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Old 04-11-2019, 09:23 AM
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I hope they ban them. I have had kids who sleep in them at night until they physically outgrow them. They can't sleep on a firm surface without rocking.

I'm surprised Fisher Price just gets to call it an inclined sleeper instead of a swing. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if this item isn't their number one best seller.

Now that this has come out, I imagine there will be lawsuits. It will take lawsuits to get them to stop making them.

The warning not to use over three months is so ridiculous. Parents don't follow that. If they wanted that they would size them down to the point where they wouldn't fit after three months.
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Old 04-11-2019, 09:31 AM
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I love the Rock and Play at daycare-I use it to take the newborns with me into the kitchen while making lunch, or to sit them next to me while I do paperwork, or even to take them into the bathroom with me. It makes it so much easier for me to keep them safe and close to me. I just can't believe that any parent would be stupid enough to use it as a crib! It is so obviously NOT safe for that! I agree that banning them would stop rock and play deaths, but those stupid enough to put their kids in them at night will just find another way to endanger their kids so that they (the parents) can sleep, rather than tending to newborns overnight.
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:02 AM
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So many parents encourage other parents to engage in these unsafe behaviors. I have seen people recommend certain carseats because they are better for sleeping No one thinks it will happen to them.

And 32 deaths in 7 years? Why did this recall take so long to enact?
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:16 AM
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I can't find it right now but there was just a thread on here about how great the Rock N Play is/was.... I was surprised at how many providers talked it up like it was the golden ticket to sleep. From what I recall most of it was in reference to their own child but still...
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:18 AM
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I love the Rock and Play at daycare-I use it to take the newborns with me into the kitchen while making lunch, or to sit them next to me while I do paperwork, or even to take them into the bathroom with me. It makes it so much easier for me to keep them safe and close to me. I just can't believe that any parent would be stupid enough to use it as a crib! It is so obviously NOT safe for that! I agree that banning them would stop rock and play deaths, but those stupid enough to put their kids in them at night will just find another way to endanger their kids so that they (the parents) can sleep, rather than tending to newborns overnight.
I use one for daycare too for this reason and also as an extra place during outdoors time but not while they are sleeping. My niece slept in one exclusively and my SIL is going to be better about not even introducing this to their newborn in a few months after seeing this report (so she says). So many infants that I personally know slept in them until they outgrew them, especially since coming out with the ones that self rock!
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:20 AM
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Old 04-11-2019, 10:35 AM
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My new baby, the 30 minute nap king, has one at home FOR NIGHT TIME SLEEPING. Mom brought me one and I never brought it in from the garage. I sent it home Monday. I encouraged mom to stop using the one at home. Mom said when he starts to roll over, she will. She posted video of him rolling over at 2.5 months.

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Old 04-11-2019, 11:07 AM
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Providers here are talking about it, and they feel like it must have not been used properly. They are saying that the straps would prevent a baby from rolling over.

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Old 04-11-2019, 11:12 AM
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Infant equipment (any of it) is the second worst thing ever invented.

Battery operated swings
Vibrating chairs
Bouncy seats
Bumbo chairs
Jump-a-roos
Rock N Play

What's the point of any of them anyways?
To occupy a baby so the parent doesn't have to?
So the baby isn't left to figure out how to occupy themselves? *gasp*

What's wrong with the good old floor when not in an adult caregiver's arms?
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:15 AM
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Infant equipment (any of it) is the second worst thing ever invented.

Battery operated swings
Vibrating chairs
Bouncy seats
Bumbo chairs
Jump-a-roos
Rock N Play

What's the point of any of them anyways?
To occupy a baby so the parent doesn't have to?
So the baby isn't left to figure out how to occupy themselves? *gasp*

What's wrong with the good old floor when not in an adult caregiver's arms?
You left the flight-of-stairs descension device, er, sorry, the baby walker, off the list. At least that one's a distant memory in the US.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:20 AM
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I hope they ban them. I have had kids who sleep in them at night until they physically outgrow them. They can't sleep on a firm surface without rocking.

I'm surprised Fisher Price just gets to call it an inclined sleeper instead of a swing. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if this item isn't their number one best seller.

Now that this has come out, I imagine there will be lawsuits. It will take lawsuits to get them to stop making them.

