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Old 01-24-2013, 06:19 AM
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At pick-up last night my DCG fell and landed bottom first on the corner of my wooden time-out chair RIGHT NEXT to DCM. DCM had been here for a few minutes and was on her way out. Now this morning DCM asked for an injury report! I was under the assumption that once parents arrive inside my home that the children are then their responsibility. Plus she was literally INCHES from her daughter. She already knows what happened! Any advice? Should I type up the report?
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:29 AM
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I wouldn't give her one. She was there standing next to her daughter, it wasn't "on your watch". No way I would give her one. Unless it said, "Susie fell and injured her bottom on a chair today while playing next to her mother."
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:39 AM
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sure why not. write it just as it happened. If mom was questioned about the bruise she has documentation.

dcg tripped over her own feet because she was running. She hit the corner of a chair with her bottom. Dcm was with her so parent did not need to be notified.
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I wouldn't give her one. She was there standing next to her daughter, it wasn't "on your watch". No way I would give her one. Unless it said, "Susie fell and injured her bottom on a chair today while playing next to her mother."
I would give her one.

"dcg fell at pickup time while leaving with Mom." Have Mom sign that she witnessed it.

I personally feel that it is silly, but dcg was injured while on your property.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:43 AM
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give her one but make sure you mention that mom witnessed the accident too, just incase.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:50 AM
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sure why not. write it just as it happened. If mom was questioned about the bruise she has documentation.

dcg tripped over her own feet because she was running. She hit the corner of a chair with her bottom. Dcm was with her so parent did not need to be notified.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:52 AM
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I would give her one.

"dcg fell at pickup time while leaving with Mom." Have Mom sign that she witnessed it.

I personally feel that it is silly, but dcg was injured while on your property.
That's true,I didn't think about it still being your property. I'm thinking along the lines of her using accident reports against you. But worded properly, it wouldn't be an issue.
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Old 01-24-2013, 06:59 AM
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Sure I'd make one up for her, BUT I'd be 100% clear in my wording that DCM was right there with her daughter when it happened and saw the entire thing - happened as they were heading home etc.
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Ok. Here is what I put on the report.

DCG fell at pick-up time while leaving with her Mother. She landed on her bottom on the corner of a chair. Her Mother was present during the occurrence.

How does that sound?

Should I add that my husband was also present?
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How about:

At the end of the day during pick-up time, DCG fell while in the care of her mother. She landed on her bottom on the corner of a chair.
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:32 AM
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I don't think you need to put your hubby was there, her own Mother was there for goodness sake!

I would add it happened at the front door, during pick-up and also why/how she fell i.e. she tripped, she was jumping and fell over the corner of the chiar etc. Otherwise I think it's great!
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Hand her a blank incident report and tell her once she fills it out you will sign it and copy and return the copy to her.

HAVE HER FILL IT OUT... completely by herself. If you agree with what she has said then sign.

Any custody issues with this kid?
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I would give her one.

"dcg fell at pickup time while leaving with Mom." Have Mom sign that she witnessed it.

I personally feel that it is silly, but dcg was injured while on your property.
This is exactly what I would write for the dcm!
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:45 AM
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I hadn't thought of that....lol. And no custody issues with her parents. Her Mother is just funny like that. She also brought a pillow for DCG to sit on today and asked me to let her sit on an ice-pack a few times today. If she is so concerned I feel she should have taken DCG to the doctor. Lol
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Old 01-24-2013, 07:46 AM
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Not only would I give her one, I would add a part that says that the parent needs to control the child's behavior when present.

Like nannyde asked is there a current custody battle?
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She sounds a bit odd. What is her intention. BECAUSE she asked for it, I would be definately filling one out and writing exactly what she was doing and also say that she was technically in the custody and supervision of her mother and not you. Make sure that mom signs it and you keep the original.

How did the dcg do that anyway? Was she screwing around?
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Really? Pillows and ice packs? That does seem a tad over the top!
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:27 AM
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HOW exactly did she fall? Was she standing on the chair?

This one is on mom.

I would absolutely refuse to fill anything out.

I would take Nan's advice and let mom fill out her own incident report and I would also require mom to state that she choose NOT to bring child to see a doctor.
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I hadn't thought of that....lol. And no custody issues with her parents. Her Mother is just funny like that. She also brought a pillow for DCG to sit on today and asked me to let her sit on an ice-pack a few times today. If she is so concerned I feel she should have taken DCG to the doctor. Lol
I would want to say "I'm sorry but she cannot be here if she cannot participate in daily activities...."

