Are There Regulations To Follow When You Are Not Registered?
 

From what I understand, in my state, you can have up to 2 kids without being registred and I guess they call it being informal care. I was just wondering though, if there are any rules or regulations that we are suppose to follow or are we just suppose to wing it and make up our own? Like I do not require a health immunzation form, because the state is not watching me or over seeing what I do, but does that mean I do not need one? That was just a example, but ya know, just stuff like that. Anyone know?

That would depend on the state you reside in: https://www.daycare.com/states.html

well, if you aren't licensed then you don't have to follow the rules set by licensing obviously. technically, you're a "babysitter."

since you are keeping kids on a regular basis though, i think it's smart to still have a contract. you should have a consent form signed by the parent(s) incase of a medical emergency that gives you consent to take them to the doctor. i typed up something and gave consent even for my mother when i went on vacation. it's just smart to cover your bases, but as far as meals, naps, etc - there are no "regulations."

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
well, if you aren't licensed then you don't have to follow the rules set by licensing obviously. technically, you're a "babysitter."

since you are keeping kids on a regular basis though, i think it's smart to still have a contract. you should have a consent form signed by the parent(s) incase of a medical emergency that gives you consent to take them to the doctor. i typed up something and gave consent even for my mother when i went on vacation. it's just smart to cover your bases, but as far as meals, naps, etc - there are no "regulations."

Just because a person isn't licensed does not technically mean you are a "Babysitter". Seriously, I am much more than that....Just like I am sure many many others on here are also. Just because someone is not licensed does not put them in the "Babysitter" category. I run a safe, loving structured environment with a preschool program. I put a lot of time, effort and money into my program, and just because I am not licensed does not put me in the "Babysitter" category. Please.

I am not registered. In my state I can keep up to 5 kids not including my own before needing to be registered. I follow all the same rules as a registered provider. I also have contracts with clients and tons of paperwork on each family/child. I agree 100% with Mac60.

Originally Posted by mac60:
Just because a person isn't licensed does not technically mean you are a "Babysitter". Seriously, I am much more than that....Just like I am sure many many others on here are also. Just because someone is not licensed does not put them in the "Babysitter" category. I run a safe, loving structured environment with a preschool program. I put a lot of time, effort and money into my program, and just because I am not licensed does not put me in the "Babysitter" category. Please.

100% agree!!

i, too, am not licensed and VERY proud :) i go over and beyond a 'babysitter'

Originally Posted by mac60:
Just because a person isn't licensed does not technically mean you are a "Babysitter". Seriously, I am much more than that....Just like I am sure many many others on here are also. Just because someone is not licensed does not put them in the "Babysitter" category. I run a safe, loving structured environment with a preschool program. I put a lot of time, effort and money into my program, and just because I am not licensed does not put me in the "Babysitter" category. Please.

mac, i wasn't licensed either - by choice. HENCE, the word "technically."

TECHNICALLY, if a person is not licensed, they are held to the same standards as a babysitter. trust me, i got paid much, much more than a babysitter, but in the eyes of the law - if you are not licensed, you are no more than a babysitter - like it or not.

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
mac, i wasn't licensed either - by choice. HENCE, the word "technically."

TECHNICALLY, if a person is not licensed, they are held to the same standards as a babysitter. trust me, i got paid much, much more than a babysitter, but in the eyes of the law - if you are not licensed, you are no more than a babysitter - like it or not.

not true either...i pay taxes just like a licensed provider, claim the same deductions except the food program...I am a daycare provider...its all in how you portray yourself and run your business IMO...and i techincally run a much better program than a lot of so called licensed providers in my area. i just have the freedom of not having the state breathing down my neck for stupid stuff

Originally Posted by BentleysBands:
not true either...i pay taxes just like a licensed provider, claim the same deductions except the food program...I am a daycare provider...its all in how you portray yourself and run your business IMO...and i techincally run a much better program than a lot of so called licensed providers in my area. i just have the freedom of not having the state breathing down my neck for stupid stuff

nobody is denying that - not even me, but legally, u are NOT a daycare provider.

what do you call someone who watches kids that is not a daycare provider? a babysitter.

i'm a licensed teacher who kept children without having a license to run a daycare. i charged more than any daycare in my area that i know of. it doesn't matter that i'm a teacher to the state - if i'm not a licensed DAYCARE then TECHNICALLY, i'm babysitting.

