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Old 07-16-2014, 07:26 AM
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If so I am curious as to what your experience is in doing that.

I went to a training last night where we were given info on funding that is now available for FCC providers to partner with Early Head Start programs in our area.

This collaboration sounds like it would be a good idea but there are a few things that I am not comfortable with so I am just wondering if any other FCC providers in other states or areas in my state are partnering with Early Head Start in this capacity and what your experiences are in doing so.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ecd/...e-partnerships
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Old 07-16-2014, 07:34 AM
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I am looking into this too! Thanks for posting. I was at a training that mentioned this is a great partnership. My YWCA offers assistance with setting it up. I will post any information I find in my own research.
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I am very interested in this. I've contacted our local Head Start Program several times, but they don't return my phone calls.

My sister did this for a while until they cut the funding for that program, and she liked it. The only thing was there is a lot of documentation required.
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I am very interested in this. I've contacted our local Head Start Program several times, but they don't return my phone calls.

My sister did this for a while until they cut the funding for that program, and she liked it. The only thing was there is a lot of documentation required.
Well so far from what I gather, they want FCC providers to basically run a "mini" early Head Start program in their homes/programs and EHS will provide a mentor/trainer/advisor person to assist the provider in making sure everything meets the EHS standards buuuuuut, they will ONLY allow you to have 6 kids TOTAL in care (which is ok for some states but that would only be half of the # of kids I have now) and to make it beneficial for the provider they are willing to pay $100 per week for each child (infant and toddler ONLY) that is participating in the EHS.

They said the $100 was so that providers could afford the materials and equipment and supplies that they need to meet those EHS standards.

My issue is that what they are really doing is having you (the FCC provider) care for the child until a space at EHS opens for them and then the family moves along and you (the FCC provider) loses the kid.

For me, if I dropped down to 6 kids, the lose of the other 4-6 kids I normally had would not be made up by that $100 a kid because whether I have 6 or 12 kids enrolled I can only have 3-4 infant and toddlers so that $400 would NOT equate for the loss of income.

So again, while I do think it is a good idea...it just seems like it is a benefit for Head Start and not at all a benefit for FCC providers.


ETA: I have NO idea how this will or won't work...I'm just thinking outloud about what I have been told so far...
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So, basically you will be doing the prep work so that head start kids look great. That will make head start look quite successful, so hopefully they plan to give you all the credit for that!
Sounds like quite a deal . For them.
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So, basically you will be doing the prep work so that head start kids look great. That will make head start look quite successful, so hopefully they plan to give you all the credit for that!
Sounds like quite a deal . For them.
LOL!! That's what I was thinking too but wanted to see if others had a different experience because my judgement is clouded and jaded due to past experiences with HS so...
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From what I have heard:

They do want you to keep a smaller group (I can only have 6 preschoolers anyway)
So much of your group would be Head Start Children
Those spots will be paid whether they are full or not

One of my friends is looking into launching it here and I have an email about it. Let me see if I can find it and if there is any other info.
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The email was a questionaire on participating in it.

Sorry I can supply more info!
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I was partnered with head start here for 6 years but now they want a minimum of 3 state funded kids and I generally don't have that and well, we have guns and dogs so they can no longer insure me.
I got a dollar an hour for each qualifying kid. They did bring me some supplies and would photocopy and laminate for me. I loved my HS lady that came once a week for an hour. We would go for a walk and talk. Nice to have someone to bounce things off of.
It was A LOT of paperwork. And they had to come in to evaluate their kids on a regular basis and that took a lot of time.
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I've heard a little bit about it, was approached by our ... liason? but as someone else has said, here it only counts of the kids would qualify for head start income levels, which, in my case, I have very few (or none) of.
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If so I am curious as to what your experience is in doing that.

I went to a training last night where we were given info on funding that is now available for FCC providers to partner with Early Head Start programs in our area.

This collaboration sounds like it would be a good idea but there are a few things that I am not comfortable with so I am just wondering if any other FCC providers in other states or areas in my state are partnering with Early Head Start in this capacity and what your experiences are in doing so.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ecd/...e-partnerships
I looked into it mainly because of the grant that comes with it and was warned to stay away unless I wanted to lose control of my business....it seems there is an alterior motive behind this. I was also told if I qualified to partner with hs I would still fall under licensing but still have Head Start rules/regs as well...
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*sigh*

will there ever be a federally funded program that promotes and supports us?

