you, is not always the case).

Childcare providers are in business for themselves. That, like any other home-based business, means that you have no one above you - no one to tell you what to do, and no one to bail you out when you're in a jam. That's the downside of owning your own business - any kind of business, regardless of how much money you make. When you go into business for yourself, you realize the costs and count the rewards, and if you fail to do this, then you deal with the consequences without projecting them onto someone else. It sounds harsh, but that's reality. To sit there and throw out every penny and justify your cause is childish. I don't care if you make $10 a week at the end of the week. That is not my problem. I am the customer; I am not your employer and I do not own a business where you are my employee, therefore I have no obligation whatsoever to pay for your time not worked.

It is interesting to note that many of you said you charge a low weekly rate and can barely make ends meet, therefore, you deserve a paid vacation and sick time. This is illogical. What you charge is not the fault of the parent. Plus, it sounds to me like you are charging less than you should as a way to entice parents into your service and then pull a fast one by expecting them to pay for your time off - services not rendered (even if you whip out the contract and gloss over the fine print). It would be more honest for you to charge up front what you need to charge to cover for all expenses to operate your business -including any potential time off - meaning instead of $100 weekly fee, it should be more like $120 or something to that effect. And then any vacation or sick time would be $0 - or a moot point since parents are not obliged to cover you as if you were their employee.

You are not their employee. You are their service provider.

Anything beyond that is gravy - in both directions. Since this is a home-based business that involves more intimate psychological and emotional involvement than, say, a plumber who fixes your inanimate toilet, there are certain additional rewards that a childcare provider *might hope* for. But, gifting and sharing of the familial bond takes time and you have to develop trust and agreement between the parties. It is not something to be contracted by saying you must provide me with vacation pay and sick time.
01-26-2011 08:21 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Chickenhauler View Post
That's per child....if you have 5 kids in your care, that's $400-$750 per week.

How many people make that kind of money with no commute, can wear sweats and T's to work, and do their laundry/dusting/dishes/etc on the clock?

Add to that, you don't have to pay DC bills for your own kids, and that ain't cheap.
You almost sound like one of the complaining parents that can NEVER understand the costs associated with childcare. I'm not sure where you live or why your wife has no investment costs but where I live GREAT preschools (now beginning at age 2) and daycares are EVERYWHERE making it very difficult to keep the "commodity of kids" coming in. I must say that I'm suprised...you don't sound like you have any idea of what costs are associated with being a provider. Don't you guys have insurance (although ours is probably more expensive in NY), food, activities, curriculum costs, cleaning costs, STAFF? I have 5 children but pay $2,000 a month in staff alone because unfortunately the kids aren't dropped off and picked up at my door so I need other people to help. Whatever your situation is, it certainly isn't the same for everyone. People ..mostly parents...on this site seem to be really narrow minded. Seriously. - WOW you make $750 a week without even considering the costs? That's $3,000 a month, before taxes, insurance, food, curriculum, cleaning, STAFF... SERIOUSLY?!
01-14-2011 03:32 PM
Unregistered Well to the OP, think on the bright side. Some people have it worse. I work for a dc provider and while she charges parents a flat rate which includes paid holidays, we dc employees don't reap any of the benefits. Sick days, vacation days, holidays, snow days, funerals, doctors appts., come out of our own pockets - which means no pay. Forget about medical benefits. We work hard (changing diapers, wiping noses, cleaning toilets, feeding and teaching children from infants through K) and most of us make minimum wage. And if we don't like it, there is someone who will gladly take our job. Me... I'll take it because it pays some bills and I love the children. I have neighbors losing their homes because they can't find work....

Oh and if we DO take an unpaid vacation, no one is hired to replace us. The remaining employees usually do double duty to pick up the slack.

But I have to go with what others have said that if you sign a contract, you must abide by it. If you don't agree, just look elsewhere.
01-14-2011 11:01 AM
dEHmom I did not read every post as I just spent way too long reading the first half.

I'm not responding about ANYTHING I read but the original post.

This is my opinion........

As a provider, I do not expect you to pay for my holidays. However, I expect a monthly fee regardless of days/hours used. This is so that I know how much income I have coming in, and I can adjust my bill payments and expenses accordingly.

If... I think I'm getting 100 dollars this friday, and I go out and buy something on sale on my credit card, fully expecting to pay that back on friday, and you decide you are not bringing your child next week for the week because you are taking a last minute vacation, well, hmm......What am I going to do now?