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
nobody is denying that - not even me, but legally, u are NOT a daycare provider.

what do you call someone who watches kids that is not a daycare provider? a babysitter.

i'm a licensed teacher who kept children without having a license to run a daycare. i charged more than any daycare in my area that i know of. it doesn't matter that i'm a teacher to the state - if i'm not a licensed DAYCARE then TECHNICALLY, i'm babysitting.

whatever u say, i'm not argueing about it

Seriously, show me where is says that to be a "daycare provider" vs "babysitter" you have to be licensed.

seriously, you keep forgetting that word "technically."

why do you think these regulations are in place? if they weren't, then EVERYONE could say they were "babysitting" whether they had 1 kid or 15 kids.

in the eyes of the law, if you are not licensed, you are not held to any higher standards than a babysitter is!

i am saying this as a licensed teacher who spent four years of my life in college (i know that'll get to ya) and ran an UNLICENSED "daycare" because i wasn't required to be licensed.

if someone walked in on you as an unlicensed "daycare provider" you would not be held to any higher standards than my sixteen year old niece who was babysitting! except, oh yeah, nobody would walk in on you - or her - bc u aren't licensed and aren't held to any standards!

Originally Posted by mac60:
Seriously, show me where is says that to be a "daycare provider" vs "babysitter" you have to be licensed.

i like this:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/67....-babysitters/

Originally Posted by BentleysBands:
i like this:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/67....-babysitters/

this was the first paragraph of that BLOG you posted - and i wonder if you think it sheds daycare in a positive light?

"Although most daycare facilities will accept babies, they may not be able to give the individual attention that parents hope for. Daycares also typically charge more for a baby than for an older child. The provider will have several children to watch and entertain in a daycare, and your baby may be in a playpen or swing for most of the day, and not carried around as you might do. The possible lack of attention during the day may lead to a fussy or clingy baby in the evening. A babysitter will be able to focus completely on a baby, which may be a better situation."

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/67...#ixzz13kQEB7CQ

not such a good source to support your case.

Originally Posted by mac60:
Seriously, show me where is says that to be a "daycare provider" vs "babysitter" you have to be licensed.

it comes down to this mac...if you arent licensed, or just a babysitter your nothing i guess....:lol:

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
this was the first paragraph of that BLOG you posted - and i wonder if you think it sheds daycare in a positive light?

"Although most daycare facilities will accept babies, they may not be able to give the individual attention that parents hope for. Daycares also typically charge more for a baby than for an older child. The provider will have several children to watch and entertain in a daycare, and your baby may be in a playpen or swing for most of the day, and not carried around as you might do. The possible lack of attention during the day may lead to a fussy or clingy baby in the evening. A babysitter will be able to focus completely on a baby, which may be a better situation."

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/67...#ixzz13kQEB7CQ

not such a good source to support your case.

imo...it does...i cant provide that one on one attention since i have many children :) because i'm a daycare provider :D

I'm done...cant get blood from a turnip

we each have a different opinion so I agree to disagree ;)

Originally Posted by BentleysBands:
imo...it does...i cant provide that one on one attention since i have many children :) because i'm a daycare provider :D

okay, if you're cool with being accused of leaving kids in a playpen of a swing all day, and not giving them enough attention - call yourself a daycare provider all you want.

i can be looked up on the state's website as a teacher fit to teach in any classroom in my state, but when keeping children in my home without being licensed - i'm not held to any higher standards than a BABYSITTER and that's how i liked it. if you don't like being held to lower standards TECHNICALLY in the eyes of the law, then become a childcare provider. until then, your standards are not set any higher than a teenager watching a kid.

Originally Posted by BentleysBands:
I'm done...cant get blood from a turnip

we each have a different opinion so I agree to disagree ;)

and you can't get licensing standards from a person that provides "informal care," "babysitting services," or whatever else you would like to call it. that was the question.

for someone w/over 24 yrs experience , HIGHLY recommended, awesome references and an excellent preschool program...feel free to slam me :)
and compare me to a teenage babysitter...whatever makes you feel good ;)

Originally Posted by BentleysBands:
I'm done...cant get blood from a turnip

we each have a different opinion so I agree to disagree ;)

drip, drip

Originally Posted by legomom922:
From what I understand, in my state, you can have up to 2 kids without being registred and I guess they call it being informal care. I was just wondering though, if there are any rules or regulations that we are suppose to follow or are we just suppose to wing it and make up our own? Like I do not require a health immunzation form, because the state is not watching me or over seeing what I do, but does that mean I do not need one? That was just a example, but ya know, just stuff like that. Anyone know?

