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10-31-2017 09:54 PM
Trust DayCare Every child has (and should) their nap time, it promotes health both in mentally and physically.

What we must concern is not about range of time but more to quality of the sleep or nap.

If a child sleep in a noisy environment, they might not get a quality sleep even if they sleep for 3-4 hours.

But if they get good quality sleep a one and half hour sleep is more than enough.

It is true that lack of sleep or nap could lead to distraction of focus in learning something new at daycare or at home.

But forcing a children without knowing the background of why they could not take a nap at the daycare schedule is a "rude" way on handling or nurturing children and is not acceptable. (May be the child just wake up at 9am and if you force them to sleep at 10 or 11am they might get frustated instead of following the daycare schedule)

So communication with parents is crucial and have to tell them to adjust the children wake up time if possible.

Mostly children would sleepy in 5-6 hours after they wake up and do some activities.

Best,

Trust DayCare
09-18-2017 03:52 PM
hwichlaz
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Originally Posted by Josiegirl View Post
Ummm yes
me too, if I had to drive home from work, I'd be lucky not to fall asleep on the way
09-13-2017 05:02 AM
daycarediva
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Still trying to get my 4year old asleep! If he wouldn't of had that 2hour nap at school bet he would be asleep by 9-9:30pm!.... He stays up so late because he simply isn't tired at night because he was made to fall asleep in a dark cozy room for 2or3 hours! Then it's crazzzy hard to get him to wake up in the morning because he went to bed so late! I don't get a 2or3hour nap so I'm dead tired during the week after staying up so late trying to get my child asleep! Love our weekends he gos with me to my full time job and i also have my own grooming business on the side. On the weekends he gets no nap and is ready for bed on Saturday and Sunday and wakes up great for going to work with Me! I wouldn't even use a daycare but it's not practical for me to take him to work 7days a week while I work 2jobs just to make it. It's very sad there are cold heart people that do not understand what parents go through. They can't do there job/part to help out the parent a little bit...

I have a state required rest period (it's a regulation for me to have this, cannot 'opt out') and all children lay on their mats for 30 minutes. After that, children not sleeping are able to get up and go into a side room adjacent to our nap room IF they're quiet.

I say if it isn't working for you, find a program that does. If your child fell asleep at my daycare, I would not be waking him up either. You cannot blame daycare for something that is very necessary in a GROUP care setting. Everyone has to be on the same schedule or it's chaos and impossible to meet the NEEDS of each child in care.

At 4, what about afternoon preschool?

Are you wearing him out at night? my daycare kids go to siblings sports, play outside, playground, and have a solid dinner/bath/story/bedtime routine. NONE of my parents have issues. They also nap them on the weekends when needed (eg. child did not sleep in to make up for that time)
09-12-2017 09:53 PM
flying_babyb
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Oh and it's really 11:30pm
Yes but if your child is allowed to stay up all the kids will want to, and wont understand why they cant. even if your child is quiet the others will want to watch what he or she is doing or copy them. Makes it hard. Im guessing your childs not being forced to sleep but asked to lay on a cot and rest and falls asleep. You could ask your daycare to wake your child after a hour, which would mean better night sleep. do you have a nightly routine?
09-12-2017 09:35 PM
Unregistered Oh and it's really 11:30pm
09-12-2017 09:30 PM
Unregistered Still trying to get my 4year old asleep! If he wouldn't of had that 2hour nap at school bet he would be asleep by 9-9:30pm!.... He stays up so late because he simply isn't tired at night because he was made to fall asleep in a dark cozy room for 2or3 hours! Then it's crazzzy hard to get him to wake up in the morning because he went to bed so late! I don't get a 2or3hour nap so I'm dead tired during the week after staying up so late trying to get my child asleep! Love our weekends he gos with me to my full time job and i also have my own grooming business on the side. On the weekends he gets no nap and is ready for bed on Saturday and Sunday and wakes up great for going to work with Me! I wouldn't even use a daycare but it's not practical for me to take him to work 7days a week while I work 2jobs just to make it. It's very sad there are cold heart people that do not understand what parents go through. They can't do there job/part to help out the parent a little bit...
09-12-2017 02:45 PM
Ariana I have seen it time and time again, parents blaming me for crappy night sleep. I lie and tell them their kid didn't nap and by some miracle night sleep improves. I am so over it

None of these kids are getting proper sleep and I have seen it. A 2-3-4 yr old going to be at 9pm?? My 8 yr old goes to bed at 8:30 and my 4 yr old is in bed at 7. They both wake up at 7-7:30am. If your kid comes to me exhausted they nap. End of story.

Having a space at a daycare is kind of like buying season tickets to football. You may not like the choices the coaches are making but no one forced you to sign up.
09-07-2017 05:07 AM
daycarediva
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Originally Posted by mommyneedsadayoff View Post
Your nine month old only sleeps two hours when with you? I could see that for a 2 year old, although most of my twos take a solid three he nap, but an infant needs sleep, just as much as they need food. I imagine they go to bed easily bc they got to spend the day with mom with very little naps and are exhausted. The days they are at daycare, they miss you and come home well rested and ready to spend time with you, so instead of putting them to bed at 7 on those nights, go for a long walk, play at the park, cuddle and read books and lay them down later, like 9, after a warm bath. If your daycare is anything like most, your infant prob still gets a morning and afternoon nap and your toddler prob has rest time from 12-3 or similar hrs. I can totally understand not having a 6 year old nap, unless they are tired, but 9 mos and 2 yrs would be required to nap as they need it for healthy growth and development and are usually VERY tired after playing all morning. Maybe speak with your provider and see what their schedule is during the day so you can adjust your routine at home to accommodate it. If your kids are not used to napping and are only two days a week, I imagine your provider is in a tough spot trying to maintain consistency, so I would be delicate about how you approach it or you may end up finding a new daycare, and like I said, napping is pretty much non negotiable for those young ages in most daycares, so you may be searching for something that is hard to find. Good luck to you!
Unless you have worked in/ran a daycare, it's impossible to get parents to understand this.

They say "Daycare is lazy" but daycare is doing what is developmentally appropriate, state required (rest period) and best for the child. At daycare they are BUSY all day and MOST children I have cared for really NEED a nap. There is very little down time, unlike home.

Why can't we say parents are lazy? (or just want an easy night with kids who pass out from exhaustion right after dinner?)
09-06-2017 06:01 AM
mommyneedsadayoff
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
As a parent and (not as a provider whose job is made easier by long, extended naps), I totally agree with you- especially for a 6 year old! I only have my kids in daycare two days a week (ages 9 months and 2). They go to bed any day I have them easily and on schedule. On days they go to daycare, they are not even tired and I can not get them to sleep until at least 2 hours after their scheduled bedtime. I will be asking the daycare to log their naps for the next month so I can troubleshoot this issue. I hope the daycare will honestly log the naps, as my suspicion is that they are sleeping way over their usual 2 hours.
Your nine month old only sleeps two hours when with you? I could see that for a 2 year old, although most of my twos take a solid three he nap, but an infant needs sleep, just as much as they need food. I imagine they go to bed easily bc they got to spend the day with mom with very little naps and are exhausted. The days they are at daycare, they miss you and come home well rested and ready to spend time with you, so instead of putting them to bed at 7 on those nights, go for a long walk, play at the park, cuddle and read books and lay them down later, like 9, after a warm bath. If your daycare is anything like most, your infant prob still gets a morning and afternoon nap and your toddler prob has rest time from 12-3 or similar hrs. I can totally understand not having a 6 year old nap, unless they are tired, but 9 mos and 2 yrs would be required to nap as they need it for healthy growth and development and are usually VERY tired after playing all morning. Maybe speak with your provider and see what their schedule is during the day so you can adjust your routine at home to accommodate it. If your kids are not used to napping and are only two days a week, I imagine your provider is in a tough spot trying to maintain consistency, so I would be delicate about how you approach it or you may end up finding a new daycare, and like I said, napping is pretty much non negotiable for those young ages in most daycares, so you may be searching for something that is hard to find. Good luck to you!
09-05-2017 09:50 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
My 6 year old should not be required to take a 2-3 hour nap. She does not nap in school. if you lay her down with nothing to do for hours then of course she will fall asleep. If she does take a 2-3 hour nap then she won't go to bed at night. I was told that she could look at books while the others napped, but then they made her lay down for nap anyway. Not happy.
As a parent and (not as a provider whose job is made easier by long, extended naps), I totally agree with you- especially for a 6 year old! I only have my kids in daycare two days a week (ages 9 months and 2). They go to bed any day I have them easily and on schedule. On days they go to daycare, they are not even tired and I can not get them to sleep until at least 2 hours after their scheduled bedtime. I will be asking the daycare to log their naps for the next month so I can troubleshoot this issue. I hope the daycare will honestly log the naps, as my suspicion is that they are sleeping way over their usual 2 hours.
03-14-2017 01:43 PM
Unregistered Who's selfish? Providers don't need breaks from wiping butts, noses, chasing a bunch of kids around?? Is that the regard You have for those who take care of your most precious possesion? My parents bring me flowers and wine! Do you think that your child can't be replaced that same day that you leave for another provider? You obviously just want to put your kids to bed so you can have me time. Just like the parents who don't want their kids to have any screen time during the 9+hrs at daycare so that they can park them in front of a screen at home. You made the decision to breed, did you not consider the sacrifices.
09-10-2016 11:40 AM
Kayschildcare
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As a registered provider, it is mandated that a minimum 2 hour rest period be allowed for children under age 5. I also prohibit drop ins during the nap period as it disrupts the other children. If a child needs to leave early, the parent texts me and I quietly remove them from the nap room and meet the parent at the door with the child. I don't require age 5 and up to nap, but they must have a quiet period during this time as to not disrupt the others. As a group care environment, we cannot make individual accommodations, so please don't request that when you already knew the routine of the program before enrollment. We are not your employee, and our program won't be modified to your requests. You pay tuition to attend our program...just as you pay a dance instructor for your child's dance lessons...you are paying for a service, not my employment. I will be employed regardless of your child's enrollment. Perhaps a nanny you could employ would be a better fit for the OP?
This!
08-25-2016 11:31 AM
daycarediva
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
Who supervises the children while they are in separate/different rooms?

What you do at home with no issue has NO bearing on what providers do with a group of children that are usually a mixed age group too...that's comparing apples to oranges.

As for stopping in at nap time, sure....he ABSOLUTELY has that right. But I also have the right to terminate a parent that disrespectfully puts their needs/wants ahead of the GROUP of children's needs. This dad is MORE than welcome to stop by, but he needs take his child with him when he leaves.

Assuming that payment equates to being in charge is the silliest notion I have ever heard of. Just because you pay does NOT give you the right to dictate how someone runs their business. He pays for his CHILD to be there. He does NOT pay to be there himself.

The amount of unhealthy, untrue and ridiculous information posted in this thread by parents is laughable but sad at the same time.

Instead of trying to dictate how a group providers manages her daily routine, your time would be more effective if you focused on managing your issues with sleep and naps. If your child is getting 2-3 hours of nap and it's causing issues for you, why would you leave your child in a program that isn't suited for her?

As a parent that is your duty and obligation.


I have children who do not nap, they do lie quietly with books while their friends rest. They are on the same routine as the other children. I CANNOT force a child who is NOT tired to sleep.