The warning not to use over three months is so ridiculous. Parents don't follow that. If they wanted that they would size them down to the point where they wouldn't fit after three months.
But it doesn't swing, so it's not a swing right? it's a rocker/recliner. I had one until it wore out. Not the self-rocking kind though. It was a great place for a little one that didn't yet have head control to hang out and watch me make lunch.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:21 AM
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Infant equipment (any of it) is the second worst thing ever invented.

Battery operated swings
Vibrating chairs
Bouncy seats
Bumbo chairs
Jump-a-roos
Rock N Play

What's the point of any of them anyways?
To occupy a baby so the parent doesn't have to?
So the baby isn't left to figure out how to occupy themselves? *gasp*

What's wrong with the good old floor when not in an adult caregiver's arms?
I love bumbos. They give babies another perspective and make awesome highchairs for wiggly skinny twins LOLOL.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:26 AM
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Infant equipment (any of it) is the second worst thing ever invented.

Battery operated swings
Vibrating chairs
Bouncy seats
Bumbo chairs
Jump-a-roos
Rock N Play

What's the point of any of them anyways?
To occupy a baby so the parent doesn't have to?
So the baby isn't left to figure out how to occupy themselves? *gasp*

What's wrong with the good old floor when not in an adult caregiver's arms?
I like bouncy seats but only the OLD school ones with the flat wide trays surrounded by a lip with attached toys and real estate to put a bunch of baby toys on. I like to rotate toys so they always have something new. They ones from the late nineties are awesome. Really nice for that age group of six to nine months when they wear out after a while on the floor and when getting kids dressed for outdoors. They are deep meaning the distance from the crotch to the base of the exersaucer is long enough that you can adjust it so that it fits the leg length of the baby as it grows so it can flat foot the base but not slam the seat to bounce. The new ones have bubbly tops where you can't put a bunch of baby toys on it and they are very shallow. Useless.

I like swings but the old school ones with the high arch and deep seats with trays. I like them for the first few days of having a newborn to four to five months when they are so stressed from being away from the parents and when they are motion addicted. I use them for short periods of time for a few days and then once the baby is used to me it's flat floor or infant seats (old school too). They go back in storage until the next baby comes along. I ALWAYS have the baby within eyeshot in swings and ANY containment equipment except play yards. With play yards it's a check in every few minutes if it's not in the play room.

I don't use the bumbo seats and HATE jumparoos. I've never had a rock n play because they came out when I found out about positional asphyxiation. I have had staff assistants that like the bumbo for feeding when the bumbo is on the floor. I've never used them myself.

I've had SO many motion addicted babies that I use the swings just for a few transition days. If they fall asleep in it they immediately come out. I only use them AFTER naps.

The jolly jumpers addicts are SO hard to take care of. I always ask if they have one at home so I know it will take weeks before the kid gets used to gravity.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:30 AM
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Infant equipment (any of it) is the second worst thing ever invented.
But what is first?!?

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You left the flight-of-stairs descension device, er, sorry, the baby walker, off the list. At least that one's a distant memory in the US.
Why do people say this? Are they supposed to be outlawed here or something? Bc they deff still have them in store by me.
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:32 AM
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You left the flight-of-stairs descension device, er, sorry, the baby walker, off the list. At least that one's a distant memory in the US.
Walmart and several other stores still sell baby walkers
Complete with wheels etc... the only safety feature they seem to have added is the ability to stop the wheels from being used but they’re still sold in stores...

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Cosco-Sim...iABEgIUoPD_BwE
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Old 04-11-2019, 11:35 AM
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Old 04-11-2019, 12:54 PM
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I also like the rock n play for lunch time but not for sleeping! I also always buckled it though too.

As for jumperoos... I don't think they cause motor delays. Both of my own kids LOVED them and they were both preemies who started walking at 10mo. I think it's all about how you use the stuff. People who depend on them to entertain or quiet their children are more of a problem than the toys/devices themselves. I don't see a problem with those who use them in moderation and with common sense.
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Old 04-11-2019, 01:02 PM
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I also like the rock n play for lunch time but not for sleeping! I also always buckled it though too.

As for jumperoos... I don't think they cause motor delays. Both of my own kids LOVED them and they were both preemies who started walking at 10mo. I think it's all about how you use the stuff. People who depend on them to entertain or quiet their children are more of a problem than the toys/devices themselves. I don't see a problem with those who use them in moderation and with common sense.
Jumpers:

Those that suspend from a door frame pose dangers including head trauma, strangulation and whiplash.