I would check around w/your state and other providers in your area as to what they may do. i personally run my DAYCARE just as any licensed person would do ie:paperwork,contracts,schedulings,meals,etc....mainly to keep parents from using me and protecting myself for any reason. I also use the funshine express curriculum (i no longer purchase but use their monthly themes,etc and then google the appropriate activities)

In my opinion, a "babysitter" is a teenager or someone who watches a child "ocassionaly" while parents go out for a night, and doesn't have to claim her income.

A child care provider, is someone who watches children for living, on a regular basis and claims her income.

To me, the difference between a registred/licensed childcare provider and a unregistred/unlicensed childcare provider, is only the amount of kids they can have in their care.

Just because my state says that if I have 2 kids, I don't need a license, doesn't make me any less of a "childcare provider". The reasons why I assume the state doesnt require check ups and regulations on unregistred providers, is that because of the amount of kids in that providers care.

Now, can we get back to MY question?? The only reason why I wanted to know if there are any regulations at all on unregistred providers, is because I have one mom who has not turned in her contract, and her enrollment forms including the immunization form, and I want to be able to tell her I HAVE to have these things! She thinks (and she is a friend) because I am not registred and I am her friend, that I don't truly NEED these things and that they don't pretain to her. See, the problem is, I used to watch her baby when I was not in "business" so it was very casual and I had no rules, no forms, etc. She left for about 8 months, and now I am in "buisness" and she's confused I guess..If she insisits I dont really need those things, and if I really dont, I dont have a leg to stand on..Know what I mean?

Originally Posted by legomom922:
In my opinion, a "babysitter" is a teenager or someone who watches a child "ocassionaly" while parents go out for a night, and doesn't have to claim her income.

A child care provider, is someone who watches children for living, on a regular basis and claims her income.

To me, the difference between a registred/licensed childcare provider and a unregistred/unlicensed childcare provider, is only the amount of kids they can have in their care.

Just because my state says that if I have 2 kids, I don't need a license, doesn't make me any less of a "childcare provider". The reasons why I assume the state doesnt require check ups and regulations on unregistred providers, is that because of the amount of kids in that providers care.

Now, can we get back to MY question?? The only reason why I wanted to know if there are any regulations at all on unregistred providers, is because I have one mom who has not turned in her contract, and her enrollment forms including the immunization form, and I want to be able to tell her I HAVE to have these things! She thinks (and she is a friend) because I am not registred and I am her friend, that I don't truly NEED these things and that they don't pretain to her. See, the problem is, I used to watch her baby when I was not in "business" so it was very casual and I had no rules, no forms, etc. She left for about 8 months, and now I am in "buisness" and she's confused I guess..If she insisits I dont really need those things, and if I really dont, I dont have a leg to stand on..Know what I mean?

i did answer your question - the answer was "no, you aren't REQUIRED to have anything more than a babysitter would be, but it would be wise to." - or something like that.

There are rules for a "legally exempt" provider...what is the difference between a legally exempt provider and a informal care provider then?

Originally Posted by legomom922:
In my opinion, a "babysitter" is a teenager or someone who watches a child "ocassionaly" while parents go out for a night, and doesn't have to claim her income.

A child care provider, is someone who watches children for living, on a regular basis and claims her income.

To me, the difference between a registred/licensed childcare provider and a unregistred/unlicensed childcare provider, is only the amount of kids they can have in their care.

Just because my state says that if I have 2 kids, I don't need a license, doesn't make me any less of a "childcare provider". The reasons why I assume the state doesnt require check ups and regulations on unregistred providers, is that because of the amount of kids in that providers care.

Now, can we get back to MY question?? The only reason why I wanted to know if there are any regulations at all on unregistred providers, is because I have one mom who has not turned in her contract, and her enrollment forms including the immunization form, and I want to be able to tell her I HAVE to have these things! She thinks (and she is a friend) because I am not registred and I am her friend, that I don't truly NEED these things and that they don't pretain to her. See, the problem is, I used to watch her baby when I was not in "business" so it was very casual and I had no rules, no forms, etc. She left for about 8 months, and now I am in "buisness" and she's confused I guess..If she insisits I dont really need those things, and if I really dont, I dont have a leg to stand on..Know what I mean?

totally agree and very well said...i posted something in ref to your question

Originally Posted by legomom922:
There are rules for a "legally exempt" provider...what is the difference between a legally exempt provider and a informal care provider then?

do the families you keep receive chilcare assistance through the state? i don't see why you'd be classified as legally exempt otherwise. if you were receiving money from the state, i would think they would have provided you with information about any policies the may have - which are not anywhere near the same as being licensed.

if you are not licensed and you are not keeping more children than your state allows, you aren't held to any regulations by the state! the state only regulates LICENSED providers or UNLICENSED providers who are breaking the law. i don't see what the confusion is.