On days off/weekends, do you get your child up early/same time? I highly doubt it. These kids CANNOT be awake from 6am-9:30pm, which is exactly why the state stepped in and MANDATED rest times for ALL children enrolled in a full day program.
08-25-2016 09:19 AM
Blackcat31
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I'm sorry, but, as a parent, I do know there us a direct correlation between nap times at 4+ and bed times. My daughter does not nap at home and goes to bed easily by 9pm at the latest. All week we struggle to get her to bed by 10:30. Common link, 2-3 hour nap. If a child is placed on a mat in the a quiet place with soft music and so are all the others kids, of course that are going to sleep. Monkey see monkey do with a group of kids. I see no reason why there can't be a dedicated room for the older kids to have quiet time activities.
I'm sorry, but this is forced behavior and can be modified easily. We do it at home with no issues.
As for jumping all over the guy for dtopping in at nap time, get over it. It's his right to check in at any time. He pays to be there and that's his right as a parent whether it upsets your staff or not.

Who supervises the children while they are in separate/different rooms?

What you do at home with no issue has NO bearing on what providers do with a group of children that are usually a mixed age group too...that's comparing apples to oranges.

As for stopping in at nap time, sure....he ABSOLUTELY has that right. But I also have the right to terminate a parent that disrespectfully puts their needs/wants ahead of the GROUP of children's needs. This dad is MORE than welcome to stop by, but he needs take his child with him when he leaves.

Assuming that payment equates to being in charge is the silliest notion I have ever heard of. Just because you pay does NOT give you the right to dictate how someone runs their business. He pays for his CHILD to be there. He does NOT pay to be there himself.

The amount of unhealthy, untrue and ridiculous information posted in this thread by parents is laughable but sad at the same time.

Instead of trying to dictate how a group providers manages her daily routine, your time would be more effective if you focused on managing your issues with sleep and naps. If your child is getting 2-3 hours of nap and it's causing issues for you, why would you leave your child in a program that isn't suited for her?

As a parent that is your duty and obligation.
08-25-2016 09:01 AM
Unregistered I'm sorry, but, as a parent, I do know there us a direct correlation between nap times at 4+ and bed times. My daughter does not nap at home and goes to bed easily by 9pm at the latest. All week we struggle to get her to bed by 10:30. Common link, 2-3 hour nap. If a child is placed on a mat in the a quiet place with soft music and so are all the others kids, of course that are going to sleep. Monkey see monkey do with a group of kids. I see no reason why there can't be a dedicated room for the older kids to have quiet time activities.
I'm sorry, but this is forced behavior and can be modified easily. We do it at home with no issues.
As for jumping all over the guy for dtopping in at nap time, get over it. It's his right to check in at any time. He pays to be there and that's his right as a parent whether it upsets your staff or not.
08-10-2016 10:16 AM
happymom My kid requires a lot less sleep to function than most. He's 4.5y and in center daycare. They do 2 hour naps, it takes him an hour, sometimes longer to fall asleep, many times he does not nap at all, but he must rest on his mat. They will give him a quiet activity if he has not fallen asleep by a certain point. Thankfully my daycare does not have a policy against non-nappers (as they take school aged), but they will not allow him to be disruptive. I have had notes sent home that he was disruptive at nap time and we do our best to address that behavior.

He has a very difficult time at bed time 8pm, also. Many times he is not actually asleep until 10pm. He lays in his bed and his mind races. We have tried everything to help keep his mind at ease, but he is a worrier and will also do things to ensure he stays awake; play with his sheets, rub his eyes, etc.

I agree with whoever said that kids are different and they sleep different, just like adults. Just because your kids are in bed by x time and sleep through the night does not make you a better parent. There are plenty of great parents who have difficult sleepers.
08-09-2016 02:00 PM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post

Kids have different needs, and the best child care will adapt for the children that they have in their care.
Sorry but you are putting the cart before the horse.

YOU need to find a child care that fits your needs as child care programs can't adapt to ONE child's needs so GROUP needs outweigh INDIVIDUAL needs.

If your child can't adapt to the group/program's routine or requirements then you need to find other care arrangements.


fwiw~ my own kid stopped napping at 15 months and slept about 6 hours a night total. Still that way today, 25 yrs later. I am similar and require little sleep to function so I completely understand what you are saying I just don't agree with the thought that child care's need to adapt to individual children's needs when it comes to certain things.
08-09-2016 01:01 PM
Rockgirl
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Reading comments like this on the internet while dealing with a lack of napping with my toddler made me think he just had to nap...and it made my son miserable. I spent 2 hours a day coaxing my 18 month old down for a nap, then again the same thing at bedtime. We've always had a steady routine, etc. When I eventually decided maybe he doesn't need the sleep everyone else seems to need, and just let nap time go, he was instantly in a much better mood. Life was better for all of us.
Few people I encounter have kids with as little nap needs as my kids, so I see why it's hard to understand - some kids just don't need much sleep.

Kids have different needs, and the best child care will adapt for the children that they have in their care.

True--kids do have different needs. You, as the parent, have the responsibility to find a childcare program that meets the needs of your child.

ETA: In my state, rest time is mandatory for a minimum of one hour for all children not yet enrolled in school. It's not an option to just not lay down a 2 yr old at all.
08-09-2016 12:31 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Kids very rarely behave exactly the same at home as they do for others. So, the same stands to reason for sleep too. Your kid probably doesn't WANT to sleep (what kid actually does? They'll miss out on everything, of course!) but at daycare, there is a routine and rules to abide by and most kids will follow the rules, no problem. You can set the same rules at home, but if you do not follow-through the same way, the child probably is going to test you a lot more than they will their dcp. Maybe YOU have to step up and tell her it's time for the dolls to be put away and lay her down like the provider does at nap. Chances are, though, that if you haven't had this routine down the WHOLE time, you'll have a heck of a fight on your hands for at least 2 weeks (That's if you stick with it). My DCK's used to sleep from 12p-2p (usually got up around 1:30 though but the baby would sleep til 2). They ALSO went to bed on time. Why? Because the parents I had enforced their bed time with their kids. They had rituals. Dinner, bath, teeth brushed, bedtime. Every night was the same unless unforseen circumstances arose (rarely). The kids knew what was expected of them and it wasn't a problem. It's only a problem if you make it one and if you do not enforce the rules in your house. And if you did, your child would NOT be up PLAYING at 9:30 at night. Even if they are not "tired" why would you let them do something stimulating when you want them to sleep??
Reading comments like this on the internet while dealing with a lack of napping with my toddler made me think he just had to nap...and it made my son miserable. I spent 2 hours a day coaxing my 18 month old down for a nap, then again the same thing at bedtime. We've always had a steady routine, etc. When I eventually decided maybe he doesn't need the sleep everyone else seems to need, and just let nap time go, he was instantly in a much better mood. Life was better for all of us.
Few people I encounter have kids with as little nap needs as my kids, so I see why it's hard to understand - some kids just don't need much sleep.

Kids have different needs, and the best child care will adapt for the children that they have in their care.
09-14-2015 04:06 PM
Thriftylady
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I pay the daycare to watch my child. I am therefore their employer, they are my employee, you would expect they would work with me on this. Yes I can 'fire' them. The thought has crossed my mind; but all of this is a recent development, so it is a definite consideration (though a huge hassel to move them elsewhere...finding spots for 2 at once is never easy).

Not until you start paying my taxes, my unemployment insurance, my medical insurance as required by federal law and all the other things required by law that you pay as an employer. I run my own business, I work with myself and you you made this statement to me, I wouldn't work with you at all you would be looking for a new provider the same day you said it. Your "hassle" to move them elsewhere wouldn't matter to me a bit at that point.
09-14-2015 04:04 PM
Thriftylady oops quoted wrong reposting!
09-14-2015 10:00 AM
Play Care
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Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
This discussion is getting so old, it should be dead by now.

As daycare providers providing care for a group of children, we need to do what's best for the group of children, and we need to provide cost-effective care for parents.

Part of the way we do that is most of us require an afternoon quiet time. If we didn't, we'd need to provide another staff member just for awake children. Most parents aren't willing or able to pay for that staff member.

If one child is awake, what are the chances that he or she will be quiet enough to allow the other children to sleep? Having two children at home is a very different thing than having 7-10 in a daycare setting. Have you ever been to a child's birthday party? That is what childcare is like...a birthday party for 1-5 year olds EVERY DAY. Oh...and all the parents left the hostess in charge.

Seems to me that I wouldn't go to my husband's car dealership and tell him he's selling cars wrong, or go to my local hospital and tell the nurses how to do their jobs. I don't DO their jobs, so I simply don't have the experience to say "this is how it should be done". Even center people and family childcare people differ in their approaches because of staffing and space.

I've never known a customer service based business person to say "I'm going to do whatever I want...screw the customers". That's NOT our motivation. It's ridiculous. We do what works and follow our regulations. Sometimes, we can't please everyone.

You woudn't go to your bank drive thru and get mad because they can't give you 20 rolls of coin through the drive up tube (I hope). They can't do it, they won't do it. It's unlikely you'd find another bank that will. There's a reason...it DOESN"T work!

09-14-2015 09:37 AM
Heidi This discussion is getting so old, it should be dead by now.

As daycare providers providing care for a group of children, we need to do what's best for the group of children, and we need to provide cost-effective care for parents.

Part of the way we do that is most of us require an afternoon quiet time. If we didn't, we'd need to provide another staff member just for awake children. Most parents aren't willing or able to pay for that staff member.

If one child is awake, what are the chances that he or she will be quiet enough to allow the other children to sleep? Having two children at home is a very different thing than having 7-10 in a daycare setting. Have you ever been to a child's birthday party? That is what childcare is like...a birthday party for 1-5 year olds EVERY DAY. Oh...and all the parents left the hostess in charge.

Seems to me that I wouldn't go to my husband's car dealership and tell him he's selling cars wrong, or go to my local hospital and tell the nurses how to do their jobs. I don't DO their jobs, so I simply don't have the experience to say "this is how it should be done". Even center people and family childcare people differ in their approaches because of staffing and space.

I've never known a customer service based business person to say "I'm going to do whatever I want...screw the customers". That's NOT our motivation. It's ridiculous. We do what works and follow our regulations. Sometimes, we can't please everyone.

You woudn't go to your bank drive thru and get mad because they can't give you 20 rolls of coin through the drive up tube (I hope). They can't do it, they won't do it. It's unlikely you'd find another bank that will. There's a reason...it DOESN"T work!
09-14-2015 09:32 AM
bklsmum
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
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Sorry I mis-spoke. It's not about 'forcing' a child to sleep. What I meant was 'not waking a child up when they need to be woken up to ensure they get an optimal sleep at nighttime'. Just because a child will nap for 2 hours doesn't mean that's best for the health of the child. Think about it.
Preschoolers should get 11-13 hours of sleep at night and naps are in ADDITION to that, not included per the National Sleep Foundation. They also suggest a nap of 1-2 hours per day for ages 3-5.
09-14-2015 09:09 AM
daycarediva
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Originally Posted by bklsmum View Post
No daycare forces sleep but if they children are sleeping for the full two hours then they need the full two hours. At my daycare the kids don't have to sleep but they do have to lay quietly and not disturb the kids that are sleeping. If they do not fall asleep after a reasonable amount of time they can look at books quietly on the mats but everyone is laying down quietly for two hours here.
My daycare children are all over the place as far as rest times. Some nap, some don't. Some nap 30m, some an entire 3 hours. I can't FORCE anything.


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Sorry I disagree. Parenting is not about following what some book says about what an average kid should be doing. It's about knowing your own child and what they need. Lucky for you you have a child that naps well and also sleeps well at night. That makes you lucky, not necessarily a better parent than anyone else.
I know my child. She needs 10 hours of sleep at night, and a 30 minute nap. When she gets that, she is an angel. Why do I have to fight my daycare to ensure she only naps for 30 minutes? If THEY let her sleep longer, it is less healthy for her as she won't get a good sleep at night. The the vicious cycle ensues (tired during day--long nap--won't sleep at night). The onus is on the daycare to follow what the child needs, and if the parent knows they need less sleep the daycare should respect that. They are harming my child by letting her nap too long!!
If your child sleeps enough at night, then theoretically, that child wouldn't need a nap on Monday.

