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Baby Beluga 11:56 AM 01-03-2017
I am part of a few local FB childcare groups and another provider posted this today:

"Good morning, starting any where after June I am looking to do childcare out of my home for the right family. I'm keeping my options open. I am certified in child development and have my training as a newborn care specialist. I have over 5 years of experience. I currently provide date nights, overnight , Occasional Saturday or Sunday care for my RN (12 hour shifts)mommy, she has a 3 month old and a two year old. During the week I am providing care for two children a 5 month old and a two year old full time. Including drop ins once a month. I am not your average child care provider. I am educated. 🤓Please take this in consideration. I am also a mom of two who are 21 months and 3 years old.
I'm looking for no less that 3 days of work per week. I am open to more days if needed. Don't mind 12 hour shifts. If you need occasional weekend days I can be flexible and work with you.😉
Please message me if your interested and have a Newborn or toddlers needing quality care starting this summer. I would like to bring my 1 year old who will be 2. Socialization will be great for your little one to make a friend and he's very gentle with babies."

Her comment about being educated rubbed me the wrong way and wondered if anyone else felt it was an off comment.
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Cat Herder 12:03 PM 01-03-2017
The "not average" "educated" provider generally washes out in under 24 months.

No worries.
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midaycare 12:04 PM 01-03-2017
Yes. And I'm "educated". Also educated enough to know that's offensive.

As a parent I see she lacks enough experience and it looks like this is a hobby for her as her kids are little. She wouldn't be my cup of tea.

I sent to ds to "uneducated" people and modeled my program after theirs. Education doesn't mean jack.

ETA: I'm not in competition with those people. We moved cross country. That just sounded bad when I reread that. "Thanks for taking care of ds! Now I'm going to try to take away your business!"
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MarinaVanessa 12:05 PM 01-03-2017
It would have rubbed me the wrong way too. I don't know that I would have responded to her post but I would have wanted to ... maybe something nice though like ...

"Most of us that provide child care in our homes or in other peoples homes are also educated and have degrees in early childhood education and child development "
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Pestle 12:05 PM 01-03-2017
It's garbled and meandering, full of misspellings, bad grammar, and irrelevant information. Whatever her child care qualifications, she never studied composition.

Look at it this way: Like a Nigerian prince scam email, it'll turn off the savvy reader immediately and only draw in the families you probably will be happier not dealing with.
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racemom 12:10 PM 01-03-2017
Wow! I guess she thinks the rest of us are to dumb to do anything else! Uneducated? Go find some kids to babysit. That is what she seems to think the majority of us are doing. Sorry, but yes it does rub me the wrong way. I have a degree, and I am required to do yearly training to be able to be an early education professional.
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Play Care 12:10 PM 01-03-2017
Eh, the whole ad seems very immature/unprofessional.
I'd say the educated comment is the least of it...

I wouldn't feel the need to say anything to her about it though. Not my circus and all.
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Baby Beluga 12:12 PM 01-03-2017
Glad I am not the only one who found it offensive

I'm not responding to her post (although part of me would like to point out the distaste of her post). I just found it very rude to say that on a page designated for providers and parents and frankly I was surprised.
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Pestle 12:16 PM 01-03-2017
Originally Posted by Play Care:
Eh, the whole ad seems very immature/unprofessional.
I'd say the educated comment is the least of it...

