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TickleMonster 07:27 PM 06-21-2014
My own kids attend what is considered a year round school so while most are on summer break, they are still in school. Their school is having an awards ceremony next week and usually my mother stays here with the dcks while I attend ceremonies like this. Well this time we decided it was time that grandma not have to miss out so we are both going and have decided to take the dcks with us. We are walking since our car is not big enough to hold everyone properly. I used to own a van and we used to take the kids on field trips to the library, park, and zoo but the van died over a year ago. This is the first time we have taken a group out for something that was for us and not for the dcks. Have any of you done personal outings like this?
CraftyMom 07:35 PM 06-21-2014
Originally Posted by TickleMonster:
My own kids attend what is considered a year round school so while most are on summer break, they are still in school. Their school is having an awards ceremony next week and usually my mother stays here with the dcks while I attend ceremonies like this. Well this time we decided it was time that grandma not have to miss out so we are both going and have decided to take the dcks with us. We are walking since our car is not big enough to hold everyone properly. I used to own a van and we used to take the kids on field trips to the library, park, and zoo but the van died over a year ago. This is the first time we have taken a group out for something that was for us and not for the dcks. Have any of you done personal outings like this?
I brought my dcks to my daughter's field day for about an hour last week. They loved it! They were well behaved and loved seeing all the kids. This was outdoors though, so I didn't have to worry about them being noisy.My own kids attend what is considered a year round school so while most are on summer break, they are still in school. Their school is having an awards ceremony next week and usually my mother stays here with the dcks while I attend ceremonies like this. Well this time we decided it was time that grandma not have to miss out so we are both going and have decided to take the dcks with us. We are walking since our car is not big enough to hold everyone properly. I used to own a van and we used to take the kids on field trips to the library, park, and zoo but the van died over a year ago. This is the first time we have taken a group out for something that was for us and not for the dcks. Have any of you done personal outings like this?
Butter Biskets 07:52 PM 06-21-2014
I recently brought one of my dc kids to my son's mini grad ceremony. I told the mom what the plan was and she was okay with it. I think as long as the parents don't have to miss time off work, they are okay with any non-daycare outings.
Is it bedtime yet? 08:59 PM 06-21-2014
I have done it 4-5 times just this school year alone. The kids love it, the parent think it is a fun outing and it is great free advertising. It's hard for people not to notice that I have 4 toddlers with me 
EntropyControlSpecialist 08:59 PM 06-21-2014
A local friend, who is also on this board but inactive these days, took 3 dcks to her son's kinder graduation this year. They loved it! I don't take my large group anywhere. 
sugar buzz 05:27 AM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by KellyinCalgary:
I recently brought one of my dc kids to my son's mini grad ceremony. I told the mom what the plan was and she was okay with it. I think as long as the parents don't have to miss time off work, they are okay with any non-daycare outings.
This is so true! I've done this for several years, now, and when I explain that I'm taking their child with me instead of closing, they're all relieved smiles. I've taken them to my kids' dentist appointments (scheduled on any upcoming low number days), last day of school awards ceremonies (we sometimes leave after my child's part is done), school concerts and presentations, etc. I love getting to teach them how to behave in public, and I always bring a packed bag of snacks, books, and quiet toys for a quick distraction. It makes you so proud to see your group behaving, while all the disruptions are coming from toddlers with their moms. DH and I even took them to get passports when we went to Canada. (The passport office was only open in the middle of the day.) The agent was so visibly relieved when I told him that only four of us needed passports.I recently brought one of my dc kids to my son's mini grad ceremony. I told the mom what the plan was and she was okay with it. I think as long as the parents don't have to miss time off work, they are okay with any non-daycare outings.
Second Home 05:56 AM 06-22-2014
I did it last week , my dd had her senior pictures . We packed up a bunch of quiet toys and spent an hour in the school auditorium , all but 1 of the dck's were great .
I do give parents the option of their child coming or they can keep their child home that day .
I do give parents the option of their child coming or they can keep their child home that day .
SquirrellyMama 06:37 AM 06-22-2014
Yes, they have come to dentist, doctor and ceremonies.
Kelly
Kelly
Blackcat31 07:18 AM 06-22-2014
I am odd man out.
I would never bring my DCK's to something personal.
As a parent, I would not want my daycare provider to bring my children places not DIRECTLY related to their care.
FWIW~ I am NOT saying it is wrong.
I am only saying it's not something I would ever do and not something I would ever be ok with my provider doing.
I would never bring my DCK's to something personal.
As a parent, I would not want my daycare provider to bring my children places not DIRECTLY related to their care.
FWIW~ I am NOT saying it is wrong.
I am only saying it's not something I would ever do and not something I would ever be ok with my provider doing.
Michelle 07:23 AM 06-22-2014
My dh walked 4 of my dck's to my daughters school and ate lunch with her
She loved it and all the kids loved it.
It was funny because my dd's friends asked her if they were her brothers and sisters. ( very mixed race group)
BC.
I was curious as to why you feel this way?
I can understand not taking them to a personal Dr appt. or a glass store or something but why not a " big kid" school that they will be going to themselves soon?
She loved it and all the kids loved it.
It was funny because my dd's friends asked her if they were her brothers and sisters. ( very mixed race group)
BC.
I was curious as to why you feel this way?
I can understand not taking them to a personal Dr appt. or a glass store or something but why not a " big kid" school that they will be going to themselves soon?
Blackcat31 07:37 AM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by Michelle:
BC.
I was curious as to why you feel this way?
I can understand not taking them to a personal Dr appt. or a glass store or something but why not a " big kid" school that they will be going to themselves soon?
First, I was never a parent that was comfortable with my provider taking my children anywhere so I chose a provider that did not transport kids.BC.
I was curious as to why you feel this way?
I can understand not taking them to a personal Dr appt. or a glass store or something but why not a " big kid" school that they will be going to themselves soon?