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Old 01-24-2013, 08:54 AM
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The DCG was standing next to her Mom already in her coat & hat. Mom was rushing her out the door- she had a "bad" day at work and was in a hurry to get home. My time-out chair is about a foot away from the front door. I had turned away to deal with 4 yr old DCB so I did not see exactly what happened, I just heard her hit the chair & start crying. DCM comforted her and left with DCG still crying.
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Wow, she's being dramatic. I would tell her if she thinks she is that injured to take her to the doctors and bring a note back from the doctor saying she is fine and can participate normally.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:58 AM
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Really ice pack and pillow.............UGH it sounds like my parents have taken over your town.....I can't stand it when people over react.


I would have done the same and said I am really sorry, but if your child needs all of that extra special attention to make it through her day today, I am going to have to send her home. I need to be able to meet all of the kids needs and can't let her needs take away from the rest of the group....


How is this mom on a normal bases?
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How is this mom on a normal bases?
Oh normally she is fine....although a hypochondriac herself....lol
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Oh normally she is fine....although a hypochondriac herself....lol
uuuggggghh.....and let me guess this is her first born?

I have a DCM that took her daughter to the ER because her hang nail was bleeding......LOL when the DCM told me I accidentally let out a little bit of laughter......Oooppppssssss..
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I am seriously cracking up over ice pack and pillow for a fall on her tush. Is it bruised? If Mom persists *I* would insist on a visit to the pediatrician to make sure that her hiney is ok.

Is dcg complaining at all?
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"I'm sorry, those incident reports are so parents have a written explanation of how, when and where an accident or incident occurred. Since you were here and saw with your own eyes how, when and where it occurred, the report is unnecessary"
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I would check your regs. In WI, if any incident occures on your property, it has to be logged. As the other's stated, though, make sure to document fully that she was in mom's presence.

Oh, and "medical attention" is required (even if the doctor laughs hysterically), then we have to fill out an INCIDENT REPORT, which must be sent to licensing. Otherwise, we could be cited for........"failure to report the death or injury of a child". Nice lumping of concepts there, eh? Same reason bills never move through Congress...lol. Our goverment likes to lump things together alot for ahem, "efficiency".
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This mom needs to get a hobby. It's called "paying attention to her kid at drop offs and pick ups!"
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uuuggggghh.....and let me guess this is her first born?..
No....this is her second. Her first born is 16 years old. I have DCPs that have their first baby in my care right now and they are more laid back about boo boos that this DCM is...lol
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No....this is her second. Her first born is 16 years old. I have DCPs that have their first baby in my care right now and they are more laid back about boo boos that this DCM is...lol
lol.....oh man....that stinks. how is the LO doing? has she even uttered a word about her bum?
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Old 01-24-2013, 03:14 PM
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lol.....oh man....that stinks. how is the LO doing? has she even uttered a word about her bum?
She has played normally all day. Once in a while she will say her hiney hurts. I have given her tylenol per Mom's request. And she is staying over tonight so Mom & Dad can go shoot pool...they can't be too concerned.
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The DCG was standing next to her Mom already in her coat & hat. Mom was rushing her out the door- she had a "bad" day at work and was in a hurry to get home. My time-out chair is about a foot away from the front door. I had turned away to deal with 4 yr old DCB so I did not see exactly what happened, I just heard her hit the chair & start crying. DCM comforted her and left with DCG still crying.
Since she asked for an injury report, I would fill out the report myself and include the details you just gave us. I would describe in full how dcm was rushing dcg out the door and include what mom said to give you the idea she had had a bad day and was in a hurry to get home. "DCM stated...... She said was in a hurry to get home because..." I would also clearly state the child was in the custody of her mother when she fell.

I look at an injury report as something that can be used in court should a parent try to sue me for an injury. I want any and all details that pertain to the situation in the report. That way, if the parent does try to sue me at some later date, I have all of the info written down when the incident is still fresh in my mind. I would definitely have her sign the report and I'd keep a copy in the child's file. If she refuses to sign it, I would notate that and still keep a copy on file.

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Wow, she's being dramatic. I would tell her if she thinks she is that injured to take her to the doctors and bring a note back from the doctor saying she is fine and can participate normally.
I would do this, too - mostly because she requested the injury report. I would want that piece of information in the child's file as one more layer of proof that the child's injury was minor and the child was fine outside of a bruise. If she refuses to bring the child to the dr. or says it's not necessary, I'd note that on the report.
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no offense to your advice, but when you make a report ONLY add the facts of what you do know. I would not add the mom was having a bad day. WHy? YOu can't prove that.
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I wouldn't say, "Mom was having a bad day" but I would include any details that pointed to that fact if it contributed to the accident, which in this case, it seems to have. JMO, though.
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Did the mom sign the child out so she was her responsibility? You said you turned your back to go to another child so I'm assuming you already said goodbye and walked away. You did not witness it, but if you think about the best ways to write up a report you can easily make it a detailed FACT on what happened if you use the right wording. It is the right thing to do. If you saw it happen and noticed it bruised the next day you would fill one out just in case. The only thing I don't like it that you didn't see it and it was 50/50 on whose watch. Also, I don't fill out reports unless blood is involved or a bump or bruise or bite mark.