....seems everything they push/advertise goes against supporting the small business owner/"family" care provider.
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*sigh*

will there ever be a federally funded program that promotes and supports us?

....seems everything they push/advertise goes against supporting the small business owner/"family" care provider.
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Government programs seem to want a "script" for how to achieve the generic results that look good on paper. Do 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. and a successful citizen will emerge from the child.

Why don't children come with a handbook? Because they are individuals.
You can't do exactly the same thing with each child and have each one be equally successful.

That is why each parent is different. And each child care provider is different.
And even the ones who say they do the same exact thing with each child, also say that they will not provide certain kinds of care. Hence, those children end up with a different provider, who uses different methods, that hopefully help that child achieve his or her potential.
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LOL!! That's what I was thinking too but wanted to see if others had a different experience because my judgement is clouded and jaded due to past experiences with HS so...
You could pay me a million dollars and I would never work in a HS again. I did my student teaching in a HS and was hired through another one that was board of education affiliated. Which basically meant I was a boe employee. I had benefits, teacher salary, and would qualify for tenure. I saw a lot of things that weren't supposed to go on. Not abuse, but ideals not being upheld. I also saw a lot of uncertified teacher being hired, because they would be paid sub wage and the admin would keep the rest. This was not in an area with a teacher shortage. My third year, the year before I would make tenure, they fired me during Christmas break. I literally got a letter in the mail telling me I was let go. I can't remember the bogus excuse I got. Another thing I won't forget is for weeks I called them to get my things that I purchased with my own money. Thankfully, my husband is a cop and everything had a address label. He to threaten legal action if I didn't get things I had paid for. When I was finally "allowed" to get my things, they had the new teacher get it and she a B! Smirking and hair flipping and just thinking she the queen of the universe. I'm not a violent person, but I would have liked to slap her. The best is, my containers had labels on the lid and the bottom. If you saw them, you would think the labels were only on the top. They were ripped off. Like you could see residue. Not normal wear and tear. They must have tried to steal my stuff and saw I put multiple labels and gave up. A few months later, I started my own daycare. Anyway, August of that year I got a call asking if I would like to be a substitute. That if I played my cards right I MIGHT be able to be teacher, but I would starting out with a first year teacher salary. It was all a dog and pony show to deny me tenure and lower my salary. HS is a very shady corporation. They will do anything to save a penny. Also, if you agree to this you will be getting bottom of the barrel parents. Parents who send their children in dirty and hungry but the parents will have hair done and their nails done. Make you wait past closing time. That's why you're getting the 100 dollars extra. They know these parents will be late or do other costly things.
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They are trying to gain control of your business.

They want employees under the pretense of independent contractors/business owners.

I am going through this right now (with another entity).

“You are not a teacher, never tell the parents you’ll teach them anything.”


Months later…


“We have a great program Teaching Strategies GOLD and when you have time; sign-in and complete a few modules on your own time.”

Today….

“How many modules have you completely? Your lesson plans need to be approved through Teaching Strategies GOLD! I’ll have to put not met on your inspection.”



RUN! RUN! RUN!
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
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Old 10-29-2015, 07:23 AM
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
Way to bash home daycares.

As an EX employee of Head Start, I find VERY little of what you said to be true.

As a matter of fact, my standards in my own independently operated family child care are MUCH higher than the standards followed by Head Start.

Head Start is a multi-billion dollar failure that does nothing more than a good quality in home family child care provider can do. Just ask the Federal government who conducted the study itself.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...nally-released
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids.
If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
Um, wow. Such ignorance.
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Way to bash home daycares.

As an EX employee of Head Start, I find VERY little of what you said to be true.

As a matter of fact, my standards in my own independently operated family child care are MUCH higher than the standards followed by Head Start.

Head Start is a multi-billion dollar failure that does nothing more than a good quality in home family child care provider can do. Just ask the Federal government who conducted the study itself.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...nally-released


I had a 3.5 year old come to me from head start this spring. She was MILES behind my daycare kids in learning. Couldn't count to 10, didn't know ABC's, spoke in baby talk (her needs to go pee pee). The three's at my place are working on phonics and sight words, while the head start kid couldn't identify more than 6 letters. Head Start CLAIMED that she knew these things, but she did not. Formal early education like Head Start is not developmentally appropriate, in my opinion, and the Head Start kids I have seen are behind academically and socially.