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I pay the daycare to watch my child. I am therefore their employer, they are my employee, you would expect they would work with me on this. Yes I can 'fire' them. The thought has crossed my mind; but all of this is a recent development, so it is a definite consideration (though a huge hassel to move them elsewhere...finding spots for 2 at once is never easy).
I am not anyone's employee. I am self employed and provide a service for which you chose to contract me for.

Now, let's be productive. Have you spoken to the center/child care provider regarding this? What was their policy on naps? Is your child promptly falling asleep at rest and sleeping how long?

I will also be honest- MOST 3yo's still need a nap. Daycare is MUCH different than a lazy day at home. They are physically, mentally and emotionally stimulated. That is why we have regulations about the necessity of down time.

3yo's are also challenging. Most parents have dealt with minor issues with their 2yo's. 3's are MASTER manipulators and need much more consistency, and a harder line with rules and routines.

Is your child staying in bed, behaving, wide awake staring at the ceiling or getting out of bed 100x?
09-14-2015 08:34 AM
childcaremom
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Originally Posted by Rockgirl View Post
As a daycare provider, I am self-employed. If I am following my state's regulations, I can set my own policies. My daycare parents are not my employers.


My daycare families are my clients, not my employer. I am the boss. Can you imagine having multiple bosses, with different expectations, often conflicting, and each expecting you to follow their rules? I don't allow my parents to make the rules or set the policies. I can't. I have my policies in place because they work for me and my daycare. Not all parents agree with them. That's fine. They don't sign on because we aren't a good fit for each other. I am not unreasonable but if a parent request is in conflict with the good of the group it is not going to happen.

Why don't you discuss your issues with your daycare centre or provider? Sounds like your children's needs have changed and are no longer being met by that particular daycare. Therefore, the onus is on you to find something that does meet their needs.

I have similar rest policies. I can't force a child to sleep. I can't force a child to stay awake. I will not wake a child before rest is over. I have turned parents away who don't agree. Parents have not signed on with me who don't agree. We are not good fits for each other. That's fine. I'm ok with it.

If a parent doesn't want their child to participate in rest time, then they are no longer a good fit for my program. I would be replacing them pronto with someone who was.
09-14-2015 08:18 AM
Rockgirl
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I pay the daycare to watch my child. I am therefore their employer, they are my employee, you would expect they would work with me on this. Yes I can 'fire' them. The thought has crossed my mind; but all of this is a recent development, so it is a definite consideration (though a huge hassel to move them elsewhere...finding spots for 2 at once is never easy).
As a daycare provider, I am self-employed. If I am following my state's regulations, I can set my own policies. My daycare parents are not my employers.
09-14-2015 08:16 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by childcaremom View Post
If they are harming your child, why do you keep sending her? Find a different daycare that will meet your child's needs or get a nanny.

Why is it the daycare's fault that you don't like their routine? It is your responsibility as a parent to look out for your child's needs.
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I pay the daycare to watch my child. I am therefore their employer, they are my employee, you would expect they would work with me on this. Yes I can 'fire' them. The thought has crossed my mind; but all of this is a recent development, so it is a definite consideration (though a huge hassel to move them elsewhere...finding spots for 2 at once is never easy).
09-14-2015 08:14 AM
Rockgirl
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In Canada (Ontario), the law says a child must be offered a rest period, but does not have to sleep, and that sleep/rest/quiet time should be afforded the child based on need. Every child is different.




http://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/150137

(2) Every licensee shall ensure that the program in each child care centre it operates is arranged so that,

(a) each child in a licensed toddler or preschool group who receives child care for six hours or more in a day has a rest period not exceeding two hours in length; and

(b) a child in a licensed toddler, preschool or kindergarten group is permitted to sleep, rest or engage in quiet activities based on the child’s needs.
I didn't say the child is required to sleep here. I was agreeing with a previous poster who stated a quiet rest time was offered, and children who didn't fall asleep were offered quiet activities.
09-14-2015 08:12 AM
childcaremom
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Sorry I disagree. Parenting is not about following what some book says about what an average kid should be doing. It's about knowing your own child and what they need. Lucky for you you have a child that naps well and also sleeps well at night. That makes you lucky, not necessarily a better parent than anyone else.
I know my child. She needs 10 hours of sleep at night, and a 30 minute nap. When she gets that, she is an angel. Why do I have to fight my daycare to ensure she only naps for 30 minutes? If THEY let her sleep longer, it is less healthy for her as she won't get a good sleep at night. The the vicious cycle ensues (tired during day--long nap--won't sleep at night). The onus is on the daycare to follow what the child needs, and if the parent knows they need less sleep the daycare should respect that. They are harming my child by letting her nap too long!!
If they are harming your child, why do you keep sending her? Find a different daycare that will meet your child's needs or get a nanny.

Why is it the daycare's fault that you don't like their routine? It is your responsibility as a parent to look out for your child's needs.
09-14-2015 08:01 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Rockgirl View Post
That's how I do it here as well. In fact, that's how my state regulates rest time. Legally, it's not even an option to just let them stay up.
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In Canada (Ontario), the law says a child must be offered a rest period, but does not have to sleep, and that sleep/rest/quiet time should be afforded the child based on need. Every child is different.



http://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/150137

(2) Every licensee shall ensure that the program in each child care centre it operates is arranged so that,

(a) each child in a licensed toddler or preschool group who receives child care for six hours or more in a day has a rest period not exceeding two hours in length; and

(b) a child in a licensed toddler, preschool or kindergarten group is permitted to sleep, rest or engage in quiet activities based on the child’s needs.
09-14-2015 07:58 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by mommyneedsadayoff View Post
The PP said she puts her child to bed at 10 when he has a nap, not me. If she cannot get her kid to go to bed at an earlier time, that is not my problem. My almost 4 year old takes about a 2 hour nap everyday and is still in bed by 8:30. It is called parenting. Making a child skip a nap they NEED so you can get them to bed at 8 after not seeing them all day is pretty ludicrous to me. And ten is not that late, imo. If they get up at 7, that is 9 hours, plus a 2 hour nap and they are right on par with the amount of sleep a young child needs. Easy Peasy!
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Sorry I disagree. Parenting is not about following what some book says about what an average kid should be doing. It's about knowing your own child and what they need. Lucky for you you have a child that naps well and also sleeps well at night. That makes you lucky, not necessarily a better parent than anyone else.
I know my child. She needs 10 hours of sleep at night, and a 30 minute nap. When she gets that, she is an angel. Why do I have to fight my daycare to ensure she only naps for 30 minutes? If THEY let her sleep longer, it is less healthy for her as she won't get a good sleep at night. The the vicious cycle ensues (tired during day--long nap--won't sleep at night). The onus is on the daycare to follow what the child needs, and if the parent knows they need less sleep the daycare should respect that. They are harming my child by letting her nap too long!!
09-14-2015 07:53 AM
Unregistered
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How exactly does one "force" a child to sleep? It isn't possible to force a normal bodily function. That would be like putting a six month old or even a one year old on the potty and "forcing" them to use it. It just can't be done. We legally have to allow them the opportunity to sleep if they need it, and in fact to deny sleep is considered abusive. I will not have child abuse put on me because someone wants me to do something that is considered abuse.
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Sorry I mis-spoke. It's not about 'forcing' a child to sleep. What I meant was 'not waking a child up when they need to be woken up to ensure they get an optimal sleep at nighttime'. Just because a child will nap for 2 hours doesn't mean that's best for the health of the child. Think about it.
09-14-2015 07:24 AM
Thriftylady
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Just as the cdc indicates preschoolers need "in general" 11-12 hours of sleep daily, the generality of the statement implies it likely covers a lot, but not all, kids. I have twin 3 yr olds. One needs about a 90 min. nap daily, the other 30 min. This ensures they go to sleep at night at a healthy time (asleep by around 8-8:30pm). Falling asleep at this time is healthier for them, as they get a longer chunk of total sleep at night (from 8pm to 6am). A daycare that forces my child to nap 120 min. "steals" her nighttime sleep away from her. Then, she only sleeps from 9:30pm to 6am, becomes super cranky and is tired all day. Then, the daycare will 'let her nap' for 2 hours because she is tired. The daycare needs to work with the parents to ensure the best health of each child.
How exactly does one "force" a child to sleep? It isn't possible to force a normal bodily function. That would be like putting a six month old or even a one year old on the potty and "forcing" them to use it. It just can't be done. We legally have to allow them the opportunity to sleep if they need it, and in fact to deny sleep is considered abusive. I will not have child abuse put on me because someone wants me to do something that is considered abuse.
09-14-2015 07:19 AM
mommyneedsadayoff
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As a teenager I think my bedtime was 10pm. Putting a 3 or 4 year old to bed at 10pm is ludicrous.
The PP said she puts her child to bed at 10 when he has a nap, not me. If she cannot get her kid to go to bed at an earlier time, that is not my problem. My almost 4 year old takes about a 2 hour nap everyday and is still in bed by 8:30. It is called parenting. Making a child skip a nap they NEED so you can get them to bed at 8 after not seeing them all day is pretty ludicrous to me. And ten is not that late, imo. If they get up at 7, that is 9 hours, plus a 2 hour nap and they are right on par with the amount of sleep a young child needs. Easy Peasy!
09-14-2015 07:16 AM
Rockgirl
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Originally Posted by bklsmum View Post
No daycare forces sleep but if they children are sleeping for the full two hours then they need the full two hours. At my daycare the kids don't have to sleep but they do have to lay quietly and not disturb the kids that are sleeping. If they do not fall asleep after a reasonable amount of time they can look at books quietly on the mats but everyone is laying down quietly for two hours here.
That's how I do it here as well. In fact, that's how my state regulates rest time. Legally, it's not even an option to just let them stay up.
09-14-2015 07:14 AM
Rockgirl
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It is a silly policy to regulate naps. Every child is different. Those of us that have more than 1 child know that. In fact, I have twins. 1 twin needs about 1 hour more sleep than the other. As they are preschoolers, they fall into the cdc definition of "needing" 11-12 hours. So, one of my twins actually is smack dab in the middle (needs 11.5). The other is on the lower end, needing only 10.5. A daycare that forces a policy of 2 hours at naptime therefore ensures this child doesn't fall asleep until 9:30 or 10pm at night. That's not healthy.
The great thing is that each parent can choose to not enroll their child in a program that doesn't fit their needs/parenting style.
09-14-2015 07:12 AM
bklsmum
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It is a silly policy to regulate naps. Every child is different. Those of us that have more than 1 child know that. In fact, I have twins. 1 twin needs about 1 hour more sleep than the other. As they are preschoolers, they fall into the cdc definition of "needing" 11-12 hours. So, one of my twins actually is smack dab in the middle (needs 11.5). The other is on the lower end, needing only 10.5. A daycare that forces a policy of 2 hours at naptime therefore ensures this child doesn't fall asleep until 9:30 or 10pm at night. That's not healthy.
No daycare forces sleep but if they children are sleeping for the full two hours then they need the full two hours. At my daycare the kids don't have to sleep but they do have to lay quietly and not disturb the kids that are sleeping. If they do not fall asleep after a reasonable amount of time they can look at books quietly on the mats but everyone is laying down quietly for two hours here.
09-14-2015 07:12 AM
Unregistered
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If America only knew how sleep deprived they are all this argument wouldnt exist.

Sorry but your 4 year old who's brain, organs, immune system and the rest of his body is still growing at a rapid rate and the only things that will allow your child to do this in a healthy major is with sufficient sleep.