All versions encourage standing on the tiptoes, which is not good for baby's feet, and excess jumping puts unnecessary stress on an infant's legs, hips and spines.
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Old 04-11-2019, 01:06 PM
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I love bumbos. They give babies another perspective and make awesome highchairs for wiggly skinny twins LOLOL.
Motor skills can be inhibited when babies are placed in a chair before they are developmentally ready to sit and support the weight of their upper body.

Too many people putting their kids on the counter or the table too....

Something as simply as a Bumboo seat is dangerous but sadly not because of the equipment itself but because of the users.
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Old 04-11-2019, 01:52 PM
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My helpers just had to take the sleep safe course. In it, the Fisher-Price rock and play was specifically named as a do not use item for sleep.
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Old 04-11-2019, 02:53 PM
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I loved my swing for my kids, it's a bit more old style looking with deep seat and tray, and full 5 point harness. I will admit my first did become addicted to falling asleep in it. I put him in there after feeding and let it rock him to sleep while I pumped. But he got big fast and I had to break him of the habit. My seconed enjoyed it but only used it some made sure not to make same mistake.

My first had access to a jolly jumper on frame but I found it to much hassle for the time he used it. So I sold it and the seconed got a jumparoo, that he liked. Best part was it folded so it was easy to take in and out of room and store. Took me forever to find one that did this.

Also had a bouncy seat for seconed that was used when we went out. Either as a spot to eat or at beach or such places. It also folded so made for easy transport. Was never slept in.

As for walkers they are banned in Canada 100%, its illegal for someone to even buy one and cross the border with it.

I dont use any baby equipment except pack n play and highchair for daycare kids, but I dont get them under 1 year. If I do they are close to 1 I'd be breaking them of it right away.

When I worked in center years ago we used car seats for some kids to fall asleep and nap in all the time. Looking back now at what I know I'm so glad we never had an issue.
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:13 PM
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my insides are cringing as I just purchased a swing for my 5 week old. I am anti baby containers... I hate baby containers... then I met colic.
I was only able to take 3 weeks off from work. I am currently doing part time childcare and a part time to full time online job. I get a lot of work done during the day while he naps and is happy. The evening is the only time I can get anything done around the house and happens to be right when the unsoothable crying starts. It lasts 5 hours on average. My husband helps as much as he can but he works two jobs as well. I really just want to clean the kitchen and bathrooms. I guess we will find out tonight how it goes.
I feel like such a traitor
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:31 PM
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Providers here are talking about it, and they feel like it must have not been used properly. They are saying that the straps would prevent a baby from rolling over.

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They won't prevent rolling over. If it had a 5 pt harness, maybe, but kids should NEVER sleep in one!
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:58 PM
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Infant equipment (any of it) is the second worst thing ever invented.

Battery operated swings
Vibrating chairs
Bouncy seats
Bumbo chairs
Jump-a-roos
Rock N Play

What's the point of any of them anyways?
To occupy a baby so the parent doesn't have to?
So the baby isn't left to figure out how to occupy themselves? *gasp*

What's wrong with the good old floor when not in an adult caregiver's arms?
I felt this way about jump-a-roos and other "containment" devices, but one of my kids' physical therapists had ordered me to put him in the jumparoo and leave him there as much of the day as he would tolerate (he had CP and wouldn't hold his head up even at 16 months-because he was a micro-preemie, he was about the size of a 4 month old at this age). I got a jumparoo and put him in it and it really did help him with physical development. He was a kid who was never supposed to even crawl, and he started walking recently at 3.5 years old! The PT told me that there was a time and place for everything.

His other therapists (early learning specialist, speech therapist, and one more who I can't remember) would bring ipads and use those during therapy. When I asked about using screens at that age, they insisted that it was the norm and that it was helpful. All those therapists really helped me stop seeing black and white.

I have a Bumbo-I use it for feeding infants their purees. I like keeping infants on the floor as much as possible because I feel that it helps physical development, but also because I think it helps them feel more confident in being on their own level. I do almost everything on the floor with infants. I use the Bumbo just to keep them from wandering away during a feeding, because before I started using it and would have an infant just sit on the floor, they would constantly wander off as soon as they could crawl.
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I felt this way about jump-a-roos and other "containment" devices, but one of my kids' physical therapists had ordered me to put him in the jumparoo and leave him there as much of the day as he would tolerate (he had CP and wouldn't hold his head up even at 16 months-because he was a micro-preemie, he was about the size of a 4 month old at this age). I got a jumparoo and put him in it and it really did help him with physical development. He was a kid who was never supposed to even crawl, and he started walking recently at 3.5 years old! The PT told me that there was a time and place for everything.

