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Same here. I would never subject my child to Head Start here.
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I think it all boils down to the fact that there is no easy solution. I've observed a "push down" effect with schooling. By that, I mean that children are expected to know so much more academically at a younger age than ever before. Our local public schools have preschool for those who qualify and I have been amazed at how much emphasis is placed on academics as opposed to the priviate preschools my children went to, which focused more on social skills and learning through play. Childhood is short enough and it seems sad that children are pushed at such a young age. Just my 2c.
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ouch that hurt! Lol I know you didn't mean it exactly that way. I am a licensed CNA/GNA and often times I knew more than my nurses. They may have gone to school longer but I had the hands on experience. I could chew up a first year and spit them out. I could always spot one. I think kids need more time to play and be kids. |
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Spending on education is the most important program to spend on!
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Thanks Nannyde! My dh is one and they are highly underpaid and underappreciated!!-sorry to veer off topic op!
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I agree...education is important. My point is where is the money going to come from?????.....what program(s) do you think should be cut to balance the budget, get us out of debt and fund education? We can not continue as a country down the road of spend, spend, spend.....it needs to stop! JMO
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We wouldn't even be having this conversation if the government would wise up and realize:
"You know something? Most of the people who are out of a job right now do not have a college education and most of the jobs out there now require a degree. Maybe we should consider putting more effort in retraining people who are on welfare or governement assistance and requiring them to go to school to get funds instead of paying them more money than they would make working full time at McDonald's for watching tv. Maybe that way they can eventually pay for their own child care and health care instead of the government having to pay for it. Who knows? Maybe their kids would be more likely to go to college if they go to college." Fact: Children are more likely to go to college if their parent's when to college. There are a few exeptions because there are lots of people who are first generation college students and some people who decide not to go to college when their parents went to college, but it does increase the likelihood of them being able to afford it or be motivated to go. |
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I realize I'm "old school" but since when did having a college degree become the criteria for whether you are smart enough to do a job successfully! It seems that WAY too much emphasis is placed on how much schooling an individual has.
I can ONLY speak from my own personal experience and I feel that all of this "formal" education is absolute nonsense...ESPECIALLY when we are talking about preschoolers! YIKES!!!!!! My grandfather ran a very successful air conditioning/refrigeration business that he started from ABSOLUTELY nothing with ONLY a 7th grade education. He was forced to drop out of school at age 13 to help out with the family farm. He read books & self taught himself and was worth millions when he sold his business. It was hard work, but he truly lived the American dream! My oldest son just got hired at Apple computer making over 100 grand a year at age 26 with NO college degree! Their criteria is "how do you think & problem solve & get along with others", which is something that no amount of classroom instruction will ever guarantee teaching an individual! I can proudly say he NEVER attended a preschool or pre k and my father who was a 6th grade teacher, advised me that the BEST thing I could do is to teach him how to play in the "sand box". He went on to public school and was in AP classes from the get go. He took college courses in high school and got straight A's. In college he dappled in music, simply because he loved it. Interestingly enough this job he just got was not based on any of his college education! Through the interview process, they truly analyzed how he problem solved & MOST importantly "HOW HE GOT ALONG WITH PEOPLE"! Gee, what a novel idea especially coming from the leader in computer technology... Apple Corp. Glad to get that off my chest... So done with people saying you are not smart without having a professor decide you are! Oh and BTW...I do have a college degree, NOT in ECE, but I have been very successful for 26+ years and LOVE what I do!!!! Last edited by mom2many; 03-07-2013 at 11:05 PM. Reason: wording |
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http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...nally-released
Since 1965, taxpayers have spent more than $180 billion on Head Start.[1] Yet, over the decades, this Great Society relic has failed to improve academic outcomes for the children it was designed to help. The third-grade follow-up evaluation is the latest in a growing body of evidence that should urge policymakers to seriously consider Head Start’s future. Impacts on Cognitive Development. For cognitive development, the third-grade study assessed 11 outcomes for the original three- and four-year-old cohorts. Access to Head Start for each group had no statistically measurable effects on all measures of cognitive ability, including numerous measures of reading, language, and math ability.[6] Here is the final report: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default...mary_final.pdf These impacts on children’s experiences translated into favorable impacts at the end of one year in the domains of children’s cognitive development and health, as well as in parenting practices. There were more significant findings across the measures within these domains for 3-year-olds in that first year (and only the 3-year-old cohort experienced improvements in the social-emotional domain.) Yet, by the end of 1st grade, there were few significant differences between the Head Start group as a whole and the control group as a whole for either cohort.
