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EchoMom 08:43 AM 08-28-2013
Thoughts please:
9 month old baby I've had since 10 weeks old.
Is in the 95th percentile in all areas.
25lbs. Crawler.
He poops LITERALLY 4 times a day. BIG, STINKY poops. A few months ago his parents were sending home made purees and ground up meals. They LITERALY would send HUGE containers with 10 times the portion he should have. It's always extremely pungent, acrid smelling horridness!
They send unlimited amounts of formula bottles and just kept the food coming and coming and coming. This is a baby that could eat you out of house and home. However, he seems to eat out of boredom as well. If distracted, or allowed to roam he often forgets about eating and goes to play.
We have eliminated the foods sent from home and only now feed him appropriate portions of the food we serve here. We have also significantly lowered the number of bottles he's given here.
However, he still poops a TON and OFTEN of the nasty type of food he gets at home. Leading me to believe that they are LOADING him up with the dog food looking stuff they used to send.
Thoughts on this? Do I say anything? But how can I dictate what/how much they feed at home? Do I just have to suck it up and deal with it? It's an issue that isn't going away and drives me nuts. He poops more and stinkier than any other child here and he makes the room STINK.
9 month old baby I've had since 10 weeks old.
Is in the 95th percentile in all areas.
25lbs. Crawler.
He poops LITERALLY 4 times a day. BIG, STINKY poops. A few months ago his parents were sending home made purees and ground up meals. They LITERALY would send HUGE containers with 10 times the portion he should have. It's always extremely pungent, acrid smelling horridness!
They send unlimited amounts of formula bottles and just kept the food coming and coming and coming. This is a baby that could eat you out of house and home. However, he seems to eat out of boredom as well. If distracted, or allowed to roam he often forgets about eating and goes to play.
We have eliminated the foods sent from home and only now feed him appropriate portions of the food we serve here. We have also significantly lowered the number of bottles he's given here.
However, he still poops a TON and OFTEN of the nasty type of food he gets at home. Leading me to believe that they are LOADING him up with the dog food looking stuff they used to send.
Thoughts on this? Do I say anything? But how can I dictate what/how much they feed at home? Do I just have to suck it up and deal with it? It's an issue that isn't going away and drives me nuts. He poops more and stinkier than any other child here and he makes the room STINK.
butterfly 08:54 AM 08-28-2013
I feel like I have to do my part at daycare, but I can't tell a parent how to parent - for the most part. 
I would just suck it up and let it be. If you are doing your part at daycare, that's all you can do.
I would just suck it up and let it be. If you are doing your part at daycare, that's all you can do.
KSDC 09:09 AM 08-28-2013
If they are open to hearing your thoughts, then go ahead and make kind suggestions. Brag about how great he is doing with less bottles. Talk abut the kinds and amounts of food he enjoys at your daycare.
But, unless the parents are open to advice, I think you just have to deal. They are his parents and get to choose how to parent their child when he is not at your daycare.
But, unless the parents are open to advice, I think you just have to deal. They are his parents and get to choose how to parent their child when he is not at your daycare.
itlw8 09:32 AM 08-28-2013
If a child is 95th % in both height and weight that is fine. the numbers match. And yes I would expect a child like that to eat more along the lines of what a 1 yr old would eat. But you have no idea what the dish was they blended it could be very healthy. But there could be one thing like corn or cabbage that causes the problem...
Just say I noticed he poops more than many children and it smells. Do you have any idea what he eats that makes it so smelly?
Remember a normal portion for a child in the 50% will be less than a child by genetics is in the 95%
Just say I noticed he poops more than many children and it smells. Do you have any idea what he eats that makes it so smelly?
Remember a normal portion for a child in the 50% will be less than a child by genetics is in the 95%
SilverSabre25 09:34 AM 08-28-2013
I bet there's a food allergy/intolerance component to it. Poop isn't actually supposed to be that nasty. When it is, it's a sign of something imbalanced in the gut. He could just need more water (if he drinks formula, then he needs water too), he could need better gut flora (load him up with yogurt! I often mix probiotic powder into everyone's smoothie or yogurt for even more nutritional awesomeness), he could have a dairy issue....
Maria2013 09:36 AM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by butterfly:
I feel like I have to do my part at daycare, but I can't tell a parent how to parent - for the most part. I would just suck it up and let it be. If you are doing your part at daycare, that's all you can do.
that's meI feel like I have to do my part at daycare, but I can't tell a parent how to parent - for the most part.
I would just suck it up and let it be. If you are doing your part at daycare, that's all you can do.
EntropyControlSpecialist 09:40 AM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by butterfly:
I feel like I have to do my part at daycare, but I can't tell a parent how to parent - for the most part. I would just suck it up and let it be. If you are doing your part at daycare, that's all you can do.
