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jokalima 10:53 AM 02-13-2013
What is this exactly? If someone knows, and how it could affect us FHDCP? Really ignorant about this
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Willow 11:29 AM 02-13-2013
Basically means everyone would pay additional taxes to the government and then the government will divvy out "free" childcare to the masses. You know how kindergarten is free? Obama thinks every family should have access to free preschool in the same way.

As far as how it would effect private providers, to participate we'd probably be paid less (exactly like county assistance rates are determined now - most falling way below what any of us actually charge). Choose not to participate and you'll be stuck competing against those who do offer it, and think about it....how many people will choose quality over a free service? While it's fine and dandy to hope or assume most parents would care fact of the matter is the economy is in the crapper and only tanking faster and harder every single day. With the way things are going it's just a matter of time before parents won't have the choice but to accept such free programs just so they can get food on their tables.

I seriously think Obama is trying to run us all straight into the ground just so he can force us all to become more dependent on big government via programs like that.

I jerked my head up from my sewing so fast last night when I heard him spout the words "universal preschool" my neck still hurts today.....


It's an avenue of socialism and the theory is disgusting imho. It definitely won't benefit the children on a mass level.
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Blackcat31 11:55 AM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:
Basically means everyone would pay additional taxes to the government and then the government will divvy out "free" childcare to the masses. You know how kindergarten is free? Obama thinks every family should have access to free preschool in the same way.

As far as how it would effect private providers, to participate we'd probably be paid less (exactly like county assistance rates are determined now - most falling way below what any of us actually charge). Choose not to participate and you'll be stuck competing against those who do offer it, and think about it....how many people will choose quality over a free service? While it's fine and dandy to hope or assume most parents would care fact of the matter is the economy is in the crapper and only tanking faster and harder every single day. With the way things are going it's just a matter of time before parents won't have the choice but to accept such free programs just so they can get food on their tables.

I seriously think Obama is trying to run us all straight into the ground just so he can force us all to become more dependent on big government via programs like that.

I jerked my head up from my sewing so fast last night when I heard him spout the words "universal preschool" my neck still hurts today.....


It's an avenue of socialism and the theory is disgusting imho. It definitely won't benefit the children on a mass level.
That is exactly why I am really struggling with this QRIS thing, It is ONLY the beginning of it and already I see the "signs" of forced particpation or being left out in the cold.

The biggest group of parents looking for child care are single parents on some sort of assistance program. Most the families in my community that aren't on some sort of assistance have figured out how to manage child care needs amongst themselves and within the family.

From what I have read about the Parent Aware program, the government is going to give tax breaks/credits to parents who choose programs that participate so we know which programs are going to fill the fastest.
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blandino 12:06 PM 02-13-2013
Oklahoma was mentioned in the state of the union address for it's "universal preschool". What we have is a statewide 4 year old program, that is part of the elementary schools. This coming school year they have extended it from half-day to full-day.

I would hope that is what the president is meaning when he speaks of universal preschool. And since he mentioned my state's program - I think he is.

I absolutely dislike the all day, state provided, preschool. And I hate the idea of it funneling into the younger children and private childcare. And this is coming from a HUGE Obama supporter.

Some schools in our state have 3 year old programs and I loathe the idea. However, parents (even my middle/ upper-middle class clientele) gobble the idea up. They love it. I have only had one mom who really doesn't want to take advantage of it (the 4 year old program).

I just think its a lot of school and structured learning for ones that little. Also, the shortened/elimination of nap time that has been broughten about by Pre-k & full day Kindergarten is a big concern of mine, but that's a whole other issue
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mom2many 12:10 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:
Basically means everyone would pay additional taxes to the government and then the government will divvy out "free" childcare to the masses. You know how kindergarten is free? Obama thinks every family should have access to free preschool in the same way.