I dont think there is anything wrong with a planned field trip somewhere IF the purpose of that trip is part of the curriculum. i.e. going to the grocery store to learn about the whole process of shipping and purchasing foods etc.. or going to the fire dept to learn about what happens there.
Taking a group of children under age 5 to a "big kid" school is only applicable to the kids who will be entering "big kid" school the next year and really has nothing to do with the other kids...yet.
If learning about the "big kid" school was the primary focus for the trip, I would tour the school, meet the teachers etc...and there is no guarantee that all the DCK's will go to that school. We have 7 elementary schools and the children in my care don't all go to the same school so touring the one nearest to me wouldn't necessarily work.
I also feel as a parent, I am paying for services for MY child. I am not paying for the provider to do personal things.
If I worked in a bank, my employer would NOT be ok if I went to my child's graduation on the bank's time.
Even if I brought my laptop and tried to work from the audience.
I think things like this are the divide between this profession being viewed as professional and not being taken seriously by many.
I can't think of many other professions that allow for something personal to be completed while on someone else's clock or paid time...kwim?
Like I said above, I am NOT saying it's wrong.
I am only saying I view it differently and would NOT be okay with my provider doing anything personal outside the home....and some things within the home would not fly with me either but that's an entirely different topic.
Cradle2crayons 08:01 AM 06-22-2014
I take the dc kids to personal things sometimes. I explain this at interview.
I don't think every single place you take them needs to be official and educational.
I fill out a field trip form just like if we were going to the museum with all of the information. I've never had a parent have a problem with it.
The only place I don't generally take dc kids are dr appointments. That's way too boring for any kid haha. I schedule those around when my husband is home from out of state.
I don't think every single place you take them needs to be official and educational.
I fill out a field trip form just like if we were going to the museum with all of the information. I've never had a parent have a problem with it.
The only place I don't generally take dc kids are dr appointments. That's way too boring for any kid haha. I schedule those around when my husband is home from out of state.
midaycare 08:14 AM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
First, I was never a parent that was comfortable with my provider taking my children anywhere so I chose a provider that did not transport kids.
I dont think there is anything wrong with a planned field trip somewhere IF the purpose of that trip is part of the curriculum. i.e. going to the grocery store to learn about the whole process of shipping and purchasing foods etc.. or going to the fire dept to learn about what happens there.
Taking a group of children under age 5 to a "big kid" school is only applicable to the kids who will be entering "big kid" school the next year and really has nothing to do with the other kids...yet.
If learning about the "big kid" school was the primary focus for the trip, I would tour the school, meet the teachers etc...and there is no guarantee that all the DCK's will go to that school. We have 7 elementary schools and the children in my care don't all go to the same school so touring the one nearest to me wouldn't necessarily work.
I also feel as a parent, I am paying for services for MY child. I am not paying for the provider to do personal things.
If I worked in a bank, my employer would NOT be ok if I went to my child's graduation on the bank's time.
Even if I brought my laptop and tried to work from the audience.
I think things like this are the divide between this profession being viewed as professional and not being taken seriously by many.
I can't think of many other professions that allow for something personal to be completed while on someone else's clock or paid time...kwim?
Like I said above, I am NOT saying it's wrong.
I am only saying I view it differently and would NOT be okay with my provider doing anything personal outside the home....and some things within the home would not fly with me either but that's an entirely different topic.
This is me to a "t". Instead of field trips, I have people visit us (firemen, police officers, etc.) I never liked my ds going in a car with someone else, and I don't want to be responsible as a driver for so many kids. Yikes! I'm a good driver, but what about other ones on the road?First, I was never a parent that was comfortable with my provider taking my children anywhere so I chose a provider that did not transport kids.
I dont think there is anything wrong with a planned field trip somewhere IF the purpose of that trip is part of the curriculum. i.e. going to the grocery store to learn about the whole process of shipping and purchasing foods etc.. or going to the fire dept to learn about what happens there.
Taking a group of children under age 5 to a "big kid" school is only applicable to the kids who will be entering "big kid" school the next year and really has nothing to do with the other kids...yet.
If learning about the "big kid" school was the primary focus for the trip, I would tour the school, meet the teachers etc...and there is no guarantee that all the DCK's will go to that school. We have 7 elementary schools and the children in my care don't all go to the same school so touring the one nearest to me wouldn't necessarily work.
I also feel as a parent, I am paying for services for MY child. I am not paying for the provider to do personal things.
If I worked in a bank, my employer would NOT be ok if I went to my child's graduation on the bank's time.
Even if I brought my laptop and tried to work from the audience.
I think things like this are the divide between this profession being viewed as professional and not being taken seriously by many.
I can't think of many other professions that allow for something personal to be completed while on someone else's clock or paid time...kwim?
Like I said above, I am NOT saying it's wrong.
I am only saying I view it differently and would NOT be okay with my provider doing anything personal outside the home....and some things within the home would not fly with me either but that's an entirely different topic.
I also agree that this is one reason why people may not take daycare seriously.
But there are people who don't mind if you take their child out to different functions, so I don't see a problem with it.
TickleMonster 09:26 AM 06-22-2014
None of our parents have a problem with it. They all had the same relieved look that we would be happy to take their kids with us instead of closing for the ceremony. In fact one of our parents has older kids that goes to the school and so she will be dropping her dcg off with us in the gym after the ceremony which made her happy. Keep in mind, we are not driving to this event, we are all walking with 2 strollers because it is just up the street. Glad to know that there are others who have done this same kind of thing.