In my opinion, and probably other's here too. A daycare provider and a baby sitter are different. A babysitter is typically a person that is younger, is hired on a here to there basis, comes into the homes of the families to care for their children while the parents go out. A daycare provider is typically an adult that is running a business, has a regular schedule, pays taxes, keeps records, has some type of program, licensed or not depending on the state regs.

I'm not licensed either (and I don't have to be) but my state does have one rule/law that I have to follow. "No more than 6 kids at one time and no more than 3 of those can be under the age of 2."

It does depend on your state though. I would definitely check out your jobs and family services website.

FYI- I'm fairly certain that no one SITS ON BABIES here!

Originally Posted by mac60:
In my opinion, and probably other's here too. A daycare provider and a baby sitter are different. A babysitter is typically a person that is younger, is hired on a here to there basis, comes into the homes of the families to care for their children while the parents go out. A daycare provider is typically an adult that is running a business, has a regular schedule, pays taxes, keeps records, has some type of program, licensed or not depending on the state regs.

you're exactly right. that wasn't the point. the point was - and this is what was stated - you are not held to any different or higher standards or regulations than a babysitter if you are not licensed.

if that is not true, please tell me who regulates you?

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
do the families you keep receive chilcare assistance through the state? i don't see why you'd be classified as legally exempt otherwise. if you were receiving money from the state, i would think they would have provided you with information about any policies the may have - which are not anywhere near the same as being licensed.

if you are not licensed and you are not keeping more children than your state allows, you aren't held to any regulations by the state! the state only regulates LICENSED providers or UNLICENSED providers who are breaking the law. i don't see what the confusion is.

There is no confusion..I am asking what is a legally exempt provider? I dont know what the difference is between the 2.. Are you saying a legally exempt provider is a informal care provider who gets money from the state? why would they get money from the state? I'm trying to learn something here..

The state regulates us, we can be audited, reported, spied upon at any time, the only difference is we don't have that piece of paper hanging on the wall.

Originally Posted by mac60:
The state regulates us, we can be audited, reported, spied upon at any time, the only difference is we don't have that piece of paper hanging on the wall.

so, if you're no different, then why not just hang that "piece of paper" on the wall?

there IS a difference.

Heres something i found:

Legally Exempt Child Care Providers for children from only 1 or 2 families.
These providers are not required to be registered with the state but may choose to go through a simple authorization process. Going through this process enables the care giver to receive payment from the state child care subsidy program (for a qualifying child in their care). There are no training requirements for these providers

In my state if you are not licensed you can not accept state payments from families.

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
so, if you're no different, then why not just hang that "piece of paper" on the wall?

there IS a difference.

Because in our state we don't need that piece of paper to operate a Loving, Caring, Learning environment Home Daycare Business.

I am LISTED with the state of Texas, which means I can care for up to 3 kids other than my own. My husband and I underwent a background check to get listed, and now I'm legal to watch children that are unrelated. No rules to follow. But, if someone files a complaint against me, I'll be subject to inspections... so I assume that means I have to start following regulations if I get a complaint.

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
so, if you're no different, then why not just hang that "piece of paper" on the wall?

there IS a difference.

QualiTcare: maybe being licensed is wonderful for you and I applaud you for it however you really need to stop bashing those who choose to not be or are not required to be. You are no better than the next but you are really coming across as tho you have a "higher than tho" attitude.

We all have our own opinions on how to run our businesses, lets just get along . If you don't agree with something just pass it and move along.

Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Heres something i found:

Legally Exempt Child Care Providers for children from only 1 or 2 families.
These providers are not required to be registered with the state but may choose to go through a simple authorization process. Going through this process enables the care giver to receive payment from the state child care subsidy program (for a qualifying child in their care). There are no training requirements for these providers

In my state if you are not licensed you can not accept state payments from families.

when i was working as a teller i cashed checks for a lady who got paid by the state to watch her grandchildren, but it could vary by state.

then maybe you should go back to bank telling since u are so argumentive and spend way too much time on the computer when you should be watching the kids...

I remember a long time ago, someone wrote on here- WE DO NOT SIT ON THE BABIES(babysit) THe babysitters(teenagers) in this area, make way more money an hr. or an evening, than I could ever imagine making!! I know it's different what the going rate is for childcare providers and babysitters(teenagers)

Originally Posted by Unregistered:
QualiTcare: maybe being licensed is wonderful for you and I applaud you for it however you really need to stop bashing those who choose to not be or are not required to be. You are no better than the next but you are really coming across as tho you have a "higher than tho" attitude.