I wouldn't feel the need to say anything to her about it though. Not my circus and all.
Unless she's paying you to revise her ad, stay out of it, right?
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Poptarts22 01:04 PM 01-03-2017
Well, isn't that special!?!
I have done this job 23 years. I have a masters in business from a Big 10 University. I hold an associates degree in childhood development and I spent a summer abroad on a literary fellowship. Point is, I could get in a pissing contest with the best of them on education, but the part of my resume that makes me the BEST qualified for this job? That would be the HISTORY of staying power I have. Any provider that has weathered the long term trials and tribulations of this career is far more qualified than some "fly-by-night-this-is-my-new-calling" provider who may not last six months
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midaycare 01:10 PM 01-03-2017
Originally Posted by Poptarts22:
Well, isn't that special!?!
I have done this job 23 years. I have a masters in business from a Big 10 University. I hold an associates degree in childhood development and I spent a summer abroad on a literary fellowship. Point is, I could get in a pissing contest with the best of them on education, but the part of my resume that makes me the BEST qualified for this job? That would be the HISTORY of staying power I have. Any provider that has weathered the long term trials and tribulations of this career is far more qualified than some "fly-by-night-this-is-my-new-calling" provider who may not last six months
Tee hee
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Baby Beluga 01:17 PM 01-03-2017
Originally Posted by Pestle:
It's garbled and meandering, full of misspellings, bad grammar, and irrelevant information. Whatever her child care qualifications, she never studied composition.

Look at it this way: Like a Nigerian prince scam email, it'll turn off the savvy reader immediately and only draw in the families you probably will be happier not dealing with.

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sahm1225 01:28 PM 01-03-2017
It is offensive. But it's also confusing, she says she's looking to do it out of her home but then says she wants to bring her almost 2 year old with her? It looks like she combined too many different thoughts in her ad and it comes accross to me as someone who likes thinking they are so much better than everyone else!
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Mike 01:47 PM 01-03-2017
Originally Posted by Pestle:
It's garbled and meandering, full of misspellings, bad grammar, and irrelevant information. Whatever her child care qualifications, she never studied composition.

Look at it this way: Like a Nigerian prince scam email, it'll turn off the savvy reader immediately and only draw in the families you probably will be happier not dealing with.
I totally agree.
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Blackcat31 01:53 PM 01-03-2017
Meh. Lots of things are offensive but it's all in the eye of the beholder...or reader in this case.

I mind my own bobber when it comes to things like this.

It's really no different than those that use the word teacher.

To some it's offensive, to others it just is what it is.

Again, it's all in how the reader chooses to perceive it.
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Play Care 01:59 PM 01-03-2017
Originally Posted by Pestle:
Unless she's paying you to revise her ad, stay out of it, right?
Well, sure!

But seriously, I can see a bunch of providers getting their panties in a bunch and taking her to task over it on FB and beyond.
I find ignoring stupid to be more effective.
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midaycare 02:12 PM 01-03-2017
Originally Posted by Play Care:
Well, sure!

But seriously, I can see a bunch of providers getting their panties in a bunch and taking her to task over it on FB and beyond.
I find ignoring stupid to be more effective.
There's no way I would involve myself in the drama of telling someone something they posted on fb was wrong...but reading that definitely made me cringe. It's like, "know your audience!"
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daycare 02:16 PM 01-03-2017
all I could think of is that she forgot to say in her post.

Also, when I fart, my $hit doesn't stink either......WOW wee.

She must be younger. I find that the younger generation tend to think they are above the rest.
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Ariana 03:32 PM 01-03-2017
I once wrote an ad trying to seperate myself from the pack by explaining that due to my education I belonged to a regulatory body and got in trouble for it. The admin wouldn't post my ad. She told me my ad was offensive to other providers and that just because I was "educated" didn't mean I was better yadda yadda. She basically did not understand that my regulatory body actually does "police me" (which is what I was trying to explain in my ad as most people don't understand that). Not once did I compare myself to others, not once did I say it made me better I was simply using it to help me find kids....the same way a provider might say "16 years experience" or "bright upper floor playroom" etc. Her temper tantrum and lack of self esteem ruined my chance at explaining something pretty basic.

I would never have written what she wrote and I do find it unprofessional but at the same time someone judged mine as being offensive when to me it wasn't offensive AT. ALL!
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Josiegirl 04:08 AM 01-04-2017
Originally Posted by sahm1225:
It is offensive. But it's also confusing, she says she's looking to do it out of her home but then says she wants to bring her almost 2 year old with her? It looks like she combined too many different thoughts in her ad and it comes accross to me as someone who likes thinking they are so much better than everyone else!
Exactly my thoughts. But I'd give it a quick glance and continue on my way. Life is too short to be bothered by stuff that doesn't matter in my life.
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daycarediva 12:16 PM 01-04-2017
Originally Posted by Pestle:
It's garbled and meandering, full of misspellings, bad grammar, and irrelevant information. Whatever her child care qualifications, she never studied composition.

Look at it this way: Like a Nigerian prince scam email, it'll turn off the savvy reader immediately and only draw in the families you probably will be happier not dealing with.

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Mom2Two 02:23 PM 01-04-2017
My first impression was just that she was trying to tout her strengths--just plain advertising and marketing. If she really wants to do this, she needs to show why a parent should choose her above another.

However, like others have said, education probably only gets her 15% of the way. I think the hardest thing about this job is dealing with all the parents, some of whom are jerks or nuts, and the others are mostly under different types of stress.
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Mom2Two 02:30 PM 01-04-2017
But her wording was insulting to other providers. One of the teachers at our CCR&R, who has a master's, told us that she learned more from our state training classes than she did in her master's. I believe it! The training classes are great.
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Mandy 05:22 PM 01-04-2017
Honestly, even though education is very much important, I would be looking at how the provider interacts with the kids. Her wording in her ad conveyed a message that said (to me at least) "Look at me.... I know lots of stuff.... choose me instead of the others !" Nowhere in her ad did it mention what she does with the children. Also. The message in the ad has to be clear.
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Trudie63 08:05 AM 01-05-2017
In my opinion okay she is educated, is she licensed, does she know the state rules, is she monitored is she basically held accountable. Does she have the "training" that we as providers get every year.
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Play Care 08:21 AM 01-05-2017
My thought is that when anyone over-stresses their education, it's usually because they are insecure about themselves or their actual level of education. She claims to be "certified" but what exactly does that mean? Does she have a CDA? An AA/AS in ECE or LPN? A BA/BS in education?

As others have pointed out, her ad/message doesn't read like an educated person.
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childcaremom 08:45 AM 01-05-2017
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
The "not average" "educated" provider generally washes out in under 24 months.

No worries.
I was going to say this. Generally when there are local ads like this, these providers don't end up staying in childcare very long.

The ad does confuse me, though. Is she watching in her home or travelling?

As a provider, I just carry on. As a parent, I would skip right past it.
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Pestle 09:22 AM 01-05-2017
Okay, never mind; I couldn't help revising:

"I am offering full- and part-time child care. I have experience, certification, and references. Contact me for more information."
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Papa 11:53 AM 01-05-2017
Wow what a diva attitude! It doesn't matter how much education you have, with that type of thinking that your better educated then most therefore you are better, I hope no one wants their kids to be with you. I have 34 years doing this in my home with NO degrees except 100's of hours in simple training class meetings. I have a large waiting list and earn just as much as someone with a degree. You need to go to a center to work.
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MotherNature 03:12 PM 01-05-2017
Being so educated, you'd think she'd know the difference between your and you're.
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Mom2Two 05:58 PM 01-05-2017
Anyone who says they don't mind 12 hour shifts must be reeeeallly trying to kick-start their business. I'm guessing all of it must come from her being so new and just starting up.
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nannyde 03:19 AM 01-06-2017
Ummmm what is this "I am certified in child development and have my training as a newborn care specialist.:

Who gives out newborn care specialist degrees or certificates?

For someone so educated, she sure can't manage a paragraph.

I want a newborn specialist degree.... or a newborn expert degree... or a newborn cuddler degree... sompin like that.
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Josiegirl 03:47 AM 01-06-2017
I'm going to write myself out a newborn cuddler degree.....that's something I could do all day long.
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Unregistered 09:12 PM 01-06-2017
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Meh. Lots of things are offensive but it's all in the eye of the beholder...or reader in this case.

I mind my own bobber when it comes to things like this.

It's really no different than those that use the word teacher.

To some it's offensive, to others it just is what it is.

Again, it's all in how the reader chooses to perceive it.
I was going to stay out of this, but as a teacher I don't think it's fair anyone can call themselves a teacher. I know a lot about medicine and have take care of many disabled people. Can I say I am a nurse? No. Can I say I am a a CNA? No. I think it is disrespectful to them. You may call yourself a teacher, but you can't go to a public school and get a job. I can. I have a teaching license and a degree in education. I am a allowed to state so in my advertising materials. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Least time I check, you can go back and become a teacher. No one is stopping you.
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nannyde 03:45 AM 01-07-2017
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I was going to stay out of this, but as a teacher I don't think it's fair anyone can call themselves a teacher. I know a lot about medicine and have take care of many disabled people. Can I say I am a nurse? No. Can I say I am a a CNA? No. I think it is disrespectful to them. You may call yourself a teacher, but you can't go to a public school and get a job. I can. I have a teaching license and a degree in education. I am a allowed to state so in my advertising materials. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Least time I check, you can go back and become a teacher. No one is stopping you.

And the choir said AMEN.

Trust me... most providers don't WANT to be teachers. They want to provide CARE not education.

Here's the deal though. You teachers ALLOW this. You don't come together and protect your title. Why? Why aren't you working with your legislature's and licensing to draw up regulations that child care workers staff assistants can't be called teachers unless they actually HAVE a degree in education and a teaching certificate?

Centers use the word "teachers" because it makes them money. It makes them look like a SCHOOL. Parents want SCHOOL. They don't want to call them "eight dollar an hour employees with a GED" assistants. If a parent asks the actual education of the staff they say things like "X percent of our staff have X and X percent is 'working' on X. The "working" on the degree is the key word. The staff could have one class in a college setting and they are "working" on it.

Now some centers have degreed and certified teachers... I know that occurs. But they should not be able to call anyone who doesn't have a teaching degree a teacher. It's a lie and it hurts the home child care business.

It's not just centers that do it. There are businesses who provide continuing education to child care workers who do it too. Applebaum's is one of them. I've spoken to them about this before. Their belief is that ANYBODY who works with a child is teaching them so thus they are a teacher. Children are constantly learning so anyone who is caring for them is teaching them as they learn.

That's like saying anyone who puts on a band aid or an ice pack is a nurse. Fortunately my profession doesn't put up with anyone professing to be a nurse because they do some of the things a nurse would do in their job.

I think this is also about money. I've been to many conferences from continuing education providers and calling the audience teachers makes the center worker attendee's feel real good about themselves. Then they go buy products and attend more of their trainings. Where else can you be called a name associated with a highly trained and educated worker by just starting a job without even having a GED or a HS diploma. They refer to themselves as teachers because it makes them feel good about themselves. It also takes away that BIG sting that comes on payday when the check is so small and the work is so hard.

If we call ourselves teacher the parents want proof. I'm a RN, BSN, and now PHN (public health nurse) and believe me, the incoming parents wanted to see my card or were able to look it up online or call the State Board of Nursing.

I'm with ya sister. I would be upset too. I beg you to DO something about it.
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Blackcat31 08:02 AM 01-07-2017
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I was going to stay out of this, but as a teacher I don't think it's fair anyone can call themselves a teacher. I know a lot about medicine and have take care of many disabled people. Can I say I am a nurse? No. Can I say I am a a CNA? No. I think it is disrespectful to them. You may call yourself a teacher, but you can't go to a public school and get a job. I can. I have a teaching license and a degree in education. I am a allowed to state so in my advertising materials. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Least time I check, you can go back and become a teacher. No one is stopping you.
I'm not sure if you are speaking in general or to me specifically since you quoted me but I didn't say I was or wasn't a teacher.

I was merely pointing out that some ARE offended when certain words are used. You just provided a perfect example.
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racemom 12:10 PM 01-07-2017
Originally Posted by nannyde:
And the choir said AMEN.

Trust me... most providers don't WANT to be teachers. They want to provide CARE not education.

