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TaylorTots 08:11 AM 03-11-2014
Have you ever termed a family/dck so that you could enroll a different one?

If so, can you give a few details about WHY you made the choice?


I have a family with twins interested in care and they would be a good addition money to effort wise and would fit in great with the kiddos I have. However, it means terming a family I have (and there are two families who are close right now - a 4 year old who REFUSES to listen most days and an 11m old who is higher needs).\

My contract says nothing regarding preference of care for FT vs. PT, etc. Just 2 week term period.
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Play Care 08:14 AM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:
Have you ever termed a family/dck so that you could enroll a different one?

If so, can you give a few details about WHY you made the choice?


I have a family with twins interested in care and they would be a good addition money to effort wise and would fit in great with the kiddos I have. However, it means terming a family I have (and there are two families who are close right now - a 4 year old who REFUSES to listen most days and an 11m old who is higher needs).\

My contract says nothing regarding preference of care for FT vs. PT, etc. Just 2 week term period.
I haven't done that per say, but I have termed a family who wasn't a good fit and had their spots filled immediately by kids who were a MUCH better fit. I see nothing wrong with terming any family whose kids are not working out in your program.
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cheerfuldom 08:24 AM 03-11-2014
I see nothing wrong with it either. It's your business and you don't have to outline every practice in your contract. I would NOT tell the other parent that you are terming to take the twins. I think I would term the 4 year old and suggest that they put him in preschool and that your daycare is no longer a good fit for him. You still have a chance to transition this 11 month old into a reasonable toddler and have years with them but the 4 year old, there is only so much you can do. If he is going to be 5 soon, he is probably ready for a structured preK.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 08:26 AM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by cheerfuldom:
I see nothing wrong with it either. It's your business and you don't have to outline every practice in your contract. I would NOT tell the other parent that you are terming to take the twins. I think I would term the 4 year old and suggest that they put him in preschool and that your daycare is no longer a good fit for him. You still have a chance to transition this 11 month old into a reasonable toddler and have years with them but the 4 year old, there is only so much you can do. If he is going to be 5 soon, he is probably ready for a structured preK.
I agree!
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Blackcat31 08:33 AM 03-11-2014
I have. I continually interview even if I am full because you never know.

Sometimes a family comes a long that DOES better fit the group. I see nothing wrong with making changes accordingly.

I do let my parents know that full time care will always get a higher priority over part time care but I will usually offer the part time family the full time space first UNLESS I think the new family is a better fit.

I have also termed full timers to take a better-fitting full timer before.

It's just business as far as I am concerned.
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TaylorTots 08:43 AM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by cheerfuldom:
I see nothing wrong with it either. It's your business and you don't have to outline every practice in your contract. I would NOT tell the other parent that you are terming to take the twins. I think I would term the 4 year old and suggest that they put him in preschool and that your daycare is no longer a good fit for him. You still have a chance to transition this 11 month old into a reasonable toddler and have years with them but the 4 year old, there is only so much you can do. If he is going to be 5 soon, he is probably ready for a structured preK.
The 4y dck is enrolled in a structured prek program and will be this coming year as well. Which makes it harder to make progress on the listening issue as the days she comes back from prek she is off the wall. I run a preschool program in house (an awesome one to boot!) and the twins are 2.5y so would fit into the program. It's really difficult on the 2 days the 4y dck is here for preschool because she refuses to participate most days and is quite a distraction.

The 11m old is slowly molding - it's been a process but is coming along. We are finally on a good nap schedule, eating solids and drinking from sippys The downside to this dck is it is a teacher family so I have to fill that spot in the summer. However, this family will likely be around long term and supply at least one infant in the next 1.5-2.5 years.

Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I have. I continually interview even if I am full because you never know.

Sometimes a family comes a long that DOES better fit the group. I see nothing wrong with making changes accordingly.

I do let my parents know that full time care will always get a higher priority over part time care but I will usually offer the part time family the full time space first UNLESS I think the new family is a better fit.

I have also termed full timers to take a better-fitting full timer before.

It's just business as far as I am concerned.
I don't have a full time vs. part time clause mostly because I charge a much higher rate for PT so my 3day/week families pay close to what my full time families do...I can rarely fill the openings PT spots leave so I treat them as taking a FT spot - if that makes any sense.




It's be the first time I termed without a BIG reason (e.g. aggression), but I suppose the 4y olds inability to adjust and distract the other children from staying on task is a BIG reason...
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Blackcat31 08:47 AM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:

It's be the first time I termed without a BIG reason (e.g. aggression), but I suppose the 4y olds inability to adjust and distract the other children from staying on task is a BIG reason...
The behavior of the 4 yr old, coupled with the fact that she also attends preschool would be reason enough for me to term and replace with a regularly attending child.

If the parents can remove the child from your day on a partial basis to do what's best for them (sending her to preschool), then you can do the same..and term her for a better fit.

That family did what was best for them.