TwinKristi 09:46 AM 06-22-2014
My son was really sick for the whole school year the year before last and our dr has the same hours as I do. If I closed every time we went to the dr we would have had to close down. I didn't mind taking them with me and their moms didn't mind so they went to the dr with us often that year. Sometimes my dh had an inspection on a job that he couldn't cancel and I didn't know DS was that sick until everywhere was here since they arrived early, 7-7:15am and my kids weren't up yet. I didn't have a big crew then so it wasn't a big deal, I wasn't dragging 8 kids with me. It was 4 max with my own 2 kids included.
I don't think there's anything unprofessional about it really. I have a family and life too. I think BCs situation is much different as she doesn't operate in her own home with her own children like many (or the majority I would guess) of us do. It's actually illegal in my state to do so as a "home daycare." It would be considered a daycare center and have much different standards and require employees and such which would make these personal issues a lot easier to manage.
I think it would be unprofessional to have to close 10x a year. I have had numerous interviews with parents trying to find a new provider because theirs is closing so often and for different reasons. One DCM said that she was closing at least once a month, some months 3-4 times. Either her kids are sick or the provider was sick or something. THAT is unprofessional. I get that kids get sick but honestly unless mine are so sick they need to be hospitalized or are vomiting I can keep them in their room/bed and check on them as lneeded. That was one of the perks of having a home based business!
Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the kids to a nearby school event. Our school is a 7 minute walk away and would do it if I felt 4-5 toddlers wouldn't disrupt what we were going to. I closed for my son's promotion ceremony earlier this month for the first time!! It was awesome! I felt great about it since I gave parents ample notice. Now I have a sub I can use for doctor/dentist appts and don't have to take kids with me or have dh take off work anymore. I pay her $10/hr so $20 usually covers the appt and it's totally worth it! I even took my son a couple places since we finished early last time. He was so happy!
I don't think there's anything unprofessional about it really. I have a family and life too. I think BCs situation is much different as she doesn't operate in her own home with her own children like many (or the majority I would guess) of us do. It's actually illegal in my state to do so as a "home daycare." It would be considered a daycare center and have much different standards and require employees and such which would make these personal issues a lot easier to manage.
I think it would be unprofessional to have to close 10x a year. I have had numerous interviews with parents trying to find a new provider because theirs is closing so often and for different reasons. One DCM said that she was closing at least once a month, some months 3-4 times. Either her kids are sick or the provider was sick or something. THAT is unprofessional. I get that kids get sick but honestly unless mine are so sick they need to be hospitalized or are vomiting I can keep them in their room/bed and check on them as lneeded. That was one of the perks of having a home based business!
Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the kids to a nearby school event. Our school is a 7 minute walk away and would do it if I felt 4-5 toddlers wouldn't disrupt what we were going to. I closed for my son's promotion ceremony earlier this month for the first time!! It was awesome! I felt great about it since I gave parents ample notice. Now I have a sub I can use for doctor/dentist appts and don't have to take kids with me or have dh take off work anymore. I pay her $10/hr so $20 usually covers the appt and it's totally worth it! I even took my son a couple places since we finished early last time. He was so happy!
midaycare 09:59 AM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the kids to a nearby school event. Our school is a 7 minute walk away and would do it if I felt 4-5 toddlers wouldn't disrupt what we were going to. I closed for my son's promotion ceremony earlier this month for the first time!! It was awesome! I felt great about it since I gave parents ample notice. Now I have a sub I can use for doctor/dentist appts and don't have to take kids with me or have dh take off work anymore. I pay her $10/hr so $20 usually covers the appt and it's totally worth it! I even took my son a couple places since we finished early last time. He was so happy!
I use a sub so I don't have to close and don't have to take the dc kids with me. It works great and I am much more relaxed than having to take so many kids out! I don't think there's anything wrong with it either. I just prefer to keep the dc kids in the dc and use a sub.Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the kids to a nearby school event. Our school is a 7 minute walk away and would do it if I felt 4-5 toddlers wouldn't disrupt what we were going to. I closed for my son's promotion ceremony earlier this month for the first time!! It was awesome! I felt great about it since I gave parents ample notice. Now I have a sub I can use for doctor/dentist appts and don't have to take kids with me or have dh take off work anymore. I pay her $10/hr so $20 usually covers the appt and it's totally worth it! I even took my son a couple places since we finished early last time. He was so happy!
TwinKristi 10:02 AM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by midaycare:
I use a sub so I don't have to close and don't have to take the dc kids with me. It works great and I am much more relaxed than having to take so many kids out! I don't think there's anything wrong with it either. I just prefer to keep the dc kids in the dc and use a sub.
Yeah it's taken me 18mos to find a suitable sub though and it's wouldn't have been cost effective back when I only had 2 kids. Subs aren't easy to find here.I use a sub so I don't have to close and don't have to take the dc kids with me. It works great and I am much more relaxed than having to take so many kids out! I don't think there's anything wrong with it either. I just prefer to keep the dc kids in the dc and use a sub.
midaycare 10:25 AM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
Yeah it's taken me 18mos to find a suitable sub though and it's wouldn't have been cost effective back when I only had 2 kids. Subs aren't easy to find here.
Here either. I'm just really lucky things fell into place. For now, anyway. You know how dc works - one month it's great, the next who knows?Yeah it's taken me 18mos to find a suitable sub though and it's wouldn't have been cost effective back when I only had 2 kids. Subs aren't easy to find here.
Sunchimes 12:02 PM 06-22-2014
I tell parents at the start that I run my dc like it was my grandkids. No one has ever objected. In fact, I was recently talking to a mom about something we were going to do the next day, like going to the bank or the courthouse or something. She said that they had always liked the fact that I took the kids places that weren't "field trips." Without me, the kids wouldn't know how to behave in community places like the courthouse or the library or the bank.