We all have our own opinions on how to run our businesses, lets just get along . If you don't agree with something just pass it and move along.

where did you ever get the idea i was licensed? just because i understand that there are no regulations for unlicensed providers, informal providers, babysitters - or whatever the PC term may be - doesn't mean i am or was licensed. in fact, i said i wasn't.

Originally Posted by Unregistered:
then maybe you should go back to bank telling since u are so argumentive and spend way too much time on the computer when you should be watching the kids...

i love opening posts from our very own who like to hide. cute! :lol:

i don't watch kids - dig deeper.

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
i love opening posts from our very own who like to hide. cute! :lol:

i don't watch kids - dig deeper.

If you don't watch children any longer why do you bother coming to this forum & harrassing those of us who do? Get a life!

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
i love opening posts from our very own who like to hide. cute! :lol:

i don't watch kids - dig deeper.

thank GOD you dont watch kids!!!! the world is a much better place now!!

another: why are you a moderator on a daycare forum and you dont even operate a daycare?!?! and for some reason, its always those who arent in the business who know it all!!

Originally Posted by janarae:
If you don't watch children any longer why do you bother coming to this forum & harrassing those of us who do? Get a life!

:lol::lol::l::lol::lol::lol: thats FUNNY!!!!

Originally Posted by Unregistered:
thank GOD you dont watch kids!!!! the world is a much better place now!!

another: why are you a moderator on a daycare forum and you dont even operate a daycare?!?! and for some reason, its always those who arent in the business who know it all!!

i'm not in the business of watching kids any longer. i moved on up to the much more profitable and respectable business of teaching them. but - not only do i need a life - i need more money - so i moved on out of that business too. ;)

:mad: Oh my gosh! Will you guys stop?? You are confusing me more!!

Now what is getting "listed" mean when you are a informal care giver??

I want to make sure I'm doing what I am supposed to be doing, and now I am finding out there are all of these other terms out there!

Please stop bickering, this is not a debate about what a babysitter is! Just tell me, what the differences are between:

Being listed
Informal Caregiver
Legally exempt CaregiverI already know about being registred/liscensed!

Originally Posted by janarae:
If you don't watch children any longer why do you bother coming to this forum & harrassing those of us who do? Get a life!

it's ironic how people take the term "babysitting" offensively, but are fine with the term "watching kids."

[quote=QualiTcare;54011]i'm not in the business of watching kids any longer. i moved on up to the much more profitable and respectable business of teaching them. but - not only do i need a life - i need more money - so i moved on out of that business too. ;)[/QUOT

become a politician or lawyer since u know so much about nOTHING...


legomom, try googling the terms to help or visit your states DSS website

[quote=Unregistered;54018]

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:
i'm not in the business of watching kids any longer. i moved on up to the much more profitable and respectable business of teaching them. but - not only do i need a life - i need more money - so i moved on out of that business too. ;)[/QUOT

become a politician or lawyer since u know so much about nOTHING...


legomom, try googling the terms to help or visit your states DSS website

lawyer is later in life - i have another profession to take on before that.

i know you. :)

maybe this will help you lego mom

http://www.health.state.ny.us/health...icaid/ldss.htm

Originally Posted by legomom922:
:mad: Oh my gosh! Will you guys stop?? You are confusing me more!!

Now what is getting "listed" mean when you are a informal care giver??

I want to make sure I'm doing what I am supposed to be doing, and now I am finding out there are all of these other terms out there!

Please stop bickering, this is not a debate about what a babysitter is! Just tell me, what the differences are between:

Being listed
Informal Caregiver
Legally exempt CaregiverI already know about being registred/liscensed!

It really varies depending on what state you are in. In my state (Ohio) you can be simply registered or licensed. There are more complex procedures to follow if you choose to be licensed. I honestly don't know what is involved in being a legally exempt provider. To be totally honest I have never heard of it.

[quote=QualiTcare;54022]

Originally Posted by Unregistered:

lawyer is later in life - i have another profession to take on before that.

i know you. :)

I know who it is too....funny she is posting in the same thread as a member AND as a guest ;)

[quote=Crystal;54055]

Originally Posted by QualiTcare:

I know who it is too....funny she is posting in the same thread as a member AND as a guest ;)

u know what they say - desperate times call from drastic measures :lol: