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Old 07-14-2016, 09:09 AM
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Why are childcare providers so reluctant to be transparent? Most tell parents that they are doing everything they should, but when parents request cameras in their facility the answer is no. Some use the excuse that it's too expensive, but here in Texas there is a company that provides the cameras, installation and maintenance at no cost to the centers. Parents pay (and most are willing) to pay a low monthly fee. But providers still say no. How can parents fully trust what they don't see? Why wouldn't a daycare center provide the ultimate open door policy and allow parents to view what goes on if there is nothing to hide? Wouldn't any provider what to provide a safer place for their children and staff alike?
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Old 07-14-2016, 09:57 AM
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Why are childcare providers so reluctant to be transparent? Most tell parents that they are doing everything they should, but when parents request cameras in their facility the answer is no. Some use the excuse that it's too expensive, but here in Texas there is a company that provides the cameras, installation and maintenance at no cost to the centers. Parents pay (and most are willing) to pay a low monthly fee. But providers still say no. How can parents fully trust what they don't see? Why wouldn't a daycare center provide the ultimate open door policy and allow parents to view what goes on if there is nothing to hide? Wouldn't any provider what to provide a safer place for their children and staff alike?
It has NOTHING to do with being reluctant to being transparent and everything to do with privacy.

There is NO way a parent can view the activities of THEIR child during the day without being privy to other children.

Also seeing a snippet of ANY activity hardly gives you the big picture and imagine the impact this would have on the parent-provider relationship.

NOT happening here. If a parent is seriously that paranoid or is unable to make it through the day without seeing what Jr is doing then perhaps placing your child in daycare (home or center) is the wrong parenting choice for them.

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Old 07-14-2016, 09:59 AM
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Wouldn't any provider what to provide a safer place for their children and staff alike?
Can you explain this line of thought?

How is having parent accessible camera's something that creates a SAFER place for children or staff??
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:05 AM
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Parent accessible cameras are safer for children because the staff is more likely to be more careful and mindful in caring for children because they know their actions are visible. Along the same line of thought, businesses in general that have cameras installed face less incidents of theft and dangerous situations because criminals don't want to be seen. Thus, increased employee/staff safety.
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Privacy is not violated if parents are informed, upon enrollment, that the daycare center has cameras installed.
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Parent accessible cameras are safer for children because the staff is more likely to be more careful and mindful in caring for children because they know their actions are visible. Along the same line of thought, businesses in general that have cameras installed face less incidents of theft and dangerous situations because criminals don't want to be seen. Thus, increased employee/staff safety.
That is untrue. I can link you to 1000's of centers where staff are caught on cameras they KNOW were recording.

Sorry but I am not buying that. Cameras do NOT equate to safety.

BTW, I have cameras. They cover every square inch of space I have but they are for ME and my liability. Licensing and law enforcement are welcome to view them at ANY time but not parents. Ever.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:13 AM
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Privacy is not violated if parents are informed, upon enrollment, that the daycare center has cameras installed.
Some of what is discussed, mentioned or talked about among the children themselves and among the children and myself is really no one else's business.

As a parent if I had a private matter my provider was aware of (as well as my child) I would not be comfortable if my child happened to bring it up and the camera allowed other parents to hear.

There are many PRIVATE family issues that clients share privately with me. I am the SAFE place for the child. I am the place where the child can comfortably talk about personal and private things.

Knowing Sally's parent can hear Billy share with me his feelings about how sad he is that his daddy doesn't live with him anymore is not okay. Ever.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:16 AM
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Parent accessible cameras are safer for children because the staff is more likely to be more careful and mindful in caring for children because they know their actions are visible. Along the same line of thought, businesses in general that have cameras installed face less incidents of theft and dangerous situations because criminals don't want to be seen. Thus, increased employee/staff safety.
I don't agree with this.
If anything, the media shows us the idiots every day who do things on camera.