I've taken my kids on all of my normal errands. When my step-dad died, I felt an obligation to go see my sister (she was close to him, I wasn't) who lives about 80 miles away. I only had one child that day, so I loaded her in the car and we went to see my sister for a couple of hours. I would have taken her to the funeral if her mom needed me to, just like I would have taken a grandchild. They've been to family Easter parties, family reunions, cemetery work days, and visits to my husband's client's offices. He has a very informal business, and the people just took the kids in like their own. I have a family reunion coming up on the 4th and they have already asked me how many kids I'm bringing. For a few years, our extended family was in a childless gap. The grandkids were pre-teens or teens, and there were no small children. My dcks filled that gap. Now, we have 1 small child and the family wants me to bring a dck to play with him. I'm off that day, but I'm thinking of borrowing a couple to take with me. Parades are so much more fun with a kid.
My style wouldn't work for most providers, but I've built in enough flexibility that it works well for us.
I've taken my kids on all of my normal errands. When my step-dad died, I felt an obligation to go see my sister (she was close to him, I wasn't) who lives about 80 miles away. I only had one child that day, so I loaded her in the car and we went to see my sister for a couple of hours. I would have taken her to the funeral if her mom needed me to, just like I would have taken a grandchild. They've been to family Easter parties, family reunions, cemetery work days, and visits to my husband's client's offices. He has a very informal business, and the people just took the kids in like their own. I have a family reunion coming up on the 4th and they have already asked me how many kids I'm bringing. For a few years, our extended family was in a childless gap. The grandkids were pre-teens or teens, and there were no small children. My dcks filled that gap. Now, we have 1 small child and the family wants me to bring a dck to play with him. I'm off that day, but I'm thinking of borrowing a couple to take with me. Parades are so much more fun with a kid.
My style wouldn't work for most providers, but I've built in enough flexibility that it works well for us.
sahm1225 12:59 PM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by Sunchimes:
I tell parents at the start that I run my dc like it was my grandkids. No one has ever objected. In fact, I was recently talking to a mom about something we were going to do the next day, like going to the bank or the courthouse or something. She said that they had always liked the fact that I took the kids places that weren't "field trips." Without me, the kids wouldn't know how to behave in community places like the courthouse or the library or the bank.
I've taken my kids on all of my normal errands. When my step-dad died, I felt an obligation to go see my sister (she was close to him, I wasn't) who lives about 80 miles away. I only had one child that day, so I loaded her in the car and we went to see my sister for a couple of hours. I would have taken her to the funeral if her mom needed me to, just like I would have taken a grandchild. They've been to family Easter parties, family reunions, cemetery work days, and visits to my husband's client's offices. He has a very informal business, and the people just took the kids in like their own. I have a family reunion coming up on the 4th and they have already asked me how many kids I'm bringing. For a few years, our extended family was in a childless gap. The grandkids were pre-teens or teens, and there were no small children. My dcks filled that gap. Now, we have 1 small child and the family wants me to bring a dck to play with him. I'm off that day, but I'm thinking of borrowing a couple to take with me. Parades are so much more fun with a kid.
My style wouldn't work for most providers, but I've built in enough flexibility that it works well for us.
When I had my son in daycare, what you said above is exactly what I was looking for! My cousin ended up watching him because the home daycare we had him in decided that she was going to run an only school-year program. Worked great for her, but totally left me in a bind. My cousin wasn't working at the time and offered to be our 'in-between' until we found daycare. She watched him for a year until I got laid off and started my own daycare. I tell parents at the start that I run my dc like it was my grandkids. No one has ever objected. In fact, I was recently talking to a mom about something we were going to do the next day, like going to the bank or the courthouse or something. She said that they had always liked the fact that I took the kids places that weren't "field trips." Without me, the kids wouldn't know how to behave in community places like the courthouse or the library or the bank.
I've taken my kids on all of my normal errands. When my step-dad died, I felt an obligation to go see my sister (she was close to him, I wasn't) who lives about 80 miles away. I only had one child that day, so I loaded her in the car and we went to see my sister for a couple of hours. I would have taken her to the funeral if her mom needed me to, just like I would have taken a grandchild. They've been to family Easter parties, family reunions, cemetery work days, and visits to my husband's client's offices. He has a very informal business, and the people just took the kids in like their own. I have a family reunion coming up on the 4th and they have already asked me how many kids I'm bringing. For a few years, our extended family was in a childless gap. The grandkids were pre-teens or teens, and there were no small children. My dcks filled that gap. Now, we have 1 small child and the family wants me to bring a dck to play with him. I'm off that day, but I'm thinking of borrowing a couple to take with me. Parades are so much more fun with a kid.
My style wouldn't work for most providers, but I've built in enough flexibility that it works well for us.
For me personally - I loved that my son was helping her with walking her dogs and going grocery shopping. She took him to the nursing home to visit her mom once a week and my son loved the experience.
That being said - I DON't run my daycare that way. I feel that my kids have to share me with their 'friends' during daycare hours and if they have a special event, it should be just about them. kwim? I have taken the daycare kids with me to a family fun day event at our local school (this is a school that most of the kids will go to) and although it was fun, it was even more fun this year when I just took MY kids with me. I have taken the kids grocery shopping (everything here is walking distance) and they had a great time, but if it was something personal I would get a sub.
Sunchimes 01:11 PM 06-22-2014
If I had kids at home I would probably have a different attitude. My youngest is 44, and none of my grandkids live around here. I've always had a tendency to "adopt" kids into the family. I have "adopted" kids everywhere. My decks are just a paying extension of that. 
Shell 01:34 PM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
First, I was never a parent that was comfortable with my provider taking my children anywhere so I chose a provider that did not transport kids.
I dont think there is anything wrong with a planned field trip somewhere IF the purpose of that trip is part of the curriculum. i.e. going to the grocery store to learn about the whole process of shipping and purchasing foods etc.. or going to the fire dept to learn about what happens there.
Taking a group of children under age 5 to a "big kid" school is only applicable to the kids who will be entering "big kid" school the next year and really has nothing to do with the other kids...yet.
If learning about the "big kid" school was the primary focus for the trip, I would tour the school, meet the teachers etc...and there is no guarantee that all the DCK's will go to that school. We have 7 elementary schools and the children in my care don't all go to the same school so touring the one nearest to me wouldn't necessarily work.
I also feel as a parent, I am paying for services for MY child. I am not paying for the provider to do personal things.
If I worked in a bank, my employer would NOT be ok if I went to my child's graduation on the bank's time.
Even if I brought my laptop and tried to work from the audience.
I think things like this are the divide between this profession being viewed as professional and not being taken seriously by many.
I can't think of many other professions that allow for something personal to be completed while on someone else's clock or paid time...kwim?
Like I said above, I am NOT saying it's wrong.
I am only saying I view it differently and would NOT be okay with my provider doing anything personal outside the home....and some things within the home would not fly with me either but that's an entirely different topic.
First, I was never a parent that was comfortable with my provider taking my children anywhere so I chose a provider that did not transport kids.
I dont think there is anything wrong with a planned field trip somewhere IF the purpose of that trip is part of the curriculum. i.e. going to the grocery store to learn about the whole process of shipping and purchasing foods etc.. or going to the fire dept to learn about what happens there.
Taking a group of children under age 5 to a "big kid" school is only applicable to the kids who will be entering "big kid" school the next year and really has nothing to do with the other kids...yet.
If learning about the "big kid" school was the primary focus for the trip, I would tour the school, meet the teachers etc...and there is no guarantee that all the DCK's will go to that school. We have 7 elementary schools and the children in my care don't all go to the same school so touring the one nearest to me wouldn't necessarily work.
I also feel as a parent, I am paying for services for MY child. I am not paying for the provider to do personal things.
If I worked in a bank, my employer would NOT be ok if I went to my child's graduation on the bank's time.
Even if I brought my laptop and tried to work from the audience.
I think things like this are the divide between this profession being viewed as professional and not being taken seriously by many.
I can't think of many other professions that allow for something personal to be completed while on someone else's clock or paid time...kwim?
Like I said above, I am NOT saying it's wrong.
I am only saying I view it differently and would NOT be okay with my provider doing anything personal outside the home....and some things within the home would not fly with me either but that's an entirely different topic.
I feel the same way.
permanentvacation 02:14 PM 06-22-2014
I used to take my daycare kids to all sorts of my personal kids' events/activities. I did make sure to have that in my speech during my interview, so the parents knew that I took them to things that were technically my personal family's activities. Everyone was alright with it. Many times, parents had to pick their child up from my daughter's school or wherever we would be for her event.
My daycare kids have gone to parent/teacher meetings, my personal children's soccer games and an occasional practice, la cross games and an occasional practice, track practices and an occasional track meet (the meets were usually too far away so we watched more practices), karate lessons, years ago, my daycare kids went along to some of our doctor appointments!
When my kids were young, of course we would go to every game and practice, but as they got older, I didn't go to every event, but I still take my daycare kids to a good handful of games/practices/teacher meetings each year.
The kids loved watching and rooting for my kids at their games/practices. The parents knew that their kids would enjoy watching my kids play and would be excited to cheer them on. They knew I would keep them safe and that they would be outside enjoying the day. If I had a parent that needed to pick up while we would be at my kids' event, they were just fine with picking their child up from me wherever we were.
My 15 passenger van eventually also died on me, so now I have to wait until I'm down to just my last 3 kids so they can fit into my truck or hire my assistant to watch the kids at home so I can go to my daughter's games. My oldest daughter started activities when she was 3 years old, so I have been taking my daycare kids to my personal kids' activities for about 20 years now.
I would though, make sure that their parents know that you are going to take their children on outings like that. Have it in your contract with them giving you permission to take their children on outings with or without their knowledge of that particular outing (in case you forget to mention an outing ahead of time or in case something comes up unexpectedly). Have it in your contract that your parents give you permission to transport their children in your vehicle and/or walk to these outings.
My daycare kids have gone to parent/teacher meetings, my personal children's soccer games and an occasional practice, la cross games and an occasional practice, track practices and an occasional track meet (the meets were usually too far away so we watched more practices), karate lessons, years ago, my daycare kids went along to some of our doctor appointments!
When my kids were young, of course we would go to every game and practice, but as they got older, I didn't go to every event, but I still take my daycare kids to a good handful of games/practices/teacher meetings each year.
The kids loved watching and rooting for my kids at their games/practices. The parents knew that their kids would enjoy watching my kids play and would be excited to cheer them on. They knew I would keep them safe and that they would be outside enjoying the day. If I had a parent that needed to pick up while we would be at my kids' event, they were just fine with picking their child up from me wherever we were.
My 15 passenger van eventually also died on me, so now I have to wait until I'm down to just my last 3 kids so they can fit into my truck or hire my assistant to watch the kids at home so I can go to my daughter's games. My oldest daughter started activities when she was 3 years old, so I have been taking my daycare kids to my personal kids' activities for about 20 years now.
I would though, make sure that their parents know that you are going to take their children on outings like that. Have it in your contract with them giving you permission to take their children on outings with or without their knowledge of that particular outing (in case you forget to mention an outing ahead of time or in case something comes up unexpectedly). Have it in your contract that your parents give you permission to transport their children in your vehicle and/or walk to these outings.
bananas 02:35 PM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by Sunchimes:
I tell parents at the start that I run my dc like it was my grandkids. No one has ever objected. In fact, I was recently talking to a mom about something we were going to do the next day, like going to the bank or the courthouse or something. She said that they had always liked the fact that I took the kids places that weren't "field trips." Without me, the kids wouldn't know how to behave in community places like the courthouse or the library or the bank.
I've taken my kids on all of my normal errands. When my step-dad died, I felt an obligation to go see my sister (she was close to him, I wasn't) who lives about 80 miles away. I only had one child that day, so I loaded her in the car and we went to see my sister for a couple of hours. I would have taken her to the funeral if her mom needed me to, just like I would have taken a grandchild. They've been to family Easter parties, family reunions, cemetery work days, and visits to my husband's client's offices. He has a very informal business, and the people just took the kids in like their own. I have a family reunion coming up on the 4th and they have already asked me how many kids I'm bringing. For a few years, our extended family was in a childless gap. The grandkids were pre-teens or teens, and there were no small children. My dcks filled that gap. Now, we have 1 small child and the family wants me to bring a dck to play with him. I'm off that day, but I'm thinking of borrowing a couple to take with me. Parades are so much more fun with a kid.
My style wouldn't work for most providers, but I've built in enough flexibility that it works well for us.
I am the same - I treat the kids like they're my own! I take them to do things that I would take my own daughter to do - hikes, beach, library, park, post office, you name it (err...not grocery shopping though haha!) I like to consider myself more of a shared nanny than a daycare provider though. I only have my daughter plus 3 others. We go on outings almost every day.I tell parents at the start that I run my dc like it was my grandkids. No one has ever objected. In fact, I was recently talking to a mom about something we were going to do the next day, like going to the bank or the courthouse or something. She said that they had always liked the fact that I took the kids places that weren't "field trips." Without me, the kids wouldn't know how to behave in community places like the courthouse or the library or the bank.
I've taken my kids on all of my normal errands. When my step-dad died, I felt an obligation to go see my sister (she was close to him, I wasn't) who lives about 80 miles away. I only had one child that day, so I loaded her in the car and we went to see my sister for a couple of hours. I would have taken her to the funeral if her mom needed me to, just like I would have taken a grandchild. They've been to family Easter parties, family reunions, cemetery work days, and visits to my husband's client's offices. He has a very informal business, and the people just took the kids in like their own. I have a family reunion coming up on the 4th and they have already asked me how many kids I'm bringing. For a few years, our extended family was in a childless gap. The grandkids were pre-teens or teens, and there were no small children. My dcks filled that gap. Now, we have 1 small child and the family wants me to bring a dck to play with him. I'm off that day, but I'm thinking of borrowing a couple to take with me. Parades are so much more fun with a kid.
My style wouldn't work for most providers, but I've built in enough flexibility that it works well for us.
kathiemarie 02:35 PM 06-22-2014
If it's anything to do with my kids I will take them. I tell the families during the interview that this is part of my program. We have been to Christmas programs, spring sings, basketball games, soccer practice etc. ( I have had parents pick up from the field or court before.) At the games the kids make banners and clap for my kids (while they are in my care my kids are like big sibling to the DCkids.) We have fun.
I don't think I would take the kids to my dentist or doctors appointments... I think that might be pushing it a bit.
I don't think I would take the kids to my dentist or doctors appointments... I think that might be pushing it a bit.
Blackcat31 04:42 PM 06-22-2014
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
I don't think there's anything unprofessional about it really. I have a family and life too. I think BCs situation is much different as she doesn't operate in her own home with her own children like many (or the majority I would guess) of us do.
My feelings have nothing to do with where I run my child care. I don't think there's anything unprofessional about it really. I have a family and life too. I think BCs situation is much different as she doesn't operate in her own home with her own children like many (or the majority I would guess) of us do.
I also had my own children in my care the entire time from age 3 and 5 until the time they graduated and moved away so that has nothing to do with it either.
I have a family and a life too but they don't mix with my business.....NOT because I have a separate space but because I don't think it's professional of me to do.
If I had/have a family obligation, I close or get a sub.
This includes school related things my kids were in. If I could, I got a sub and went. If I couldn't get a sub my DH went and if that couldn't happen, I didn't go.
Yes, I missed my fair share of my kids' school functions but such is life. I went to the ones I could and missed the ones I couldn't.
SAME thing would happen if I had any other job.
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
It's actually illegal in my state to do so as a "home daycare." It would be considered a daycare center and have much different standards and require employees and such which would make these personal issues a lot easier to manage.
I am licensed as a "home daycare". It's actually illegal in my state to do so as a "home daycare." It would be considered a daycare center and have much different standards and require employees and such which would make these personal issues a lot easier to manage.
I follow the same guidelines and regulations as any other "home daycare" in my state.
There are several states that allow "home daycare" in a house the provider doesn't live in.
A separate location is an advantage ONLY when it comes to parents in my personal space or where I physically spend my off hours, closed days and vacation time.
Nothing else I do is any different.
I don't advertise or claim to be a center. I don't follow any of their rules and regulations.
Thankfully, as centers here take SA'ers and I could never do that again.
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
I think it would be unprofessional to have to close 10x a year. I have had numerous interviews with parents trying to find a new provider because theirs is closing so often and for different reasons. One DCM said that she was closing at least once a month, some months 3-4 times. Either her kids are sick or the provider was sick or something. THAT is unprofessional. I get that kids get sick but honestly unless mine are so sick they need to be hospitalized or are vomiting I can keep them in their room/bed and check on them as lneeded. That was one of the perks of having a home based business!
Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the kids to a nearby school event.!
Like I said in my first post and my second post: I am NOT saying it's wrong. I think it would be unprofessional to have to close 10x a year. I have had numerous interviews with parents trying to find a new provider because theirs is closing so often and for different reasons. One DCM said that she was closing at least once a month, some months 3-4 times. Either her kids are sick or the provider was sick or something. THAT is unprofessional. I get that kids get sick but honestly unless mine are so sick they need to be hospitalized or are vomiting I can keep them in their room/bed and check on them as lneeded. That was one of the perks of having a home based business!
Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking the kids to a nearby school event.!
I said I believe it is unprofessional. I still do.
Everyone has a different definition of professionalism. That's ok.
My clients feel the same as I do and THAT is really all that matters.
sahm1225 actually had a good example...as a PARENT she was looking for that type of service but as a business owner, she doesn't operate that way.
As long as your clients/parents are ok with it, great!
As a parent, I would choose another daycare but just like sahm1225 there are parents out there that DO want that so win win for everyone.
Annalee 04:50 PM 06-22-2014
I am a licensed home child care as well and licensing rules/regs would prevent me from transporting my kids anywhere, period! Through the years, I have been able to attend some events, missed some, too. I try to find a medium in the deal and it somehow works......
sharlan 05:11 PM 06-22-2014
EVERYONE has to run their daycare the how THEY feel comfortable, within their laws. BC isn't comfortable taking kids out and doesn't feel that it's proessional. That is her right, she's not condemning those who do.
I have always taken the daycare kids with me everywhere I've gone. From day one, I've treated the daycare kids like my own. Over the years, I've taken kids to events at my kids' schools, their performances, sports. In fact, on Thursday, I will be taking all of my kids to my grandsons' Mandarin performance.
I've taken dcks to dr's appts for myself, my kids, and my grandkids. I've even taken dcks to their own dr's appts. I've taken dcks to the hospital and had their parents meet me there.
I've even taken dcks tent camping up in the mountains without their parents. I've taken several on family vacations.
So far this summer, we've been to Raging Waters 3 times, the beach, and the park twice.
One of the first thing I tell perspective parents is that we frequently go on outings. If they are not comfortable with that, then I am not the right provider for them.
I have always taken the daycare kids with me everywhere I've gone. From day one, I've treated the daycare kids like my own. Over the years, I've taken kids to events at my kids' schools, their performances, sports. In fact, on Thursday, I will be taking all of my kids to my grandsons' Mandarin performance.
I've taken dcks to dr's appts for myself, my kids, and my grandkids. I've even taken dcks to their own dr's appts. I've taken dcks to the hospital and had their parents meet me there.
I've even taken dcks tent camping up in the mountains without their parents. I've taken several on family vacations.
So far this summer, we've been to Raging Waters 3 times, the beach, and the park twice.
One of the first thing I tell perspective parents is that we frequently go on outings. If they are not comfortable with that, then I am not the right provider for them.
Leanna 05:21 PM 06-22-2014
I don't transport DCK's. If we can't get there on foot we don't go. Our outings include local playgrounds, the library for storytime, etc.
I do, however, live across the street from an elementary school and a few blocks from a local preschool. I've taken DCK's to other DCK's performances, graduations, etc. They love seeing their big friends at their "big" schools!
I do, however, live across the street from an elementary school and a few blocks from a local preschool. I've taken DCK's to other DCK's performances, graduations, etc. They love seeing their big friends at their "big" schools!
Angelsj 06:26 AM 06-23-2014
I have had different seasons where I took kids with me to many things, personal or not. We have done grocery shopping, attended things for the older kids, whatever. Right now, I don't transport at all, so no.
I don't find it unprofessional (sorry BC) but I also don't really look at this as a profession either, so maybe that makes a difference. I have just always had a more laid back style of care, where kids come and go at all hours, and parents who wanted that laid back style, so it has worked out well. When you care for kids 24/7, you end up taking them all over the place. (I no longer do that 24/7 care either.)
Please don't flame me on the "profession" comment. I KNOW most of you feel it is your profession, and that is awesome. I just never felt that way. I often say I have been doing this for 30 some years, because I am 48. In reality, I have been watching other people's children (for money or trade) since I was 8 years old. Perhaps that is why I don't feel like it is a 'chosen profession' so much as just how life is.
I don't find it unprofessional (sorry BC) but I also don't really look at this as a profession either, so maybe that makes a difference. I have just always had a more laid back style of care, where kids come and go at all hours, and parents who wanted that laid back style, so it has worked out well. When you care for kids 24/7, you end up taking them all over the place. (I no longer do that 24/7 care either.)
Please don't flame me on the "profession" comment. I KNOW most of you feel it is your profession, and that is awesome. I just never felt that way. I often say I have been doing this for 30 some years, because I am 48. In reality, I have been watching other people's children (for money or trade) since I was 8 years old. Perhaps that is why I don't feel like it is a 'chosen profession' so much as just how life is.
hope 06:56 AM 06-23-2014
I have hired two subs so that I can go to doctors appointments and attend school functions. During the winter I have them come twice a day so that I can take Dd to and from school without having to put all the dcks in my car.
I do have a car that seats 8 and I either walk with all the kids to bring Dd to school when weather is nice or they pile up in the car during warmer months. I pay the subs $15 so it does become very expensive to use them so I use only when necessary or after I have saved up for a special day with my own children.
Today Dd is having an event at school that families are invited to. The class is singing some songs and it will last 20 minutes. I only have 2 kids today so I asked the parents if I can bring along. I only asked because the two kids will really enjoy it so I would hate to have them stay home and miss out. If the parents said no I would hire a sub for the hour.
I think finding a good sub is difficult and most of us work this job bc we want to put our family first. I feel sad for those who are tied down to the daycare bc of parents or circumstances.
I do have a car that seats 8 and I either walk with all the kids to bring Dd to school when weather is nice or they pile up in the car during warmer months. I pay the subs $15 so it does become very expensive to use them so I use only when necessary or after I have saved up for a special day with my own children.
Today Dd is having an event at school that families are invited to. The class is singing some songs and it will last 20 minutes. I only have 2 kids today so I asked the parents if I can bring along. I only asked because the two kids will really enjoy it so I would hate to have them stay home and miss out. If the parents said no I would hire a sub for the hour.
I think finding a good sub is difficult and most of us work this job bc we want to put our family first. I feel sad for those who are tied down to the daycare bc of parents or circumstances.