Yep.I feel like I have to do my part at daycare, but I can't tell a parent how to parent - for the most part.
I would just suck it up and let it be. If you are doing your part at daycare, that's all you can do.I had two children come in this morning to eat breakfast after eating Doritos at home and the other child had the chocolate covered mini donuts that come in a bag. NOT how I would do things as these items contain no nutritional value whatsoever, but not my place to say anything either since they ate them at home.
Leanna 09:44 AM 08-28-2013
It sounds like you are giving him a healthy diet at daycare. As far as what the parents feed him at home, unless they are feeding him "junk foods" and other highly processed foods (in which case you could talk to them about fresh foods and other options), I wouldn't feel comfortable discussing what the child eats at home. Many ethnic dishes may look/smell totally unappetizing to us but be perfectly common to them. I had a little girl who had very stinky BM's but her parents fed her black beans, seaweed, etc. There isn't anything wrong with those foods so I couldn't very well ask them to change their diet just because her poopy was stinky KWIM?
Heidi 10:46 AM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I bet there's a food allergy/intolerance component to it. Poop isn't actually supposed to be that nasty. When it is, it's a sign of something imbalanced in the gut. He could just need more water (if he drinks formula, then he needs water too), he could need better gut flora (load him up with yogurt! I often mix probiotic powder into everyone's smoothie or yogurt for even more nutritional awesomeness), he could have a dairy issue....
hmmm...I bet there's a food allergy/intolerance component to it. Poop isn't actually supposed to be that nasty. When it is, it's a sign of something imbalanced in the gut. He could just need more water (if he drinks formula, then he needs water too), he could need better gut flora (load him up with yogurt! I often mix probiotic powder into everyone's smoothie or yogurt for even more nutritional awesomeness), he could have a dairy issue....
food program says no yogurt before one year (and no honey).
Familycare71 11:13 AM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I bet there's a food allergy/intolerance component to it. Poop isn't actually supposed to be that nasty. When it is, it's a sign of something imbalanced in the gut. He could just need more water (if he drinks formula, then he needs water too), he could need better gut flora (load him up with yogurt! I often mix probiotic powder into everyone's smoothie or yogurt for even more nutritional awesomeness), he could have a dairy issue....
I would not be ok having someone give my child a probiotic without my knowledge! I bet there's a food allergy/intolerance component to it. Poop isn't actually supposed to be that nasty. When it is, it's a sign of something imbalanced in the gut. He could just need more water (if he drinks formula, then he needs water too), he could need better gut flora (load him up with yogurt! I often mix probiotic powder into everyone's smoothie or yogurt for even more nutritional awesomeness), he could have a dairy issue....
Also filling him up on water doesn't help much...
I had my own DS who was over 100% on the scale. He was not over weight - just big. He still is!
Is he over weight- not just chubby but fat?
He is 9 months old I find it hard to believe he would over eat at that age- like someone else said he is in a higher percentile so keep that in mind with portion sizes
Jewels 11:24 AM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
hmmm...
food program says no yogurt before one year (and no honey).
You can't record yogurt, but you can feed it as an extra for a baby, my baby gets a yogurt for snack sometimes, and his formula, but I only need the formula for the snack, the yogurt is just extra.hmmm...
food program says no yogurt before one year (and no honey).
preschoolteacher 11:32 AM 08-28-2013
You can't record yogurt, but there's nothing nutritionally wrong or dangerous with a baby eating it before they are 1. Honey, on the other hand, can cause botulism.
For this kid, I would give him as much as he wanted during designated mealtimes only.
Is he spoon fed or is he beginning to use his fingers to feed himself? I'd encourage him to start feeding himself--he's not too young to start! That way, he would be in control of how much he ate and you could be assured that he's eating what he needs, not just sucking down what someone else shovels in!
For this kid, I would give him as much as he wanted during designated mealtimes only.
Is he spoon fed or is he beginning to use his fingers to feed himself? I'd encourage him to start feeding himself--he's not too young to start! That way, he would be in control of how much he ate and you could be assured that he's eating what he needs, not just sucking down what someone else shovels in!
cheerfuldom 12:47 PM 08-28-2013
I definitely think a baby can be overfed. a young baby can basically be trained to eat way too much and like the OP said, given food in replacement of activity, comfort, etc.
A relative of my sister was feeding her child 9 jars of baby food per day plus a lot of bottles. I have no idea where she got this number from as it was an insane amount of food for a baby way under one year. This child was not getting outdoors and not get much activity at all. Mom used food as a way to bond and care for the child. He is three now and has horrible table manners and mom is still spoon feeding him.
all that to say, nothing you can do about it! you might bag the stinky diapers individually and get them out to another trashcan but there isnt more you can do.
