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NillaWafers 11:07 AM 06-01-2016
So my illness policy excludes on symptoms, not illnesses. I basically say if it's interrupting our day they have to stay home. DCG3 arrived here at 6:30 this morning and has already gone through a whole box of tissues. Every time she sneezes it's like the entire contents of her nose are expelled.
It's totally grossing me out, her mom says it's "allergies" but I'm highly doubting that as its summer and the other little girl I have has a runny nose too. She isn't sneezing every second and doesn't seem super bothered by it though.
Where do you say too much is too much? An entire box of tissues? Lol.
It's totally grossing me out, her mom says it's "allergies" but I'm highly doubting that as its summer and the other little girl I have has a runny nose too. She isn't sneezing every second and doesn't seem super bothered by it though.
Where do you say too much is too much? An entire box of tissues? Lol.
MunchkinWrangler 11:10 AM 06-01-2016
IMO that's excessive. I'm having a hard time with that too because once one kid has a runny nose they all do. I would have to say exclude. That's a lot of tissues to go through in one morning!!
Blackcat31 11:16 AM 06-01-2016
Originally Posted by NillaWafers:
So my illness policy excludes on symptoms, not illnesses. I basically say if it's interrupting our day they have to stay home. DCG3 arrived here at 6:30 this morning and has already gone through a whole box of tissues. Every time she sneezes it's like the entire contents of her nose are expelled.
It's totally grossing me out, her mom says it's "allergies" but I'm highly doubting that as its summer and the other little girl I have has a runny nose too. She isn't sneezing every second and doesn't seem super bothered by it though.
Where do you say too much is too much? An entire box of tissues? Lol.
Without an allergy diagnosis from a Dr and a written plan for care management, mom can say its due to Blue Crayola Crayons... makes no difference to me the cause... the child would definitely be excluded. So my illness policy excludes on symptoms, not illnesses. I basically say if it's interrupting our day they have to stay home. DCG3 arrived here at 6:30 this morning and has already gone through a whole box of tissues. Every time she sneezes it's like the entire contents of her nose are expelled.
It's totally grossing me out, her mom says it's "allergies" but I'm highly doubting that as its summer and the other little girl I have has a runny nose too. She isn't sneezing every second and doesn't seem super bothered by it though.
Where do you say too much is too much? An entire box of tissues? Lol.
ANY symptom that requires more care/attention than I am able to provide without compromising the care, safety and supervision of the other childre IS excluable in my program.
Blackcat31 11:18 AM 06-01-2016
"allergies" is just another word for "teething" and is most often used by parents whos children are beyond the normal teething stage. 
EntropyControlSpecialist 11:41 AM 06-01-2016
Originally Posted by NillaWafers:
So my illness policy excludes on symptoms, not illnesses. I basically say if it's interrupting our day they have to stay home. DCG3 arrived here at 6:30 this morning and has already gone through a whole box of tissues. Every time she sneezes it's like the entire contents of her nose are expelled.
It's totally grossing me out, her mom says it's "allergies" but I'm highly doubting that as its summer and the other little girl I have has a runny nose too. She isn't sneezing every second and doesn't seem super bothered by it though.
Where do you say too much is too much? An entire box of tissues? Lol.
I would say that you're concerned and she needs to be seen by her Doctor to develop a treatment plan for her sudden onset of severe allergies. She can return upon the symptoms clearing up and with a written plan for how this will be handled should it re-occur. So my illness policy excludes on symptoms, not illnesses. I basically say if it's interrupting our day they have to stay home. DCG3 arrived here at 6:30 this morning and has already gone through a whole box of tissues. Every time she sneezes it's like the entire contents of her nose are expelled.
It's totally grossing me out, her mom says it's "allergies" but I'm highly doubting that as its summer and the other little girl I have has a runny nose too. She isn't sneezing every second and doesn't seem super bothered by it though.
Where do you say too much is too much? An entire box of tissues? Lol.
I don't ever let kids in with cold-like symptoms claiming allergies anymore. I tell their parents their allergies need to be under control and that there are GREAT Doctors out there who specialize in this field and can help them. They stop claiming allergies after that because it does them no good and I'll refer them to an allergist and say they need a plan.
NillaWafers 11:52 AM 06-01-2016
Ok good, I sent her home and told her dad she either needed to be diagnosed with allergies and come up with a plan, or she's sick and needs to rest.