Perhaps you can familiarize yourself with Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The first thing on it is SLEEP, without it we would die. And without sufficient sleep we can not function with success
I'm not going to get into it and debate this. All children under 5 need naps. I'm 42 and I need naps when I miss sleep.
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Just as the cdc indicates preschoolers need "in general" 11-12 hours of sleep daily, the generality of the statement implies it likely covers a lot, but not all, kids. I have twin 3 yr olds. One needs about a 90 min. nap daily, the other 30 min. This ensures they go to sleep at night at a healthy time (asleep by around 8-8:30pm). Falling asleep at this time is healthier for them, as they get a longer chunk of total sleep at night (from 8pm to 6am). A daycare that forces my child to nap 120 min. "steals" her nighttime sleep away from her. Then, she only sleeps from 9:30pm to 6am, becomes super cranky and is tired all day. Then, the daycare will 'let her nap' for 2 hours because she is tired. The daycare needs to work with the parents to ensure the best health of each child.
09-14-2015 07:06 AM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by mommyneedsadayoff View Post
So, when your kid is at daycare, he sleeps for a 2 hour nap and then goes to bed at 10 pm and gets 8 hours of sleep. So 10 hours of sleep in a day. And when you have him on the weekend, he goes to bed at 8 pm, or 2 hours earlier, which is the same amount of time as he would get in a nap. I am sure he may get to sleep in later on the weekends, but what this tells me is that he actually needs MORE sleep, not less, especially if he sleeps in on the weekends. At 4 years old, I still think getting 12 hours or more is very beneficial, whether that includes naps depends on your daycare or childcare situation. And it is very rude to call people brainiacs in such a negative way. Would you say that to your doctor? Because many of the people on this board have 30+ years in childcare, so you should take their advice and maybe they can help you with your situation. Until then, enjoy the extra 2 hours with your son and let him do his sleeping at daycare, so he can spend time with you when he is awake at home. It doesn't even get dark in my are until almost 11 in the summers, so we use the extra time to hang out and have campfires and watch fire flies. Enjoy it! Don't be frustrated with getting more time with your son!
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As a teenager I think my bedtime was 10pm. Putting a 3 or 4 year old to bed at 10pm is ludicrous.
09-14-2015 07:02 AM
Unregistered It is a silly policy to regulate naps. Every child is different. Those of us that have more than 1 child know that. In fact, I have twins. 1 twin needs about 1 hour more sleep than the other. As they are preschoolers, they fall into the cdc definition of "needing" 11-12 hours. So, one of my twins actually is smack dab in the middle (needs 11.5). The other is on the lower end, needing only 10.5. A daycare that forces a policy of 2 hours at naptime therefore ensures this child doesn't fall asleep until 9:30 or 10pm at night. That's not healthy.
06-04-2015 08:09 AM
daycarediva
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AMEN!!!! My 3 year old (and 10months... So almost 4) just fell asleep at 10pm because his daycare insists he nap for two hours every day! He doesn't nap at all on weekends and goes to bed like a charm by 8pm! I AM SO TIRED of hearing their excuses for why he has to nap!!did any of you brainiac daycare workers consider the fact that some children are napping because they aren't tired at bedtime because they are awake until 10pm, OF COURSE THEY ARE TIRED BY 12:30pm.... They only got 8 hours sleep the night before!! I do not have the option of another daycare as none in my area offer an early drop off other than this one.

BEYOND FRUSTRATED
With that logic, he would NOT need a nap on Monday at daycare because he would have gone to bed like a charm at 8. Why as a daycare provider do I HAVE to set aside additional time for rest time on Mondays, and it gradually decreases by Friday (3 hours Monday-60/90m Friday)

Also, you cannot FORCE them to sleep at night and we do not/cannot FORCE them to sleep at nap if they aren't tired. I am legally obligated to provide rest time accomodations, and if a child sleeps, they obviously need it.

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Originally Posted by daycare View Post
If America only knew how sleep deprived they are all this argument wouldnt exist.

Sorry but your 4 year old who's brain, organs, immune system and the rest of his body is still growing at a rapid rate and the only things that will allow your child to do this in a healthy major is with sufficient sleep.

Perhaps you can familiarize yourself with Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The first thing on it is SLEEP, without it we would die. And without sufficient sleep we can not function with success
I'm not going to get into it and debate this. All children under 5 need naps. I'm 42 and I need naps when I miss sleep.




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Nooooo, your child had to nap because HIS PARENT has him enrolled in a child care facility that does not meet his needs.

If he truly does not need a nap, why are YOU keeping him there?

In my opinion that decision falls on the PARENT not the provider.

The child care facility has a right to have AND enforce any rule they want....including requiring ALL children to nap.

As a parent YOU have a right (and an obligation) to do what's best for your child.....so WHO'S fault is this?

The 'brainiac' provider or the 'irresponsible' parent???
'brainaic' parent?

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So, when your kid is at daycare, he sleeps for a 2 hour nap and then goes to bed at 10 pm and gets 8 hours of sleep. So 10 hours of sleep in a day. And when you have him on the weekend, he goes to bed at 8 pm, or 2 hours earlier, which is the same amount of time as he would get in a nap. I am sure he may get to sleep in later on the weekends, but what this tells me is that he actually needs MORE sleep, not less, especially if he sleeps in on the weekends. At 4 years old, I still think getting 12 hours or more is very beneficial, whether that includes naps depends on your daycare or childcare situation. And it is very rude to call people brainiacs in such a negative way. Would you say that to your doctor? Because many of the people on this board have 30+ years in childcare, so you should take their advice and maybe they can help you with your situation. Until then, enjoy the extra 2 hours with your son and let him do his sleeping at daycare, so he can spend time with you when he is awake at home. It doesn't even get dark in my are until almost 11 in the summers, so we use the extra time to hang out and have campfires and watch fire flies. Enjoy it! Don't be frustrated with getting more time with your son!
spend time with your child. I find most of the issues with bedtimes at home are directly related to lack of routine and low behavioral expectations vs. napping at daycare. Also, your children miss their parents during the day, they WILL try to stay up, be disruptive, act up to get your attention that they didn't receive that day.
06-04-2015 08:05 AM
NightOwl
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
Nooooo, your child had to nap because HIS PARENT has him enrolled in a child care facility that does not meet his needs.

If he truly does not need a nap, why are YOU keeping him there?

In my opinion that decision falls on the PARENT not the provider.

The child care facility has a right to have AND enforce any rule they want....including requiring ALL children to nap.

As a parent YOU have a right (and an obligation) to do what's best for your child.....so WHO'S fault is this?

The 'brainiac' provider or the 'irresponsible' parent???
Also, what she said.
06-04-2015 07:57 AM
mommyneedsadayoff
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
AMEN!!!! My 3 year old (and 10months... So almost 4) just fell asleep at 10pm because his daycare insists he nap for two hours every day! He doesn't nap at all on weekends and goes to bed like a charm by 8pm! I AM SO TIRED of hearing their excuses for why he has to nap!!did any of you brainiac daycare workers consider the fact that some children are napping because they aren't tired at bedtime because they are awake until 10pm, OF COURSE THEY ARE TIRED BY 12:30pm.... They only got 8 hours sleep the night before!! I do not have the option of another daycare as none in my area offer an early drop off other than this one.

BEYOND FRUSTRATED
So, when your kid is at daycare, he sleeps for a 2 hour nap and then goes to bed at 10 pm and gets 8 hours of sleep. So 10 hours of sleep in a day. And when you have him on the weekend, he goes to bed at 8 pm, or 2 hours earlier, which is the same amount of time as he would get in a nap. I am sure he may get to sleep in later on the weekends, but what this tells me is that he actually needs MORE sleep, not less, especially if he sleeps in on the weekends. At 4 years old, I still think getting 12 hours or more is very beneficial, whether that includes naps depends on your daycare or childcare situation. And it is very rude to call people brainiacs in such a negative way. Would you say that to your doctor? Because many of the people on this board have 30+ years in childcare, so you should take their advice and maybe they can help you with your situation. Until then, enjoy the extra 2 hours with your son and let him do his sleeping at daycare, so he can spend time with you when he is awake at home. It doesn't even get dark in my are until almost 11 in the summers, so we use the extra time to hang out and have campfires and watch fire flies. Enjoy it! Don't be frustrated with getting more time with your son!
06-04-2015 06:19 AM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
AMEN!!!! My 3 year old (and 10months... So almost 4) just fell asleep at 10pm because his daycare insists he nap for two hours every day! He doesn't nap at all on weekends and goes to bed like a charm by 8pm! I AM SO TIRED of hearing their excuses for why he has to nap!!did any of you brainiac daycare workers consider the fact that some children are napping because they aren't tired at bedtime because they are awake until 10pm, OF COURSE THEY ARE TIRED BY 12:30pm.... They only got 8 hours sleep the night before!! I do not have the option of another daycare as none in my area offer an early drop off other than this one.

BEYOND FRUSTRATED
Nooooo, your child had to nap because HIS PARENT has him enrolled in a child care facility that does not meet his needs.

If he truly does not need a nap, why are YOU keeping him there?

In my opinion that decision falls on the PARENT not the provider.

The child care facility has a right to have AND enforce any rule they want....including requiring ALL children to nap.

As a parent YOU have a right (and an obligation) to do what's best for your child.....so WHO'S fault is this?

The 'brainiac' provider or the 'irresponsible' parent???
06-04-2015 06:18 AM
NightOwl
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Originally Posted by bklsmum View Post
Us "braniac daycare workers"? Seriously? You may not have the option of another daycare but maybe you should stay home with your special snowflake and open your own daycare and be the bestest most specialist smartest daycare provider ever!
Bahaha! What she said.
06-04-2015 05:20 AM
Unregistered As a registered provider, it is mandated that a minimum 2 hour rest period be allowed for children under age 5. I also prohibit drop ins during the nap period as it disrupts the other children. If a child needs to leave early, the parent texts me and I quietly remove them from the nap room and meet the parent at the door with the child. I don't require age 5 and up to nap, but they must have a quiet period during this time as to not disrupt the others. As a group care environment, we cannot make individual accommodations, so please don't request that when you already knew the routine of the program before enrollment. We are not your employee, and our program won't be modified to your requests. You pay tuition to attend our program...just as you pay a dance instructor for your child's dance lessons...you are paying for a service, not my employment. I will be employed regardless of your child's enrollment. Perhaps a nanny you could employ would be a better fit for the OP?
06-04-2015 04:54 AM
bklsmum
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
AMEN!!!! My 3 year old (and 10months... So almost 4) just fell asleep at 10pm because his daycare insists he nap for two hours every day! He doesn't nap at all on weekends and goes to bed like a charm by 8pm! I AM SO TIRED of hearing their excuses for why he has to nap!!did any of you brainiac daycare workers consider the fact that some children are napping because they aren't tired at bedtime because they are awake until 10pm, OF COURSE THEY ARE TIRED BY 12:30pm.... They only got 8 hours sleep the night before!! I do not have the option of another daycare as none in my area offer an early drop off other than this one.

BEYOND FRUSTRATED
Us "braniac daycare workers"? Seriously? You may not have the option of another daycare but maybe you should stay home with your special snowflake and open your own daycare and be the bestest most specialist smartest daycare provider ever!
06-03-2015 08:18 PM
daycare
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
AMEN!!!! My 3 year old (and 10months... So almost 4) just fell asleep at 10pm because his daycare insists he nap for two hours every day! He doesn't nap at all on weekends and goes to bed like a charm by 8pm! I AM SO TIRED of hearing their excuses for why he has to nap!!did any of you brainiac daycare workers consider the fact that some children are napping because they aren't tired at bedtime because they are awake until 10pm, OF COURSE THEY ARE TIRED BY 12:30pm.... They only got 8 hours sleep the night before!! I do not have the option of another daycare as none in my area offer an early drop off other than this one.

BEYOND FRUSTRATED
If America only knew how sleep deprived they are all this argument wouldnt exist.