A relative of my sister was feeding her child 9 jars of baby food per day plus a lot of bottles. I have no idea where she got this number from as it was an insane amount of food for a baby way under one year. This child was not getting outdoors and not get much activity at all. Mom used food as a way to bond and care for the child. He is three now and has horrible table manners and mom is still spoon feeding him.
all that to say, nothing you can do about it! you might bag the stinky diapers individually and get them out to another trashcan but there isnt more you can do.
SilverSabre25 01:01 PM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by Familycare71:
I would not be ok having someone give my child a probiotic without my knowledge!
Also filling him up on water doesn't help much...
I had my own DS who was over 100% on the scale. He was not over weight - just big. He still is!
Is he over weight- not just chubby but fat?
He is 9 months old I find it hard to believe he would over eat at that age- like someone else said he is in a higher percentile so keep that in mind with portion sizes
My dcps know that I do it...thanks.I would not be ok having someone give my child a probiotic without my knowledge!
Also filling him up on water doesn't help much...
I had my own DS who was over 100% on the scale. He was not over weight - just big. He still is!
Is he over weight- not just chubby but fat?
He is 9 months old I find it hard to believe he would over eat at that age- like someone else said he is in a higher percentile so keep that in mind with portion sizes
And I never said he should "fill up" on water, just that when they start solids, it's recommended that formula fed babies get water along with meals.
SilverSabre25 01:02 PM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
hmmm...
food program says no yogurt before one year (and no honey).
Well honey, yeah. hmmm...
food program says no yogurt before one year (and no honey).
But yogurt? Weird. If they can have cheese they should be allowed yogurt. They are both cultured dairy products. And since most formula is cow milk based I fail to see the difference...that's just dumb. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that the food program is stupid.
Heidi 01:24 PM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
Well honey, yeah.
But yogurt? Weird. If they can have cheese they should be allowed yogurt. They are both cultured dairy products. And since most formula is cow milk based I fail to see the difference...that's just dumb. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that the food program is stupid.
no..that's fine!Well honey, yeah.
But yogurt? Weird. If they can have cheese they should be allowed yogurt. They are both cultured dairy products. And since most formula is cow milk based I fail to see the difference...that's just dumb. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that the food program is stupid.
I wasn't saying anyone was wrong, either. Just that my food program says no, and my food program person made it sound like it was because of the active cultures. weird.
As for OP, I would also let him start self-feeding. Both my 8 month olds just started, and they are doing fine. I still help a little with one of them, but the other one has in down.
Ok...I just looked it up, and it looks like it's not advised that infants have low-fat or non-fat yogurt, but full-fat (good luck finding that) is fine. That's why cheese is ok but yogurt isn't on the food program. Because babies need the fat for brain development, and well-meaning people would want to give them low-fat yogurt to keep them from 'getting fat".
Also, if he is equal at 95% in height and weight, he's big, not overweight. My oldest 3 kids were just like that until they started walking. Then everything changed.
Familycare71 06:23 PM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
My dcps know that I do it...thanks.
And I never said he should "fill up" on water, just that when they start solids, it's recommended that formula fed babies get water along with meals.
Sorry My dcps know that I do it...thanks.
And I never said he should "fill up" on water, just that when they start solids, it's recommended that formula fed babies get water along with meals.
The way I read the statement made it sound like you were suggesting just adding it.
I've never heard of giving water under 1 year unless they are in extreme heat...
SilverSabre25 06:28 PM 08-28-2013
Originally Posted by Familycare71:
Sorry
The way I read the statement made it sound like you were suggesting just adding it.
I've never heard of giving water under 1 year unless they are in extreme heat...
Not to breast fed babies, but it's a common rec for formula fed ones. I thought. Formula is a lot more constipating that breastmilk, and when combined with solids can make for some nasty stuff.Sorry
The way I read the statement made it sound like you were suggesting just adding it.
I've never heard of giving water under 1 year unless they are in extreme heat...
littlemissmuffet 12:14 AM 08-30-2013
According to my baby's docs (she has many) - a baby (forumla fed or not) does typically not need water before the age of 1 year.
countrymom 04:56 AM 08-30-2013
Originally Posted by littlemissmuffet:
According to my baby's docs (she has many) - a baby (forumla fed or not) does typically not need water before the age of 1 year.
acually this recommendation has been around for years and years. I never gave my children water when they were little.According to my baby's docs (she has many) - a baby (forumla fed or not) does typically not need water before the age of 1 year.