Also, for selfish reasons, I wouldn't want to work in a place where I knew the camera was constantly on ME, scrutinizing every move I made by the families who were SUPPOSE to trust me. Instead of being free to have fun with the kids, belting out my out of tune rendition of Old McDonald, I'd be quiet and reserved. Instead of feeling free to roll around on the floor or pick the wedgie out (sorry-had to be said), or shovel food in my mouth in the 30 second break I have, I'd be reserved and quiet.

And honestly, let's delve into the parents... how do you know that all the people that have access to view those cameras (and I'm assuming it's an online access) aren't doing inappropriate things with those images? In a center, that's dozens of families whom you don't know. Who don't have background checks or have personal or criminal history on.

And if we really want to get into security... most big businesses (including centers) DO have security cameras. They're just not going to give YOU access to them.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:26 AM
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And honestly, let's delve into the parents... how do you know that all the people that have access to view those cameras (and I'm assuming it's an online access) aren't doing inappropriate things with those images? In a center, that's dozens of families whom you don't know. Who don't have background checks or have personal or criminal history on.
That is the most concerning thing to read. When my daughter was in a daycare facility I always assumed that background checks were done on staff and parents alike...at least they were done at the center she attended. So I can only assume that most day care centers allow anyone to enroll and then we trust that everything happens as it should between the staff and parents? I'm sorry. We don't live in such a world.

I understand that the lack of cameras is more about not wanting to be seen and monitored than safety. I don't agree with it, but it is the reality of what childcare providers want in this day and age.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:27 AM
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Like BC, I have cameras - for me, law enforcement, and licensing, if ever needed. I have heard too many horror stories about home daycares getting shut down for a year or more while an investigation is done, only to find out the daycare was completely in the clear.

Hopefully I never run into that. But if I do, I will gladly hand over a copy of my tapes.

As another poster mentioned, I don't need parents accessing me and the kids all the time. Yikes. There is no way I would dance and be all silly and goofy, if I knew I was being stared at.

I worked at a business where the owner installed a camera so he could watch us from home to make sure we were doing our jobs. He had remote control of our computers, so he could see our screens, too. I quit. You don't trust me? That's not my problem.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:28 AM
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Some of what is discussed, mentioned or talked about among the children themselves and among the children and myself is really no one else's business.
This is possibly why most of the daycare providers that offer cameras don't offer audio...only visual.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:41 AM
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That is the most concerning thing to read. When my daughter was in a daycare facility I always assumed that background checks were done on staff and parents alike...at least they were done at the center she attended. So I can only assume that most day care centers allow anyone to enroll and then we trust that everything happens as it should between the staff and parents? I'm sorry. We don't live in such a world.

I understand that the lack of cameras is more about not wanting to be seen and monitored than safety. I don't agree with it, but it is the reality of what childcare providers want in this day and age.
What I think the OP meant is, that we wouldn't know who was watching the footage. For all we know a parent (or someone they allowed to view the footage) could be a child molester getting their enjoyment from watching YOUR child!

I have thought of getting cameras, and if I do it will be for myself and law enforcement only to view just like the others. I will not allow strangers to watch the children in my care. And honestly you can't be sure who is watching that footage.
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:10 AM
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Why do you assume that having camera makes a place safer?

When getting my teaching degree I worked in two expensive daycare centers. Both had camera systems. Both had staff abusing children in corners of the room where the camera couldn't reach. I reported incidents often, documenting what I saw and heard, stating that other people did as well (I had asked if they would also say something if called in), etc. Those people remained on staff BECAUSE it was too difficult for them to find enough people to employ. With low pay, demanding work, and rude attitudes...you just aren't going to get wonderful long term employees.

Don't assume a camera = safe.

I feel that it is less likely to occur in an in home. It may not be, but I feel it is. Only because the OWNER of the daycare is an actual WORKER in the daycare. They're invested in their business. They want to see it do well. They want their reputation to be good. They go above and beyond. This has been my experience for my own place as well as all of the other ladies I network with.
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:10 AM
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Another problem I see, is a parent watching a very small part of an interaction between child and provider and completely misinterpreting what they are seeing. No context, no dialogue makes it is sometimes very easy to misinterpret what you are seeing.