Also, my kids' caregiver can use words like STANDARDS and THEIR and THERE appropriately.
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Way to bash home daycares.

As an EX employee of Head Start, I find VERY little of what you said to be true.

As a matter of fact, my standards in my own independently operated family child care are MUCH higher than the standards followed by Head Start.

Head Start is a multi-billion dollar failure that does nothing more than a good quality in home family child care provider can do. Just ask the Federal government who conducted the study itself.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...nally-released
Right!
I find it amusing that the poster then goes on to mention the *basic* New York licensing standards, nothing really "extra" except taxpayer money to supply things no provider should not be allowed to start without anyway (and there are grants either through CCR&R or CSEA) As a licensed in home, I already have to have material under my play set (which I did before it was mandated) I already have to have age appropriate curriculum (which, as a former preschool teacher I had from day 1) TV has never been condoned by licensing and the new regs go further with it (I've been screen free since day 1, so not an issue for me) I don't take infants but I've been pretty vocal about my feelings on "container babies" (and I'm fairly sure walkers aren't permitted by licensing) I already take attendance, do daily health checks, drills, etc etc etc My assistant has a BA and taught Kindegarten ( higher education level than Head Start asst). I pay over minimum wage (and I know our Head Start has assistants making NY min wage because I've read the job advertisments) my neighbor is a lead teacher at Head Start and maybe clear 30,000 a year. I easily double that. Why would I want to go from being a business owner who sets my own policies, hours, days off to become a Head Start employee? What a step backwards.

I see *nothing* that Head Start could offer that I don't already have and provide for my families. But most of my clients are educated professionals who wouldn't want their kids involved with Head Start anyway. As one mom said to me "I wouldn't send my DOG to head start"
They chose an in home provider because they want an in home service. And frankly many of them are becoming more and more disgusted with licensing and choosing to use unlicenesed care or families over licensed as it is.
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Oh! I did remember one thing that our local Head Start has that I don't -

Scabies and head lice.

But I refuse to start offering those
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Oh! I did remember one thing that our local Head Start has that I don't -

Scabies and head lice.

But I refuse to start offering those
I literally just snorted my coffee....
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Unregistered you have made some assumptions which are frankly inappropriate and insulting.

You said:"In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start."

In this comment you assume the wonderful men and women here who run home daycares do not truly care about the children left in their care. This is very far from the truth.


You said: "As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job."

These folks have their own bushiness already.

You said: "Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement."

This is so far from the truth and so very condescending. You assume that all these wonderful providers do is sit the kid in front a TV and let them do as they choose. What they do is provide the children in their care a rich environment to learn. They help them and teach them what they need to know for the future.


So unregistered before you go insulting these fine people how about you learn to be a bit kinder to these people. Just because they have had different experience than you doesn't make what they have seen less valid.
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
Wow, I don't think any of the providers here falls into the picture you paint. Do you really treat the providers you visit this way? If so one visit from you and I would count HS out if I hadn't already. Not to mention, my DD went to a head start and at the time I didn't know what it was really supposed to be. What it ended up being was the same thing I offered in my daycare, open ended play. Not that it hurt her, but it didn't really give her a "head start" either.
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
No. Just no. Maybe in your area but not here. I have a masters degree in early childhood special education. I am a licensed early childhood special educator in the state of California. I left the field of teaching to get away from No Child Left Behind and all the other new government nonsense that claims to help kids but is not.

Head Start just started the fcc "partership" here and I was thrilled because they seemed to offer so much support for kids with special needs. I am a tier 5 (highest level of quality) inclusive program. I called them and invited them out. They asked me to make a series of improvements to my yard, at my expense. I did. They inspected again and requested more improvements. I made them, at my expense.

After all this the Head Start representative said, and by the way you have to cap your program enrollment at 12. What? 75% of my kids are part time. I have been open for a year and rarely get calls for full time kids. If I capped my enrollment, I would have to close my doors. Head Start would not compensate me enough extra to make up the loss of income.

To boot, capping enrollment does nothing to improve the quality of my program. I maintain a 6:1 ratio. I never have more than one under 12 months, or one between the ages of 12-23 months.