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Totally agree with your sentiments, and I, too, have a college degree. I can see this might take us in another direction -- with the cost of college being so high and the amount of students who now graduate with debt, perhaps we will return to a more balanced view of the necessity of a college education. There will always be professions that require a degree, of course, but there are many jobs that require plain common sense -- and like your son, problem-solving skills and the ability to work well with others.
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There is an old man who lives 2 doors down from me. He is 92. The entire neighborhood celebrated his 90th birthday. My kids adore him because he is so fun to listen to to. He left school at 14 to help his mother raise his siblings and joined the marines as soon as he was able to and served in the South Pacific during WW2. He married and raised 6 children with his darling wife (who passed away 4 years ago). He only received a minimal formal education and I think he is one of the wisest, most "educated" men I have ever met. |
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Since we are speaking about education...here's an interesting article. The nation typically adopts it's text book use from Texas, so it wouldn't be absurd to think their standard curriculum could be next.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...iculum-system/ |
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Here we have both Head Start and what is called NCPK which is the North Carolina Pre-Kindergarten program. NCPK is what used to be called More at Four and was run by our school system for those children that qualify either through income, military, or other needs such as mild developmental delays, speech therapy, OT, etc. Now it is run outside of our school system although the school system still does the evaluations for special needs. There are very strict guidelines on how you have to run your program if you want to participate (I looked into it when it was first rolling out but decided against it because of the stringent rules on how I would have to run my program such as not being able to celebrate holidays). It is requred to be a 6 hour program and most places that do participate run wrap around services such as before and after care. So the state pays the center for the 6 hours of NCPK and the parent pays for the b/a care. So as of now those of us that don't participate in NCPK have more of the middle income families that make too much to participate in either HS or NCPK. If/when universal preschool comes about, these parents will be gone as well unless we adapt and join with them. |
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1. Obama won the electoral college *and* the popular vote the last election (even if it was literally just by a hair.) 2. Since when did I disagree that Gore/Bush was "fair?" Where would such an assumption even come from?? The electoral college system is archaic and broken period. It was adopted to balance the power of votes when people didn't have access to sufficient or reliable information on candidates. Obviously, that's no longer an issue and hasn't been for a very long time. No matter who eeks by taking advantage or it or not it still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't work and nowhere did I argue otherwise. This isn't grade school. I don't argue points in only one direction. I look at the facts. 3. What would it have to do with the price of tea in china even if someone here had brought up the issue of "fairness?" What does Gore/Bush have to do with the issue of universal preschool and Obama's push to start up a program with exact parallels to Head Start? |
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What I stated is that an independent council was formed to evaluate HEAD START and declared it in their scathing report - an epic fail. If you work for them I'm straight shocked you aren't aware of that evaluation and report. It's exactly why they lost vast amounts of funding and why people everywhere liberal and conservative admit it's something the government shouldn't continue to dump tax payer funds into. I already provided one link to an article written in response to it. Here are a couple others though if you'd like to learn more about what they discovered studying the program from it's origins through to 2009: http://graceuniversity.edu/iip/2011/07/11-07-30-2/ http://reason.org/news/printer/head-...federal-presch In the above link, an analysis of the study results: The study used a gold-standard, random assignment design and had a very large nationally representative sample. This was a well done study. For students who were randomly assigned to Head Start or not at the age of 4, the researchers collected 19 measures of cognitive impacts at the end of kindergarten and 22 measures when those students finished 1st grade. Of those 41 measures, only 1 was significant and positive. The remaining 40 showed no statistically significant difference. The one significant effect was for receptive vocabulary, which showed no significant advantage for Head Start students after kindergarten but somehow re-emerged at the end of 1st grade. The study used the more relaxed p< .1 standard for statistical significance, so we could have seen about 4 significant differences by chance alone and only saw 1. That positive effect had an effect size of .09, which is relatively modest. For students randomly assigned to Head Start or not at the age of 3, the researchers also collected 41 measures of lasting cognitive effects. This time they found 2 statistically significant positive effects and 1 statistically significant negative effect. For the students who began at age 3 they showed a .08 effect size benefit from Head Start in oral comprehension after first grade and a .26 effect size benefit in Spanish vocabulary after kindergarten but a .19 effect size decline in math ability at the end of kindergarten. Again, 38 of the 41 measures of lasting effects showed no difference and the few significant effects, which could be produced by chance, showed mixed results. It is safe to say from this very rigorous evaluation that Head Start had no lasting effect on the academic preparation of students. This study and subsequent report came out in 2010. Obama has chosen to completely ignore the results and instead chooses to flat out LIE, continuing to tout benefits it obviously doesn't produce. Not only does he continue to stew in denial (or possibly just arrogance), but now he wants to start up ANOTHER IDENTICAL PROGRAM just like it while continuing to fund the old broken one as well (and under funding proven programs like the much more productive and cost effective DC Scholarship program...) How is that for Obama's promise of only supporting "evidence-based education policies." It's absolute madness. |
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I disagree with anything forced upon families.
