Pack n Plays Are Not Safe for Sleeping????
I was recently awarded a health and safety grant through First 5 of California. As part of the grant process, someone (a registered nurse) came out and completed a safety assessment.
The assessor recommended replacing my pack n play with a collapsible wooden crib, which they would pay for. I have done a search but can't find any research to support their claim. Has anyone else heard this?? If so, any links to articles on the subject? |
KY regulations don't allow PNPs. Unfortunately, I've never got a clear answer on why. One trainer once told me that she thought it was due to issues with providers not setting them up appropriately, but she wasn't sure.
Did the assessor tell you what the safety concerns were? Aside from child care in my state, I've always been told they were fine for sleeping. |
Originally Posted by Febby: |
Originally Posted by spedmommy4: So far we have not been told of any specific rules/regulation changes but I have a few parents that work in our county DHS offices and several have said that pretty soon only mini cribs or wooden cribs would be approved. I don't know your rules in CA but I am betting since the crib thing affected all of us in every state, I am guessing that it's a common "I've heard" piece of info being passed around every state. |
I know here they changed the regs to not allow pnp's for centers and we were told that the regs for fcc would be coming soon as well.
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Personally, I HATE cribs for daycare children because they are always getting their arms and legs through the slots and then trying to roll over without pulling their arm or leg back in through the slot. I am constantly worried that they are going to sprain or damage their arms and legs when they do that.
Pack and plays' sides are so short that many children can climb out of them. Technically, they are legal in my area for kids up to age 2. But they want us to try to get kids to sleep on mats or sleeping bags on the floor at age 1 if possible to keep them from climbing out of the pack and play. I don't know why they are not legal in your area for sleeping. But the kids climbing out of them might be one reason. |
The reason is because pack n plays are not easily sanitized. I used to work as a regulator and non-porous surfaces (wood) can and should be sprayed down regularly with a chlorine solution to disinfect. Porous surfaces must be sanitized properly in a washing machine with a diluted bleach solution. Since you cannot break down the soft porous sides of a pack n play to wash in a washing machine, it is not easily cleanable. For example, if a child is infected with norovirus and he vomits during nap time on the side of the crib, how would someone properly clean and sanitize the mesh sides? I suppose you could hose it down outside and spray it with a chlorine solution, but it's not easily cleanable. Let's say it happened at the first nap and there is a different child coming in the afternoon who needs that crib for sleeping. How would you have it properly cleaned in time?
I understand why so many use them, but I personally don't like using them with the exception of my own children when we are on a trip. I much prefer wooden cribs that can be cleaned easily. Just my 2 cents ;) |
Originally Posted by spud912: |
Yes, they can be cleaned, but not easily. Properly cleaning a wooden crib, vinyl nap mat or cot can be accomplished in 10 minutes. Cleaning bedding from start to finish can be done in 2 hours max. Soaking a pack n play and letting it dry takes at least 8 hours. If a child got into his poopy diaper during morning nap and smeared the feces on the mesh (it happens), it would not be properly cleaned by afternoon nap.
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OP are you in CA? I haven't heard anything at all about pack n plays being unsafe. I just had an inspection last week and my analyst didn't mention anything about the pack n play that I have. We have a pilot QRIS program going on right now and there is no restrictions on pack n plays for them either, and they're pretty strict.
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Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa: |
Originally Posted by spedmommy4: Page 6 addresses Pack and Play standards http://ccld.ca.gov/res/pdf/CCUpdateSpring2013.pdf |
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Originally Posted by spud912: |
Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa: I have an older Graco (like 15+ yrs older) and 2 of the JMason's that NannyDe talks about and I LOVE LOVE LOVE them and totally understand why she loves them so. :ouch: lovethis |
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Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa: |
Originally Posted by Leigh: |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered: |
This may sound stupid but how can you tell if it meets standards? Is there a seal of approval?
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Originally Posted by Blackcat31: |
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Originally Posted by Unregistered: As for regulations per state, it seems each state has their own (if they have any standards about them at all) otherwise the CPSC has an article about it here: http://www.cpsc.gov/en/regulations-l...psc-2011-0064/ |
Originally Posted by Unregistered: http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/ |
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Originally Posted by Annalee: Mine look like this http://www.strollerdepot.com/photos/0745.lg.jpg |
Originally Posted by Blackcat31: |
Originally Posted by Annalee: I think they stopped in 1998 but I don't know the date for sure... Like Nan, I just buy them any time I see them on CL or E-bay or garage sales. |
Originally Posted by Blackcat31: |
I haven't heard of any changes here. PNPs are still legal.
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I still use PNP's when I have that age. I have two and will never have more than two in them (none right now except my 2yr grandson who is climbing out I think I am going to transition him when he is here). With them not in use much I can clean them, I have the drying time. But if I had more in them I would probably by more so they could have their own.
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I keep seeing wooden cribs.... Will they not allow metal ones?
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Originally Posted by jenboo: |
Pack n plays are still legal here. I just happened to apply for a special grant. They grantor isn't requiring me to replace it; the assessor strongly recommended it. I only take one infant at a time and she is the only one that uses the pack n play. The assessor was specifically concerned about safety and didn't mention sanitation. The little girl is 9 months old so there is no way she could crawl out. (I transition kids at 12 months)
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Originally Posted by Thriftylady: |
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...+stowaway+crib
They come with the CoC. We call them baby jails. |
Marriot uses washable covers.
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Originally Posted by spedmommy4: Recommendations can be taken under advisement. Apply them or not, if they aren't requirements, then there is no harm. |
I have all metal, evacuation cribs, now. PNP's are no longer "recommended". They will net you a "Discussed proper, safe, infant sleep environments. Improvement plan recommended." statement on your public inspection record if you choose to keep using them.
So, even though legal, using PNP's make you look less than "Quality" on your public State inspection page. :ouch: ** Minimum 2 inch mattress required. ;) The three inch mattresses compress to meet the minimum in under a year, so buying a 2 inch means replacing yearly. Yes, they come in with rulers. happyface |
Originally Posted by Cat Herder: ETA: I haven't seen that here yet, not that I'd be surprised to see rulers. My classroom got a violation on our last inspection for having some tape residue on the wall. |
Originally Posted by Febby: |
That is crazy. Never hear that before. PNP's are so updated now. I can't believe they would think that wooden ones are better.
Deb |
Originally Posted by Febby: |
When I had my inspection last Dec the analyst had me show her how they break down and if they're made after 2011. The whole V vs U closure is the big concern because of PNPs collapsing and entrapping babies with the V type.
One thing I can't stand is when they can't cite a single piece of information or source for the recommendation. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Thriftylady: Hmm... It won't let me add the link... If you search metal crib on amazon, is the LA deluxe holiday one |
Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa: |
Originally Posted by spedmommy4: |
Originally Posted by : They are hard to clean but I use a separate PnP for each child. Id on' have money to buy or room to keep a bunch of wooden cribs. |
Originally Posted by crazydaycarelady: |
Originally Posted by Annalee: They were way smaller and had all four mesh sides. I have two of them for newborns. Easier on the back. |
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