You can do what's best for you (your business)

It goes BOTH ways.
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TaylorTots 09:14 AM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
The behavior of the 4 yr old, coupled with the fact that she also attends preschool would be reason enough for me to term and replace with a regularly attending child.

If the parents can remove the child from your day on a partial basis to do what's best for them (sending her to preschool), then you can do the same..and term her for a better fit.

That family did what was best for them.

You can do what's best for you (your business)

It goes BOTH ways.
BC I you That made such logical sense, how can I argue with that?
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TwinKristi 09:17 AM 03-11-2014
I agree- the 4yr old is going to age out of your program soon anyway to go on to school. Combined with needing the space for another family, behavior, PT attendance... It just makes sense.
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mountainside13 09:51 AM 03-11-2014
I did recently! I don't see a problem with it.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:10 AM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
I agree- the 4yr old is going to age out of your program soon anyway to go on to school. Combined with needing the space for another family, behavior, PT attendance... It just makes sense.
Absolutely.
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TaylorTots 12:22 PM 03-11-2014
Do you have your parents sign termination letters?
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Blackcat31 12:24 PM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:
Do you have your parents sign termination letters?
I have a withdrawal form I have parents sign/date.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 12:24 PM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:
Do you have your parents sign termination letters?
I do. But, I have had to mail one in the past so obviously that one was not signed.
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TaylorTots 01:56 PM 03-11-2014
Wrote up term letter, dated today. Last day of March 26th to give two full weeks. Included an invoice statement of fees due, listed due date March 21st (they are paid till then). Added a signature spot.

Practicing my statements as always. "No longer able to provide childcare for DCK. Here is a termination letter in accordance with our policies."

dcp: "But...why?"

"No longer able to meet her childcare needs."

"But...why?"

"She is not adjusting to our program here and it is causing numerous distractions with the other children in care. I wish you the best of luck in finding a provider who can better meet her needs."
needs."


It's sad I practice my lines but otherwise I jumble them all up and look like an idiot when terming.
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Atroya 02:54 PM 03-11-2014
I have done this recently also. I practice what I am going to say too!

You have every right to do it. I termed a 4yr old preschooler also. He was not fitting in with the other kids, was unnaturally nervous about everything, one of my dogs HATED him for some reason, preschool had a policy about the kids having to be walked all the way to the classroom(ridiculous to do with 2 other toddlers in the winter) AND my husband's cousin had a baby who needed part time care. So I got the same pay, but much better situation for me. Hard to do, but one of the best decisions I have made.
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TaylorTots 05:01 PM 03-11-2014
Thank you guys - the term went fine. DCD picked up and he didn't say too much. I simply said she wasn't adjusting and her preschool schedule was causing distractions when she joined care mid-day. He nodded in agreement, signed the term letter and took his copy. Couldn't have went smoother, honestly.

Signing on the twins tonight to start care in 2 weeks and my school age interview tonight went well, though DCM was super nervous the entire time
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EntropyControlSpecialist 05:05 PM 03-11-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:
Thank you guys - the term went fine. DCD picked up and he didn't say too much. I simply said she wasn't adjusting and her preschool schedule was causing distractions when she joined care mid-day. He nodded in agreement, signed the term letter and took his copy. Couldn't have went smoother, honestly.

Signing on the twins tonight to start care in 2 weeks and my school age interview tonight went well, though DCM was super nervous the entire time
Glad to read it!
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TaylorTots 06:10 PM 03-11-2014
Nevermind on that. DCM just called, ended up in tears, etc. Ugh - it might be Tuesday but my goodness what a day!
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taylorw1210 06:06 AM 03-12-2014
Oh no. What did DCM say?
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Play Care 07:29 AM 03-12-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:
Nevermind on that. DCM just called, ended up in tears, etc. Ugh - it might be Tuesday but my goodness what a day!
Oh no! Sorry about that!
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TaylorTots 08:43 AM 03-12-2014
Originally Posted by taylorw1210:
Oh no. What did DCM say?
She texted me, asked me if we could discuss the notice. I had the twins coming over to sign so told her I would call her in a bit. When I did, she asked me why the notice was given. When I simply said I was unable to meet DCK's needs, she pushed - saying if there was a problem with DCK's behavior then she wanted to address it with DCK. I said there was behavior issues, she asked what kind. I simply said "Lots of listening issues and arguing. I told DCK, for example, 19 times today to lay down on her mat during rest time. I sat with her the entire nap period to prevent her from getting up and running around during rest time. Her actions were a big distraction for the other children and I feel she has outgrown my childcare program." DCM started crying on the phone saying She had such a horrible day at work and now this... I said I was confident this was the right decision for all the children in my care and her DCK. I said to let me know if I can help you in terms of referrals, I know some private preschool programs that may better meet her needs."

I don't normally give that much but I stink at the phone. I do in person or texting, but didn't want to have a big confrontation in the morning with her, know what I mean?