If a parent decides to place their child in federally funded public preschool at 3-4 years of age that is what they should get. If a parent decides they want their child in a private home childcare environment (like mine) then that should be what they get. Forcing me to function like the federally funded public preschool, against my will, in my private home is a huge problem. I should have the right to offer the services I choose. Parents should have the right to choose what services they want for their child.
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Thank you My Angels foryour original post! I know you said to comment on this and you actually provided a link for that. Interesting how every one is commenting on here though and not the link you so nicely provided for us.
Interesting how we argue back and forth on issues here instead of emailing, writing, facebooking, making phone calls to the people that are in charge of these issues. I guess we are going to solve the whole issue on here instead of in Washington/our states where the leaders of our country/states reside. My point: If you want something like this solved, take a stand and fight for it! Arguing on here is not going to solve anything. I do have to say its an interesting subject and interesting points have been made. I think it would be wonderful though if everyone took their points, and contact someone higher up (email, call, write, facebook) and let them know how they feel. Flood their offices and have them see you point. You will never know if it will work unless you try- |
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Kids come out of high school (dual enrolled with a trade school at tax payer cost) with these new early childhood education "degrees" that do not transfer to actual colleges. They believe they are prepared to do the jobs. It is a laughable "solution". How does this translate to "quality"? They wash out in about a year. The reply I got was "Thank you for your comments." in an email with a donation button.
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They want to transfer licensing for family child care and child care centers from DHS to this department. "....progress of the stage of Minnesota in moving toward a system of universal early education and care for preschool children through the age of five...' This coupled with the unionization of childcare providers; in that bill states that we would be a collective bargaining unit of the state i.e. employees. I think you can figure out where this is going. |
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If you don't agree with that, ask. Ask anyone to tell you their personal stories/experiences with dealing with families using government assistance. For every 1 good and productive story of a family using the program as a HAND UP and not a HAND OUT, there are 100 stories on the opposite side. I've been in this field now for almost 25 years. I have had on average 3-5 families EACH year on assistance. In all my years of providing care for families using assistance, only one...yes ONE family has managed to do the right thing and bring themselves up and out of poverty and dependence on assistance. I am not saying the intentions of government assistance is wrong just that the program itself is so out of whack and so far off the original intent that something really super drastic NEEDS to happen in order for any changes to happen. We cannot just continue along the same path we are on and just keep wishing, hoping and praying things will change. The system needs a complete overhaul. |
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More links to contact your representatives: http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ Don't be put off by the form responses. I get them all the time, and normally get a follow up later that's more specific. And don't forget to contact your state government as well. It can't hurt, right? |
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I also think it is VERY important to have these kinds of dicussions. Thank you for posting the original post. |
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I will come back later to specifically answer some of the posts here. I do think we can all agree that there is definitely an overhaul needed in regards to welfare, education and how government spends money overall though |
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The PARENTS need educating far more than the children do. Money would be better spent investing in helping families become self-sufficient NOT educating their children. That is a parental repsonsibility IMHO. |
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As a tax payer I don't want to see my taxes go up anymore. I don't want more programs added. I would like to see programs decreased and more job creation for the average Joe. Jobs that high school students that graduate can go into and make an ok wage. I would like to see true welfare reform before I see Pre-k. |
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I wasn't saying people aren't smart just because they didn't go to college. I was stating that most jobs/businesses now REQUIRE a degree and even if they don't in most cases it doesn't hurt to have one. My mom worked in resturants for over 30 years as a waitress and manager; she got laid off about 2 years ago and still hasn't been able to find a stable job (a few part time temp jobs through friends). She has a bunch of experience and a current food handlers permit, but most of these jobs want people who have taken culenary or business classes. And there are also many jobs now that are being out sourced to other countries or computers.
