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In my state the ratio for unlicensed care is 1:4.
I have come across two programs that advertise themselves as preschools today. One had a ratio of 1:15 and another had a ratio of 1:10. ![]() DHS website says this: A complaint is a suspected violation of Arizona state rules and/or statutes governing the operations of licensed child care centers or certified group homes. The Department only has jurisdiction over those matters that are governed by either rules or statutes. Not even sure they can/would investigate a provider who was over ratio. |
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I imagine it's difficult to know (the definition isn't always rigid) for sure if someone is a child care provider (business) or just babysitting once in a blue moon. I mean yes, we know but knowing and proving are two different things. Plus the money and man power it would require? I can't even begin to grasp that thought....especially since many of the Health and Human Services/DHS agencies are so over loaded with cases as it is. It's sad for sure and I understand as it happens here in my area all the time....the best we (as providers) can do is educate....I post links to licensing look up sites, to sites that discuss dangers or illegal care and links to horror stories we read about when providers are over ratios and uninsured. Educating parents seems to be the most productive way of getting anything accomplished in this issue. |
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I was just going to ask about this the other day and was side tracked... I have an aquantice that also does childcare. Our state is 1:6 ratio for children under 6 and no more than 2 under 2 at the same time. Well she has 6 children herself and then 7 daycare children. I’m more concerned that her husband is a known addict (herione, meth, crack cocaine) and does not work and hangs around the house all day. Because she is not licensed, I don’t know who I could report this too. She will also know it would be me because she has vented certain things to me in the past. I keep an arms length away from her because of her husband and their issues they have. I’m not too concerned for about her being upset with me than I am for the well being of the children in her care. Several of her children have behavioral problems and are emotionally unstable (even had evaluations done by hospital) because of the stuff they’ve witnessed between the 2 of them. She charges bottom dollar and that’s appealing to some parents. Would this be a reportable to CPS? I don’t know where to start?
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I report. Every time.
Eventually, someone will have to account for all those "failed to follow through inspections" when something does happen and an anonymous ![]() ![]()
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Licensing ignores illegal providers Something bad happens Uproar that doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal providers Licensing hammers legal providers for a while so it looks like they are doing "something" Licensing backs off to the point they were at before Rinse and repeat ![]() |
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The frustrating part is in order to make a complaint you have to provide darn near everything except your social. And it is all public record. Including the person making the report.
I am assuming this is to cut down on reports, thereby reducing DHS' work load. |
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Are they advertising their ratios?
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Yes. Websites and Facebook. I came across both ads last night while I was browsing through a local buy/sell FB group.
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Michigan had an online form that allows as much or a little info that you want/can give.
If I report a fb post, I just copy and paste the post link along with what they posted. I never fill out my information. Later the post disappers and that SAHM looking for cash under that table stops advertising. There are some presistant SAHM that will switch the group they advertise in but most will stop. As for commenting to let them know instead of reporting, if you comment they tend to block you and repost later. I was talking to another local provider and she brought up a SAHM that she reported (I had too but did not mention it). She told me that she knows her and she was not stable and was not able to obtain a DC license. That is why she was illegally operating instead of becoming legal. Because we both reported, she was fined and possibly jailed. Three months later she was back posting again. In her post she commented that people need to mind their business. (Her post also include name address and number) She got caught again and was shocked. (I didn't report her the second time) I have not seen her post since. |
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Being reported here is like winning a small lottery if you truly want to start your own home daycare. It isn't punitive.
![]() ![]() It is easier and more welcoming to have been reported than if you simply tried to follow the rules and open a family child care in the "correct manner". ![]() ![]() ![]() Truth be told it is a ridiculous law that specifies "for pay". 2 for pay ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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It's almost a head in sand situation. Until someone gets hurt. Then all heck breaks loose. |
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I see so many providers over ratio and our ratios are super strict here. One day I saw a provider with 10 kids and we are only allowed 5 and some licensed providers are allowed 6 with no more than 2 under 2. My daycare parent told me that I am the only one that actually follows rules as she has a few providers on her street. These people are my direct competition because they can offer $35 a day when they are way over ratio. No one polices it and as an ECE I am mandated to report which I am not going to do. I don’t get paid enough to police others. The government puts out the rules, then the gov’t should be the one to make sure people are following it. |
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Then print out the proof and send it to licensing . That’s what I’d do.
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Id like to think that be me spending the money and precious time to start and run a home daycare the right way and take those trainings like I'm supposed to, thus charging more for my care, i am obviously more qualified but that it will and has proved itself in those cases of "care providers" or "babysitters" that watch kids unlicensed and children get hurt.
id also like to think the parents have the sense for their childs safety to choose me over ones unlicensed and over ratio for this reason. |
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