DaisyMamma 08:42 AM 06-23-2014
Originally Posted by TickleMonster:
My own kids attend what is considered a year round school so while most are on summer break, they are still in school. Their school is having an awards ceremony next week and usually my mother stays here with the dcks while I attend ceremonies like this. Well this time we decided it was time that grandma not have to miss out so we are both going and have decided to take the dcks with us. We are walking since our car is not big enough to hold everyone properly. I used to own a van and we used to take the kids on field trips to the library, park, and zoo but the van died over a year ago. This is the first time we have taken a group out for something that was for us and not for the dcks. Have any of you done personal outings like this?
absolutely! i do have permissions forms from all the parents.My own kids attend what is considered a year round school so while most are on summer break, they are still in school. Their school is having an awards ceremony next week and usually my mother stays here with the dcks while I attend ceremonies like this. Well this time we decided it was time that grandma not have to miss out so we are both going and have decided to take the dcks with us. We are walking since our car is not big enough to hold everyone properly. I used to own a van and we used to take the kids on field trips to the library, park, and zoo but the van died over a year ago. This is the first time we have taken a group out for something that was for us and not for the dcks. Have any of you done personal outings like this?
however if there are a lot of daycare kids then you might find it distracting and would enjoy yourself more if you closed for the day
KidGrind 08:58 AM 06-23-2014
Childcare is a profession.
It is quite alright if someone who takes care of children doesn’t deem it as their profession.
To transport or not to transport is up to each individual childcare provider. Go with a provider who transports or does not is up to parents.
Doing something different is not a critique or insult.
It is quite alright if someone who takes care of children doesn’t deem it as their profession.
To transport or not to transport is up to each individual childcare provider. Go with a provider who transports or does not is up to parents.
Doing something different is not a critique or insult.
Blackcat31 09:01 AM 06-23-2014
Originally Posted by KidGrind:
Childcare is a profession.
It is quite alright if someone who takes care of children doesn’t deem it as their profession.
To transport or not to transport is up to each individual childcare provider. Go with a provider who transports or does not is up to parents.
Doing something different is not a critique or insult.
I don't think it's so much about transporting as it is about WHERE you are transporting them to. Atleast that is where MY comments came in. Childcare is a profession.
It is quite alright if someone who takes care of children doesn’t deem it as their profession.
To transport or not to transport is up to each individual childcare provider. Go with a provider who transports or does not is up to parents.
Doing something different is not a critique or insult.
I do not feel it is unprofessional to transport kids.
I do feel it's unprofessional to take them on personal outings.
But same thoughts apply. It's a difference of opinion not an insult or critique.
MCC 12:30 PM 06-23-2014
For me personally, I would not feel professional taking a kid to a personal outing. I started my home daycare as a nanny share, and at that point, absolutely I would take the 2 dcks with me on personal outings. However, I am a business now, I expect parents to treat me the same way they would treat KinderCare, or any other center. Therefore I need to make sure I am acting like a center (as far as professionalism and policies).
I do go on field trips to the zoo, library, grocery store (to buy ingredients to bake something usually), park etc. We have even gone to local play groups and of course to pool. All of these activities are for the kids.
I think it's a to each their own kind of thing, however, I think that it does take away from the professionalism, and "career" aspect of home daycare. This is my career, I do personal things outside my work hours, take a day off, or hire a sub.
I do go on field trips to the zoo, library, grocery store (to buy ingredients to bake something usually), park etc. We have even gone to local play groups and of course to pool. All of these activities are for the kids.
I think it's a to each their own kind of thing, however, I think that it does take away from the professionalism, and "career" aspect of home daycare. This is my career, I do personal things outside my work hours, take a day off, or hire a sub.
Play Care 12:38 PM 06-23-2014
Originally Posted by MCC:
For me personally, I would not feel professional taking a kid to a personal outing. I started my home daycare as a nanny share, and at that point, absolutely I would take the 2 dcks with me on personal outings. However, I am a business now, I expect parents to treat me the same way they would treat KinderCare, or any other center. Therefore I need to make sure I am acting like a center (as far as professionalism and policies).
I do go on field trips to the zoo, library, grocery store (to buy ingredients to bake something usually), park etc. We have even gone to local play groups and of course to pool. All of these activities are for the kids.
I think it's a to each their own kind of thing, however, I think that it does take away from the professionalism, and "career" aspect of home daycare. This is my career, I do personal things outside my work hours, take a day off, or hire a sub.
For me personally, I would not feel professional taking a kid to a personal outing. I started my home daycare as a nanny share, and at that point, absolutely I would take the 2 dcks with me on personal outings. However, I am a business now, I expect parents to treat me the same way they would treat KinderCare, or any other center. Therefore I need to make sure I am acting like a center (as far as professionalism and policies).
I do go on field trips to the zoo, library, grocery store (to buy ingredients to bake something usually), park etc. We have even gone to local play groups and of course to pool. All of these activities are for the kids.
I think it's a to each their own kind of thing, however, I think that it does take away from the professionalism, and "career" aspect of home daycare. This is my career, I do personal things outside my work hours, take a day off, or hire a sub.
drseuss 12:48 PM 06-23-2014
I do not transport my daycare children because of the huge cost of insurance on that liability. That said, I think that occasional trips to the store, the post office, the pharmacy, or the veterinarian are perfectly fine for family child care. After all, it IS family child care. Children learn about what the world is like and how to function in it when they are participating in those things. That doesn't mean that the provider should have carte blanch to run all the errands with the dcks. But taking them to the store or something once in a while is a good thing IMO. When I was transporting children, it was always fun to take them into the grocery store for a few things and have all five or six of them pushing their little carts and 'helping' with the shopping.
So. Taking them on real world outings? Yes, once in a while. Dragging them all over town to get your errands banged out? No.
So. Taking them on real world outings? Yes, once in a while. Dragging them all over town to get your errands banged out? No.