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Countrygal
![]() I've had similar situations even in the one year I've been open this time around! The behavior was obviously coming from what the children were allowed to do at home, and when they weren't allowed... |
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Countrygal
![]() I am open a regular day. However, I unexpectedly ended up with 1/2 a day off! :) No one likes to work Christmas Eve! :) |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() We are opening daycare presents, stockings, having a pizza party in the living room while we watch a movie. It was cut short because everyone is leaving early, but that's OK.... makes it that much... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I feel for you. Like I mentioned in another post, it is not the norm to receive or give CM gifts around here very often. I gave the kids toys for the daycare and some dollar tree-type things for a... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Have a wonderful Christmas! God Bless us Every One! :) |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Honestly, where we are (very bad economy), I don't think most people give anything. I had one family that gave me a $100 bonus last year, but neither of the other families gave me anything. They... |
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Countrygal
![]() Lots of {{{{{HUGS}}}}} and prayers coming your way! No job, including one we run ourselves, is more important than family. I know how terrible it is to feel the money crunch right at Christmas... |
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Countrygal
![]() Well, for those who still like snow, it's snotopia. For those who want to live in the south but are stuck up here in the north, it's snodiculous. Me, I'm just sno-bound....., sno-tired, and... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Yep, our system stinks. I have waited up to 3 weeks to get a check. My last check was mailed on the 10th and they claim they did not receive it until the 17th..... yeah, right. What office was it... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() When I did this, I took the weekly rate times 52 divided by 12 and then gave a prepay discount of $25 per month. When I hand out the monthly statements if there was an unpaid holiday I took it off on... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Well, I'm all snuggled in and ready, I think. Went to town this am and got milk. ;) Glad it will be gone by the weekend when so many are travelling. Heidi, have a WONDERFUL vaca!!! If you... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() So far we've completed handprint coasters made from cardboard, backed with felt and covered with fabric; votive holder (tissue collage on glass jar); and are almost done with a whole year... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() That's interesting BC. I'm sorry you don't share that right, but I think that our constitution provides for it for you. Hopefully you won't come across any bears or rabid wild turkeys! ... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Assault weapons are already banned, depending upon the type. Noone can just walk around with an M-16, for example. As another poster said, the weapon used in Connecticut was a small caliber rifle. ... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I was thinking of doing this. Keeping it for "extras". They had been given so many clothes here by other parents and myself that they got a lot more than they left.....:rolleyes: |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Well, whatever you did seemed to work, BC. Thank you! Oh, no...... :( They're not working again..... I wonder if it's something with my computer. It just seems weird that they work with... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'm glad things went well for you. If it were me, I think I would offer to help them find good alternative care. Suggest other people you know, tell them you'll act as a reference for them, etc. I... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Well, guess what? They haven't been here since Monday! No word, no text, nothing. I told them I needed money on their account...... Usually they just pay it. This time they obviously just left.... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I don't watch TV and didn't hear of this! I am so glad your family is alright! God Bless! |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Yeah, this is pretty much what I decided to do, but I like the verbage you use here! Thanks for the suggestions! :) Oh, and I give out weekly statements, so all payments are documented on the... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I was wondering the same thing - other than to prove they got it, which I'm not sure you'd have to prove, just document..... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I have worked in law enforcement in another life. Write up an incident report and have them sign AND DATE it. Report only what you, personally, saw and/or heard. What did you see happen and what... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'll probably do it this way. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. It's my first term and I think I've gone out of my way to try to make it work with no favorable results. If and when they... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I've talked til I'm blue in the face. We've even had a sit down meeting about the issues. The trial period has gone on for four months and the issues remain unchanged. |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() How did it go? I would love to just email them, unfortunately they don't have email. I feel a text would be cumbersome. So my only option is mail or in person. |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'm happy that worked out so nice for you. I wish I had your patience! :p |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Boys has been my lot as well! Sometimes I have just wondered "why can't I have a couple of cute little girls? Then I had one come for an interview and was she a terror! Climbing the bookshelves,... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Love LOVE this wording!!! TY!! Less probably is better, but I feel like I need something in writing to CYA for terming..... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Dear DCM&D, Please accept this letter as notice of termination of care for DCKs. We have all spoken numerous times about late drop offs, late cancellations and unreasonably late payments. We... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I have not read all of the posts, so apologize ahead of this is all repeat of what everyone has already mentioned. Writing in sand (or flour or cornmeal - whatever you have) Cutting! It's great... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() We're pretty much through with the horrible cold virus that ran through here, but now we are full tilt into the stomach flu virus. Already have one dck out with it and I expect it will run the... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() When I saw it was Ventura, my eyes just got HUGE!!! We see that kind of stuff all the time around here, but VENTURA???? OMGoodness! |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I made these once and they turned out great and lasted for YEARS. Here's what we did (not sure it's all safe for DC - you might have to do some of the steps yourself. Use tub caulk - the kind... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() ROFL!!!! You have moxie, girl!!! Lot's of little smilies (not working, sorry) |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Thumbs up to what she said !! (smilies still not working, sorry) |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() frugalmama - I DO know better. This guy is very controlling, and the kids are having a very hard time right now (family issues), so I am really trying to accommodate as much as possible. But I know... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I am in the process of switching over. It would just be a better fit for me, my family and my lifestyle. Now if I can only get enough people on board..... :) |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() JUST temper tantrums would be rediculous! But I am under the understanding that certain behaviors associated with temper tantrums can give clues to things like sensory disorders and, yes, autism or... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'm so sorry. This is every daycare's nightmare. Praying for you and your situation! |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() MNMum - it was working fine until this dcd, who is relatively new. Noone else complained about the schedules. But now that he wants nap time earlier, I am having trouble fitting it in. It is... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'm bringing this thread back around because I am in the same boat as Sunchimes in this thread. I have three that come at 5 - 5:30 am, two leave at 7 am, one comes at 11 am, I have three all... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I just got our tech school's listing for the classes they are offering today in the mail. Might be a good time to try calling your tech college. :) |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Yeah!!! Way to go! I'd add some smilies, but for some reason mine aren't working. But I'm thinking cheerleader here! :D |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Oh, my, looks absolutely wonderful! Enjoy your time there! |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Thanks BC. I got a couple of ideas from those sites. I think maybe I'm just in a funk. Nothing looks very interesting to me. This should be the easiest, funnest time of the year!!!! :p |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() OK, I'm stumped. I have been looking for good ideas for Christmas curriculum that is mainly Christian but maybe brings in some of the secular themes. I'm thinking something along the lines of... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Thank you, mom2many! I'll send you my questions as well, as the more information I can gather, the better off I am! I can't afford a cut in pay because right now I only have one full timer and... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Countrygal
![]() I take only three paid holidays, and then only if they fall on a weekday. Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's Day. I also get one week paid vacation. I'm new, but most of my parents... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() You are gonna be sorry because I have approximately 500 questions, but I really appreciate the offer!!!:Sunny: pm'd you!:) |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Yep, BC. I think I'll make this my new motto for ME: Just sayNO:lol::lol::lol: |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I don't think I have a "niche", although I am seriously thinking about before/after and summer school age care. My favorite activity is teaching and I bring learning into EVERYTHING we do. The... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Countrygal
![]() Right now my policy is three pd holidays IF they fall on a weekday, and a weeks paid vacation. I added this because I found most providers around here did this and it is almost impossible for me to... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I know I have issues with it. I would imagine a lot of us do. Usually it's the DCD's for me, but it could be either parent. I have one right now that expects me to change my entire schedule for... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Well, thank you for the nice things you said, and for the great idea! :) Actually, I already have a ton of ideas of what I'd do with them! ;) Countrykids, there is very little for afterschool... |
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Countrygal
![]() The every three hours thing really stinks. No, they don't eat it all. If I serve morning snack, noone eats lunch. I have kids there 12 hour days, so they have to be fed four times. Of course, they... |
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Countrygal
![]() OK, I am SERIOUSLY thinking of doing a before/after school program exclusively. A friend suggested I start this summer advertising early that I would do a summer program for school agers. I can... |
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Countrygal
![]() I do and I don't. ON the food program I am only allowed to claim 2 meals and a snack. By certification standards for my state I have to feed them every 3 hours at the least. So..... That... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!! I was like that at first!! I have it under control (for the most part), but there are still times...... All I can say is ENJOY! |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I guess I posted the last without reading the whole thread! I am so glad that your hubby is having this time of feeling better and that you are able to spend so much time with family and friends! I... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I, too, want to say how sorry I am to hear this. You need to take care of family first. Do what you have to do, and God Bless. Posted this before I read the update! DUH! Please see post below! |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I am thinking I am going to have to go to a set rate. I have only been charging by the hour at the same rate as toddlers, but I am losing a full time slot and am not getting much pay because they... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I listen to "Disney Radio" and "Toddler Radio" stations. Definitely gonna check out the other ones posted here! :) |
Forum: Parents and Guardians Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Honestly, I would have told her right then and there that I had struggled all day because she had asked me to keep it away from him and that I didn't appreciate her not following through. And I... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I know the feeling, but being certified I can only take three children and have a hard time staying full, so I would be afraid to lose the family I have by not taking their SAgers. Mine are good... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I realize there is probably a thread on this somewhere, but my search turned up almost every thread in the forum. :p What, proportionately, do you charge for SA's? Do you charge less (because... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Yes, this. My dgs is just like this as well, and this is how I handle it, for the most part. |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I think something with a winter theme would work. Maybe something based on the bare tree - like Snoopy Christmas after the fall leaves? Put up ornaments and the Peanuts gang. Wouldn't be too hard... |