She then said DCD was staying home the first two days of Spring Break with DCK and her older sister (who comes on spring break). I am hoping they don't try to get out of fees for those days for the sister - I set aside her spot and they made it clear she would be here up until now.

Oh well, I will have a super light enrollment for the beginning of Spring Break - it'll be a nice break for me.

Originally Posted by Play Care:
Oh no! Sorry about that!
Thanks I am ready for Friday now! LOL
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Blackcat31 08:57 AM 03-12-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:
She texted me, asked me if we could discuss the notice. I had the twins coming over to sign so told her I would call her in a bit. When I did, she asked me why the notice was given. When I simply said I was unable to meet DCK's needs, she pushed - saying if there was a problem with DCK's behavior then she wanted to address it with DCK. I said there was behavior issues, she asked what kind. I simply said "Lots of listening issues and arguing. I told DCK, for example, 19 times today to lay down on her mat during rest time. I sat with her the entire nap period to prevent her from getting up and running around during rest time. Her actions were a big distraction for the other children and I feel she has outgrown my childcare program." DCM started crying on the phone saying She had such a horrible day at work and now this... I said I was confident this was the right decision for all the children in my care and her DCK. I said to let me know if I can help you in terms of referrals, I know some private preschool programs that may better meet her needs."

I don't normally give that much but I stink at the phone. I do in person or texting, but didn't want to have a big confrontation in the morning with her, know what I mean?

She then said DCD was staying home the first two days of Spring Break with DCK and her older sister (who comes on spring break). I am hoping they don't try to get out of fees for those days for the sister - I set aside her spot and they made it clear she would be here up until now.

Oh well, I will have a super light enrollment for the beginning of Spring Break - it'll be a nice break for me.



Thanks I am ready for Friday now! LOL
I think you handled it great!

If a parent calls and wants to discuss it, I will usually do what you did and just give examples but not too much...

I know it sucks for her (DCM) because she had a bad day at work and all but honestly, you still have to do what's best for your group and having to give DCG that much attention and redirection throughout the day just proves that she needs a different environment. As a preschooler, she should be getting easier NOT harder.

I think that you did great simply by agreeing to talk about it with DCM but not taking back your notice or termination.

Well done!
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TaylorTots 10:58 AM 03-12-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I think you handled it great!

If a parent calls and wants to discuss it, I will usually do what you did and just give examples but not too much...

I know it sucks for her (DCM) because she had a bad day at work and all but honestly, you still have to do what's best for your group and having to give DCG that much attention and redirection throughout the day just proves that she needs a different environment. As a preschooler, she should be getting easier NOT harder.

I think that you did great simply by agreeing to talk about it with DCM but not taking back your notice or termination.

Well done!
Thanks It felt good to stick to my guns.
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tntsmom 02:15 PM 03-12-2014
I do not see anything wrong with it. I have termed parents or turned kiddos down because I like harmonious days and for everyone to enjoy their time away from their parents the kiddos need to mesh well.
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Play Care 04:17 AM 03-13-2014
Originally Posted by TaylorTots:
She texted me, asked me if we could discuss the notice. I had the twins coming over to sign so told her I would call her in a bit. When I did, she asked me why the notice was given. When I simply said I was unable to meet DCK's needs, she pushed - saying if there was a problem with DCK's behavior then she wanted to address it with DCK. I said there was behavior issues, she asked what kind. I simply said "Lots of listening issues and arguing. I told DCK, for example, 19 times today to lay down on her mat during rest time. I sat with her the entire nap period to prevent her from getting up and running around during rest time. Her actions were a big distraction for the other children and I feel she has outgrown my childcare program." DCM started crying on the phone saying She had such a horrible day at work and now this... I said I was confident this was the right decision for all the children in my care and her DCK. I said to let me know if I can help you in terms of referrals, I know some private preschool programs that may better meet her needs."

I don't normally give that much but I stink at the phone. I do in person or texting, but didn't want to have a big confrontation in the morning with her, know what I mean?

She then said DCD was staying home the first two days of Spring Break with DCK and her older sister (who comes on spring break). I am hoping they don't try to get out of fees for those days for the sister - I set aside her spot and they made it clear she would be here up until now.

Oh well, I will have a super light enrollment for the beginning of Spring Break - it'll be a nice break for me.



Thanks I am ready for Friday now! LOL
I think you did an awesome job!
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EntropyControlSpecialist 05:23 AM 03-13-2014
Great job! It must be hard for a parent to hear that their child is just not the best fit somewhere but ultimately we do have to do what is in the BEST interest of the group.
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Cat Herder 08:41 AM 03-13-2014
I think you handled it very well.
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renodeb 06:26 PM 03-22-2014
The only time I have done that is replacing a pt with a ft family after offering the current family the spot. I agree with the others, the 4 year old is the most logical choice, I usually just take up to 3 years old because they do tend to outgrow my dc. Don't tell them your terming to take twins.
Deb
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