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Cat Herder 10:08 AM 06-05-2020
I am familiar with Univeral Healthcare and Universal Preschool platforms, but today I heard the term Universal Income touted and it made my skin crawl.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Josiegirl 10:12 AM 06-05-2020
I'd have to know more about it, pros/cons, do other countries have it and does it work for them, would it make everybody's financial situations more equal, etc., etc? So many unknown variables but I could see how it wouldn't work the way they think it might.
Cat Herder 10:19 AM 06-05-2020
My fear is that of a parent and middle-class worker who was motivated to work hard and save to succeed in life. I pay my taxes to allow for good roads, police, schools and social services.
How do we raise our kids to work hard for their dreams if they can just lay about, play video games and collect? An entire generation of paid voters with no natural intrinsic motivation scares the ____ out of me. What happens when everyone stops paying taxes because they don't earn enough? It just really scares me for the next generation.
How do we raise our kids to work hard for their dreams if they can just lay about, play video games and collect? An entire generation of paid voters with no natural intrinsic motivation scares the ____ out of me. What happens when everyone stops paying taxes because they don't earn enough? It just really scares me for the next generation.
daycarediva 10:26 AM 06-05-2020
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
My fear is that of a parent and middle-class worker who was motivated to work hard and save to succeed in life. I pay my taxes to allow for good roads, police, schools and social services.
How do we raise our kids to work hard for their dreams if they can just lay about, play video games and collect? An entire generation of paid voters with no natural intrinsic motivation scares the ____ out of me. What happens when everyone stops paying taxes because they don't earn enough? It just really scares me for the next generation.
Which is why capitalism works. I didn't want my kids to live in trailer or be teased for being trash like I was. I worked my butt off to improve my socio-economic status. My fear is that of a parent and middle-class worker who was motivated to work hard and save to succeed in life. I pay my taxes to allow for good roads, police, schools and social services.
How do we raise our kids to work hard for their dreams if they can just lay about, play video games and collect? An entire generation of paid voters with no natural intrinsic motivation scares the ____ out of me. What happens when everyone stops paying taxes because they don't earn enough? It just really scares me for the next generation.
This isn't the first I have heard of this. I just don't think it will work long term. Our country is bankrupt now. We can't be given more money than we pay in taxes.
Eg. We pay in about 35,000/year. If they give me a univeral income of 20,000 and my husband a universal income of 20,000 that's a loss.
Most families don't pay that much in. So a single mom making 26,000/year gets an 8,000 tax return (real figures, happened to my DCM) so she 'makes' 34,000 and pays NOTHING in, and then gets additional income of 20,000. Now is no longer poverty level so no more free health insurance, WIC, food stamps, section 8 housing. That will end up COSTING her.
sammie 10:45 AM 06-05-2020
Originally Posted by Josiegirl:
I'd have to know more about it, pros/cons, do other countries have it and does it work for them, would it make everybody's financial situations more equal, etc., etc? So many unknown variables but I could see how it wouldn't work the way they think it might.
In my opinion, if one does not like there current financial situation/income, there are many different ways to change that. I'd have to know more about it, pros/cons, do other countries have it and does it work for them, would it make everybody's financial situations more equal, etc., etc? So many unknown variables but I could see how it wouldn't work the way they think it might.
We all ready pay enough in taxes. Our country is broke. Able bodied people need to support themselves.
Sunchimes 10:57 AM 06-05-2020
Isn't this something like Andrew Yang was proposing when he was running for president? He had some solid reasons why it would work and would be a good thing, although I can't remember them now. But, it was interesting to hear his reasoning, something out of the box.
Cat Herder 11:02 AM 06-05-2020
Originally Posted by Sunchimes:
Isn't this something like Andrew Yang was proposing when he was running for president?
One of the men running for congress in my state is also using this platform pretty loudly today. That is what got me thinking about it. Isn't this something like Andrew Yang was proposing when he was running for president?