His other therapists (early learning specialist, speech therapist, and one more who I can't remember) would bring ipads and use those during therapy. When I asked about using screens at that age, they insisted that it was the norm and that it was helpful. All those therapists really helped me stop seeing black and white.

I have a Bumbo-I use it for feeding infants their purees. I like keeping infants on the floor as much as possible because I feel that it helps physical development, but also because I think it helps them feel more confident in being on their own level. I do almost everything on the floor with infants. I use the Bumbo just to keep them from wandering away during a feeding, because before I started using it and would have an infant just sit on the floor, they would constantly wander off as soon as they could crawl.
Yep, this has been my life too. I feel like we've had to do so much for DD that has been the opposite of normal advice. Even at her last assessment, when I asked the school district psych for advice in making progress with social skills, she surprised me by recommending the show We Bare Bears and having DD watch the facial expressions.

And as a bonus, it's a hilarious show.
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You left the flight-of-stairs descension device, er, sorry, the baby walker, off the list. At least that one's a distant memory in the US.
Umm..both my kids had walkers. My 12 year old and my 21 month old. You could still buy them in BRUS when they were open. Amazon still sells them in US.
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Old 04-12-2019, 05:05 AM
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Umm..both my kids had walkers. My 12 year old and my 21 month old. You could still buy them in BRUS when they were open. Amazon still sells them in US.
Hm. I must be thinking I'm in Canada or something. Fortunately, word of mouth must have worked here, because I don't know anybody who used or asked for one. I think they're still popular in the Middle East and other regions of the world.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:22 AM
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In Canada where the walkers have been banned, you think parents would get it that it's not safe. But I know of a few people who have smuggled one over the boarder just to have one and many others who wish they could get one. I cant understand the need to smuggle a device that has proved to be unsafe and then banned, just so you have some container to put your kid in. There are still plenty of legal options for parents.
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Old 04-12-2019, 06:56 AM
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I cringe when mom's list them as a must have item for new mom's. I read the deaths have been due to misuse, keeping baby in them beyond the age/weight/developmental stage they are meant for. Regardless, they should do away with them and anything like them in my opinion.
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Old 04-12-2019, 07:07 AM
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In Canada where the walkers have been banned, you think parents would get it that it's not safe. But I know of a few people who have smuggled one over the boarder just to have one and many others who wish they could get one. I cant understand the need to smuggle a device that has proved to be unsafe and then banned, just so you have some container to put your kid in. There are still plenty of legal options for parents.
Here's how somebody phrased their question on Quora:
I read that babies should play on the floor in the kitchen instead of in a walker, but is it safe to let her sit on the tile, since she could fall and hurt her head while I'm busy?


So what I see in that question is:
Cluelessness. The parent isn't thinking about the fact that a fall from a contraption that an adult uses to keep a child out of their way (positioning seat, walker, swing, high chair) will be more severe than a fall from the floor onto the floor.

Inflexibility. The parent is not willing to adjust their home environment to make it accommodating to the child. A gated-off space in the kitchen, or an adjacent child-safe space, needs to be created if the parent is going to do housework in the kitchen while also caring for the child. It's the child's house, too. Learn to share!

An unspoken belief that doodads and contraptions are better than no doodads and contraptions. In the early 20th century, people who didn't know much about science were easily persuaded that removing warm grubby humanity and replacing it with stuff from labs was the only way to parent. Now parents assume shiny glass touchscreens are the solution to all their challenges. We tend to worship things that seem smarter than us, and we don't do real research; we just do what that well-dressed, well-rested mom on YouTube does.
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My local news did a story on this and asked the viewers if they ever used carseats or rock n plays for sleep. Out of 2500 responses, over 80% said they had or were currently using them.