Example, when I care for a young infant, when infant and I are interacting and baby is making noises. I will gently tap my fingers on there mouth to make new sounds with baby. I am being gentle, baby is having fun but a parent may just see me hitting their baby in the face. No context.

Also what if a parent sees another child bump, hit or trip their child and then tries to reprimand that child or the parents? It does happen.
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:11 AM
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That is the most concerning thing to read. When my daughter was in a daycare facility I always assumed that background checks were done on staff and parents alike...at least they were done at the center she attended. So I can only assume that most day care centers allow anyone to enroll and then we trust that everything happens as it should between the staff and parents? I'm sorry. We don't live in such a world.
Again, I disagree. We DO live in such a world. Thousands of parents place their blind trust in family child care providers. A majority of which do not have cameras.

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I understand that the lack of cameras is more about not wanting to be seen and monitored than safety. I don't agree with it, but it is the reality of what childcare providers want in this day and age.
Asking again, how does having cameras guarantee higher safety. Can you give me some examples of how a parent being able to view (without sound) a snippet of their child's day would ensure a higher level of safety?

Even if a parent watched the camera ALL day long...I am not understanding HOW that guarantees them that added safety.

I have an open door policy. Meaning parents can (and are encouraged) to pop in ANY time they want. If I am doing ANYTHING unsafe, they can "catch" me then.

Also for me personally, the safety of the children is MORE important to me than it is to most parents. After all, I AM the one that makes sure I sleep infants according to safe sleep recommendations, I have a valid CPR/First Aid certificate, take a variety of trainings and classes that help educate me on healthy eating, developmental growth and many other things that ensure that child in my care are safe.

Most parents I know can't even say no to their child...even in UNSAFE situations so again, cameras are in NO WAY a guarantee of safety for anyone.

I understand that you believe in what you sell and that you trust that your customers, consumers and clients believe you when you educate them about your services.

It's the same way for child care.
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:16 AM
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This is possibly why most of the daycare providers that offer cameras don't offer audio...only visual.
When I worked in one center there was a Dad that was beyond creepy. He would say things that indicated he watched me all day long and he would seek me out when he came into the building to touch me. I would purposely back myself up against a wall so he couldn't rub my back/shoulders/etc. but he would still find a way to do so. The staff did nothing.
I quit 1 month later.

This, and so many other reasons, are why I would never allow parent access to a camera system in my HOME. It creeps me out just thinking of this.
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When I worked in one center there was a Dad that was beyond creepy. He would say things that indicated he watched me all day long and he would seek me out when he came into the building to touch me. I would purposely back myself up against a wall so he couldn't rub my back/shoulders/etc. but he would still find a way to do so. The staff did nothing.
I quit 1 month later.
Some people are so disgusting. I am so sorry that this happened to you.
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Old 07-14-2016, 02:17 PM
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Why are childcare providers so reluctant to be transparent? Most tell parents that they are doing everything they should, but when parents request cameras in their facility the answer is no. Some use the excuse that it's too expensive, but here in Texas there is a company that provides the cameras, installation and maintenance at no cost to the centers. Parents pay (and most are willing) to pay a low monthly fee. But providers still say no. How can parents fully trust what they don't see? Why wouldn't a daycare center provide the ultimate open door policy and allow parents to view what goes on if there is nothing to hide? Wouldn't any provider what to provide a safer place for their children and staff alike?
Nothing like a little fear mongering to sell some product!
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Old 07-14-2016, 03:59 PM
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Nope! Not happening in my home. Parents are free to walk into my home at any time. Now that I have a screen door, my front door isn't locked. Parents walk in unannounced.

If parents have concerns, they are free to address them with me or come in at any time.
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Why are childcare providers so reluctant to be transparent? Most tell parents that they are doing everything they should, but when parents request cameras in their facility the answer is no. Some use the excuse that it's too expensive, but here in Texas there is a company that provides the cameras, installation and maintenance at no cost to the centers. Parents pay (and most are willing) to pay a low monthly fee. But providers still say no. How can parents fully trust what they don't see? Why wouldn't a daycare center provide the ultimate open door policy and allow parents to view what goes on if there is nothing to hide? Wouldn't any provider what to provide a safer place for their children and staff alike?
Any chance you happen to work for/own said company in Texas that provides these cameras?? I've noticed you in several threads, some old threads that you posted in today, posting about cameras.
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Old 07-14-2016, 05:51 PM
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Any chance you happen to work for/own said company in Texas that provides these cameras?? I've noticed you in several threads, some old threads that you posted in today, posting about cameras.
I am sure of that, just by the username.
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Privacy is not violated if parents are informed, upon enrollment, that the daycare center has cameras installed.
Privacy is violated. They just sign to agree to such violation.
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Old 07-14-2016, 08:06 PM
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My feeling is that if you don't trust me enough to let me do my job without a camera you shouldn't let me care for my child. If I ever got a camera it would only be to protect myself from accusations. But I seriously would find another job before getting a camera.
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Any chance you happen to work for/own said company in Texas that provides these cameras?? I've noticed you in several threads, some old threads that you posted in today, posting about cameras.
Of course they do. That's why they are here/posting.
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Parent accessible cameras are safer for children because the staff is more likely to be more careful and mindful in caring for children because they know their actions are visible. Along the same line of thought, businesses in general that have cameras installed face less incidents of theft and dangerous situations because criminals don't want to be seen. Thus, increased employee/staff safety.
Personally, I have found live feed of the children to be very unsafe. It can be hacked, your login information could be stolen, feeds can be broken into, etc etc. Personally I just don't feel comfortable at the idea of random strangers watching both myself and YOUR children.

I can understand private cameras where we can show tapes if necessary, however that is up to the DCP.

If you don't trust your daycare or center... find a new one. That simple.
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Old 07-15-2016, 09:54 AM
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I have an nephew who is autistic and non-verbal. My family was thrilled to find a company that provided us peace of mind when he was out of our sight. So, I'm happy to share it with other providers. I'm also happy to invest my personal time in this endeavor. Is it my career? No. Is it my passion? Absolutely. For my family it provides us with security. Cameras in provider facilities had nothing to do with wanting to micro manage, but more to do with care and concern for our little one in our family. That is the sole basis and I'm happy to stand behind that. I understand each provider commenting has their own feelings one why they strongly reject the idea. However, I don't understand the lack of compromise. Most families aren't sitting at home watching video footage. We all have jobs and things that take us away from our families and require us to use childcare. Why is it wrong for use to worry and want to know what's going on with them? It's not our fault that we aren't able to be with them every step of the day...I would have preferred it. But it is what it is. So yes. I stand behind a company that I very much appreciate and value. And I'm passionate about what they provide for families like mine.
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I have an nephew who is autistic and non-verbal. My family was thrilled to find a company that provided us peace of mind when he was out of our sight. So, I'm happy to share it with other providers. I'm also happy to invest my personal time in this endeavor. Is it my career? No. Is it my passion? Absolutely. For my family it provides us with security. Cameras in provider facilities had nothing to do with wanting to micro manage, but more to do with care and concern for our little one in our family. That is the sole basis and I'm happy to stand behind that. I understand each provider commenting has their own feelings one why they strongly reject the idea. However, I don't understand the lack of compromise. Most families aren't sitting at home watching video footage. We all have jobs and things that take us away from our families and require us to use childcare. Why is it wrong for use to worry and want to know what's going on with them? It's not our fault that we aren't able to be with them every step of the day...I would have preferred it. But it is what it is. So yes. I stand behind a company that I very much appreciate and value. And I'm passionate about what they provide for families like mine.
Hmm, as an admin/moderator of this board I am going to venture to say that I do not buy that explanation.