Sorry but your 4 year old who's brain, organs, immune system and the rest of his body is still growing at a rapid rate and the only things that will allow your child to do this in a healthy major is with sufficient sleep.

Perhaps you can familiarize yourself with Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The first thing on it is SLEEP, without it we would die. And without sufficient sleep we can not function with success
I'm not going to get into it and debate this. All children under 5 need naps. I'm 42 and I need naps when I miss sleep.
06-03-2015 07:46 PM
Unregistered
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What many child care centres fail to realise is that you cannot force a child to sleep at night if they are not tired. You can have all the bedtime routines in the world, soft music, mummy lying there, it wont work if your child is not tired because they had a long afternoon nap. It is common sense.
What they also fail to realise is that a child going to bed late at night is not only difficult for parents, but it means the child GETS LESS SLEEP. The child wakes at 5.30am as per their normal body clock, gets a total of 7 or 8 hours sleep and is sleep deprived, irritable, uncooperative, difficult and unhappy. The child suffers. The child is not getting enough sleep.

I have read a lot on this thread about 'the child needs to nap' 'the child must need the sleep' but timing that sleep so that the child is able to receive a good 12 hours within every 24 hours, is very important.
My child naps at daycare, she then doesnt get enough sleep at night, we call the following day 'disabled day' - I know my child better than my left hand. I have a bedtime routine that works very well when she doesn't nap during the day. Why would she go to sleep at night if she is not tired?? she doesn't and either would I.

AMEN!!!! My 3 year old (and 10months... So almost 4) just fell asleep at 10pm because his daycare insists he nap for two hours every day! He doesn't nap at all on weekends and goes to bed like a charm by 8pm! I AM SO TIRED of hearing their excuses for why he has to nap!!did any of you brainiac daycare workers consider the fact that some children are napping because they aren't tired at bedtime because they are awake until 10pm, OF COURSE THEY ARE TIRED BY 12:30pm.... They only got 8 hours sleep the night before!! I do not have the option of another daycare as none in my area offer an early drop off other than this one.

BEYOND FRUSTRATED
05-28-2015 11:43 AM
Blackcat31
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Wrong link blackcat! Geez sorry about that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3095909/

This study was done on preschoolers.
No worries...

I think the article states exactly what most providers already know... if kids are given a good sleep routine at home ALL the time, their NEED for an afternoon nap will decrease as they age. It's the same for adults...if we get good restorative sleep at night, we don't need to nap, drink pots of coffee or energy drinks to stay alert and awake during the day.

Unfortunately most kids now days don't have good sleep routines at home. They sleep in the car, are kept up way too late or sleep with the TV on etc etc... and then need to get up early and go to daycare, thus causing them to be sleep deprived during our time with them....only to go home and have the same cycle repeated.

The article says "Restricting daytime naps in preschoolers who lack the opportunity or ability to increase their nighttime sleep might further impair performance significantly" and that part is SOOOOO important.

It's an issue that both parents and providers pass off onto one another and one that is easily solved by making sure both parent and provider are on the same page and have the same expectations for the child as well as open honest communication.

It's like you said.... YOU know your child better than anyone. If you don't believe your child should be napping at 5 yrs old, but the child care still requires it, then it's on YOU to find a care environment that provides the care your child needs.

I personally will NEVER use the argument that my daycare kids have to nap so I can get a break... (I actually cringe when I read that posted by providers but that's a whole 'nother topic of discussion ) and I don't believe nap laws were put into place for that reason.

I believe rest is required in care environments because the activities the children here participate in make them tired...both physically and mentally so they usually need a bit of down time. I don't require kids to sleep but I do require them to rest quietly (I play audiobooks to listen to) for a minimum of 90 minutes. During that time, I am usually feeding a baby or attending to those kids that rest twice a day and are awake during the older kids' rest time so for me that chunk of the day isn't devoted to me and my needs....

Anyways, it was an interesting article but it was done in a controlled environment with a lot of hypothetical elements added in but ultimately I do think the article was informative and useful. It clearly states that each child's brain and cognitive skills develop individually and not all kids mature at the same rate or pace so it's important that parents pay attention to this and find the care environment that best meets the current developmental needs of their child.

In my program, once a child matures beyond needing a nap, they have outgrown my program as a whole.

Thanks for sharing the article though....it was a great read and had some interesting points. I would love it if they conducted this same study in a clinical environment and see if the results are the same or even similar.
05-28-2015 11:25 AM
Unregistered Wrong link blackcat! Geez sorry about that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3095909/

This study was done on preschoolers.
05-28-2015 10:13 AM
Blackcat31
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There have been studies that have been conducted that show that napping during the day affects sleeping during the night inversely. This is a result of this study conducted by the National Institute of Health.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21075238

This study actually shows that sleeping during the day affects cognitive skills adversely. The reason is that naps during the day (especially when they are not needed anymore) cause restless and less quality sleep at night, and this affects cognitive skills poorly. I don't think we need a study to figure this out as it is common sense.

I agree that all children need naps but to a point. Both of my children stopped taking naps at 3. They naturally weened themselves from napping. Now my 6 and 4.5 year old are at pre-school and the 4.5 year old is forced to rest/nap. He won't sleep at night and won't get up in the morning. We have very good routines. The 4 days he is not in daycare he sleeps on time and gets up by himself feeling energetic and happy. I can't say the same thing for the 3 days he is in daycare!

The nap laws were probably established because children were getting hurt in daycares. Let us rememeber that the laws in place to protect the children! Everyone needs a break, yes I get it! But if you don't get a break, the children get hurt. Remember the real reason why there are laws in place to begin with.

I also have learned that no one will raise your own child like you. Never forget that and never stop being an advocate for your own children because no one else will. And if your demands are not being honored I would suggest look arround until you find a high quality daycare that will honor them. It may cost more but it is worth it in the end!
The link says:

Naps (brief sleeps) are a global and highly prevalent phenomenon, thus warranting consideration for their effects on cognitive functioning. Naps can reduce sleepiness and improve cognitive performance. The benefits of brief (5-15 min) naps are almost immediate after the nap and last a limited period (1-3h). Longer naps (> 30 min) can produce impairment from sleep inertia for a short period after waking but then produce improved cognitive performance for a longer period (up to many hours). Other factors that affect the benefits from the nap are the circadian timing of the nap with early afternoon being the most favourable time.
Longer periods of prior wakefulness favour longer naps over brief naps. Those who regularly nap seem to show greater benefits than those who rarely nap.


So I am wondering where you read the things you posted as the link I clicked into seems to support napping as a benefit.
05-28-2015 09:47 AM
Unregistered There have been studies that have been conducted that show that napping during the day affects sleeping during the night inversely. This is a result of this study conducted by the National Institute of Health.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21075238

This study actually shows that sleeping during the day affects cognitive skills adversely. The reason is that naps during the day (especially when they are not needed anymore) cause restless and less quality sleep at night, and this affects cognitive skills poorly. I don't think we need a study to figure this out as it is common sense.

I agree that all children need naps but to a point. Both of my children stopped taking naps at 3. They naturally weened themselves from napping. Now my 6 and 4.5 year old are at pre-school and the 4.5 year old is forced to rest/nap. He won't sleep at night and won't get up in the morning. We have very good routines. The 4 days he is not in daycare he sleeps on time and gets up by himself feeling energetic and happy. I can't say the same thing for the 3 days he is in daycare!

The nap laws were probably established because children were getting hurt in daycares. Let us rememeber that the laws in place to protect the children! Everyone needs a break, yes I get it! But if you don't get a break, the children get hurt. Remember the real reason why there are laws in place to begin with.

I also have learned that no one will raise your own child like you. Never forget that and never stop being an advocate for your own children because no one else will. And if your demands are not being honored I would suggest look arround until you find a high quality daycare that will honor them. It may cost more but it is worth it in the end!
03-09-2015 02:53 AM
Play Care
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I wasn't replying with anything but sincerity... Apologies if it came across as hateful in anyway.....that was certainly not my intent.

My post was made in response to what you shared...

If YOUR child is having sleep issues because of a promise (being allowed to skip nap) then the problem is that she has outgrown her care environment and the solution is to move her to a more age appropriate place.... the problem has NOTHING to do with what the provider does as part of HER daily routine (including requiring ALL her daycare kids to nap).

Whether she (and you) love her provider is a moot point as it plays no role in what SHE needs and she needs to have an environment that meets her needs and the current one is not doing that.

I'm sure leaving her provider will be hard but it's a natural progression of life...she'll probably miss her Kindergarten teacher too...kwim?
This.

Kids grow up and move on. That's a fact of life. Your daughter would probably love a program meant for school aged kids.
I know your case is different as the provider wanted your child to stay, but as the parent you do need to do what's in your child's best interest.
03-08-2015 10:54 AM
e.j.
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Ummm yes
Most days, so could I!
03-08-2015 09:28 AM
Thriftylady I agree that it may be time to move the oldest. It can be very hard for in home child care providers to combine the different ages. Just because you make a move doesn't mean that once in awhile before and after school. It doesn't mean anyone is or has done anything wrong. It just means your little one is growing up and her needs are changing. It really is a positive thing more than it is a negative. Sometimes keeping things they way they always have been just because they have always been that way is the wrong thing to do. Would you not send her to school just because she has never been there and that had been working fine? Of course not, school is part of her growing up! It is a good thing! This is the same really. It may be sad in some ways, but it is also pretty awesome in others.
03-08-2015 08:19 AM
Blackcat31
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I didn't post that to be hateful. I just wanted to share that I too have a problem with my 6 year old and napping at daycare. She is still there because she has been there since she was 1 and it is a very special place for her. The provider asked that she stay even when school started. I have looked into before & after school care and summer care for her. It will be a sad day for all of us when we have to move her.
I wasn't replying with anything but sincerity... Apologies if it came across as hateful in anyway.....that was certainly not my intent.

My post was made in response to what you shared...

If YOUR child is having sleep issues because of a promise (being allowed to skip nap) then the problem is that she has outgrown her care environment and the solution is to move her to a more age appropriate place.... the problem has NOTHING to do with what the provider does as part of HER daily routine (including requiring ALL her daycare kids to nap).

Whether she (and you) love her provider is a moot point as it plays no role in what SHE needs and she needs to have an environment that meets her needs and the current one is not doing that.

I'm sure leaving her provider will be hard but it's a natural progression of life...she'll probably miss her Kindergarten teacher too...kwim?
03-07-2015 07:46 PM
Unregistered
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So switch daycares then.

Why keep her somewhere that isn't doing what you agreed upon?

As a parent it is YOUR responsibility to find care that meets your/your child's needs. It's NOT the providers responsibility to offer only what you want.

As a self-employed business owner, SHE gets to decide what services she will offer. As a parent, YOU get to decide if those services work for you.

If not, find care that will.
I didn't post that to be hateful. I just wanted to share that I too have a problem with my 6 year old and napping at daycare. She is still there because she has been there since she was 1 and it is a very special place for her. The provider asked that she stay even when school started. I have looked into before & after school care and summer care for her. It will be a sad day for all of us when we have to move her.
03-06-2015 10:33 AM
Josiegirl
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Originally Posted by lovemykidstoo View Post
Maybe if parents didn't come at 5:00 to pickup and expect kids to settle down and sleep by 7:30, they may have better luck. Could any of us get home at 5:00 and go to sleep for the night at 7:30?
Ummm yes
03-06-2015 10:32 AM
laundrymom
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31 View Post
So switch daycares then.

Why keep her somewhere that isn't doing what you agreed upon?

As a parent it is YOUR responsibility to find care that meets your/your child's needs. It's NOT the providers responsibility to offer only what you want.

As a self-employed business owner, SHE gets to decide what services she will offer. As a parent, YOU get to decide if those services work for you.

