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10-06-2012 04:05 PM
Blackcat31 If you stop and think about what things we DO exclude children for, I bet 95% of the reasons are "symptoms" not actual the actual illness.

If I remember correctly a person is most contagious 1-7 days BEFORE actually getting sick. Once they get sick, they get a fever or a rash, vomiting or diarrhea which are all symptoms of an illness. The illness has already been "set free" so to speak.

So why not just view teething as an illness and the diarrhea as a symptom? I exclude for diarrhea when associated with any other illness so why not teething too?

If teething produces the same symptoms as common illnesses, then the same exclusion policies should apply.

Seems simple enough to me. Exclude for symptoms not causes.

I haven't really thought about it before as I have just always been really clear about the fact that I exclude for diarrhea NO MATTER WHAT CAUSES IT.

It's gross and I don't get paid enough to deal with that much s*@t. kwim?
10-06-2012 10:20 AM
Originally Posted by cheerfuldom View Post
It really doesnt matter why this child is having diarrhea....I wouldnt take care of a child that had liquid poo because it is unsanitary when a diaper cannot contain the mess.

OP, start interviewing for a new family that is willing to pay your current rate and the term this other family.
It doesn't matter the cause, more then 2 explosive out the diaper poops, and they go home and stay home until no more loose stools.

It's too hard to chase kids and clean poop from carpets, furniture and the kids themselves.
10-05-2012 05:05 PM
Angelsj For the record, Nickel, if that happens again, try (inside the white box) right click, and choose "undo." Often with laptops, you highlight a section of text accidentally and when you type the next letter, it erases. You can generally "undo" that action, even if you have to hit it a couple of times.
10-05-2012 10:38 AM
Nickel Well, thank you all for the comments. I am glad that I am not alone in this. i felt like the bad guy but I have to protect the other children in my care. The other thing is the child has no drool what so ever. None. I don't think it's teething at all, but either way I am not taking a sick child. And sick to me is Diarrhea, vomiting, fever, eye gook, etc... I am really hoping she terms on her own. But I already have an ad out and am hoping I can pick up another family soon. And I am also thinking about only taking children over 2.
10-05-2012 10:25 AM
littlemissmuffet And regardless, nobody wants to clean up constant runny/explosive poops. Sorry, but that's the job of mom/dad
10-05-2012 10:23 AM
littlemissmuffet Actually, teething does NOT cause diarhea, and you would be very hard pressed to find many doctors who say that it does. I have talked to 30+ doctors (some of whom are peds) who ALL disagree that teething causes diarhea or high fevers. I have done PLENTY of research in the matter as well ( ; ; ;

Teething is NOT contagious. So why is it that every single time a parent has ever blamed their child's illness on teething that my whole house gets sick within a week??? EXACTLY!
10-05-2012 10:11 AM
Willow I wouldn't just request a note from the doctor at this point, but stool sample results. Parents far too often will gloss over things and get doc on board with thinking the daycare provider is just overreacting without even taking a second glance at the child.

I had to go that far with one of my families and although I know they weren't happy about it I wasn't happy with the state of kiddos bum or my carpet where ever he was sitting when it exploded out the sides.
10-05-2012 09:51 AM
cheerfuldom It really doesnt matter why this child is having diarrhea....I wouldnt take care of a child that had liquid poo because it is unsanitary when a diaper cannot contain the mess.

OP, start interviewing for a new family that is willing to pay your current rate and the term this other family.
10-05-2012 09:44 AM
Live and Learn 2 diahreah episodes in one day and the child goes home no matter the excuse or doctor's note. I tell my parents when I interview that when in doubt I refer to our local school district sick policy, the Center for Disease Control, and the Mayo Clinic before I choose to exclude for sickness. I make the decision for the protection of my group. Not the doctor. No case of "teething" is going to cause the diahreah you have described. Something else is going on. Maybe too much fruit or juice at home? Good luck.
10-05-2012 03:39 AM
daycarediva runny stools from drooling and swallowing saliva? Yes.

liquid stools for two weeks? Nope.

