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SuperNinjaMommy 03:12 AM 06-24-2011
Yesterday one dcg developed pink eye. Now this family is pretty famous for dropping them off sick and then have "no idea" that they weren't feeling well when they dropped off. When dcm picked up she asked "so if it is pink eye can i still bring her tomorrow" I replied no she needs to be on prescriptions for a t least 24 hours and it is extremely contagious. Well last night I receive a text asking if we could call today a "wash" since his pink eye was out of everyones control and use the fee for today as a credit next week. I said no that I have the 2 week policy and since I have already waved a two week notice for their oldest son (who has a different dad) that I'm not able to this. They replied that they understand but they have to pay another sitter since neither of them can take off work and they can't bring her here. So I simply restated no that if I got pink eye then I wouldn't be able to watch any kids and then all the parents would be out plus my income.

At this point I'm realizing that the fact that she had pink was a non-issue and it was all about getting out free. This family at one point dropped poor dkg off a th and f with a 103 temperature (being sent home both days) then said she had no fever over the weeked and tried bringing him m-th being sent home every day for a fever over 101. Thursday he went to the doctor and had an ear infection. The older child is part time and only comes a few days a week and they say the dad is bad about giving them a schedule so they only know day to day. They pay me for 3 days and then tell me possibly 4 but if so they will pay me on friday. Also, at least 4 times since the spring has started they have dropped off all three kids while they "played hookie" so the fact that they can not take off work is because they are constantly doing this... ummm use your time appropriately.

So even though I said no should I just throw them $20 (which is the total amount they decided they would completely offend me over) and say this is your two weeks or just act like normal day and truck on until the next serious offense? Please help I am not a confrontational person!
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dEHmom 05:03 AM 06-24-2011
wow, sorry to hear all this.

I think you handled it appropriately on the phone call. Stick to your guns, do not give in. Pink eye is awful to get rid of, and will keep popping back up again and again if it's not eliminated immediately. Just a heads up, pink eye will live on the surface of stainless steel ALOT LONGER, so if you have anything stainless steel she may have touches, make sure you are wiping it. When we had pink eye I disinfected every surface of my house I could possibly think of, including my couch!

I don't think that his particular instance is term worthy, but I understand your frustrations.

You can just restate your policy regarding illness/pink eye, this is what I have that I had some help with from members online here, and it's posted on my website.... And advise that failure to follow this policy that they (hopefully) did sign off on, then termination may be the next step.


Sick Policy Reminder

For the protection of all of the children in my care as well as the health of your own child and my family, this is a reminder of my sick policy. In order to protect the group as a whole, I ask that parents assist me by keeping sick children at home. If your child cannot participate in any/all activities, they are not well enough to attend.
In the event that a child becomes sick while in my care, you will be notified immediately, and arrangements for pickup within 1 HOUR will be made. If a child is unable to play outdoors, and/or unable to participate in regular daily activities, alternate arrangements for care must be made.

WHEN A CHILD MAY NOT ATTEND CHILDCARE-
Conjunctivitis(red eyes with yellow discharge)/Pink Eye

Ear Infection

Fever - 99.9 degrees and higher, this includes the night before/morning of daycare ~ A child must be symptom free for 24 hours, without the use of a fever reducer, before they may return to care

Flu/Bronchitis/Pneumonia- This usually takes about 2-3 days before they can return. Must be on antibiotics and no fever for at least 24 hours without taking fever reducing medication. (No note required as long as they have been taking antibiotics as prescribed)

Head Lice

Chicken Pox/Measles/Rash

Strep Throat/Whooping Cough/Pertussis- No note required but child must be on antibiotics for 24 hours and free of fever for 24 hours without the use of fever reducer.

Vomiting or/and Diarrhea- No note required. All symptoms must be gone and no Vomiting or Diarrhea for 24 hours

ANY OTHER INFECTIOUS/CONTAGIOUS DISEASE NOT MENTIONED ABOVE.
Contagious diseases are often caused by the spread of bacteria or viruses (like chicken pox, measles, hand-foot-and-mouth diseases, etc) in droplets of saliva and mucus and can easily be transferred through an uncovered cough or sneeze, or by sharing toys. Often these diseases are most contagious during the incubation period prior to symptoms showing, but fever often is a good indication that there is something wrong, thus the need to keep your child home for a minimum of 24 hours without fever reducers.