I believe you either own or work for the company and I think you came here to to lure provider's into signing up.

Remember you did make other posts and you did have to register with the forum and provide contact info
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Hmm, as an admin/moderator of this board I am going to venture to say that I do not buy that explanation.

I believe you either own or work for the company and I think you came here to to lure provider's into signing up.

Remember you did make other posts and you did have to register with the forum and provide contact info


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You bumped three posts having to do with cameras that are two years older or more - yes we noticed. Btw, it's pretty rude to come to a forum with ten total posts about only one topic. We can tell you have an agenda. Maybe contact Michael about ad space rather than trying to trick people into considering your product?
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You bumped three posts having to do with cameras that are two years older or more - yes we noticed. Btw, it's pretty rude to come to a forum with ten total posts about only one topic. We can tell you have an agenda. Maybe contact Michael about ad space rather than trying to trick people into considering your product?
Just a thought.
It seriously backfired, anyway. There are so many better ways to try to get clients.
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My door is never locked. Parents are welcome at ANY time. I have 99% verbal children. Parents trust me. It's my business and I have been operating successfully for years-mostly by word of mouth.

Cameras in my HOME? oh heeeckkk no.
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My door is never locked. Parents are welcome at ANY time. I have 99% verbal children. Parents trust me. It's my business and I have been operating successfully for years-mostly by word of mouth.

Cameras in my HOME? oh heeeckkk no. :rolleyes:
Not unless I am making a ton more money off of them than I am daycare! Ok just kidding, the good folks at church would kick me out I am afraid lol.
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DaycareService is obviously here to sell, but like pretty much everyone here, I too will not allow public access to cameras. I'm not in the business yet, and probably will have video cameras monitoring all areas during daycare hours, but recordings will only be available to authorized personnel if needed.

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I actually say this at every interview!!!!
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I have an nephew who is autistic and non-verbal. My family was thrilled to find a company that provided us peace of mind when he was out of our sight. So, I'm happy to share it with other providers. I'm also happy to invest my personal time in this endeavor. Is it my career? No. Is it my passion? Absolutely. For my family it provides us with security. Cameras in provider facilities had nothing to do with wanting to micro manage, but more to do with care and concern for our little one in our family. That is the sole basis and I'm happy to stand behind that. I understand each provider commenting has their own feelings one why they strongly reject the idea. However, I don't understand the lack of compromise. Most families aren't sitting at home watching video footage. We all have jobs and things that take us away from our families and require us to use childcare. Why is it wrong for use to worry and want to know what's going on with them? It's not our fault that we aren't able to be with them every step of the day...I would have preferred it. But it is what it is. So yes. I stand behind a company that I very much appreciate and value. And I'm passionate about what they provide for families like mine.

This bothers me. Why do "YOU" have access to video footage of children that are not "YOURS"? Unless you have custody of this child you have no right to videos of other children.

My grandson is autistic. Everything between him and his school/therapists, etc is between them, him, and HIS parents. I know what my daughter chooses to share.
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Old 07-15-2016, 06:58 PM
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I've actually worked in a center where parents had access to the livestream from the cameras. For the most part, most parents never made any sort of comment that indicated to me that they even watched the cameras. On the other hand, there were a handful who would call the center about every little thing. Junior rolled over and kicked his blanket off during nap? Phone call. Junior tripped and fell down? Phone call. Random child wandering out of the bathroom without pulling up their pants? Phone call. Random child climbing up a shelf? Phone call. Mostly SAHMs who still were able to send their children for the preschool.

At the same center, the one time a staff member was found to be guilty of neglect, it wasn't a parent who noticed; it was another staff member who saw the incident and notified the director, who then fired the guilty employee and notified licensing.