In my opinion, the devices are not the problem. Any of them used appropriately and in moderation and with SUPERVISION, are not going to do any harm. Misuse and overuse by parents who follow the mentality of "it wont happen to me", (you know, because their baby is always an exception) are the reason these deaths occur. Lawsuits only validate the lack of responsibility we put on parents in regards to their childs safety. The amount of research and information about unsafe sleep is huge and right at the parents fingertips, but they choose to ignore until something happens and then they pass the blame to someone else. Grapes and hotdogs are well known to be major choking hazards, yet parents constantly give them to their children not cut up. Coffee is hot, but now we need a warning label to remind us not to spill it on ourselves. I wish parents would just err on the side of caution versus doing whatever is most convenient for them. God forbid we let a baby cry or they will get brain damage, which there is no evidence to support, but tossing them in a device to sleep is just fine, even though there is plenty of research to support how dangerous that can be. ok, off my soapbox now!
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They have been recalled

Fisher-Price Recalls Rock ‘n Play Sleepers Due to Reports of Deaths
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Name of product:
All Models of Rock ‘n Play Sleeper
Hazard:
Infant fatalities have occurred in Rock ‘n Play Sleepers, after the infants rolled from their back to their stomach or side while unrestrained, or under other circumstances.

Remedy:
Recall date:
April 12, 2019
Units:
About 4.7 million products
Consumer Contact:
Fisher-Price online at www.service.mattel.com and click on “Recalls & Safety Alerts” or toll-free at 866-812-6518 from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. ET Monday through Friday for more information.

Recall Details
Description:
This recall involves all Rock ‘n Play Sleepers.


Remedy:
Consumers should immediately stop using the product and contact Fisher-Price for a refund or voucher.

Incidents/Injuries:
Since the 2009 product introduction, over 30 infant fatalities have occurred in Rock ‘n Play Sleepers, after the infants rolled over while unrestrained, or under other circumstances.

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Major retailers for approximately $40 to $149.

Importer(s):
Fisher-Price, of East Aurora, N.Y.

Manufactured In:
China
Recall number:
19-105
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The resell on these will be huge. The price will be high. I hope for sale sites remove ads when they pop up.
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https://service.mattel.com/us/recall/BJD57_ivr.asp

Here's the recall protocol from Mattel.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...rs/3450923002/

4.7 million? Wow I'm wondering what product other than bottles, bibs, etc. has had 4.7 million bought?

I don't think there will be a huge return on the motorized ones. Can you imagine how valuable they will be? Parents of first time kids will keep for next kids. I can see a black market for them for sure. There are also a couple of other similar "reclined sleepers" still on the market.

I wonder how the states will handle these in daycare? I wonder if pediatricians and hospitals will make it a practice to notify parents of the recall and document that they have? I wonder if parents continuing to use them will be liable for child endangerment if they do so?

At some point the millions of them out there will die most likely because they are really being used until the baby outgrows the equipment rather than by the age limit of three months. With the babies weight and physical prowess of kicking and bucking, the equipment will die at some point. They are also used for many hours at a time for overnight sleep and nap so they will wear out.

It will take a few years though. I think parents will just switch back to regular infant swings for overnights. It's not going to stop parents wanting a motion sleeper. I do think most manufacturers have really sized down swings compared to how big they were in the nineties and early 2000's. Any good piece of equipment gets sized down as it grows in popularity. Play pens are tiny and shallow compared to the old school ones. Bouncy seats are way smaller.

I have never seen one of these but my guess is once they added the battery operated ones and the price went to 150 they eventually started sizing them down. Is that true?

What's out there that is comparable? I've seen the swings that go back and forth and side to side but they seem way bigger than the rock n play. I wonder if some of the allure of the rock n play is it is smaller and takes up less real estate in the room.

I've been interested in this piece of equipment for a long time because I could see this coming. I'm really interested in the impact on the brain of babies who have so much motion for so many hours a day. I'm interested in it because I have had SO many babies who are motion addicted when they come into care and even with parents knowing that having them sleep in swings is dangerous they still do it. I did see some downtick in it when the price of formula skyrocketed and breast feeding became popular again. Then the nipple attached all night long co-sleeping baby came on the scene which is a different animal than the motion baby.

I really do wonder if we will get to the point where babies are just put to bed on a flat surface by themselves with nothing in the bed to sleep. My gut tells me this is a rare baby at home.
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they are saying that the straps would prevent a baby from rolling over.

We had one in the daycare. This isnt true. I had a baby in one of these, strapped in, and she managed to squirm and roll. Arching her back, she could get up over the edges. She was a premee and much smaller than the guidelines said!
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I'm thinking that if it's possible to misuse a piece of equipment then it's dangerous, because someone somewhere will definitely misuse it.

Having said that, I've seen stats that say that 90% of car seats are not used properly or installed properly or something like that.
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