As far as how it would effect private providers, to participate we'd probably be paid less (exactly like county assistance rates are determined now - most falling way below what any of us actually charge). Choose not to participate and you'll be stuck competing against those who do offer it, and think about it....how many people will choose quality over a free service? While it's fine and dandy to hope or assume most parents would care fact of the matter is the economy is in the crapper and only tanking faster and harder every single day. With the way things are going it's just a matter of time before parents won't have the choice but to accept such free programs just so they can get food on their tables.

I seriously think Obama is trying to run us all straight into the ground just so he can force us all to become more dependent on big government via programs like that.

I jerked my head up from my sewing so fast last night when I heard him spout the words "universal preschool" my neck still hurts today.....


It's an avenue of socialism and the theory is disgusting imho. It definitely won't benefit the children on a mass level.
I totally agree with you!

On a side note, we took our car in to get a smog check yesterday and the mechanics are going to be rated in a "star" program soon too.

It's scary to me where things are headed...
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Binkybobo 12:17 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:
Basically means everyone would pay additional taxes to the government and then the government will divvy out "free" childcare to the masses. You know how kindergarten is free? Obama thinks every family should have access to free preschool in the same way.

As far as how it would effect private providers, to participate we'd probably be paid less (exactly like county assistance rates are determined now - most falling way below what any of us actually charge). Choose not to participate and you'll be stuck competing against those who do offer it, and think about it....how many people will choose quality over a free service? While it's fine and dandy to hope or assume most parents would care fact of the matter is the economy is in the crapper and only tanking faster and harder every single day. With the way things are going it's just a matter of time before parents won't have the choice but to accept such free programs just so they can get food on their tables.

I seriously think Obama is trying to run us all straight into the ground just so he can force us all to become more dependent on big government via programs like that.

I jerked my head up from my sewing so fast last night when I heard him spout the words "universal preschool" my neck still hurts today.....
It's an avenue of socialism and the theory is disgusting imho. It definitely won't benefit the children on a mass level.
LOL
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MarinaVanessa 12:28 PM 02-13-2013
I'm really sorry to all of those Obama supporters out there but I think Obama's an idiot ... Maybe I'm just tired of hearing all of his promises and then him doing the complete opposite later but I think he's doing a horrible job as president.

I mean, did you hear what he said?!?! Does he hear what he is saying?!?! He proposed almost 30 new government programs and then said that it wouldn't increase the deficit. How does that even remotely make sense? Especially when the government is already going downhill and the deficit grows.
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Willow 12:39 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa:
I'm really sorry to all of those Obama supporters out there but I think Obama's an idiot ... Maybe I'm just tired of hearing all of his promises and then him doing the complete opposite later but I think he's doing a horrible job as president.

I mean, did you hear what he said?!?! Does he hear what he is saying?!?! He proposed almost 30 new government programs and then said that it wouldn't increase the deficit. How does that even remotely make sense? Especially when the government is already going downhill and the deficit grows.



I was so disgusted that he didn't hardly touch on unemployment or the deficit at all! Just spouted on and on about all these programs that are magically not going to cost us a dime!

I felt like I was in the twilight zone whenever people would stand up and clap......


On another note, the 102 year old woman who voted for him gets the longest standing ovation in the history of State of the Union addresses and the police officer who gets shot a dozen times in the line of duty gets crickets was BULL.

If that wasn't intentional brain washing bologna I don't know what is.......
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Binkybobo 12:59 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:



I was so disgusted that he didn't hardly touch on unemployment or the deficit at all! Just spouted on and on about all these programs that are magically not going to cost us a dime!

I felt like I was in the twilight zone whenever people would stand up and clap......


On another note, the 102 year old woman who voted for him gets the longest standing ovation in the history of State of the Union addresses and the police officer who gets shot a dozen times in the line of duty gets crickets was BULL.