Forum: Daycare and Taxes
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Thanks, everyone. I eventually figured out I would not have to pay health insurance, however, I do not have it myself, so may have to quit daycare just because I don't make enough to pay for the... |
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Countrygal
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Forum: Daycare and Taxes
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I have about a myriad of questions on this! I can't find much information anywhere. Shouldn't there be a gov't site with all the info on it? We are, supposedly, going to be required to be on it... |
Forum: Parents and Guardians Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'm coming in late on this, but... I am in the camp that I would allow the dcp to switch days with a whole bunch of buts and ifs... There is so much info that is unknown here. Do they do this... |
Forum: Parents and Guardians Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I bought the dc kids small presents last year (under 10), but this year I bought presents for the daycare instead, which I am going to wrap and we will open them all together as presents to ourselves... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() he got sick. We have a nasty virus going around with a terrible, hacking cough. The poor kid feels miserable, but unfortunately for the rest of us, he is making the rest of us feel miserable as... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'm so glad to "hear" all of this! I haven't done much this year, either. I'm not big on Halloween myself and don't really push it, but we did do some crafts, a work unit on Pumpkins and roasted... |
Forum: Curriculum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() That's weird. I had no trouble at all and I have horrible internet service. Did you try deleting all of your cookies? Just a thot.... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I can't believe so many of you get yours so fast. From all reports I've received here in Wisconsin it is six months. Period. No matter how prepared you are or how little or how much you need to... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() As Heidi said, WI already does this. I have had one contact who contacted me because of other non-compliancies she saw on other Daycares. The thing I see as bad about this is that you have no... |
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Countrygal
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Countrygal
![]() I did something similar in a management training once. It was a great tool to use. Never thought about applying it to the pre-school set, although now that you mention it, I did use something... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I'm afraid this is me as well. One of the things I wish I could change but, unfortunately, part of my basic personality, at least to a degree. :rolleyes: I voted Monday - like many of the others,... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Of course, it depends mostly on the rates in your area. I charge 110/wk plus 5 a month craft fee and 3 paid holidays and a week's pd vaca. One family pays this off by the week which comes to an... |
Forum: Curriculum
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Countrygal
![]() I just found an awesome work unit on Smokey Bear HERE (http://www.smokeybear.com/resources.asp). It's geared to K-2, but it looks like it can easily be adapted for the pre-K set. |
Forum: Curriculum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() MOds, you can delete this thread.... I can see the sticky now. For some reason it wasn't there before - I even looked for it cuz I thot we had one! |
Forum: Curriculum
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Countrygal
![]() Well, how come this wasn't showing up on my page??? Duh! I thot we had one somewhere, but couldn't find it! |
Forum: Curriculum
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Countrygal
![]() I just found an awesome work unit on Smokey Bear HERE (http://www.smokeybear.com/resources.asp). It's geared to K-2, but it looks like it can easily be adapted for the pre-K set. |
Forum: Curriculum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Any new or revamped sites that you have just loved this fall??? I'd love to find out about them! Especially free ones. ;):ouch: |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() It seems we have to wait to find out what happened here..... In the meantime, I'll throw in my thoughts. My thoughts are that dcps are really nitpicking. That means that they will probably be... |
Forum: Curriculum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I just found this site and HAD to share. Printed - absolutely free - an entire - no TWO entire units - on for my pre-k and one for my toddler! Lots and lots of ideas!!! And a curriculum schedule... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I have part-timers and I, too, love it. EXCEPT that I only can have 3 here and really struggle with juggling schedules. Right now I have a day opening - could be pt or ft, but can't fill it b/c of... |
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Countrygal
![]() Actually, at the time, all of the kids were too young to join 4H (have to be 5), but they all ended up joining right when they turned 5 :) So it worked out well. I would have had no problem... |
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Countrygal
![]() At one point I was looking, and I would still rather be in a separate house. The one BIG drawback is having to drive to work on rotten weather days. The biggest plus, IMO, is not having to keep... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() This or videos. Kids need unwind time just like adults. We use the videos if the littles are still napping but if not, we all head out - weather permitting. Sometimes we have a quick craft or... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() THIS!! :) Only not bagels with cream cheese, although I'd bet they'd like them! Have tried fruit smoothies, but my kids don't care for them (go figure - they tasted nummy!) They also don't like... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() I allowed/allow the children to join one club. My three we were in 4-H. There is a LOT to do, and they formed life-long friendships. Gs wants to join a model airplane club, or I'm thinking about... |
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Well, I called them three times, texted - still no contact. Finally called the mom and texted. She answered and had the dad contact me. I am more concerned with where the children are than... |
Forum: Daycare Center and Family Home Forum
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Posted By
Countrygal
![]() Kids didn't show up today. Second day of school. Have no idea why - car problems? Found other care (I am pretty sure they are looking for "cheaper" care)? I've been waiting since 5 and still no... |