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TSDaycare 04:07 AM 10-03-2016
Why is it that every parent says their child has allergies and can't just admit they have a cold or sinus issues? ? I feel like it's mainly because they don't want to take off and keep them home, and they don't want to take them to the Dr's either. It's happened with many of my kids, but this 1 year old I have has had a runny nosee at least once a month for the past 4 months I have had him in care......it's always allergies until he passes it to someone else, usually my 1 year old
Blackcat31 06:52 AM 10-03-2016
Originally Posted by TSDaycare:
Why is it that every parent says their child has allergies and can't just admit they have a cold or sinus issues? ? I feel like it's mainly because they don't want to take off and keep them home, and they don't want to take them to the Dr's either. It's happened with many of my kids, but this 1 year old I have has had a runny nosee at least once a month for the past 4 months I have had him in care......it's always allergies until he passes it to someone else, usually my 1 year old
Exclude for allergies. Why is it that every parent says their child has allergies and can't just admit they have a cold or sinus issues? ? I feel like it's mainly because they don't want to take off and keep them home, and they don't want to take them to the Dr's either. It's happened with many of my kids, but this 1 year old I have has had a runny nosee at least once a month for the past 4 months I have had him in care......it's always allergies until he passes it to someone else, usually my 1 year old
This stops parents from using that excuse.
If the child does in fact have allergies, I'd need a statement and written treatment on file from the child's Dr.
If they are seasonally allergies, then I treat those like colds too.... if the symptoms become too much and the child is suffering, then they need to stay home and reduce exposure to those seasonal things that cause flare ups.
Excluding for symptoms instead of actual illnesses or conditions allows you to include symptoms of seasonal allergies (and teething
) into your illness policies which in turn eliminate parent's ability to use those things as excuses. 
JackandJill 07:49 AM 10-03-2016
Start excluding for symptoms. That take the control out of the parents hands and put it back into yours.
This morning sent a little one home who has a fever. Mom kept saying its probably just his teeth. I told her that's fine, but he still can't stay. Excluding for symptoms ends the back and forth with parents
This morning sent a little one home who has a fever. Mom kept saying its probably just his teeth. I told her that's fine, but he still can't stay. Excluding for symptoms ends the back and forth with parents
laundrymom 09:13 AM 10-03-2016
I agree with the symptom exclusion. It doesn't really matter to me if it's a cold or the corn out back, snot is gross to share.
daycare 09:22 AM 10-03-2016
I did what everyone here says.
I got the allergy excuse. I said if your child has allergies, I need a doctors note of diagnosis with treatment plan or I can not keep them in my care. I will exclude them for the symptoms anyways, so it doesnt matter if they have a note or not.
I got the allergy excuse. I said if your child has allergies, I need a doctors note of diagnosis with treatment plan or I can not keep them in my care. I will exclude them for the symptoms anyways, so it doesnt matter if they have a note or not.
MunchkinWrangler 10:01 AM 10-03-2016
Because then that would mean that THEY(the parents) would have to be responsible for their child!!!
I am starting to believe parents do this as a self-actualization...a way of making themselves feel better for trying not to care wile they leave their child, although they might be questioning. We only make them feel worse when we tell them that their little one is not well enough for care. When they realize that it isn't fun taking care of an ill child and it didn't mean life and death....they get mad at us for not being like a nanny. (Full of sarcasm, I am in a mood today).
I get it we all need to work but their kids being sick is a HUGE inconvenience to them!!!
I feel the same but I guess I'm on the other side of the fence because it seems everyone drags their nasty germs (HFM, Impetigo, even lice!!) when I have important things planned for my ds. So I get mad, they get mad, and it just becomes a vicious cycle.
More parody than not but this is seriously what I think the real issue is.
I am starting to believe parents do this as a self-actualization...a way of making themselves feel better for trying not to care wile they leave their child, although they might be questioning. We only make them feel worse when we tell them that their little one is not well enough for care. When they realize that it isn't fun taking care of an ill child and it didn't mean life and death....they get mad at us for not being like a nanny. (Full of sarcasm, I am in a mood today).
I get it we all need to work but their kids being sick is a HUGE inconvenience to them!!!
I feel the same but I guess I'm on the other side of the fence because it seems everyone drags their nasty germs (HFM, Impetigo, even lice!!) when I have important things planned for my ds. So I get mad, they get mad, and it just becomes a vicious cycle.
More parody than not but this is seriously what I think the real issue is.
Mad_Pistachio 10:08 AM 10-03-2016
Originally Posted by JackandJill:
This morning sent a little one home who has a fever. Mom kept saying its probably just his teeth.
in some cultures, doctors say that a teething baby has a fever because the teething caused a plummet in immune system, and a baby caught something contagious, therefore, is also contagious. yes, you can pass teething to someone else This morning sent a little one home who has a fever. Mom kept saying its probably just his teeth.
thrivingchildcarecom 10:33 AM 10-03-2016
I LOVE THIS!
My granddaughter was excused from her school on Friday because she had a minor asthma attack. I totally got it though.
Seriously, parents will try to get anything pass a provider if they can.
We need to insist on written documentation so we can protect the other children in care as well as ourselves.
I especially agree with the "symptom exclusion" policy. If symptoms are too much to handle, they should be at home.