I'm wondering if this child has some sort of stomach bug and is having a hard time clearing it up. There is nothing wrong with giving a 9month old some yogurt (like the minigos) as long as its not a meal but a snack. Also, maybe just maybe there is an allergy to some food.
just curious are the parents a different culture, maybe thats why they don't know.
mrsnj 06:17 AM 08-30-2013
I have a mom who brings crap for her child. And enough to feed at least three or four toddlers! For just her one single baby. It is nothing but trash and sugar and junk. She eats like this at home. I get the "Monday poops" cause all they do is jam that stuff in her all weekend and I get to deal with it on Monday. Sept we are transferring to my foods. 
I have another baby whos mom only provides bottles. No food and a ton of bottles. One day I asked when her next bottle was due and she said in an hour. Long story short it calculated to her getting a formula bottle every two hrs or less! Well no wonder the child is so overweight that she can barely sit! And no wonder there were a ton of bottles. She was expecting me to give her twice what I was! I don't
Thats insane. If they don't stop she will be HUGE by the time they do decide to start the foods!
Both of those kids poop-mysters.
I don't say anything. I agree that what happens on my watch is one thing. Toddler one get 1/3 of what is brought and the candy junk goes in the trash. Baby two gets a bottle every three hours no matter what mom does at home. BUT I don't tell them what to do at home
I have another baby whos mom only provides bottles. No food and a ton of bottles. One day I asked when her next bottle was due and she said in an hour. Long story short it calculated to her getting a formula bottle every two hrs or less! Well no wonder the child is so overweight that she can barely sit! And no wonder there were a ton of bottles. She was expecting me to give her twice what I was! I don't
Thats insane. If they don't stop she will be HUGE by the time they do decide to start the foods!Both of those kids poop-mysters.
I don't say anything. I agree that what happens on my watch is one thing. Toddler one get 1/3 of what is brought and the candy junk goes in the trash. Baby two gets a bottle every three hours no matter what mom does at home. BUT I don't tell them what to do at home
Play Care 01:15 PM 08-30-2013
Originally Posted by littlemissmuffet:
According to my baby's docs (she has many) - a baby (forumla fed or not) does typically not need water before the age of 1 year.
I was told the same thing when my now 8 yo daughter switched from BM to formula. IIRC, and it was a while ago so...it was either because water can cause the infant to not take a full bottle or too much water somehow affected the absorption of the formula's nutrients (maybe make them too diluted?) In any case we were told water wasn't necessary before 1 year.According to my baby's docs (she has many) - a baby (forumla fed or not) does typically not need water before the age of 1 year.
Cradle2crayons 01:18 PM 08-30-2013
Originally Posted by Play Care:
I was told the same thing when my now 8 yo daughter switched from BM to formula. IIRC, and it was a while ago so...it was either because water can cause the infant to not take a full bottle or too much water somehow affected the absorption of the formula's nutrients (maybe make them too diluted?) In any case we were told water wasn't necessary before 1 year.
I read somewhere that the risk of water intoxification is higher in children under one year. Maybe it's multiple factors.I was told the same thing when my now 8 yo daughter switched from BM to formula. IIRC, and it was a while ago so...it was either because water can cause the infant to not take a full bottle or too much water somehow affected the absorption of the formula's nutrients (maybe make them too diluted?) In any case we were told water wasn't necessary before 1 year.
My daughters pediatrician recommended water after she started solids because she would get constipated. But he warned never dilute formula. And no water within one hour of meals
Familycare71 01:18 PM 08-30-2013
That was always my understanding with water- not needed before one and on a non formula/BF diet...
Emsdayhome 10:23 AM 09-04-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I bet there's a food allergy/intolerance component to it. Poop isn't actually supposed to be that nasty. When it is, it's a sign of something imbalanced in the gut. He could just need more water (if he drinks formula, then he needs water too), he could need better gut flora (load him up with yogurt! I often mix probiotic powder into everyone's smoothie or yogurt for even more nutritional awesomeness), he could have a dairy issue....
red flag for food allergy or intolerance, or dietary illness right there! poops shouldn't smell like toxic waste no matter what kiddo's eating, as long as their body is digesting it all properly. Why not try some Rice milk with babe while in your care, take dairy out for a bit....dairy is a HUGE culprit for this.. (my dayhome is gluten ,dairy,soy, and corn-free ......they all have SOMETHING lol)I bet there's a food allergy/intolerance component to it. Poop isn't actually supposed to be that nasty. When it is, it's a sign of something imbalanced in the gut. He could just need more water (if he drinks formula, then he needs water too), he could need better gut flora (load him up with yogurt! I often mix probiotic powder into everyone's smoothie or yogurt for even more nutritional awesomeness), he could have a dairy issue....