In California, the cost of doing business is astronomical. If Head Start truly wants to partner with family childcares, they need to take into consideration that we are for profit businesses. I love working with kids and I wouldn't have gone to college for 8 years if I didn't have a passion for what I do. But, I can't operate at a loss to prove that passion. That is an unreasonable expectation for Head Start to have.

And yes, I did share my experience and concerns with the local Head Start grantee. They were ignored.
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
Ahem

Maybe you Head Start folks need to fix up your own house before you come knocking on our door.

Have you spent a moment looking at your abysmal track record when it comes to academic outcomes of your kids?

Head Start is a social program. At least that's what they stomp and shout when their kids are tested by someone who doesn't have a monkey in their circus. Why in the world would Head Start want to turn home providers into successful educational machines when you don't have any experience in your own program? Why in the world would we partner with you if education outcomes were our goal. I would rather partner with an online computer program than Head Start.

Seriously, please please look at your outcomes. I promise you my outcomes exceed yours by leaps and bounds.
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Never partnered with headstart, but my son went to one for about 3 days before I pulled him. Too many kids, no structure, the teachers were just plain weird. It left me feeling off when I would drop him off. After the third day of finding them outside at pick up in 90 degree heat with no shade and no water, I asked if this was the normal routine, because I was told to go to his classroom for pick up and since it is so hot outside and the kids are pink and just standing around, it didn't seem good to have them outside. The teacher laughed at me and said "as long as the sun is out, we are outside!". I have done daycare for years and I would never keep young kids out in direct sun in 90 degree heat. None of them were playing, just standing around waiting to be picked up and my son would have bad headaches (he is heat sensitive) after we got home and just lay around. He said he liked going out side int he morning, because it wasn;t so hot, but he would rather play with all the cool blocks and toys, but the teacher doesn't want them to make a mess, so they have to go outside. Anyway, none of it sat well with me, so we quit and I have never regretted it I heard a lot of bad stuff about it after we quit, so I my mom instincts paid off!
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The only thing I could say about Headstart would be negative AND it is NOT in the best interest of FCC to partner with them. Need I say more?
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Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one.

This right here is my issue with HS!
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This right here is my issue with HS!
Mine too. One-to-one intervention is NOT best practice, even in early intervention settings. Best practice is classroom and parent support. This means specialists come in and coach parents and teachers on strategies to support the child's development. The parents and teachers use the strategies with the child to promote development. There should be minimal direct therapy to ensure minimum time away from family and peers.

And don't even get me started on the constant developmental screenings/assessments.
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
Are you SERIOUS? This run on paragraph sounds like something a third grader would write. The way you denigrate family child care is laughable. I get kids from head start EVERY SINGLE YEAR after the parents realize that the FREE care is mediocre, at best. You get what you pay for.

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Way to bash home daycares.

As an EX employee of Head Start, I find VERY little of what you said to be true.

As a matter of fact, my standards in my own independently operated family child care are MUCH higher than the standards followed by Head Start.

Head Start is a multi-billion dollar failure that does nothing more than a good quality in home family child care provider can do. Just ask the Federal government who conducted the study itself.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...nally-released
multi-billion dollar failure--- AMEN! It would be BETTER if the government put funding into sliding scale child care subsidies so that parents could chose their own high quality program.

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I had a 3.5 year old come to me from head start this spring. She was MILES behind my daycare kids in learning. Couldn't count to 10, didn't know ABC's, spoke in baby talk (her needs to go pee pee). The three's at my place are working on phonics and sight words, while the head start kid couldn't identify more than 6 letters. Head Start CLAIMED that she knew these things, but she did not. Formal early education like Head Start is not developmentally appropriate, in my opinion, and the Head Start kids I have seen are behind academically and socially.

Also, my kids' caregiver can use words like STANDARDS and THEIR and THERE appropriately.
I have had the same experiences. Every child that has come from local UPK or head start is terribly behind.