If not, find care that will.
03-06-2015 10:19 AM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
My 6 year old should not be required to take a 2-3 hour nap. She does not nap in school. if you lay her down with nothing to do for hours then of course she will fall asleep. If she does take a 2-3 hour nap then she won't go to bed at night. I was told that she could look at books while the others napped, but then they made her lay down for nap anyway. Not happy.
So switch daycares then.

Why keep her somewhere that isn't doing what you agreed upon?

As a parent it is YOUR responsibility to find care that meets your/your child's needs. It's NOT the providers responsibility to offer only what you want.

As a self-employed business owner, SHE gets to decide what services she will offer. As a parent, YOU get to decide if those services work for you.

If not, find care that will.
03-06-2015 09:46 AM
Unregistered My 6 year old should not be required to take a 2-3 hour nap. She does not nap in school. if you lay her down with nothing to do for hours then of course she will fall asleep. If she does take a 2-3 hour nap then she won't go to bed at night. I was told that she could look at books while the others napped, but then they made her lay down for nap anyway. Not happy.
12-20-2014 07:15 PM
Leigh
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Originally Posted by lovemykidstoo View Post
Maybe if parents didn't come at 5:00 to pickup and expect kids to settle down and sleep by 7:30, they may have better luck. Could any of us get home at 5:00 and go to sleep for the night at 7:30?
I thought the same thing. The kids that I have heard of having sleep issues are the ones who come home at 5:30 or 6, feed their kids and put them straight to bed. Thing is, these providers' observations about naptime come from experience, BUT medical EXPERTS state the same: Kids NEED naps. 12 hours at night is NOT what kids need. They need daytime rest. Until at least age 6. It really saddens me when I hear that "MY kid doesn't need a nap" when the kid is 18 months, 2 years, 3 years old. The ONLY response to that is YES.THEY.DO. The thing for parents to work on is to find a way to make daytime naps work with nighttime sleep. Weekdays AND weekends. KIDS NEED IT!
12-20-2014 04:40 PM
lovemykidstoo Maybe if parents didn't come at 5:00 to pickup and expect kids to settle down and sleep by 7:30, they may have better luck. Could any of us get home at 5:00 and go to sleep for the night at 7:30?
12-20-2014 01:08 PM
daycarediva This is such an old thread.

The same is true for nap time at daycare. You cannot force a child to sleep. The parents who say "these providers are so mean to force children to sleep for X time in the afternoon and now I can't get them to sleep at night before they took a long nap at daycare/preschool/whatever"

^ contradictory statement.

I also don't know a single parent who keeps the evening/bedtime routine consistent. There is real life. Errands, phone calls, rushed meals. Our schedule is always busier/more active for the children as well. It is also so consistent here that after lunch, the kids start prepping themselves for story/cuddles and rest time. At lunch, the kids are saying "I'm so tired!"

I find that children who spend the most 1:1 time with their parents are the easiest to get to bed. Most kids realize that the bedtime fight is a good way to get some easy attention. It's also typically positive attention (more reading, back rubs, snuggles with parent/s).

EVERY MONDAY MORNING like clockwork I have cranky, miserable, whiny kids who are unable to participate to the point that I do NOT plan anything but a laid back/easy going day. Nobody napped, they were dragged from activity to activity and place to place. Late bedtimes. Lots of excitement. Nap times gradually (and noticeably) decrease from Monday (a good 3 hrs) to Friday (60-90 minutes). They get up happier and come in happier as the days progress. I offer children books, busy bags, quiet puzzles and sensory shakers on their mats. They always lay down and go to sleep instead.

I am REQUIRED by the state to offer a rest period. If the children sleep, they sleep.

Sleep begets sleep. Hyperactivity in the evening is most likely an overtired kid. My own 6 year old naps on weekends and breaks from school. He has no problem with bedtime. He comes home from school exhausted by Friday without a nap all week. He sleeps a good 2 hours on weekends and 8-6 M-F. He often falls asleep during our reading in bed.
12-20-2014 10:33 AM
SignMeUp Then, conversely, you cannot force a child to sleep at nap time if they are not tired. Why would they go to sleep at nap time if they are not tired??
12-20-2014 10:15 AM
Unregistered What many child care centres fail to realise is that you cannot force a child to sleep at night if they are not tired. You can have all the bedtime routines in the world, soft music, mummy lying there, it wont work if your child is not tired because they had a long afternoon nap. It is common sense.
What they also fail to realise is that a child going to bed late at night is not only difficult for parents, but it means the child GETS LESS SLEEP. The child wakes at 5.30am as per their normal body clock, gets a total of 7 or 8 hours sleep and is sleep deprived, irritable, uncooperative, difficult and unhappy. The child suffers. The child is not getting enough sleep.

I have read a lot on this thread about 'the child needs to nap' 'the child must need the sleep' but timing that sleep so that the child is able to receive a good 12 hours within every 24 hours, is very important.
My child naps at daycare, she then doesnt get enough sleep at night, we call the following day 'disabled day' - I know my child better than my left hand. I have a bedtime routine that works very well when she doesn't nap during the day. Why would she go to sleep at night if she is not tired?? she doesn't and either would I.
11-19-2014 01:18 PM
Play Care
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Most people here that are defending the 2 hour day care nap work in the industry. In my opinion they just want a break and to save money because licensing allows them to drop the ratio of teachers to students during nap time.
I won't speak to anything else, because that horse is dead But I want to make it clear that in my state, as well as many others, ratios do NOT change simply because children are sleeping. Our Licensing body was *very* clear about that. Furthermore, many states require staff to stay in the room with napping children or physically check on them every so many minutes. For most providers, gone are the days when nap time was an actual "break."
11-19-2014 09:54 AM
Unregistered I don't understand most of the posts here. People that cite to the CDC website and the Healthy Sleep Habits book (which I LOVE, by the way) are completely contradicting themselves. The original question was about a 3 and 6 year old being required to nap 2 hours. People say that is fine and required by childcare centers (in CA it is not that long). Do the math. The CDC says school age children need at least 10 hours of sleep. My 6 year old sleeps 8 to 6:30-7 every night. That is 10.5 hours. It is absurd to make him take a 2 hour nap! He is also in 1st grade so I don't know how they would fit in the state mandates requirements if he took two hours to nap. Preschool age children per CDC website need 11-12 hours. My 3 year old sleep 7:30 pm-6:30 am. He may need a short nap but I would be so angry if a preschool was making him nap 2 hours. Do the math people if a preschool is making your kid sleep 2 hours and they are preschool age that means then need 9-10 of night time sleep. So parents who say napping makes their kids stay up too late are not just full of it or disrespecting their kids sleep. Their child is probably find sleeping 9-6. It makes sense for working parents whose children have to get up super early or are picked up late and can't get to bed early, to have naps. But for other children who are getting plenty of sleep at night, they don't need a 2 hour nap.

Most people here that are defending the 2 hour day care nap work in the industry. In my opinion they just want a break and to save money because licensing allows them to drop the ratio of teachers to students during nap time.
10-15-2014 10:11 AM
Unregistered I can't get over some of these ignorant parent responses!! Their children don't need the required about of sleep for children their age that had been studied over and over by SCIENTISTS and SLEEP SPECIALISTS. their child is "special"
10-15-2014 09:41 AM
Unregistered I'm a HUGE sleep advocate and if you read anything regarding children and how their brain develops you would understand that toddlers and babies need to sleep a lot! And from what science says- no your child does not stay up until 11pm because they nap during the day. There's another reason for that and it's up to the parent to figure that out.
My daughter napped 2-3 times a day up to a year for one to two hours each nap and still went to bed at 7/7:30pm.
After a year it was only 1-2 naps and still a early bed time of 6/6:30 pm.
After two just one nap and still an early bedtime of 6/6:30
She's more seven and should be in bed by 7/7:30 but our days are long with homework so it's usually 8pm. Weekends the child will still asleep until 10 if she's tired. But we usually have to wake get up.
Sleep is HUGE!!! your child's brain is developing and it needs proper time to rest. It's not about what is convenient for you.

Read any Weissbluth book on sleep. He's a doctor not a pediatrician or a pop psych parenting author.

Do research before you blame your provider for forcing your child to nap. She's probably giving your child a huge favor developmentally speaking.
03-04-2014 01:52 PM
Unregistered Thank you to all for your responses. He doesn't go very often, so I am not sure if he falls asleep every time. I am thinking this summer when we need care I will put him in a school age program for part of the time so he gets a variety of care and activity.
03-02-2014 11:39 PM
blandino
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Sleeping children don't need supervision ? I work in a center and we would be fired if we walked out of the room while the children were sleeping, we also have to be in ratio the entire time. How is it ok to leave sleeping children alone in a room because you are a home provider ?
In my state, centers have to remain in the same room when children are asleep ,and homes don't. I would assume that it has to do with the setup. In a center, if you leave the room, you are closing the door and chances are walking down a hallway to another room. In a home daycare, you are probably leaving the room the kids are in, but can still hear/see the room that the kids are in. We are required to be within sight OR sound of the children, so as long as we can hear them it is oaky. Some states require that they must be in sight. But I don't think a home provider should have to stay in the living room, if the kids are sleeping in there. Going into a kitchen or a bedroom with an open door, isn't going to be an issue, if the rooms are within hearing distance.
03-02-2014 09:05 PM
Cradle2crayons
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
Sleeping children don't need supervision ? I work in a center and we would be fired if we walked out of the room while the children were sleeping, we also have to be in ratio the entire time. How is it ok to leave sleeping children alone in a room because you are a home provider ?
Maybe because SOME states don't require that children are under constant visual supervision while sleeping ?

I have an infant asleep in one room... His special needs sister asleep in another room because it's medically necessary, and two more kids asleep on a mat in another room. I am not required to be in the room while they are napping. I have live video on the special needs child as well as he two sisters asleep in their nap room. I also have an 11 year old and my own five year olds in their room and an awake daycare boy age 6 in my sons room for quiet play time during nap time.

I guess I should split myself in five pieces and maybe that would work?? Lol

Some family home providers don't have to have visual supervision during naps. Some don't even have to have visual supervision while they are awake. Some rules say "sight or sound" some say both...

Oh and flame me now.. I provide late night and overnight care also... And I'm asleep after x time.
03-02-2014 08:29 PM
Unregistered Sleeping children don't need supervision ? I work in a center and we would be fired if we walked out of the room while the children were sleeping, we also have to be in ratio the entire time. How is it ok to leave sleeping children alone in a room because you are a home provider ?
02-28-2014 10:54 AM
Play Care
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I have been with my provider for 5 years, my oldest is in Kindergarten and my youngest is 4 and goes daily. In times where my oldest doesn't have school I have to take him there and she requires him to lay down. I recently asked if he could stay up and just do quiet time as he is perfectly able being he is in all day Kindergarten. She said she doesn't have a place for him to do just that. He hates lying down with the little kids and I just don't really agree with it. I am all for naps don't get me wrong, but for a 6 1/2 year old, I am a bit disappointed by her response and am just curious what other providers think about this.
I appreciate your input.
I agree with Nannyde. I would look specifically for a school aged program that doesn't have naps/quiet time. Your provider has told you what she can offer, so now you have to decide where to go from there.
02-28-2014 09:18 AM
nannyde
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I have been with my provider for 5 years, my oldest is in Kindergarten and my youngest is 4 and goes daily. In times where my oldest doesn't have school I have to take him there and she requires him to lay down. I recently asked if he could stay up and just do quiet time as he is perfectly able being he is in all day Kindergarten. She said she doesn't have a place for him to do just that. He hates lying down with the little kids and I just don't really agree with it. I am all for naps don't get me wrong, but for a 6 1/2 year old, I am a bit disappointed by her response and am just curious what other providers think about this.
I appreciate your input.
An awake kid is a kid that needs direct physical care and supervision. Doesn't matter if he is awake and quiet or awake and running house. Awake means up and up means no break.