If that wasn't intentional brain washing bologna I don't know what is.......
It just doesn't make sense to me. i cannot understand how it would benefit him for us to al be un state funded programs yet he keeps pushing them. Sure it would be great if ALL preschoolers were taught by degreed teachers. But is it important? No. I never stepped one foot in anyone's preschool as a child. Sesame street and Barney were my educators before prek and kinder. I was a straight A student. The more he proposes the more confused I get. I just don't see the point. I'm so confused that I can't even make an educated argument. I'm just all discombobulated with my mouth open like WTH? He meddles in things that are barely important instead of focusing on the real problems. Einstein didn't have universal preschool.. What in the world is going on? My 4 year od stays at home with mommy at no expense to any tax payer. She is more than ready for kindergarten.
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MarinaVanessa 01:19 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:



I was so disgusted that he didn't hardly touch on unemployment or the deficit at all! Just spouted on and on about all these programs that are magically not going to cost us a dime!

I felt like I was in the twilight zone whenever people would stand up and clap......


On another note, the 102 year old woman who voted for him gets the longest standing ovation in the history of State of the Union addresses and the police officer who gets shot a dozen times in the line of duty gets crickets was BULL.

If that wasn't intentional brain washing bologna I don't know what is.......
Nope, not hardly any time on those issues but he did mention how raising the minimum wage was going to help the economy. Really?!?! Are you listening to yourself?!?! Does he not realize that businesses will raise prices to accommodate this and that small businesses will suffer from this while inflation goes up meaning that goods will go up in cost which will in return affect us all? I mean really. Businesses already have started to reduce the number of FT employees because of the costs and prefer to have PT employees .... great... so if the minimum wage goes up now employees have a higher wage while they work all 4 hours of their PT shift. I can understand if he is HOPING that this will work but he literally practically GUARANTEES that it will . It just doesn't make any sense to me, none at all.

*All coming from the one that hates to talk about politics in an open forum *sigh*
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wahmof3 12:39 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa:
I'm really sorry to all of those Obama supporters out there but I think Obama's an idiot ... Maybe I'm just tired of hearing all of his promises and then him doing the complete opposite later but I think he's doing a horrible job as president.

I mean, did you hear what he said?!?! Does he hear what he is saying?!?! He proposed almost 30 new government programs and then said that it wouldn't increase the deficit. How does that even remotely make sense? Especially when the government is already going downhill and the deficit grows.
right on
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mom2many 12:53 PM 02-13-2013
I was on the elliptical at the gym last night when he was on tv and did twice the workout trying to blow off steam!
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daycarediva 01:06 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa:
I'm really sorry to all of those Obama supporters out there but I think Obama's an idiot ... Maybe I'm just tired of hearing all of his promises and then him doing the complete opposite later but I think he's doing a horrible job as president.

I mean, did you hear what he said?!?! Does he hear what he is saying?!?! He proposed almost 30 new government programs and then said that it wouldn't increase the deficit. How does that even remotely make sense? Especially when the government is already going downhill and the deficit grows.
My sentiments exactly!

As a pp said, the state is pushing degrees (I have an associate in ECE and am pursuing a bachelors). Now I know why! BS!
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saved4always 05:38 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by MarinaVanessa:
I'm really sorry to all of those Obama supporters out there but I think Obama's an idiot ... Maybe I'm just tired of hearing all of his promises and then him doing the complete opposite later but I think he's doing a horrible job as president.

I mean, did you hear what he said?!?! Does he hear what he is saying?!?! He proposed almost 30 new government programs and then said that it wouldn't increase the deficit. How does that even remotely make sense? Especially when the government is already going downhill and the deficit grows.
Absolutely agree with this. You can't give new handouts without bringing in more money...meaning more taxes. Lovely.
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wahmof3 12:39 PM 02-13-2013
OMG! This explains why my state is pushing licensed providers to get a preschool degree (as of right now a must by 2020) interesting!!!!
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Kaddidle Care 04:43 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:
Basically means everyone would pay additional taxes to the government and then the government will divvy out "free" childcare to the masses. You know how kindergarten is free? Obama thinks every family should have access to free preschool in the same way.
NOTHING is FREE - it is paid by the property owners of the town. This too will be paid by the taxpayers.