Common Cold Policy
Children suffering from a common cold will be assessed on an individual basis. Factors of consideration include the developmental level of your child in congruence with my ability to limit the spread of germs. The younger the child, the more difficult it is to keep the spread of germs down eg hand to face contact, mouthing of toys, uncontrolled nasal discharge, uncovered sneezing and coughing. Please remember that I, as the child care provider, reserve the right to refuse care, if I feel it is necessary to protect all who attend/live-in my home. If you are unsure if your child will be able attend, please contact me PRIOR to bringing your child.

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While it is not possible to prevent all illnesses from entering my home, with your help, we can minimize and help to avoid the spread and circular cycle most colds/flu's often cause.

PLEASE BE COURTEOUS OF ALL CHILDREN IN MY PROGRAM, AND REFRAIN FROM BRINGING AN ILL CHILD UNTIL 24 HOURS HAVE PASSED SINCE ANY FEVER, VOMITING, DIARRHEA, OR ANY OTHER COMMUNICABLE SYMPTOMS HAVE OCCURRED.

Note: Please remember, that if someone else in the household is ill, your child may still be contagious. By bringing a child to childcare, if someone else in the house is ill, even if they are not, other children in my care, and myself, will be put at risk. Should I become ill, I would have to close for a day or more, leaving you to find alternative care, or having to stay home.

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Kaddidle Care 05:22 AM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by dEHmom:
"PLEASE BE COURTEOUS OF ALL CHILDREN IN MY PROGRAM, AND REFRAIN FROM BRINGING AN ILL CHILD UNTIL 24 HOURS HAVE PASSED SINCE ANY FEVER, VOMITING, DIARRHEA, OR ANY OTHER COMMUNICABLE SYMPTOMS HAVE OCCURRED.

Note: Please remember, that if someone else in the household is ill, your child may still be contagious. By bringing a child to childcare, if someone else in the house is ill, even if they are not, other children in my care, and myself, will be put at risk. Should I become ill, I would have to close for a day or more, leaving you to find alternative care, or having to stay home. "
Excellent! Now do your parents actually read it?

You know, if you cancel a Dr's. appointment the day before, you still have to pay. You might want to point that out to DC Mom. No, sorry, she doesn't get the day off free. You've reserved that space especially for her child/children and it's not like you can pop another child in that space for the day to recoop your salary.

Also, pointing out that chain reaction resulting from their negligence is also helpful. When an infected child enters a Childcare situation, MANY will be affected financially if the infection/illness spreads.

Who will loose income? The Childcare worker AND the parents that will have to stay home with their children.

I made COURTEOUS bold in the above statement for a reason. There's an awfully large population out there that think the world revolves around them. Selfish doesn't even begin to describe them.

While I don't feel this is a reason to term, if she refuses to pay for that day then there's your outlet.

You said: "This family at one point dropped poor dkg off a th and f with a 103 temperature (being sent home both days) then said she had no fever over the weeked and tried bringing him m-th being sent home every day for a fever over 101. Thursday he went to the doctor and had an ear infection"

Why don't you have 24 hours fever free in your policy/handbook? If you don't have that, it's time to put it in there. You would not have had to go through this. I also feel that if a child is on antibiotics, they should stay home 48 hours to make sure the antibiotic kicks in before the child returns to childcare.
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SuperNinjaMommy 05:31 AM 06-24-2011
Thanks for the advice. I was just so awestruck over this. They told me that their doctor said since he started antibiotics last night that he would be fine for daycare which is why they are stating they shouldn't have to pay. Little do they know is that I'm friends with that doctors nurse and she has said otherwise. They also stated with the 103 temperature that the doctor said it wasn't contagious until 104. This family is one of those that has a constant issue. It's just frustrating. Thanks for talking me down off the termination ledge, it would just be so much easier (sanity wise but not economically as they are 3 kids!)
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dEHmom 05:37 AM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by Kaddidle Care:
Excellent! Now do your parents actually read it?
yep, i have fantastic parents! and my newest family who started end of may have a doctor in the family. the dcm's dad is a doctor, and the mom is a dean at a university. They were INCREDIBLY impressed with my website and the Dean even thought that I studied child psychology hahahahaha!!!! I did used to really want to be a child psychologist, but decided I am not strong enough to not become attached to the children, AND I am definitely not strong enough to hear some of the things that might come through. It would break my heart. I think maybe one day I might possibly pursue that avenue just for my own personal satisfaction, but I don't think I would actually work in the field itself.