Just switch him to another program. He has outgrown nap and your provider requires that all kids in her care have nap. It's not personal.
02-27-2014 10:50 PM
Unregistered
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I have been with my provider for 5 years, my oldest is in Kindergarten and my youngest is 4 and goes daily. In times where my oldest doesn't have school I have to take him there and she requires him to lay down. I recently asked if he could stay up and just do quiet time as he is perfectly able being he is in all day Kindergarten. She said she doesn't have a place for him to do just that. He hates lying down with the little kids and I just don't really agree with it. I am all for naps don't get me wrong, but for a 6 1/2 year old, I am a bit disappointed by her response and am just curious what other providers think about this.
I appreciate your input.

Even adults need naps
02-27-2014 09:38 PM
blandino
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I have been with my provider for 5 years, my oldest is in Kindergarten and my youngest is 4 and goes daily. In times where my oldest doesn't have school I have to take him there and she requires him to lay down. I recently asked if he could stay up and just do quiet time as he is perfectly able being he is in all day Kindergarten. She said she doesn't have a place for him to do just that. He hates lying down with the little kids and I just don't really agree with it. I am all for naps don't get me wrong, but for a 6 1/2 year old, I am a bit disappointed by her response and am just curious what other providers think about this.
I appreciate your input.
I understand both sides. As a provider, allowing a child to have "quiet time" instead of nap, still means a good deal of attention and responsibility. During nap time, I need to do dishes, finish cleaning up from lunch, reply to e-mails, and have a lunch break for myself. Any time I have agreed to let a child have "quiet time" they have needed me multiple times during that time. That is my only quiet time/lunch break/bathroom break of the day, plus I still have work responsibilities to get done. Plus, the child usually makes some sort of noise to wake the others. I really count on having that quiet time each day. I allow all my kids to bring books to their mats and read them while falling asleep or when they wake up. At 6.5, your son is probably reading a little ? He could have a longer book to read each day, while laying down.
02-27-2014 07:31 PM
Patches
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I have been with my provider for 5 years, my oldest is in Kindergarten and my youngest is 4 and goes daily. In times where my oldest doesn't have school I have to take him there and she requires him to lay down. I recently asked if he could stay up and just do quiet time as he is perfectly able being he is in all day Kindergarten. She said she doesn't have a place for him to do just that. He hates lying down with the little kids and I just don't really agree with it. I am all for naps don't get me wrong, but for a 6 1/2 year old, I am a bit disappointed by her response and am just curious what other providers think about this.
I appreciate your input.
Does he fall asleep? My son is also 6 and in full day kindergarten and on weekends and no school days he naps. He doesn't want to all the time, but onc ehe lays down, he's out. He obviously needs the sleep .
If your son falls asleep, I wouldn't worry about it. If he doesn't, maybe he could look st books on his cot as long as hes quiet (and as long as your provider is ok with that). Sorry, I really don't see this as that big of a deal.
02-27-2014 07:25 PM
JoseyJo
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I have been with my provider for 5 years, my oldest is in Kindergarten and my youngest is 4 and goes daily. In times where my oldest doesn't have school I have to take him there and she requires him to lay down. I recently asked if he could stay up and just do quiet time as he is perfectly able being he is in all day Kindergarten. She said she doesn't have a place for him to do just that. He hates lying down with the little kids and I just don't really agree with it. I am all for naps don't get me wrong, but for a 6 1/2 year old, I am a bit disappointed by her response and am just curious what other providers think about this.
I appreciate your input.
Some states require that all children lay down for a quiet time each day. Kansas does. My surveyor said that every child in care, regardless of age, must lay down for a minimum of 30 minutes. If the child is still awake after that time then another quiet activity can be given to them, such as reading books quietly on their mats. If the child falls asleep within that time frame we are not supposed to wake them up.
02-27-2014 10:36 AM
Unregistered I have been with my provider for 5 years, my oldest is in Kindergarten and my youngest is 4 and goes daily. In times where my oldest doesn't have school I have to take him there and she requires him to lay down. I recently asked if he could stay up and just do quiet time as he is perfectly able being he is in all day Kindergarten. She said she doesn't have a place for him to do just that. He hates lying down with the little kids and I just don't really agree with it. I am all for naps don't get me wrong, but for a 6 1/2 year old, I am a bit disappointed by her response and am just curious what other providers think about this.
I appreciate your input.
02-27-2014 09:24 AM
Unregistered My provider whom I have been with since my oldest was 1 and is now a kindergartner and currently my 4 year old child goes too makes my 6 year old lie down with the group if he needs care for a day that school is out. I have asked my provider if he can stay up during nap time and do a quiet activity as he is very able to do so and she said he has to 'nap/lie down' with the rest of them because she doesn't have a spot for him and doesn't have a helper to be with him. I don't know, I am totally fine with my 4 year old napping as it's the schedule and it's never been a problem, but I just don't see why she would make a kindergartner who is used to a full day program at school lie down. He hates it. I am just curious what other people's take on it is.
I am very thankful for my provider as I have been with her for so long, but I don't see the rationale.
Thanks.
02-17-2014 04:35 PM
grateday Although there is a routine, who actually sleeps week to week varies.
There are many reasons why kids don't sleep:
Stimulated by other children in the room
Stimulated by the room and what is in it-sound/light/heat/texture
Wanting to play and seeking stimulation and would rather not sleep
If its Monday and they are coming in from a different weekend routine at home
If they are older than 3 sometimes it is more difficult
If they did or did not sleep the night before, if they did not nap the day before
If there is no routine at home or differs greatly from your own
If they are naturally irregular sleepers
If they naturally require less sleep than another child
Varies on the individual need of the child
The crasher kids that the only time they sleep is when they crash out of exhaustion (No one's fault)--Kids that have a lack of ability to feel sleepy
Also, if there is a new child in care or if the child is not regularly in care can effect the kids napping
Lack of physical activity earlier in the day or stimulating activity
Too many interruptions in routine of a day
Kids picking up on stress and purposefully acting up because any attention is better than no attention
Nutrition Nutrition Nutrition- Sugar, caffeine, highly preserved/processed foods, food additives, artificial colors, lack of variety in diet and nutrition. Being hungry or thirsty and not having that need met prior to nap
(None of these things are to say that something is someones fault, just things to investigate as a parent and provider)
Lack of comfort in the environment- this includes whether the child feels loved and accepted in the daycare



Effect of kiddos starting the nap at 3pm
***Can cause a late going to bed time but not always because it depends on the needs and what is going on with that individual child

Effect of kids state of mind not resting at all in my childcare:
***Short fused children-less able to deal with one another
This is in the form of crying, yelling, hitting. They become so tired they cannot use proper social skills with one another. They can get more clumsy and fall more often because they are paying attention less. Finally, they are less able to follow any sort of rules or really pay attention to any sort of activity or teaching.

This is a safety risk because:
-They can hurt each other
-Get hurt

This can cause a major stress in the childcare if children are not in sync and able to focus. It can lead the provider to make decisions about whether or not a child should be in there care.

Should a provider force a kid to take a nap? No
Should the parents work with the provider? Yes. Yes. Yes.......I am not saying providers are perfect parents and they always do things just so with there own kids or that other children's parents should listen to a daycare provider but there should be some agreement and some sort of meeting the daycare in the middle somewhere or it just is not a good fit for your setting. Some parents and providers are very my way or no way. It really is a team effort for the parents, provider, and all of the children. It is not a mistake but a constant learning experience, always question what is ethical and right and how it can be improved. It can work but we have to make it work together.

Says the provider who's kid crashed on a Monday at 5pm because of many of the reasons above=)

I have had rigid parents here but they usually had been through a few childcare's and have an older child. I have had disagreements with more rigid parents. I have had disagreements with other parents and I like that they are open enough to speak with me and I with them. Rigid first time parents don't usually like my style from the get go and just go straight to a center or struggle to find care.

Rigid parents want everything just a certain way for there child with disregard for you, disregard for other children in your care. They want more than what you can provide. I look at it as though the children should all have the same level of care. If they have an allergy or disability - I work on that but above all they are all getting the same level of care. It is not fair and children know when someone is treated different and then they all want what the other has.
02-15-2014 05:59 AM
Unregistered At my daycare we are scheduled for a 2-2 1/2 nap time and whoever doesnt want to sleep doesnt have to but they still have to rest even if its just for a little bit, specially the little ones, since it helps their development. I was also thinking, shouldnt the 6 year old be in kindergarten? And if he/she is in fact going, even if it's half day, don't you think he/she be tired from playing pretty much the whole morning? Usually if the kids are not tired they won't sleep so there's not really a way to 'force' them. However, I do wake them up after a max of 2 1/2 hours because then it can get tricky for parents to get them to bed early at night and I believe daycare is a provider/parent teamwork and I know that parents get home tired too and the last thing they want is having their child running around the house at 10 o'clock at night.
02-12-2014 11:54 AM
SunshineMama
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Originally Posted by SomeSimpleGuy View Post
My daycare is forcing my 6 and 3 year old children to nap for over 2 hours!

First , is this even legal?

Does anyone , anywhere make there children nap for that long?

Sometimes , I know they nap there for over 2 hours.

My wife doesn't seem to believe me, but I stop in unannounced , and am frequently dissapointed.

I think a 45 min to 1 hour nap is more than standard?

Please help me

Thank you in advance
What do you mean by forcing? Are they holding your children down until they fall asleep?

All of my daycare kids, and my own children, nap for about 2 or more hours (and my own kids sleep about 11 hours at night as well). Kids play hard at daycare, and need rest for their bodies and minds to grow. A 2 hour nap, or even more, isn't abnormal at all, in fact, it is the standard. If your children are falling asleep, that means that their body needs it. If they weren't tired, they wouldn't be falling asleep. My kids would be super crabs if they only napped 45 minutes to an hour. Naps make happier, healthier kids.

I do not, however, have my kids over 5 nap. Is your 6 year old sleeping for the entire 2 hours? Maybe they could read a book, or do another quiet activity? My 5 year old daughter does not nap, but she sleeps 12 hours at night.
02-11-2014 02:06 PM
cara041083 In my daycare the kids nap from 12-2 and once they don't nap any more then they have quit time from 12-2. If they fall asleep then they sleep other wise they watch a movie or read a book
02-11-2014 01:41 PM
craftymissbeth This is the thread that will not end... yes, it goes on and on my friend...
02-11-2014 01:32 PM
ColorfulSunburst
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Really?? You sound like you have it all figured out and that you are able to judge as a result of your vast wisdom. It may come as a surprise to you, with such insight as you have, to find out that people are different. Dont you dare judge a parent, with your sanctimonious diatribe, who struggles to get their kid to sleep at night when they nap. I myself could not handle a nap after the age of 2 and still sleep at night. My first daughter stopped napping at 2 and a half and if she inadvertently dozed off in the car, we were lucky to get her to fall asleep before 11pm. Of course, according to your wisdom, that is a result of our poor parenting.