I can tell you that if I had daycare in my home, I would absolutely not want to put in cameras that the parents could view. No way. Heck, I wouldn't even want to do it in a center I owned. No thank you.
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That is the most concerning thing to read. When my daughter was in a daycare facility I always assumed that background checks were done on staff and parents alike...at least they were done at the center she attended. [b]
I'm sorry, what? You expect daycares to do background checks on the parents? So if a parent has a criminal record, what, the child shouldn't have access to quality childcare programs?

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So I can only assume that most day care centers allow anyone to enroll and then we trust that everything happens as it should between the staff and parents? I'm sorry. We don't live in such a world.
I'm sorry, but yes, we do live in such a world. All over the world, parents (who may or may not possess criminal records) enroll their children at daycares, and then "trust that everything happens as it should between staff and parents". Do things go wrong? Of course. If we put cameras in every daycare (and turn away all children with criminal parents, so they can't do evil, disgusting things while watching children fingerpaint and build block towers) would things still go wrong? Yes. All that changes is the daycares have more parent phone calls to deal with, more stressed out staff because they're always under the micro-scrutiny of people like you, and they feel they can't manage behaviour as they should, because the child's parents will question and protest it. This leads to higher staff turnover, less consistency and more disruption for the children. That makes the children act out, and the new stressed out staff get even more stressed, leading to more staff turnover.....

This is the problem with one-size-fits-all solutions to perceived "problems"-they just lead to more problems, or create problems where they didn't even exist in the first place!!
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Why are childcare providers so reluctant to be transparent? Most tell parents that they are doing everything they should, but when parents request cameras in their facility the answer is no. Some use the excuse that it's too expensive, but here in Texas there is a company that provides the cameras, installation and maintenance at no cost to the centers. Parents pay (and most are willing) to pay a low monthly fee. But providers still say no. How can parents fully trust what they don't see? Why wouldn't a daycare center provide the ultimate open door policy and allow parents to view what goes on if there is nothing to hide? Wouldn't any provider what to provide a safer place for their children and staff alike?
Why would you advocate for cameras in child care instead of cameras for family homes?

Do you know the statistics regarding death and life altering injuries to children? Do you know the breakdown of who intentionally kills and injures children?

Might want to do some research before you assume child care providers are risky enough to need video surveillance. Child care providers aren't even CLOSE to the top of the list.

Your nephews mother is the one who needs to be watched at all times. She is the most likely of anyone on the planet to harm him. His being special needs even escalates his risk of being injured by her.

His mama have a boyfriend? If so... he needs to have cameras covering every inch of any space he and the child are in at the same time.

Where society got the idea that child care providers are risky enough to be on surveillance is beyond me. Your nephew is WAY WAY WAY safer in child care then he is at home... especially if the child care us a center.

I may be one of the few people in the US who was hired solely to watch video feed of two centers for a couple of years. I have 30 plus years of child care under my belt and it took me a long time to teach myself how to interpret singular fixed cameras in each room. Having just the video feed gives you about 15 percent of the information of what is going on. You have to figure out the rest.

Staff figure out the camera in about two weeks after hire. They figure out how to beat the system very quickly. They know the blind spots and they know how to position themselves, the kids, and the furniture to decrease that precious 15 percent you get.

When the centers tell you it's too expensive it aint because of the cost of the camera system. It's because the cost of dealing with parents who are watching the cameras and only getting fifteen percent of the information.

It's the cost of going thru ten hours of footage to find out why their snowflake has a dime sized bruise on his knee. It's going thru days of footage to prove a staff member did or didn't do something a patent who skipped out on their bill accused them of doing once dhs comes calling after the parent turns them in. See parents want an excuse not to pay their bills and give their contracted notice. When they are told they must pay the State is called and the footage is all they got when it comes to exonerating their employees.

That's where the money is.... not the cameras.

Here is one truth... if there isn't someone watching the cameras... not parents buy someone paid to watch cameras... they don't deter a thing. They are a good marketing tool but the cost of dealing with the parents who are watching them and the staff time to go through hours or days of footage isn't worth the marketing value.