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I find it amusing that the poster then goes on to mention the *basic* New York licensing standards, nothing really "extra" except taxpayer money to supply things no provider should be allowed to start without anyway (and there are grants either through CCR&R or CSEA) As a licensed in home, I already have to have material under my play set (which I did before it was mandated) I already have to have age appropriate curriculum (which, as a former preschool teacher I had from day 1) TV has never been condoned by licensing and the new regs go further with it (I've been screen free since day 1, so not an issue for me) I don't take infants but I've been pretty vocal about my feelings on "container babies" (and I'm fairly sure walkers aren't permitted by licensing) I already take attendance, do daily health checks, drills, etc etc etc My assistant has a BA and taught Kindegarten ( higher education level than Head Start asst). I pay over minimum wage (and I know our Head Start has assistants making NY min wage because I've read the job advertisments) my neighbor is a lead teacher at Head Start and maybe clear 30,000 a year. I easily double that. Why would I want to go from being a business owner who sets my own policies, hours, days off to become a Head Start employee? What a step backwards.

I see *nothing* that Head Start could offer that I don't already have and provide for my families. But most of my clients are educated professionals who wouldn't want their kids involved with Head Start anyway. As one mom said to me "I wouldn't send my DOG to head start"
They chose an in home provider because they want an in home service. And frankly many of them are becoming more and more disgusted with licensing and choosing to use unlicenesed care or families over licensed as it is.
I couldn't have been licensed without the things she listed.
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Are you SERIOUS? This run on paragraph sounds like something a third grader would write. The way you denigrate family child care is laughable. I get kids from head start EVERY SINGLE YEAR after the parents realize that the FREE care is mediocre, at best. You get what you pay for.
I couldn't get past the incorrect use of "there" rather than their.


multi-billion dollar failure--- AMEN! It would be BETTER if the government put funding into sliding scale child care subsidies so that parents could chose their own high quality program.



I have had the same experiences. Every child that has come from local UPK or head start is terribly behind.



I couldn't have been licensed without the things she listed.
Exactly.
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I stopped reading when I realized that I was reading a massive 500 word sentence full of crappy grammar and misspellings, and tons of shade being thrown at FCC providers.

I used to live in an urban area with pretty lousy childcare options...either sketchy church-run centers or home providers who let the kids play in the park and eat McDonald's for lunch all day...so Headstart was the best option many times. But believe me that isn't saying much.

I don't know what this person was trying to achieve with this diatribe. I never know why people come on a daycare forum and bash daycare
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Hello i'm A Family case worker for the Early Head Start Child Care Partnership Program in Buffalo N.Y. and I love the New EHS-CCPP. In our defense i will say that it depends on your passion for the kids. If you truly want to raise your standers then i would suggest partnering with head start. We will pay the difference so you can raise the salary of your teachers, because most family, centers and /or group daycare are only paying their staff minimum wage, this will also allow you to hire better teachers (all headstart teacher must be certified in child care and we will pay for them to get that accreditation if they do not have it). We will rehabilitate your facility so it's safer and more child friendly(building a gate in the back yard, redoing your floor, laying carpet, fixing and supplying appliances, putting soft rubbery material out side where most would have the kids playing on concrete). Our goal is to partner with daycares in poverty stricken area codes. So yes we service families that are in need. As a Family Partner i will do home-visits with the family and walk them though completing there goals such as getting there GED going back to college, starting there own business, or getting a better job. Oh yeah...If the parent loses there subsidy because they received a better job then Headstart will cover the child-care for the rest of the year. Each child in your center will receive constant developmental screenings and if they are not developed at the appropriate level then specialist will come out and work with them one on one. Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement. Oh yeah did i mention that we supply diapers and wipes (formula, if your center does not participate in the food program). We will supply you with cubbies, toys and puppets and other equipment that goes along with our curriculum. We will even install a second sink seeing as though that many Daycares are washing, hand changing diapers, washing dishes and preparing food out of the same sink. I have visited some daycare where they keep the kids in the basement and the basement actually looks like a basement. While the owners lives upstart in luxury in the rest of the home. Yes there is more paper work, but most of the paperwork is some thing that should have been done before even partnering with headstart. like taking attendance, health records, assessments, inspections, daily progress notes and other things that come with child care.
There, their, they're. I wonder if this is a hoax? It's hard to imagine a representative of any early intervention service coming off as so ignorant. Then again, I haven't had much experience with the public education system lately so who knows?

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For those currently in a Early Head Start partnership, are you allowed to implement your own curriculum? I'd like to use Waldorf ECE in my daycare program.

Also, with the menu options provided, is it possible to request only plant based food items?
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For those currently in a Early Head Start partnership, are you allowed to implement your own curriculum? I'd like to use Waldorf ECE in my daycare program.