I sure hope those that voted for this man are happy. I still think the whole election was rigged. There aren't very many people that I've talked to that voted for him.

Then again, my dear friend who votes only for her party did and was complaining to me about how her Co-Pay went up. Yeah...

I love my friend but she's not the sharpest tool.. could be all the meds she's on and guess what? It's not so cheap to be on them anymore.

You know how Tax Freedom Day is April 16th? Well soon it will be November 16th. The American people are becoming enslaved to their debt and taxes.

Forgot to say.. it's not "for the children".
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Sugar Magnolia 05:20 PM 02-13-2013
I support Obama, and my personal and business taxes have gone down during his administration. My property values have gone up. My unemployed nephew has gotten a good job. I am looking forward to pursuing health insurance soon. So no complaints here about our President. I too did want to hear more about immigration, unemployment and bringing manufacturing back to the US.

Now.....on to the topic at hand:

I happily accept state subsidized childcare vouchers, and my state allows (encourages us, actually) to charge subsidy parents the difference between my published rate and their rate. In other words, accepting subsidy does not hurt my bottom line, and actually brings me joy to know I am helping someone by accepting it. My place is quite pricey, most
(if not all) of other pricey places refuse subsidy.

I do not like the current free preschool for 4 year olds, and I do not support it for 3 yeaoldsYes, it hurts my business. However, if I can figure out a way to participate without it meaning a pay-cut, I WILL! When the market changes, I feel it is my.duty to adapt, or be left behind. I don't count on any politician to make the right decisions. I count on myself. I don't want to be the Blackberry of the child care industry, I want to be the Iphone.

I don't think this happen on a federal level. It might on a state level. But I doubt it. So until it does, I am not going to get my panties in a wad over it, I got bigger things to worry about.
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My3cents 11:01 AM 02-14-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
I support Obama, and my personal and business taxes have gone down during his administration. My property values have gone up. My unemployed nephew has gotten a good job. I am looking forward to pursuing health insurance soon. So no complaints here about our President. I too did want to hear more about immigration, unemployment and bringing manufacturing back to the US.

Now.....on to the topic at hand:

I happily accept state subsidized childcare vouchers, and my state allows (encourages us, actually) to charge subsidy parents the difference between my published rate and their rate. In other words, accepting subsidy does not hurt my bottom line, and actually brings me joy to know I am helping someone by accepting it. My place is quite pricey, most
(if not all) of other pricey places refuse subsidy.

I do not like the current free preschool for 4 year olds, and I do not support it for 3 yeaoldsYes, it hurts my business. However, if I can figure out a way to participate without it meaning a pay-cut, I WILL! When the market changes, I feel it is my.duty to adapt, or be left behind. I don't count on any politician to make the right decisions. I count on myself. I don't want to be the Blackberry of the child care industry, I want to be the Iphone.

I don't think this happen on a federal level. It might on a state level. But I doubt it. So until it does, I am not going to get my panties in a wad over it, I got bigger things to worry about.
you are lucky here- My state will not let you charge parents more then what the state will pay for daycare- How is that fair to me? I am a business and I have a contract but if I want to accept state children I have to go by the states contract. No- Everything I have to go through to be licensed and run and I am going to be bossed into someone else running my business. No and that stinks because I do like to help others.
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Willow 05:29 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Kaddidle Care:
NOTHING is FREE - it is paid by the property owners of the town. This too will be paid by the taxpayers.


That's why I put free in quotations
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Kaddidle Care 05:45 PM 02-13-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:


That's why I put free in quotations
Ahh - but you didn't in the Kindergarten part. LOL
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itlw8 06:20 PM 02-13-2013
while I do believe every child should be able to attend a high quality preschool program at this point where would the money come from. Head Start is not providing services to all those who need it and qualify because there is not enough money.

Universal preschool would be provided through public schools usually so 9 months out of the year. It would mean you would need a BA in education. And except for summer and christmas break we would only be able to care for infant /toddlers. Me personally I will get out of the business.
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