If you want to protect kids let's start requiring parents have cameras in the home and their vehicles and pay government employees to monitor them. Parents are the most dangerous people, boyfriends next... so let's start with the ones who really are the known risk. Once we get that accomplished then we can work our way down the chain of abusers, neglectful, and dangerous belief systems caretakers....

Then start worrying about daycare providers...
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Very well written and thoroughly covered nannyde.

I did a lot of studying and research to put up a website about child abuse and it's a fact that most abuse, of any kind, is from family, relatives, or friends of family.

There are cases of abuse by professionals, like coaches, teachers, priests, and dare I say, even child care professionals, but they are a small percentage of the cases. They're more heard about because they get publicized a lot more.
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I have an nephew who is autistic and non-verbal. My family was thrilled to find a company that provided us peace of mind when he was out of our sight. So, I'm happy to share it with other providers. I'm also happy to invest my personal time in this endeavor. Is it my career? No. Is it my passion? Absolutely. For my family it provides us with security. Cameras in provider facilities had nothing to do with wanting to micro manage, but more to do with care and concern for our little one in our family. That is the sole basis and I'm happy to stand behind that. I understand each provider commenting has their own feelings one why they strongly reject the idea. However, I don't understand the lack of compromise. Most families aren't sitting at home watching video footage. We all have jobs and things that take us away from our families and require us to use childcare. Why is it wrong for use to worry and want to know what's going on with them? It's not our fault that we aren't able to be with them every step of the day...I would have preferred it. But it is what it is. So yes. I stand behind a company that I very much appreciate and value. And I'm passionate about what they provide for families like mine.
Because I don't have to compromise and I won't. This is my home. I follow licensing regulations and beyond that,I make the rules. Not parents. And as others have said....trust me and enroll your children in my care without access to footage or don't.
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If you're trying to sell a product or just get the word out there about something your passionate about, maybe do not start off a post criticizing those your marketing to.
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Hmm, as an admin/moderator of this board I am going to venture to say that I do not buy that explanation.

I believe you either own or work for the company and I think you came here to to lure provider's into signing up.

Remember you did make other posts and you did have to register with the forum and provide contact info
This is so very sad and disturbing. My post was honest and many of you...those who are to suppose to be caring individuals responded in an ugly manner. I guess you are caring and kind to children only? I stated clearly that yes I support a specific company and not just that company, but I too support companies such as WatchMeGrow. I am very appreciate of the Texas company, but that is my passion to share that information with others. I should not have to apologize for that. And no...I don't work for WatchMeGrow.

I can't say I appreciate this type of feedback, but thank you for providing me insight.

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Your nephews mother is the one who needs to be watched at all times. She is the most likely of anyone on the planet to harm him. His being special needs even escalates his risk of being injured by her.
Perhaps this is the most offensive comment I've read. His mother has gone through much training and continues to gather information on working with her son and helping him grow. If the comment was meant in a general sense that's fine, but it displays a blatant insensitivity.
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My last comment is this. This particular post was written not to force an issue, but to open up a positive discussion. Not all discussions have to turn into an argument and neither is it necessary to attack someone to get your point across. If my words (or posts) offended you, I apologize.
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Perhaps this is the most offensive comment I've read. His mother has gone through much training and continues to gather information on working with her son and helping him grow. If the comment was meant in a general sense that's fine, but it displays a blatant insensitivity.

It was a general statement of where most abuse occurs (the child's own home), who the gross majority of abusers are(the child's parent or stepparent), and who is more likely to be abused (special needs children are at the top of the list).
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Why are childcare providers so reluctant to be transparent? Most tell parents that they are doing everything they should, but when parents request cameras in their facility the answer is no. Some use the excuse that it's too expensive, but here in Texas there is a company that provides the cameras, installation and maintenance at no cost to the centers. Parents pay (and most are willing) to pay a low monthly fee. But providers still say no. How can parents fully trust what they don't see? Why wouldn't a daycare center provide the ultimate open door policy and allow parents to view what goes on if there is nothing to hide? Wouldn't any provider what to provide a safer place for their children and staff alike?
Not offensive? Positive discussion without attacks?