I just hope these families stick around for a long time. One family I know wants to have another child in the next year but hopefully they'd want to come back after. But that means I would have to get a new house, lol, and become licensed.
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dEHmom 05:40 AM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by SuperNinjaMommy:
Thanks for the advice. I was just so awestruck over this. They told me that their doctor said since he started antibiotics last night that he would be fine for daycare which is why they are stating they shouldn't have to pay. Little do they know is that I'm friends with that doctors nurse and she has said otherwise. They also stated with the 103 temperature that the doctor said it wasn't contagious until 104. This family is one of those that has a constant issue. It's just frustrating. Thanks for talking me down off the termination ledge, it would just be so much easier (sanity wise but not economically as they are 3 kids!)
Honey you need to look at what you just said. They are clearly liars, and you could've just said flat out, "I require a doctors note saying that dck is not contagious and can return to care".
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SuperNinjaMommy 06:23 AM 06-24-2011
Oh I totally know they are liars, I catch them in lies at least weekly. However, it's not a reason to terminate but is a reason to chuckle at how dumb they must think I am. This family was the first family that I ever signed onto my daycare and I was truly naive even though my mom had done daycare for 25 years. I thought people just had common sense, which don't get me wrong all my others parents do and they are all amazing. This family however is constant stress!
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MarinaVanessa 07:01 AM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by SuperNinjaMommy:
They also stated with the 103 temperature that the doctor said it wasn't contagious until 104.
Do you mean to tell me that they think a fever of 103 isn't something serious to them??? Not contageous until 104??? As in "Oh my child with a fever is not contageous until he is rediculously close to or having a seizure"!

My immediate emotional response was to ask you if I could come over and slap them for you, maybe knock some common sense into them ... but then I took a deep breath to calm myself down and after the initial shock wore off ... nope, I still want to slap them . Poor you, can you give them a handout with info about fevers and illnesses? Maybe sit down with them and go through it to explain it in a non-confrontational way? I feel so bad that your DC family is making you go through this, it would frustrate the heck out of me.
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Blackcat31 07:51 AM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by SuperNinjaMommy:
Oh I totally know they are liars, I catch them in lies at least weekly. However, it's not a reason to terminate but is a reason to chuckle at how dumb they must think I am. This family was the first family that I ever signed onto my daycare and I was truly naive even though my mom had done daycare for 25 years. I thought people just had common sense, which don't get me wrong all my others parents do and they are all amazing. This family however is constant stress!
Umm, yeah it is. I would terminate a family in a moment if I thought they were lying about things that effect MY business and the other children who attend. That is not only dishonest but completly disrespectful.
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rbmom 08:08 AM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Umm, yeah it is. I would terminate a family in a moment if I thought they were lying about things that effect MY business and the other children who attend. That is not only dishonest but completly disrespectful.
I agree, I can put up with a lot of stuff but lying to me is not one of them! Especially when it could affect the child care kids and my kids!
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SuperNinjaMommy 10:30 AM 06-24-2011
well most of the time the lies are dumb but it's entertaining to me. I've decided at this point to keep watching for them but no longer be passive regarding to the 2 week policy for their oldest because clearly it is no longer helping them out. At first they were completely blaming it on the bio dad with the scheduling so I was understanding but I've since realized that it's simply not the case.

For all your entertainment purposes (since I know we all love parents who pawn kids off) This is my favorite from them....

me: How was your do this weekend?
them: good we went to a concert and tailgated all day
me: man, that's awesome, it's so hard for me to find someone who is willing to babsit on weekends that I trust, I only trust maybe 2 people with my kids
them: oh yah I know but we've known kara, or is it krystal? anyways we've known her for a long time. Oh it's katelyn, that's right. We completely trust her.....
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Kaddidle Care 10:48 AM 06-24-2011
Oye!
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SuperNinjaMommy 12:13 PM 06-24-2011
See now, one of my other parents just brought my family two dozen cookies. Why can't they all be this amazing?
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Mike Lassiter 03:04 PM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by rbmom:
I agree, I can put up with a lot of stuff but lying to me is not one of them! Especially when it could affect the child care kids and my kids!
People lying to me will have you permanently on my $hit list. I HATE a liar. Wasn't raised to be one and didn't raise my kids to be either. Now, that didn't stop them from doing it anyway knowing how I feel about it. I take it coming from people that know how I feel about being lied to as a seriously hugh disrespect. You insult me by lying to me. That shows either you think I am a dumb ass and believe your lies or you are a dumb ass for telling them. Once trust is lost by lying I am very careful as to what I believe those people say. If you lie generally speaking about ANYTHING you do; it's because you knew better but did it anyway and hate for anybody to know. So, who does that make a dumb ass?
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Unregistered 03:38 PM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by Mike Lassiter:
People lying to me will have you permanently on my $hit list. I HATE a liar. Wasn't raised to be one and didn't raise my kids to be either. Now, that didn't stop them from doing it anyway knowing how I feel about it. I take it coming from people that know how I feel about being lied to as a seriously hugh disrespect. You insult me by lying to me. That shows either you think I am a dumb ass and believe your lies or you are a dumb ass for telling them. Once trust is lost by lying I am very careful as to what I believe those people say. If you lie generally speaking about ANYTHING you do; it's because you knew better but did it anyway and hate for anybody to know. So, who does that make a dumb ass?
Hahaha!!! I totally agree. Not to mention that these parents are horrible role models for their kids, who will eventually be old enough to pick up on the lies and most likely become liars themselves! If dad & mom do it, it must be ok. "Oh be careful little eyes what you see...."
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wdmmom 04:54 PM 06-24-2011
Originally Posted by dEHmom:
Honey you need to look at what you just said. They are clearly liars, and you could've just said flat out, "I require a doctors note saying that dck is not contagious and can return to care".
I got so tired of getting doctors notes saying the child was okay to return to daycare that I changed my policy to this:

A note from your physician STATING YOUR CHILD'S DIAGNOSIS is required to return to daycare. It will then be at the discretion of the provider to determine if you child is able to return to daycare.

Parent's have it too easy today...they take a kid to the doctor and they say they need a note for their child to return to daycare. BAM...doctor writes a note. It doesn't say whether he is ill, infected or contagious. It should be up to US to decide whether we want the child there or not. If they can not function for the duration they need to be in care, they should not attend. Some of these parents need to take the responsibility to stay home with their sick babies.

I always tell prospective clients off the bat that they need to have job flexibility and staying home with a sick one is sometimes the best medicine.
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laundrymom 07:49 PM 06-24-2011
Holy cow
I'm surprised they remember their Childs name!!! Lol



Originally Posted by SuperNinjaMommy:
well most of the time the lies are dumb but it's entertaining to me. I've decided at this point to keep watching for them but no longer be passive regarding to the 2 week policy for their oldest because clearly it is no longer helping them out. At first they were completely blaming it on the bio dad with the scheduling so I was understanding but I've since realized that it's simply not the case.

For all your entertainment purposes (since I know we all love parents who pawn kids off) This is my favorite from them....

me: How was your do this weekend?
them: good we went to a concert and tailgated all day
me: man, that's awesome, it's so hard for me to find someone who is willing to babsit on weekends that I trust, I only trust maybe 2 people with my kids
them: oh yah I know but we've known kara, or is it krystal? anyways we've known her for a long time. Oh it's katelyn, that's right. We completely trust her.....

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Springdaze 05:19 AM 06-27-2011
In NJ and Im sure where you are too, its not up to YOU to say when a child is well, the state says so. I guess its up to the provider to enforce, which Im not as good at! Blame it on the licensing agency, because you would get into trouble if they showed up and had a sick kid. anyway, how does your policy go regarding absence? If I am open everyone pays! Not my fault your child is sick! and the ones who come sick are the first ones to complain if they see another child sneeze!
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SuperNinjaMommy 10:29 AM 06-27-2011
So apparently saturday they ended up having to take dcg to the emergency room and was diagnosed with croup. They brought her this morning and ON fever reducer (which I was told intially that she did not have any) her fever was 100.5. I did not find out that she was on reducer until I called to make sure the tylenol would be ok and they told me no because she had just given it to her 45 minutes earlier. This baby was so miserable that she couldn't even cry. I even asked dcm if she had an ear infection before she even left from dropping off because she kept digging at her ear and the dcm said no but then later I was told when I called to say she was doing horribly that the doctor wanted a follow up visit today because the ear was red. So currently they are at the doctor ((thank God!!))

The SAME family, the bio dad for their oldest dropped off and said he will pick up dcb at 3 tommorrow. Tommorrow is not a scheduled day for this kid but he said that the dcm said it was already set. I did not get paid for this day and even confirmed this morning when they handed me the check the days for the week.

I am SO annoyed!
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Meeko 10:54 AM 06-27-2011
Originally Posted by wdmmom:
I got so tired of getting doctors notes saying the child was okay to return to daycare that I changed my policy to this:

A note from your physician STATING YOUR CHILD'S DIAGNOSIS is required to return to daycare. It will then be at the discretion of the provider to determine if you child is able to return to daycare.

Parent's have it too easy today...they take a kid to the doctor and they say they need a note for their child to return to daycare. BAM...doctor writes a note. It doesn't say whether he is ill, infected or contagious. It should be up to US to decide whether we want the child there or not. If they can not function for the duration they need to be in care, they should not attend. Some of these parents need to take the responsibility to stay home with their sick babies.