Here's the deal though. You teachers ALLOW this. You don't come together and protect your title. Why? Why aren't you working with your legislature's and licensing to draw up regulations that child care workers staff assistants can't be called teachers unless they actually HAVE a degree in education and a teaching certificate?

Centers use the word "teachers" because it makes them money. It makes them look like a SCHOOL. Parents want SCHOOL. They don't want to call them "eight dollar an hour employees with a GED" assistants. If a parent asks the actual education of the staff they say things like "X percent of our staff have X and X percent is 'working' on X. The "working" on the degree is the key word. The staff could have one class in a college setting and they are "working" on it.

Now some centers have degreed and certified teachers... I know that occurs. But they should not be able to call anyone who doesn't have a teaching degree a teacher. It's a lie and it hurts the home child care business.

It's not just centers that do it. There are businesses who provide continuing education to child care workers who do it too. Applebaum's is one of them. I've spoken to them about this before. Their belief is that ANYBODY who works with a child is teaching them so thus they are a teacher. Children are constantly learning so anyone who is caring for them is teaching them as they learn.

That's like saying anyone who puts on a band aid or an ice pack is a nurse. Fortunately my profession doesn't put up with anyone professing to be a nurse because they do some of the things a nurse would do in their job.

I think this is also about money. I've been to many conferences from continuing education providers and calling the audience teachers makes the center worker attendee's feel real good about themselves. Then they go buy products and attend more of their trainings. Where else can you be called a name associated with a highly trained and educated worker by just starting a job without even having a GED or a HS diploma. They refer to themselves as teachers because it makes them feel good about themselves. It also takes away that BIG sting that comes on payday when the check is so small and the work is so hard.

If we call ourselves teacher the parents want proof. I'm a RN, BSN, and now PHN (public health nurse) and believe me, the incoming parents wanted to see my card or were able to look it up online or call the State Board of Nursing.

I'm with ya sister. I would be upset too. I beg you to DO something about it.
In my state (Nebraska) the state mandates that we have a teacher in each room. We can be non-certified teachers, which means we have the experience and training, or a degree. While I may not agree with it, if asked by a state inspector or in training, you need to say you are a teacher, if you classify yourself as daycare staff you cannot be left alone with children. So yes, we do call ourselves teachers because it is mandated by the state, not because we are trying to appear to be something we are not, or seem important. I also spend countless hours in training and planning activities and schedule for our day. I work in a classroom of children with behavioral problems, so independent play is not an option for most of the day. We are working on lots of social/emotional issues.
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ColorfulSunburst 01:28 PM 01-08-2017
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I was going to stay out of this, but as a teacher I don't think it's fair anyone can call themselves a teacher. I know a lot about medicine and have take care of many disabled people. Can I say I am a nurse? No. Can I say I am a a CNA? No. I think it is disrespectful to them. You may call yourself a teacher, but you can't go to a public school and get a job. I can. I have a teaching license and a degree in education. I am a allowed to state so in my advertising materials. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Least time I check, you can go back and become a teacher. No one is stopping you.
I was going to stay out of this too but after your post, I decide to step in.
There are many people who have teacher's diplomas but aren't teachers (even more, some of them must be never allowed be near kids) and there are many people who don't have teacher's diploma but are great teachers. If you have a teacher's degree it doesn't mean you are a teacher. It just means that you have the right to work as a teacher in public school.
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Ariana 07:58 PM 01-10-2017
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I was going to stay out of this, but as a teacher I don't think it's fair anyone can call themselves a teacher. I know a lot about medicine and have take care of many disabled people. Can I say I am a nurse? No. Can I say I am a a CNA? No. I think it is disrespectful to them. You may call yourself a teacher, but you can't go to a public school and get a job. I can. I have a teaching license and a degree in education. I am a allowed to state so in my advertising materials. If that hurts your feelings, too bad. Least time I check, you can go back and become a teacher. No one is stopping you.
I am a teacher. I may not have a teaching license or teach in a school but I teach every single solitary day. I am an Early Childhood Educator. You don't own the word Teacher, that is preposterous.
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