I normally allow mild runny noses and coughs cus if I excluded for all colds I would never have kids here haha. But this was beyond mild
I normally allow mild runny noses and coughs cus if I excluded for all colds I would never have kids here haha. But this was beyond mild
CityGarden 12:29 PM 06-01-2016
Different children react to allergies differently some will be stuffed up others will be runny like a faucet.
My dd loves to blow her nose until it is raw but she is just blowing and nothing is coming out because she tend to be the stuffed up type. That said we do have an amazing allergist and a detailed treatment plan. If my dd was excluded from school everytime she was blowing her nose more than normal she would miss half the year because I won't drug her until it is needed. (She has to take an allergy med with a steroid so I limit it to seasonally when she is truly bad)
That said, I would have sent that child home because you have no written documentation that it is allergies.
My dd loves to blow her nose until it is raw but she is just blowing and nothing is coming out because she tend to be the stuffed up type. That said we do have an amazing allergist and a detailed treatment plan. If my dd was excluded from school everytime she was blowing her nose more than normal she would miss half the year because I won't drug her until it is needed. (She has to take an allergy med with a steroid so I limit it to seasonally when she is truly bad)
That said, I would have sent that child home because you have no written documentation that it is allergies.
NillaWafers 12:49 PM 06-01-2016
Originally Posted by CityGarden:
Different children react to allergies differently some will be stuffed up others will be runny like a faucet.
My dd loves to blow her nose until it is raw but she is just blowing and nothing is coming out because she tend to be the stuffed up type. That said we do have an amazing allergist and a detailed treatment plan. If my dd was excluded from school everytime she was blowing her nose more than normal she would miss half the year because I won't drug her until it is needed. (She has to take an allergy med with a steroid so I limit it to seasonally when she is truly bad)
That said, I would have sent that child home because you have no written documentation that it is allergies.
Honestly, if she was just sneezing I wouldn't care but every time she sneezed, it was all over her hands, shirt, and face. Try cleaning up that mess 30-40x in 5 hours haha.Different children react to allergies differently some will be stuffed up others will be runny like a faucet.
My dd loves to blow her nose until it is raw but she is just blowing and nothing is coming out because she tend to be the stuffed up type. That said we do have an amazing allergist and a detailed treatment plan. If my dd was excluded from school everytime she was blowing her nose more than normal she would miss half the year because I won't drug her until it is needed. (She has to take an allergy med with a steroid so I limit it to seasonally when she is truly bad)
That said, I would have sent that child home because you have no written documentation that it is allergies.
DanceMom 01:05 PM 06-01-2016
My son gets SEVERE allergies in the spring and still has them today - his nose runs like a faucet,sneezes like crazy, bad sore throat and extremely red puffy eyes - I always have to send a note to school that he does not have pink eye) it's awful !! I agree though that child needs to be seen to get on a plan (as we did with my son). Ya never know if it's something else.
NillaWafers 01:07 PM 06-01-2016
Originally Posted by DanceMom:
My son gets SEVERE allergies in the spring and still has them today - his nose runs like a faucet,sneezes like crazy, bad sore throat and extremely red puffy eyes - I always have to send a note to school that he does not have pink eye) it's awful !! I agree though that child needs to be seen to get on a plan (as we did with my son). Ya never know if it's something else.
Exactly! She needs meds if it's gonna be that severe. Hopefully it is allergies and she will just be put on clairitin or something.My son gets SEVERE allergies in the spring and still has them today - his nose runs like a faucet,sneezes like crazy, bad sore throat and extremely red puffy eyes - I always have to send a note to school that he does not have pink eye) it's awful !! I agree though that child needs to be seen to get on a plan (as we did with my son). Ya never know if it's something else.
MunchkinWrangler 02:13 PM 06-01-2016
Originally Posted by DanceMom:
My son gets SEVERE allergies in the spring and still has them today - his nose runs like a faucet,sneezes like crazy, bad sore throat and extremely red puffy eyes - I always have to send a note to school that he does not have pink eye) it's awful !! I agree though that child needs to be seen to get on a plan (as we did with my son). Ya never know if it's something else.