Just make sure to include that mom witnessed (such and such, whichever words she used). When the incident happened you already said goodbye and were out of the room as she was leaving with mom, but when you heard the noise and cry you came back and mom was comforting child as she was leaving without any communication to provider. Incident report was created next morning when child returned with (bump, bruise, etc) in the location.

My incident reports have a section where you do a followup plan or what to change. You could write something their too, but I have no advice as I'm not exactly 100% what happened. I would still do a report either way and I would NOT let mom fill the paperwork out. That is asking for trouble because you are only doing it that way to see how she words it and most likely you will not like how she words it causing drama.
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Fill out a report just stating the facts, but including mom was next to her (my report asks who the child was playing with), and have her sign and date it. Then put it in the kids file. Pretty much end of story to me. She has her report filled out and you have your butt covered. And if they are going out to play pool leaving dck at your house overnight, then they aren't too concerned.
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Well DCD picked up today. I gave him the injury report, he signed it and said nothing. I hope this is the end of it ;-)
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This was a very entertaining thread to read . I know that I'm at the end of the thread here at missed all of the excitement so I'll just suggest that if you don't already have something in your policy add something now that says that once the parent arrives you are not responsible.

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Did the mom sign the child out so she was her responsibility? You said you turned your back to go to another child so I'm assuming you already said goodbye and walked away. You did not witness it, but if you think about the best ways to write up a report you can easily make it a detailed FACT on what happened if you use the right wording. It is the right thing to do. If you saw it happen and noticed it bruised the next day you would fill one out just in case. The only thing I don't like it that you didn't see it and it was 50/50 on whose watch. Also, I don't fill out reports unless blood is involved or a bump or bruise or bite mark.

Just make sure to include that mom witnessed (such and such, whichever words she used). When the incident happened you already said goodbye and were out of the room as she was leaving with mom, but when you heard the noise and cry you came back and mom was comforting child as she was leaving without any communication to provider. Incident report was created next morning when child returned with (bump, bruise, etc) in the location.

My incident reports have a section where you do a followup plan or what to change. You could write something their too, but I have no advice as I'm not exactly 100% what happened. I would still do a report either way and I would NOT let mom fill the paperwork out. That is asking for trouble because you are only doing it that way to see how she words it and most likely you will not like how she words it causing drama.
I was told that even though the parents sign them out and assumes the responsibility of the child, this does not mean you are not liable.
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I was told that even though the parents sign them out and assumes the responsibility of the child, this does not mean you are not liable.
My insurance agent said the same thing.

Essentially it is like anyone else being injured on your property (if dcm fell, a neighbor, a relative, etc) there is a chance you COULD be sued and held liable.

It is for THIS exact reason that I am putting a fence around the front yard. It's a large grassed area, and dcp's allow their children to run to their cars, which scares the daylights out of me as other people pull in/out at the same time. I ALWAYS remind kids to 'hold Mommy/Daddy's hand until you get into your seat so that you are SAFE.'

I had a child run right into the road/in front of a row of hedges/landscaped area because Mom said he didn't have to hold her hand, and was ALMOST hit by a car, (within 2-3 feet). The driver was a WRECK and had to pul over and compose herself for a bit. I told that dcm she either HELD HIS HAND or I would term immediately. No problems since.
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My insurance agent also said the same thing but when I talked to a lawyer (I'm in CA) he said that unless it was something that I was negligent on then I couldn't be held liable. Some examples that he gave were if the floor was littered with toys and the DCK tripped on one then I could still be held liable because it's my responsibility to make sure that the area is safe. If however I had it in my handbook that for safety reasons I require that all parents hold their kids hands when they leave and they didn't and the child ran into the street and got hurt then the parent would be responsible.

In this case because the child was being rushed by the parent and the child tripped on her own feet then I doubt that the provider could be held liable. But it always depends on the circumstances and how the situation is interpreted.
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I would give her one.

"dcg fell at pickup time while leaving with Mom." Have Mom sign that she witnessed it.

I personally feel that it is silly, but dcg was injured while on your property.
LOL. Yes, this.
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That is strange that she would ask for one. I actually have it in my handbook that when the parent is there, the child is their responsibility.
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