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Unregistered 07:00 AM 10-12-2018
Hi,

Our 16 month old goes to a home daycare whose provider also has a 16 month old. Our child is the only child she watches in addition to her own. Our provider's child has hand, foot and mouth disease. It's possible our child has already been infected but the provider asked if were going to keep our child home for the day and we said yes. My wife had to rearrange her schedule and cancel some clients because obviously we don't want to bring our child and get her infected if she hasn't been already. I assumed we wouldn't have to pay for the day but she told us because she is open we would still be required to pay. What are your thoughts on this? Should we still be required to pay?
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Cat Herder 07:04 AM 10-12-2018
Typically: If she is able to separate her sick child from yours in another room, then she is able to open. If she is open, tuition is due.
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Unregistered 07:06 AM 10-12-2018
Fair enough. So should I clarify with the provider that we can bring our child if she can promise to keep them separated? And if she can't then it's reasonable to expect she is closing and we shouldn't have to pay?
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Unregistered 07:07 AM 10-12-2018
Obviously it's much easier to keep older kids away from each other than it is with two infants.
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Cat Herder 07:15 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Fair enough. So should I clarify with the provider that we can bring our child if she can promise to keep them separated? And if she can't then it's reasonable to expect she is closing and we shouldn't have to pay?
IMHO, that is completely within reason and to be expected. We must exclude our sick children the same as we expect of parents.

Sometimes that means closing, having a sub or our spouse taking over care of our child.
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Unregistered 07:17 AM 10-12-2018
Thanks for your response! I'll mention it to her.
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Blackcat31 07:22 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Fair enough. So should I clarify with the provider that we can bring our child if she can promise to keep them separated? And if she can't then it's reasonable to expect she is closing and we shouldn't have to pay?
Please be aware however, that keeping them separated only minimizes the chances of your child getting the Hand Foot and Moth virus and that it is no guarantee that your child won't get it.

In actuality your child could have been the one to have spread it to the provider's child as HFM is contagious long after symptoms are gone and many children are carriers without symptoms.

Here is some good info about it.
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...8B8F6E3B9D29E2
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Unregistered 07:30 AM 10-12-2018
That's true. But as of yet our child hasn't shown any symptoms so we're going to do our best until then to keep her away. If she's providing the opportunity to keep them apart then it becomes our decision to either keep our child home or bring them and risk it. If we still decide to keep our child home after she's promised to keep them apart then I can understand her still expecting payment.
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Blackcat31 08:39 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
That's true. But as of yet our child hasn't shown any symptoms so we're going to do our best until then to keep her away. If she's providing the opportunity to keep them apart then it becomes our decision to either keep our child home or bring them and risk it. If we still decide to keep our child home after she's promised to keep them apart then I can understand her still expecting payment.
Would she still allow your child to attend IF your child ultimately does get sick?

If not, will you still be required to pay?

Those are questions that should be addressed with the provider as well.
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LittleExplorers 08:57 AM 10-12-2018
Have you reviewed your contract? She is giving you the option to attend. Even if she didn't, I would not assume you do not have to pay. I have sick days built into my contract so if you would be paying either way. Each provider is different though.

Also, IMO, there in not a way to 100% guarantee they will be completely separate unless someone else is caring for her little one.
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daycarediva 10:00 AM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by LittleExplorers:
Have you reviewed your contract? She is giving you the option to attend. Even if she didn't, I would not assume you do not have to pay. I have sick days built into my contract so if you would be paying either way. Each provider is different though.

Also, IMO, there in not a way to 100% guarantee they will be completely separate unless someone else is caring for her little one.
Even with the child there or even IN/OUT it's still exposure.

OP, your child is already exposed as the virus is present well before symptoms. I would keep him/her home just to be on the safe side. How long are you planning to do so? Most daycares exclude until the sores are healed over, and that can take a bit.

Do you have a contract?
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Unregistered 12:00 PM 10-12-2018
Yes, there is a contract and it states that if she is closed then she would not expect payment. We're going to keep her out until she's due back in the middle of next week. Depending on how her child is and if our child has been infected. According to the contract, if our child is sick at all she would have to stay home and we would pay. I guess her definition of closing the daycare is vague. I would assume that if her child is contagious and she has to care for her then that would necessitate a closure.
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Blackcat31 12:49 PM 10-12-2018
This is one thing I find myself at odds with when providers choose to stay open with their sick child and then give the parents the option of staying home or coming to care still but if they choose to stay home, they still have to pay.

Then later when the DCK gets sick, the provider excludes that child AND still charges for care.

I don't know.

I understand that providers have contracts and parents (usually) know full well what they signed on to but I still think it's kind of a less than fair deal with the client always being the one getting the short end of it.

Just my two cents.
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mommyneedsadayoff 01:46 PM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
This is one thing I find myself at odds with when providers choose to stay open with their sick child and then give the parents the option of staying home or coming to care still but if they choose to stay home, they still have to pay.

Then later when the DCK gets sick, the provider excludes that child AND still charges for care.

I don't know.

I understand that providers have contracts and parents (usually) know full well what they signed on to but I still think it's kind of a less than fair deal with the client always being the one getting the short end of it.

Just my two cents.
I agree. I kind of feel like if a daycare kid couldn't come with the same symptoms or illness, then why should we make an exception for our own children. I know in some people's homes, they are able to keep them separate, but I don't think that really matters honestly. The parent, the siblings, the home , Etc. all carry the germs of the sick child, so separation is kind of an illusion of safety. it's not much of a choice for the parent, in my opinion.
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Snowmom 01:46 PM 10-12-2018
I think providers who give families a "heads up" on any illnesses present (whether it's their children or other daycare children) do it as a courtesy because as a parent, we'd want to know. I don't think that should automatically translate to a free day.
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Sweet pea 01:50 PM 10-12-2018
I always close if my kid gets sick, only happened once in 6 years of operating as inhome daycare. I expect parents to keep sick kids out of my house and in return I do the same.
I canít keep my own kid out of the house so I close. No Payment due as parents may have to pay someone else to watch their kid
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LittleExplorers 03:32 PM 10-12-2018
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
This is one thing I find myself at odds with when providers choose to stay open with their sick child and then give the parents the option of staying home or coming to care still but if they choose to stay home, they still have to pay.

Then later when the DCK gets sick, the provider excludes that child AND still charges for care.


I go back and forth myself on this. My son has asthma so a cold for him quickly turns into a respiratory infection. I have stayed open many times and no other children got a respiratory infection. However, if it was HFM, influenza or a handful of other sicknesses, I would close without pay. Most of my parents prefer I stay open.
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Jupadia 04:09 PM 10-12-2018
For myself with my own 2, I would close and refund (or rather credit) day if I had to. So far the most the kids have gotten is a couple fevers on those days depending on age my sons were I either have been able to have their grandmother stay with them upstairs (where the daycare kids never go), have my husband drop them off at her house (only 5 min away), or keep them separated. I found that separation only works though under 1 year at most after that it's hard, though I think when they get to be 6 or 7 they will be ok upstairs with me just checking in.
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