He is running for Rep. John Lewis's seat. That, in and of itself, will be a hard feat.
Blackcat31 12:56 PM 06-05-2020
I kinda feel like we already universal income.
I definitely don't feel like I am working my butt off for me/my family.
It feels like I am working hard so that so many others can have a good life.
I definitely don't feel like I am working my butt off for me/my family.
It feels like I am working hard so that so many others can have a good life.
Cat Herder 10:58 AM 06-05-2020
I also wonder what the rebound effect would be. People like me will get tired of paying for everyone else and just stop. Can't beat them, join them.
I won't even go far into the whole "idle hands" issue that follows.
I won't even go far into the whole "idle hands" issue that follows.
Faith is a gift too 02:12 PM 06-05-2020
Originally Posted by sammie:
In my opinion, if one does not like there current financial situation/income, there are many different ways to change that.
We all ready pay enough in taxes. Our country is broke. Able bodied people need to support themselves.
True, but trying to change your situation is a lot easier for some than others: In my opinion, if one does not like there current financial situation/income, there are many different ways to change that.
We all ready pay enough in taxes. Our country is broke. Able bodied people need to support themselves.
https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...-your-destiny-
This study makes me think about the earthquake in Haiti a few years back, my child asked me, "why don't those people just leave?" "honey, sometimes it's not that easy"
Most of our social programs right now tell people how they can use the money: food stamps, Wic. Universal income would give people the freedom to use it to better their situation any way they see fit. Maybe saving up for a downpayment on a home, so they can move out of the situation that they are currently living in or retiring 10 years early.
Blackcat31 02:36 PM 06-05-2020
Originally Posted by Faith is a gift too:
True, but trying to change your situation is a lot easier for some than others:
https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...-your-destiny-
This study makes me think about the earthquake in Haiti a few years back, my child asked me, "why don't those people just leave?" "honey, sometimes it's not that easy"
Most of our social programs right now tell people how they can use the money: food stamps, Wic. Universal income would give people the freedom to use it to better their situation any way they see fit. Maybe saving up for a downpayment on a home, so they can move out of the situation that they are currently living in or retiring 10 years early.
So why not invest the money that would be spent on Universal Income into better communities verses putting it in individual bank accounts? True, but trying to change your situation is a lot easier for some than others:
https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news...-your-destiny-
This study makes me think about the earthquake in Haiti a few years back, my child asked me, "why don't those people just leave?" "honey, sometimes it's not that easy"
Most of our social programs right now tell people how they can use the money: food stamps, Wic. Universal income would give people the freedom to use it to better their situation any way they see fit. Maybe saving up for a downpayment on a home, so they can move out of the situation that they are currently living in or retiring 10 years early.
Give people opportunities instead of dollars.
Many of the social programs that provide money or assistance to people does NOT tell them how to use that money. That's why so many are on it. WIC is the only one I can think if that limits what recipients get but only because they are given vouchers and not cash money.
Faith is a gift too 03:15 PM 06-05-2020
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
So why not invest the money that would be spent on Universal Income into better communities verses putting it in individual bank accounts?
Give people opportunities instead of dollars.
I feel like this is already been done.So why not invest the money that would be spent on Universal Income into better communities verses putting it in individual bank accounts?
Give people opportunities instead of dollars.
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
So
Many of the social programs that provide money or assistance to people does NOT tell them how to use that money.
I don't know of too many that dont come with directives.So
Many of the social programs that provide money or assistance to people does NOT tell them how to use that money.
sammie 10:22 AM 06-05-2020
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
I am familiar with Univeral Healthcare and Universal Preschool platforms, but today I heard the term Universal Income touted and it made my skin crawl.
Thoughts?
First thought that popped into my head was "oh hell no!" I am familiar with Univeral Healthcare and Universal Preschool platforms, but today I heard the term Universal Income touted and it made my skin crawl.
Thoughts?