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Just because one chooses to have a conversation on a forum like this doesn't mean they aren't incredibly active in networking with those in positions of political power too Will I contact those who don't care to listen to what I have to say though? Nah. Anyone that has ever tried to contact their legislators when you disagree with them on a certain issue knows full well they rarely if ever respond. If they do it's a generated message that doesn't address the heart of your concerns. I find it's far more effective to contact the legislators who *are* on your side to let them know you are supporting their efforts, as well as networking with others in your life who may not know as much about a particular issue to get the accurate information out there. Supporting and spreading the word is far more effective than trying to talk to people who don't want to listen imho. |
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It's been done though. It's called Head Start. It was given a fair chance. It been available for decades, given $150 billion dollars of funding, and it's been proven there is no positive effect other than the jobs it provides to keep it running. It's been declared a employment program instead of an education program at this point because it's well known it doesn't make kids smarter. It doesn't give them a better head start in school. It doesn't help kids grow to be more responsible or more employable in adulthood. Obama is well aware of the findings and pushes on despite them. This is not my opinion. It is all proven fact. |
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Most of "These Parents" would be about the age of our own kids (Between the 20-30 age group). Did we seriously raise a generation that can't parent, doesn't know how to raise a family, how to be involved in a childs life? Then I look and think if thats the case, gosh were did I GO wrong as a parent. I guess I have to think you can only blame the previous generation for what happened to the current generation. You can only blame the previous generation for the mess the current generation is in if they are unable to do the things needed to sustain a family/job/marriage/etc. |
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My son and I butt heads constantly. He's 6 and started kindergarten this year. We never sent him to preschool because I thought that he would be better off with me. I've wanted to homeschool for as long as I could remember, but we decided to send him to kindergarten and then decide from there if we will be homeschooling. At this point, he is flourishing in public school. I realize I'm maybe starting to get off point, but what I'm trying to say is that I wish I would have sent him to even half day preschool when he was younger. I feel that he would have gained better social skills had he gone. Now, I am a little torn in the fact that I don't want to compete with Universal Preschools business-wise. I don't want to have to worry about needing to provide transportation to and from preschool just so I can get some clients. Edited to add: I am way more conflicted about this than I originally thought. I finished reading the replies to this thread and I agree with a LOT of what both sides have to say. My son was totally ready for kindergarten even though he was home with me... so, yeah, conflicted here. Sorry! |
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I KNOW I didnt raise my children to take anything for free. BOTH my children are contributing responsible members of society. They BOTH work two jobs while they are 3/4 to full time college students. Neither of them get financial aide other than the scholarships they received. (My son earned a science scholarship for his work in a robotics club and my daughter earned a scholarship through her employer for going above and beyond in donating her time to the elderly people she works with) Neither of my children rely on me or any other type of financial help other than their own job earnings. They are not single parents and are law abiding citizens who have never been in trouble with the law. Both volunteer on a regular basis for different charities. I am proud of my children but I don't take the credit (or the blame). I gave them tools and they chose to use those tools to forge their own way in life. THEY deserve the credit. That was MY job and I did it. I taught my children to be responsible for their own actions and choices. If the government wants to "help" people, they should start by giving them the tools and then stepping back and allowing them to use those tools. If someone chooses to use them...they will succeed in life. If they chose not to use them, they will fail and they should have no one to blame but themselves. Even Jesus taught that concept when it was said that if you give a man a fish he will not be hungry today but if you teach a man to fish he will never go hungry again. Seems a simple enough concept to me. Society needs to STOP lowing the bar, stop lowering the expectations and have some consequences that have some follow through. |
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On a lighter note, check out Jon Stewart's take on the subject (the preschool bit starts at about the 3 minute mark). It's funny, no matter what side you are on :
http://earlyed.newamerica.net/blogpo..._critics-80431 |
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I remember a time when you could work a summer job and pay for a full year of college at a University and have money left over. When of our good friends talks about making more working in mills then he did teaching a full year of school. He worked in mills during the summer to pay for his schooling at the university. Now your lucky if you can find a full-time job and still be able to pay your bills. The government is now making it so full-time jobs will eventually be a thing of the past. I guess they can give our children the tools they need to succeed because I have a feeling they will receive the tools that the "government" feels they need, not what we would feel they needed. They have encrouched on pretty much every aspect of our lives already-our schools, our work, our homes, our healthcare, our parenting styles, why not let them raise our children. Thats what I feel is scary! |
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I was just thinking about when I split up with my DD's father and how embarrassed I was to go ask for financial aid from the gov't. But I needed it because I wasn't working at the time (I was let go from a job because I refused to lie to government officials about illegal things he was doing as a landlord) so I applied. While I waited to find out if I would be approved my job was to find a job. Because I was approved for financial assistance I needed to participate in Cal-works (welfare to work which required one weekly meeting) and I had an interview scheduled before I even went to my first meeting to that program. During my first meeting at the Cal-works program there were other welfare participants there and I was amazed at how just blatantly lazy some of these people were.