Grow up please and stop acting like you know it all. You dont seem to have the foggiest idea of the nuances involved here. Make your opinion but keep your judgments to yourself!
calm down.
Parents have no any rights to change any daycare schedule. If a child can not be in the schedule he has to leave the daycare but not trying to change the schedule.
ex.: I like to sleep in the morning till 11am but my boss has no wishes change my work schedule so i have to wake up at 6am or retire.
02-11-2014 10:07 AM
Unregistered Here's some information regarding children and the suggested amount of sleep that they need.

http://www.sleepfoundation.org/artic...dren-and-sleep
http://www.cdc.gov/sleep/about_sleep/how_much_sleep.htm
http://www.mayoclinic.org/how-many-h...s/faq-20057898
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/heal...hy.aspx?item=1
http://kidshealth.org/kid/stay_healt...not_tired.html


Don't underestimate the suggested sleep guidelines. They are there for a reason. Sleep is at the center of health and development, especially for children.
02-10-2014 09:27 PM
Unregistered
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Because a child takes a nap at daycare, has nothing to do with a child not going to sleep at night. It is nothing but a blame game by the parents. Be a parent, not their best buddy and parent your child. So many times over the years, I have been confronted with...Please don't let Susie sleep more than 45 min, she doesn't go to sleep at night. I do nothing different, Susie still sleeps 2 to 2.5 hours per day, BUT I tell parents she only slept 45 min and amazingly her sleep issues have subsided. No change in sleep at daycare and a little white lie to parent, works everytime. lol

And special requests to keep Susie up, when you are a one person team with 1 daycare space in your home, it is very hard to allow 1 child to stay up while the others sleep. It just doesn't work. 1 kid stays up then you have 2 wanting to stay up. Nope, not going to happen. Most home daycares are small group care. If you want special you need to hire a nanny for one on one care. A provider has to do what is best for her and her group, not 1 individual child.

I never understood why parents would put their kids to bed at 7:30/8, don't they want to spend time with their kids? My own kids never slept 12 hours at a time and they were in daycare for 8 years, went to bed at 9pm and up at 5:30, napped everyday till went to school. Sometimes parents need to step back and regroup and ask themselves if their request to their provider is doable in a group setting.
Really?? You sound like you have it all figured out and that you are able to judge as a result of your vast wisdom. It may come as a surprise to you, with such insight as you have, to find out that people are different. Dont you dare judge a parent, with your sanctimonious diatribe, who struggles to get their kid to sleep at night when they nap. I myself could not handle a nap after the age of 2 and still sleep at night. My first daughter stopped napping at 2 and a half and if she inadvertently dozed off in the car, we were lucky to get her to fall asleep before 11pm. Of course, according to your wisdom, that is a result of our poor parenting.

Grow up please and stop acting like you know it all. You dont seem to have the foggiest idea of the nuances involved here. Make your opinion but keep your judgments to yourself!
09-05-2013 11:30 PM
kimmills I agree with what others have said here. It's a standard requirement of 2 hr nap time and nothing that day care centers can do about it. Also most day cares wouldn't take your arriving unannounced too lightly.
09-05-2013 09:08 PM
Unregistered Interesting post. I have the opposite problemt. I agree you need to have a strong bedtime routine. Stick to it. My son challenges it every once in a while. Those days he does i just put him back in bed until he understands this is how it is. It is exhausting but so worth it in the long run. I think he challenges me as he develops. He is two and goes to sleep every day at the same time. I have the opposite problem. My daycare provider complains he only naps for 45ylmin to an hour. At home on the. Weekend he naps 2 to hours. I think its too exciting for him over there. I feel like he is catching up from his long week. I wish he napped longer during the week so he wouldn't be as tired on the weekend an i could do more with him. He is in day care six hours a day
08-22-2013 11:45 AM
Unregistered I just stumbled across this post and figured I would add to it. At my current Center we have different nap times for different ages. I'm with 3 year olds and they have nap scheduled from 11:30-1:30. Does that work? No. Do we all take our lunches during that time? No. The other day I arrived at work before 7 and was given a break 2:30-3:30. That hour is the ONLY time during the day I can sit down. We're not allowed to sit outside, can't have a desk to sit at while the kids are working at the table (and my group never even does that anyway) and maybe possibly sit during circle time (again these kids won't sit at all so I'm standing 9 hours out of 10 working ones with no second of rest. I have no assistant to help with anything,
If kids need to go to the bathroom we have to wait until everyone is ready (some arrive late and are still eating at 8:30 while others ate at 7:30 and need to go potty). After nap we have to wait until everyone is awake so we can go as a group. Even in there it's a constant go because of everything they are doing. At lunch we eat in the gym/cafeteria and are serving them and they always want more something. These kids kick me and scream at me and throw things at me. They tell me no and hey don't have to. Today I felt horrible but went to work anyway because I know we're short staffed. The director said she'd let me leave if she could find someone. Parents asked if I felt ok. Kids were asking. It wasn't until I nearly passed out on the playground that I was finally sent home. I can barely talk my throat is bright red and one teacher said she thinks I have strep throat. I had fever and feel awful. After getting home and being able to put my feet up I felt better. Now this isn't supposed to be a pity post. I'm just saying that many times we feel we have no choice but to be there because there is no one to cover us. Same as how sometimes we just need a moment to rest. I've heard so many parents say it can't be that hard - I have a 3 year old - but do they have 14-15? I live in Texas and the law states that I can have 15 by myself. At 4 years it's 18:1 ratio. I don't care who you are but that's a lot to handle. By nap time I need a moment. And so do the kids. By 10 they're all crying and cranky. If they don't nap they start falling asleep during centres around 4 or 5. I've had several who sit down start crying and screaming and fall asleep. During the nap time that is our prep time. To do our room newsletters lesson plans and any other prep. No sitting down or having a moment to relax. I understand parents needs but at the same time they need to understand exactly what we do during the day.
08-21-2013 08:22 AM
MyAngels
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I am completely shocked that so many people think that if a kid happens to fall asleep while being forced to lie down and stay quiet for 2 hours, he/she MUST need a nap. WRONG. I have 4 1/2 year old triplets who have always woken up on their own between 5:30 and 7am. I can count on one hand the number of times they have slept past 8:00 in their lives. Even when they don't fall asleep until midnight, they wake up by 6-7am. So Laundrymom's idea about waking them up 3 hours earlier? Ummmm...you want me to wake my kids up at 3:30am? Horrible advice.

On daycare days, my kids are up at 6:30am. Their school puts them down at noon for a 2-hour nap that turns into a 3-hour nap. They often don't fall asleep until the 1:30-2:00 mark, and they let them sleep until they wake up. Then at 3:30 they give them a nice sugary snack. So is it any wonder why my kids aren't ready for bed by 7-8 at night??? Why is it that during the summers they can fall asleep by 7-8pm and wake up at 7am and go through the entire day without a nap, but during the school year, they suddenly NEED a 2 hour nap and only sleep from 11pm-6:30am? They literally lie in bed awake for hours before falling asleep around 11pm, 1-2 hours after MY bedtime. It's actually unhealthy for a toddler to sleep to regularly sleep so little at night. They need a good, long stretch of sleep at night much more than a nap during the day.

And, honestly, I couldn't care less that the teachers need a break and quiet time during the day. That's a piss poor excuse to force my kid to lie down quietly for a 2-hour stretch. Child care centers and preschools should provide enough coverage to allow their teachers to take official lunches and breaks - my children shouldn't have to be forced to sit on a cot to accommodate such a break schedule.
I agree with BC - why haven't you moved your children to a program that meets your needs? You are in charge of making decisions that are best for your kids, and it doesn't seem like you're doing that in this case.
08-21-2013 07:04 AM
SilverSabre25
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And, honestly, I couldn't care less that the teachers need a break and quiet time during the day. That's a piss poor excuse to force my kid to lie down quietly for a 2-hour stretch. Child care centers and preschools should provide enough coverage to allow their teachers to take official lunches and breaks - my children shouldn't have to be forced to sit on a cot to accommodate such a break schedule.
That costs more. Are you a parent who is willing to pay the extra cost? Most aren't. And if you are, I recommend checking into a nanny or other type of caregiver who can provide the nap-less schedule...but you'll still have to pay for it.
08-20-2013 12:44 PM
Blackcat31
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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
I am completely shocked that so many people think that if a kid happens to fall asleep while being forced to lie down and stay quiet for 2 hours, he/she MUST need a nap. WRONG. I have 4 1/2 year old triplets who have always woken up on their own between 5:30 and 7am. I can count on one hand the number of times they have slept past 8:00 in their lives. Even when they don't fall asleep until midnight, they wake up by 6-7am. So Laundrymom's idea about waking them up 3 hours earlier? Ummmm...you want me to wake my kids up at 3:30am? Horrible advice.

On daycare days, my kids are up at 6:30am. Their school puts them down at noon for a 2-hour nap that turns into a 3-hour nap. They often don't fall asleep until the 1:30-2:00 mark, and they let them sleep until they wake up. Then at 3:30 they give them a nice sugary snack. So is it any wonder why my kids aren't ready for bed by 7-8 at night??? Why is it that during the summers they can fall asleep by 7-8pm and wake up at 7am and go through the entire day without a nap, but during the school year, they suddenly NEED a 2 hour nap and only sleep from 11pm-6:30am? They literally lie in bed awake for hours before falling asleep around 11pm, 1-2 hours after MY bedtime. It's actually unhealthy for a toddler to sleep to regularly sleep so little at night. They need a good, long stretch of sleep at night much more than a nap during the day.

And, honestly, I couldn't care less that the teachers need a break and quiet time during the day. That's a piss poor excuse to force my kid to lie down quietly for a 2-hour stretch. Child care centers and preschools should provide enough coverage to allow their teachers to take official lunches and breaks - my children shouldn't have to be forced to sit on a cot to accommodate such a break schedule.
If you KNOW your children do not require a daytime nap, why would you enroll them in a program that gives them a nap then?

There are LOTS of providers that don't require kids to nap/rest and there are also providers who are required by the state to give children in their care a rest or nap time.

NOT all facilities operate the same way, which is why it is extremely important that you, as a parent do YOUR job and find a provider that meets YOUR family's needs.

If I knew my child did not require a nap and the facility I had them enrolled in made them take one, I'd be finding a new daycare.

Providers do what works for them and parents need to do what works for them.

Seems like an easy solution to me.
08-20-2013 12:21 PM
Unregistered I am completely shocked that so many people think that if a kid happens to fall asleep while being forced to lie down and stay quiet for 2 hours, he/she MUST need a nap. WRONG. I have 4 1/2 year old triplets who have always woken up on their own between 5:30 and 7am. I can count on one hand the number of times they have slept past 8:00 in their lives. Even when they don't fall asleep until midnight, they wake up by 6-7am. So Laundrymom's idea about waking them up 3 hours earlier? Ummmm...you want me to wake my kids up at 3:30am? Horrible advice.

On daycare days, my kids are up at 6:30am. Their school puts them down at noon for a 2-hour nap that turns into a 3-hour nap. They often don't fall asleep until the 1:30-2:00 mark, and they let them sleep until they wake up. Then at 3:30 they give them a nice sugary snack. So is it any wonder why my kids aren't ready for bed by 7-8 at night??? Why is it that during the summers they can fall asleep by 7-8pm and wake up at 7am and go through the entire day without a nap, but during the school year, they suddenly NEED a 2 hour nap and only sleep from 11pm-6:30am? They literally lie in bed awake for hours before falling asleep around 11pm, 1-2 hours after MY bedtime. It's actually unhealthy for a toddler to sleep to regularly sleep so little at night. They need a good, long stretch of sleep at night much more than a nap during the day.

And, honestly, I couldn't care less that the teachers need a break and quiet time during the day. That's a piss poor excuse to force my kid to lie down quietly for a 2-hour stretch. Child care centers and preschools should provide enough coverage to allow their teachers to take official lunches and breaks - my children shouldn't have to be forced to sit on a cot to accommodate such a break schedule.
07-23-2013 03:36 PM
Unregistered Laundrymom here. Don't know why I can't log in. BUT
My advice.
For parents who have trouble getting their children to bed at night when they take a nap at daycare. Get them up three hours earlier in the morning. They'll be plenty tired by the time evening rolls around. More time with your child is more important than a few hours of beauty sleep. At least that's how I've done it for 26 years with my own children so I got to spend extra time with just them before the daycare children arrived.
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