I just don't understand why any parent would let their child suffer right? I know when my allergies get bad, it can be so uncomfortable. Unfortunately all my 'allergy' cases have just been a cold....which turned into really bad croup for my son causing us to go to the ER Monday night. Had to do daycare off of a couple hours of sleep. I'm tightening my exclusions...again.My son gets SEVERE allergies in the spring and still has them today - his nose runs like a faucet,sneezes like crazy, bad sore throat and extremely red puffy eyes - I always have to send a note to school that he does not have pink eye) it's awful !! I agree though that child needs to be seen to get on a plan (as we did with my son). Ya never know if it's something else.
Mandy 02:40 PM 06-01-2016
I know others have said this already, but I wanted to chime in too. A whole box of tissues that the kid already used up in one morning definitely means something needs to be looked at. I hope the parents get her to the doctor and that they have a plan in place 
thrivingchildcarecom 05:31 PM 06-01-2016
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Without an allergy diagnosis from a Dr and a written plan for care management, mom can say its due to Blue Crayola Crayons... makes no difference to me the cause... the child would definitely be excluded.
ANY symptom that requires more care/attention than I am able to provide without compromising the care, safety and supervision of the other childre IS excluable in my program.
I like that blackcat! Maybe we should include that very statement!Without an allergy diagnosis from a Dr and a written plan for care management, mom can say its due to Blue Crayola Crayons... makes no difference to me the cause... the child would definitely be excluded.
ANY symptom that requires more care/attention than I am able to provide without compromising the care, safety and supervision of the other childre IS excluable in my program.
BabyMonkeys 05:39 PM 06-01-2016
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Without an allergy diagnosis from a Dr and a written plan for care management, mom can say its due to Blue Crayola Crayons... makes no difference to me the cause... the child would definitely be excluded.
Without an allergy diagnosis from a Dr and a written plan for care management, mom can say its due to Blue Crayola Crayons... makes no difference to me the cause... the child would definitely be excluded.
That literally made me laugh out loud 
NillaWafers 06:04 PM 06-01-2016
Thanks for the advice. Mom texted me after work and DCG has, guess what, a summer cold. She won't be coming in tomorrow. 
I, however, am getting a sore throat
I, however, am getting a sore throat
284878 06:16 AM 06-02-2016
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
"allergies" is just another word for "teething" and is most often used by parents whos children are beyond the normal teething stage.
So I had DMC come in telling me the dcb has allergies since he spent all day out side with her, going outside with me does not worsen the syptoms. Dcb is teething and has a cold, it is minor syptoms, wiping hourly, no cough. In a case like this would you correct DCM?"allergies" is just another word for "teething" and is most often used by parents whos children are beyond the normal teething stage.
NillaWafers 07:38 AM 06-02-2016
I think I'm going to put in my handbook that if you say your kid has allergies, it must come with a doctors note. Otherwise, lets assume it's a cold >_<
Blackcat31 08:00 AM 06-02-2016
Originally Posted by 284878:
So I had DMC come in telling me the dcb has allergies since he spent all day out side with her, going outside with me does not worsen the syptoms. Dcb is teething and has a cold, it is minor syptoms, wiping hourly, no cough. In a case like this would you correct DCM?
Nope. Because parents can label anything their kid has in any way they want. My ONLY concern is whether their symptoms interfere with my ability to provide care and supervision to the others. So I had DMC come in telling me the dcb has allergies since he spent all day out side with her, going outside with me does not worsen the syptoms. Dcb is teething and has a cold, it is minor syptoms, wiping hourly, no cough. In a case like this would you correct DCM?
Mom can say teething, cold or allergies...she can say whatever word she wants and my actions would still be the same.
So, no I would not correct mom's terminology.
EntropyControlSpecialist 11:42 AM 06-02-2016
Originally Posted by 284878:
So I had DMC come in telling me the dcb has allergies since he spent all day out side with her, going outside with me does not worsen the syptoms. Dcb is teething and has a cold, it is minor syptoms, wiping hourly, no cough. In a case like this would you correct DCM?
I do. I always smile and say, "Oh yes, we have a slight cold going around. I'll let you know if it gets worse and he needs to be picked up. So I had DMC come in telling me the dcb has allergies since he spent all day out side with her, going outside with me does not worsen the syptoms. Dcb is teething and has a cold, it is minor syptoms, wiping hourly, no cough. In a case like this would you correct DCM?
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