There was a young lady there in partivular about my same age that I had worked with a few years previously at a retail store and she had been on the program for a full year. She slouched in her seat, didn't make eye contact with the program specialist when she was being spoken to, filed her nails during the meeting and said that the meeting was a waste of her time. When the specialist asked her if she had scheduled any interviews for that week the answer was no, when she was asked if she had applied to any jobs that previous week her answer was no. The specialist commented that she hadn't applied to any jobs in three weeks and hadn't had any scheduled interviews in over 3 months, her response was an annoyed "I know, and?". The specialist asked her why she wasn't out looking for a job (which is a requirement of welfare here in CA if you don't have a job) and the girl's answer was "I don't know. I just didn't feel like it". THESE are the people that should not be on the program. If you are not willing to help yourself then why should the gov't help you? Why should I and the rest of the US working class help you if you aren't even willing to help yourself? I was shocked. And I think I was disturbed at the idea that the specialist wouldn't just say this person shouldn't be on the program. Cut her off. The welfare system is broken. I for one am glad that some states are requiring drug tests. It's about time that someone did something about the people taking advantage of the program. BTW I had my interview later that week and started working that following week. It took me 2 weeks to apply at jobs, interview at a few places and get hired. I know things are different now but back then there was work available and people just being lazy and not wanting to work. And why should they when they can get money for doing nothing? This problem needs to be fixed. Let's fix what is broken first before we start another project. |
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I have to say, this thread is becoming intolerable for me. I know I don't have to view it, but the some of the responses are on the verge of ridiculous. It's unlikely that anyone in this thread is going to change anyone elses opinion to match their own, yet many on here are debating it like they that's their goal. |
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That's a whole lotta *rolleyes" lol! If it's intolerable, simply stop clicking on the link to the thread and move on to other topics? I think it's been a great conversation, lots of respectful back and forth. There is nothing wrong with hashing out the information that people have that's brought them to the beliefs they currently hold. |
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Ok, ok, ok... maybe I'm just having an off day. Political discussion is a hot button for me, apparently lol
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I do believe this is an important topic to discuss, debate, argue about, whatever because if and when this gets passed it has the potential to change a lot of what most of us do. I don't know how much it will change my business since I serve mostly middle into upper class families. I've always encouraged my families to send their 4 year olds to some type of preschool because I do not offer a "structured" type of program. All but 2 families over the years have chosen the half day, two or three times a week program and opted for their children to remain with me until they age out to kindy. If this proposal turns into "Preschool for All" then I will simply lose kids a year earlier. I don't think it will hurt me and I'm not worried about it. I can see how it could really affect providers in other areas, though, and that's why I think it deserves not only a good discussion amongst ourselves, but with others who have the ability to affect the outcome. Who better to start that discussion than those it affects the most. This is a little redundant from my original post, but here is the fact sheet released by the White House: http://seiu99.org/files/2013/02/Earl...hite-House.pdf |
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I know this post is old, but I found it to be an excellent read! Especially considering our current political climate. It is amazing how much can change in 4 years, yet the conversation seems to remain the same.
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I planned lessons, planned centers (after kids were gone), interacted with the children during free choice, conducted circle time, sat with them at lunch, helped get out mats, sat with them during nap, engaged in behavior management, cleaned room, etc. there wasn't anything my assistant was doing that I wasn't. I was with the children 100% of the day! No different than when I taught kindergarten. |
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The teacher in my room didn't do much. I had no degree, no prior experience. I had nothing other than willingness to work. That's the way it was in most the centers our agency was in charge of (approx 2 dozen) so your experience IMHO wasn't the norm in all Head Start classrooms. |
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board of education, devos, entitlement, government subsidies, head start, obama, obama care, preschool debate, universal childcare, universal preschool |
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