If...you become sick tonight, and you won't be bringing your child for the rest of the week, should I have to then take a loss in my income even though I was ready, willing and capable of work today tomorrow and the next day?

If I decide to shut down for a week because of a family emergency, and I have to fly to _____ to deal with funeral arrangements or such, are you going to pay me for bereavment (no idea how to spell that) like most employees do? How about for Jury duty? This is time I was not expecting to have off, this is time where I will incur EXTRA expenses that I wasn't originally planning on. As a business owner, I can't expect myself to get paid when there is no money to pay this.

Most people on average can afford to put aside 10% of their paycheque into savings, but we are already putting aside approx 20% of our paycheques to put towards taxes (well some of us anyway) at tax time. If you are paying me 100/wk, that's 20 dollars I'm putting aside minimum. That means I have 80 dollars for the week to pay bills, buy gas, buy groceries FOR YOUR CHILD, feed myself and my family, etc etc. We also do not get group benefits, so should we choose to buy into benefits we are doing so at a much higher rate. We still need to go to the dentist, and fill prescriptions and what not. Ever consider what your prescription would be without your coverage?

Some daycare providers don't have their service maxed out, I know I don't. Currently I am trying to fill my full time spot. But I have 3 children of my own, allowed a max of 4 children INCLUDING my own, and only one of mine is in school full time. SO I only have 2 spots available, and I have to turn families down because I have one under 2 and one over 2 slots available and theirs are 3 and 5 yrs old, or something like that. So I can't just take anybody who wants to use my service.

So to sum it all up, no I don't expect you to pay me for my vacation off, but just remember when you're huffing and puffing about having to pay for days that you aren't bringing your child, that I work for WELL BELOW minimum wage. I often get a card for xmas, I feed, care for, and love your child, instill values in your child that will last a lifetime, I teach your child manners, maybe even how to use the potty, I SPEND MORE WAKING HOURS IN A DAY WITH YOUR CHILD THAN YOU, so please just respect the policies I have set out. If you signed it, you agreed to it, end of story. If you find that I charge too much, I'd like you to look around and see what other people are charging before you complain or walk away.

If everyone looked at it like some make it seem, like we chose to work from home, and watch kids for next to nothing, and yada yada, then there would be no daycare providers. Good luck finding a center with 1 opening for your child.
01-14-2011 10:58 AM
MissAnn
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Jen, I have a question. My kids are currently attending a local daycare facility. In their policies it states which days of the year the daycare will be closed. There was Thanksgiving, but no mention of the day after Thanksgiving. To my surprise I went to drop off my children the day after Thanksgiving and it was closed. Not only was it not in the policies, but it wasn't posted anywhere. I assumed it was a normal day because many people do have to go back to work. I requested to be refunded for that day because it was not in the stated closure dates for the year. I was wondering if there is laws or regulations that oultine closures? I couldn't find anyhting anywhere. I asked you this question because I noticed that you were an owner.
I think you deserve a refund as well. I noticed that in my own policies I neglected to mention what would happen on snow days. This week the county schools have been closed. I neglected to say that I stay open for these days. It's my own fault.....so I did not charge for those days. I will be updating my policies soon!
01-14-2011 10:51 AM
MissAnn
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That's per child....if you have 5 kids in your care, that's $400-$750 per week.

How many people make that kind of money with no commute, can wear sweats and T's to work, and do their laundry/dusting/dishes/etc on the clock?

Add to that, you don't have to pay DC bills for your own kids, and that ain't cheap.
I find this very offensive. Come to my house and you will see a quality program. There is no time for personal business because i am busy teaching. I don't do dishes or other housework on the clock unless it's childcare related. I don't wear sweats and T's, I wear a uniform. I work over 10 hours a day. I have a degree in Early Childhood Education. And guess what.....I made less than $10,000 last year! You bet I deserve vacation and holiday pay!
01-14-2011 10:41 AM
MissAnn
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Crystal, I think the way you run your daycare/business is very fair and if you were out where I lived I would be asking you if you had any open spaces. I believe that the way you are fair about your business is probably why you are successful and maybe it that some other providers who run their business differently, is part of the reason as to why they have less children to care for which inturn affects their revenue. A few daycare providers should take some notes from you. Kudos to you.
While I am sure Crystal is a wonderful caregiver who runs her own quality program....you should never base your decision on who cares for your children solely on expected fees.
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