I would ask for a dr's note.
10-04-2012 06:13 PM
Nickel this little girl is having liquid diarrhea multiple times a day with a severe diaper rash for 2 weeks. Having runnier stools than normal, maybe teething. But she had a stomach virus last week and now it it just teething???
10-04-2012 05:16 PM
itlw8 It is not a symptom but ds#1 always did last winter I had 3 teething and yep all of them did along with diaper rash luckily only 1x a day. it was not like when you are sick and you do it everytime you eat.

Glad the whole group has all their teeth now.
10-04-2012 05:10 PM
Live and Learn If you google "teething Mayo Clinic" you will see that according to their researchers diahreah is NOT a symptom
10-04-2012 05:02 PM
seebachers I beg to differ....I have a little one here that is almost a year old and it is totally from teething. Even had her stools tested. Explosive diarrhea and it happens when she has more than one tooth coming in at a time.

It isn't common but yes it does happen. She was having to have outfits changed everytime because it was soooo much. Didn't have to convince the mom to take her to the doctor, because she was just as alarmed as I was. We totally thought it was some kind of horrible stomach virus.....nope....just teeth
10-04-2012 04:26 PM
EntropyControlSpecialist I would let her know that her rates will be increasing. There is no reason that she can't be paying what other clients of yours are paying. If she doesn't agree to the rate increase, then she will term herself. Either way, you will get the rate you deserve.

2 weeks of oozing poop? That's not teething. Sorry.
10-04-2012 04:22 PM
Nickel Okay, now I am really aggravated. I hit something on my laptop and it erased my whole post

Anyway.... dcg was sent home last Wed because she had D. She didn't come Mon because she was supposedly spending the day with dcd. So she comes to get dcg and she says to me, I thought she was doing better. She only had 4 D yesterday compared to the 8 she had the day before! WHAT!!!

So she was out Fri, returned Mon with Dr note. I closed Wed because my own daughter got sick. I sent her a msg that night after my dd threw up tellign her I am sorry but I have to close. She said that dcg still had D and it was probably from teething and shots! Nope, sorry I don't believe teething causes diarrhea like that. It may loosen the stools if dcg has excessive drooling or is swallowing a lot of saliva, but it doesn't cause running liquid to ooze out the diaper!

Anyway, I sent her another message today that dd is doing better. No D or V and her apetite is finally increasing!!! She says dcg still has D and a terribly diaper rash! I asked her what her doctor said because it has now been 2 weeks that she has this and could it be the rotovirus or something like that. At the same time she sends me another message saying if I can't watch her she will try to find someone who can...

I then told her she cannot return to daycare until she is symptom free for 24 hours. I have an infant, Lily and myself to worry about. She then replies that she called the dr and he said it's from teething since she is getting 3 molars. AND says that the other children and my health is priority and she understands.

At this point I am thinking this is getting ridiculus. i told her dcg was welcoem to come back to daycare once she no longer had illness symptoms for 24 hours. She was the first family I got back in August when I opened. I am already providing her the cheapest care, I don't charge her for days that she isn't here and I didn't

have her sign a contract. But we did go over this during the interview. I am sort of hoping that she finds another provider. Her spot is worth twice as much as what she pays as it is and now this is just aggravating me. My entire house was sick to include my husband, and both daughters!!! I also have infants here and wouldn't want them to get sick because a parent doesn't want to keep their child at home.

Sorry this is so long, but I am more than a little upset at all of this. Maybe I am just over reacting or being emotional. I know that in daycare kids get each other sick. But to knowingly bring a child here that is just miserable to get everyone else sick isn't right! I am so tempted to terminate care but the little girl is just so sweet and well adjusted.

I should have known better when she told me that she was switching daycares because her previous provider wasn't doing what they agreed on and was raising rates and charging her FT for a PT spot. If I knew then what I know now

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