I always tell prospective clients off the bat that they need to have job flexibility and staying home with a sick one is sometimes the best medicine.
I have this in my handbook too! Just because the doc says yes, doesn't trump the fact that it's YOUR home and YOUR business. Many times the doc will just write a note to make the parent happy. They don't care if all the kids at your day care get sick (heck...it's job security for them!)
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Kaddidle Care 03:58 PM 06-27-2011
Originally Posted by SuperNinjaMommy:
So apparently saturday they ended up having to take dcg to the emergency room and was diagnosed with croup. They brought her this morning and ON fever reducer (which I was told intially that she did not have any) her fever was 100.5. I did not find out that she was on reducer until I called to make sure the tylenol would be ok and they told me no because she had just given it to her 45 minutes earlier. This baby was so miserable that she couldn't even cry.
Please tell me you told them to pick her up immediately!

You know.. I think it's time to write up those termination papers.
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SuperNinjaMommy 03:11 AM 06-28-2011
So all this time everytime I talk to dcd he's been sticking to this dcg "got 4 steroid shots" this weekend at ER. I didn't believe it at all so I just kind of made it into a big deal as I can't believe they would give a sick baby 4 shots of anything let alone steroids. So I just kept asking about it. He went into location of shots and even that him and his wife both dcg down to get them as well as that "she was like iron man lifting everything up afterwards"

I almost LOL'd when he told me that!

Anyways, dcm came in to pick up the other two kids and was talking about how pitiful dcg was at the er and mentioned that they gave her an oral steroid.... NOT the shot steroids like the other parent said.


WHAT is wrong with people!?!?!?!?!?!!

Anyways, I guess we'll see how today goes... no doubt they will try to bring her again. Gosh I REALLY can't lose this income over their stupidity!!!!!
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Kaddidle Care 05:31 AM 06-28-2011
Are these the only children you are watching?

The child went home with a fever yesterday - she should not be returning today. Do you have a Doctor's note stating it's the croup? It could be RSV and the way these people habitually lie to you, it very well could be.

Do not let these people risk the health of the other children you are watching.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/croup/page7_em.htm
"Because most croup is caused by viral infections"
"Croup Causes

Croup is most commonly caused by a viral respiratory infection that is easily passed among children. Common viral causes include parainfluenza, influenza, adenovirus, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), and rhinovirus."

Just curious - are the parents smokers?
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SuperNinjaMommy 06:16 AM 06-28-2011
No I watch other kids as well, I just told the parents the child would be completely isolated so I wouldn't get the others sick. I mean I basically said he will be in a pack n play in a room by herself if you bring her and they were totally fine with it.... although I wasn't. I do not have a policy on sick as of now... although after this that will be changing. So basically it's like I'm making up rules as I go at this point. I finally put a cap on fever of 101 so that I had some kind of guideline. My secret weapon is that I go to the same pediatrician's office as them and I'm personal friends with their nurse so as much as she can tell me she has. She's on antibiotics now for a sinus infection on top of the pink eye and croup and feels tons better today although we are still isolating.

They are not smokers (that I know of) however, I've been to their house and it is super dirty so it would not surprise me if that has something to do with it. The kids are often not bathed (I'll fix the middle daughters hair and it will be the same the next day and it will continue through the entire week so I have to brush her hair every morning when she arrives) This morning the same one who's sick was poopy when she arrived. I thought it was odd when the dcd was holding onto her longer than usual (he usually throws her over as soon as he gets inside but this time walked all the way in my family room which is through 3 other rooms to set her down). The middle one has even arrived with dried poop on her hand and as soon as walking in my house was crying asking me to get it off.

Basically, I love these kids and I can tell they do not get the adequate amount of attention or care at home so I feel like I need to step in and be that care and attention for them. That's why I put up with the parents. I mean the non-attention was obvious when dcd was more mad that he was going to pay me when he had to keep his kid home then he was upset she had pink eye.
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Kaddidle Care 07:21 AM 06-28-2011
More power to ya hon - you're a saint.

Get that policy on illness going pronto.

Please don't pester your friend at the Dr's. office for information. That's a privacy right infringement and she could be fired for that. (And charged in court)
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SuperNinjaMommy 07:40 AM 06-28-2011
not pestering at all and she was actually a friend before a nurse, and she didn't give out any information other than what a doctor would advise to parents in that situation (like I asked if they would say they could go back to daycare after less than 12 hours on antibiotics.) Nothing specific, I didn't even give out a name as that would be releasing information on my end too
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