Also, with the menu options provided, is it possible to request only plant based food items?
The HS representative in your area can give you the best answers; however, it's unlikely they would allow you to deviate from their curriculum or the USDA food program guidelines. I considered partnering with them in California and they would have required me to use Frog Street Press for my curriculum. They also require portfolios, assessments, and strict adherence to health/safety guidelines. (Including following USDA meal guidelines).

I was in central California, so your area may be somewhat different. I wouldn't expect it to vary much though. Head Start tends to have pretty uniform standards.
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*sigh*

will there ever be a federally funded program that promotes and supports us?

....seems everything they push/advertise goes against supporting the small business owner/"family" care provider.
One of the main reasons I want to go into a home based program vs staying teaching in a school setting is the freedom. Generally federally funded programs come with red tape - No Child Left Behind, Race to the Top, Common Core - which is what I most look forward to leaving behind. Out of sincere inquiry why is it you would want a federally funded program to support home daycare, what am I missing?

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Your curriculum will also have to change. That means no more leaving babies sitting in high chairs and walkers and cribs all day. No more Television either, unless it apart of the curriculum. That means no more sitting in front of the TV watching frozen, Disney cartoons or PBS either. Teacher are going to have to get on the floor with the babies and engage them 100% of the time. The curriculum will allow the kids to receive more physical action and human engagement.
This is offensive to the AMAZING programs offered in-home.
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One of the main reasons I want to go into a home based program vs staying teaching in a school setting is the freedom. Generally federally funded programs come with red tape - No Child Left Behind, Race to the Top, Common Core - which is what I most look forward to leaving behind. Out of sincere inquiry why is it you would want a federally funded program to support home daycare, what am I missing?
It's not that I want a federally funded program; its more about the fact that early childhood is a HUGE business and one of THE biggest participants-influences are childcare providers and/or family daycares yet the Department of Families & Children does nothing to support these contributors/providers/businesses and instead enacts programs that force the caregivers out of business and these families into options that mimic "school" for even our youngest children straight into the Department of Education.

Which even they acknowledge is not DAP or beneficial; just expensive.

Money children

Its one hand slapping the other..

Ive got tons more to say about the discrepancies and inconsistencies of this topic but I'm on vacation and want to stay in relaxation mode so... that's the Cliff Note version...
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It's not that I want a federally funded program; its more about the fact that early childhood is a HUGE business and one of THE biggest participants-influences are childcare providers and/or family daycares yet the Department of Families & Children does nothing to support these contributors/providers/businesses and instead enacts programs that force the caregivers out of business and these families into options that mimic "school" for even our youngest children straight into the Department of Education.

Which even they acknowledge is not DAP or beneficial; just expensive.

Money children

Its one hand slapping the other..

Ive got tons more to say about the discrepancies and inconsistencies of this topic but I'm on vacation and want to stay in relaxation mode so... that's the Cliff Note version...
That I understand! Thanks for taking the time to explain - I felt like I must be missing something but that is something I too struggled with too the current school standards have shifted and what children are expected to do in younger grades is not age appropriate and I can go on and on in that area so I can only imagine...

I too am on vacation in NYC, but when I saw this thread it was hard not to post and I had to ask you
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The HS representative in your area can give you the best answers; however, it's unlikely they would allow you to deviate from their curriculum or the USDA food program guidelines. I considered partnering with them in California and they would have required me to use Frog Street Press for my curriculum. They also require portfolios, assessments, and strict adherence to health/safety guidelines. (Including following USDA meal guidelines).

I was in central California, so your area may be somewhat different. I wouldn't expect it to vary much though. Head Start tends to have pretty uniform standards.
Thanks!
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Way to bash home daycares.

As an EX employee of Head Start, I find VERY little of what you said to be true.

As a matter of fact, my standards in my own independently operated family child care are MUCH higher than the standards followed by Head Start.

Head Start is a multi-billion dollar failure that does nothing more than a good quality in home family child care provider can do. Just ask the Federal government who conducted the study itself.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...nally-released
No kidding!! A lot of generalizing and assumptions! I run a very high quality program.
I stopped doing my observations at our local headstart after a lead teacher called a 1-year-old a bully, and another teacher put a 3mo to bed on his tummy wrapped in a huge blanket. I wasn't going to learn anything there.
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