You may need help seeing your opening statement from a provider's point of view.
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This is so very sad and disturbing. My post was honest and many of you...those who are to suppose to be caring individuals responded in an ugly manner. I guess you are caring and kind to children only? I stated clearly that yes I support a specific company and not just that company, but I too support companies such as WatchMeGrow. I am very appreciate of the Texas company, but that is my passion to share that information with others. I should not have to apologize for that. And no...I don't work for WatchMeGrow.

I can't say I appreciate this type of feedback, but thank you for providing me insight.
Seriously?!? Your attempt to play the victim is rather amusing.

You have yet to answer any of the questions posed to you and yet you feel we are being rude to you!?

WHY do YOU have access to another child's video feed?
WHY do you feel cameras will ensure safety?

You have been asked several VALID and IMPORTANT questions about video cameras, providers have offered you their perspective and yet you have continued to dance around their comments, concerns and questions....

A positive discussion was taking place until you became offensive and a bit squrrely when asked point blank questions so please do not continue to insult family child care providers and members of this forum by saying we are unwilling to be transparent.

Please practice being transparent yourself before demanding that from others.
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Perhaps this is the most offensive comment I've read. His mother has gone through much training and continues to gather information on working with her son and helping him grow. If the comment was meant in a general sense that's fine, but it displays a blatant insensitivity.
If you found the the actual statistics of abuse offensive, you can imagine how most of your posts came across to us child care providers who have literally spent years not just gathering information, but attending classes, seminars and conferences. Many of whom have college degrees in early childhood education, some have Master's degrees in the field. Most have decades of experience caring for children of all abilities, helping them all grow.
You have been told by people who do this work every day, who have a passion for early childhood education, who have decades of experience that cameras do not make children safer, that it violates the privacy of the other children and families in care, and causes more headaches than they are worth, but you have responded to none of that. It has been said here already, but here's a tip, don't start your product pitch by offending your target market. You could have started by appealing to OUR safety, and how cameras can keep us from false accusations. You could have approached it as a novel perk for parents which could help increase enrollment. Instead you said if we weren't willing to have cameras on 24/7 we must have something to hide...offensive.
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This is so very sad and disturbing. My post was honest and many of you...those who are to suppose to be caring individuals responded in an ugly manner. I guess you are caring and kind to children only? I stated clearly that yes I support a specific company and not just that company, but I too support companies such as WatchMeGrow. I am very appreciate of the Texas company, but that is my passion to share that information with others. I should not have to apologize for that. And no...I don't work for WatchMeGrow.

I can't say I appreciate this type of feedback, but thank you for providing me insight.



Perhaps this is the most offensive comment I've read. His mother has gone through much training and continues to gather information on working with her son and helping him grow. If the comment was meant in a general sense that's fine, but it displays a blatant insensitivity.
But its true. Statistically she is BY FAR the most risky adult in her child's life. The numbers don't lie.

And using "much training" to work with a child and help them grow.... well that's the house you are posting in. That's us.

Why would you think WE need cameras on us while your nephew is cared for but his mother doesn't?

That is a blatant insensitive and disrespectful idea. It defies every ounce of statistical data on abuse and neglect.

Please answer why she (who is the most likely to abuse) shouldn't be monitored via video cam while she is caring for him and we should?

Invasion of privacy my friend? Is she willing to be TRANSPARENT?

Let's start with the most risky abusers and neglectful and get them on camera first. Invest and promote that. Then work your way down. You won't get to child care providers within your lifetime because the constant surveillance of the mother, father, boyfriends and girlfriends will keep the police and child welfare system in business for the rest of your life.
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I don't think the OP should hold their breath for the commission on THIS sales pitch...
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I don't think the OP should hold their breath for the commission on THIS sales pitch...
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