My granddaughter was excused from her school on Friday because she had a minor asthma attack. I totally got it though.
Seriously, parents will try to get anything pass a provider if they can.
We need to insist on written documentation so we can protect the other children in care as well as ourselves.
I especially agree with the "symptom exclusion" policy. If symptoms are too much to handle, they should be at home.
bubblegum 10:55 AM 10-07-2016
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Exclude for allergies.
This stops parents from using that excuse.
If the child does in fact have allergies, I'd need a statement and written treatment on file from the child's Dr.
If they are seasonally allergies, then I treat those like colds too.... if the symptoms become too much and the child is suffering, then they need to stay home and reduce exposure to those seasonal things that cause flare ups.
Excluding for symptoms instead of actual illnesses or conditions allows you to include symptoms of seasonal allergies (and teething ) into your illness policies which in turn eliminate parent's ability to use those things as excuses.
I exclude for excessively runny noes. Especially with the kids who can't wipe it themselves.Exclude for allergies.
This stops parents from using that excuse.
If the child does in fact have allergies, I'd need a statement and written treatment on file from the child's Dr.
If they are seasonally allergies, then I treat those like colds too.... if the symptoms become too much and the child is suffering, then they need to stay home and reduce exposure to those seasonal things that cause flare ups.
Excluding for symptoms instead of actual illnesses or conditions allows you to include symptoms of seasonal allergies (and teething
) into your illness policies which in turn eliminate parent's ability to use those things as excuses.
EntropyControlSpecialist 11:30 AM 10-07-2016
Originally Posted by bubblegum:
I exclude for excessively runny noes. Especially with the kids who can't wipe it themselves.
Me, too. Excessive runny noses and persistent coughs. It can be because of any reason, but the symptoms need to be under control or gone before they can return.I exclude for excessively runny noes. Especially with the kids who can't wipe it themselves.
MunchkinWrangler 09:25 PM 10-07-2016
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Me, too. Excessive runny noses and persistent coughs. It can be because of any reason, but the symptoms need to be under control or gone before they can return.
I had a family put in their notice because of this. Me, too. Excessive runny noses and persistent coughs. It can be because of any reason, but the symptoms need to be under control or gone before they can return.
I know right!Dcm said she doesn't see any reason why I have to wipe her nose so much, she doesn't care if there are boogers on her. They didn't take into account that I don't want boogers all over the place and I am obsessed with clean faces and hands. This is the same family that on more than one occasion would drop off dcg(14 mos) with her face covered in crusted on boogers from the night before. I would, of course, clean her up but I felt so bad for her. How uncomfortable! She would seem relieved after I washed her face.
finsup 07:20 AM 10-08-2016
Originally Posted by MunchkinWrangler:
I had a family put in their notice because of this. I know right!
Dcm said she doesn't see any reason why I have to wipe her nose so much, she doesn't care if there are boogers on her. They didn't take into account that I don't want boogers all over the place and I am obsessed with clean faces and hands. This is the same family that on more than one occasion would drop off dcg(14 mos) with her face covered in crusted on boogers from the night before. I would, of course, clean her up but I felt so bad for her. How uncomfortable! She would seem relieved after I washed her face.
So many dcm's don't get the "big deal" about a constant runny nose. One was so excited to hear it was all "coming out"...and i was like yes, and even better you can share all that excitement with him. Dcb needs to be home, please pick up within the hour. It's just like ugh, we have a group of other kids, when boogers get wiped on anyone and everything it is really, really gross. And unsanitary. Of course if a parent walked in and saw that they would be mad at why the child was there...unless it's *their* child, then it's fine I had a family put in their notice because of this.
I know right!Dcm said she doesn't see any reason why I have to wipe her nose so much, she doesn't care if there are boogers on her. They didn't take into account that I don't want boogers all over the place and I am obsessed with clean faces and hands. This is the same family that on more than one occasion would drop off dcg(14 mos) with her face covered in crusted on boogers from the night before. I would, of course, clean her up but I felt so bad for her. How uncomfortable! She would seem relieved after I washed her face.
*Just to be clear, we're talking constant dripping here, not just one that may need a wipe an hour or so. For my program that is.
Ariana 07:25 AM 10-08-2016
My illness policy is two pages long
I exclude for anything above a slight runny nose and a slight cough. Green snot is an exclusion. Allergies do not exist without a written note from a dr and a treatment plan of some kind.
I have a child who has been sick off an on since she started in September. Unfortunately nothing to be excluded for but now my whole house has the sniffles. I do not understand why these kids are sick all.the.damn.time.
I exclude for anything above a slight runny nose and a slight cough. Green snot is an exclusion. Allergies do not exist without a written note from a dr and a treatment plan of some kind.
I have a child who has been sick off an on since she started in September. Unfortunately nothing to be excluded for but now my whole house has the sniffles. I do not understand why these kids are sick all.the.damn.time.
daycare 05:44 PM 10-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ariana:
My illness policy is two pages long
I exclude for anything above a slight runny nose and a slight cough. Green snot is an exclusion. Allergies do not exist without a written note from a dr and a treatment plan of some kind.
I have a child who has been sick off an on since she started in September. Unfortunately nothing to be excluded for but now my whole house has the sniffles. I do not understand why these kids are sick all.the.damn.time.
because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough. My illness policy is two pages long
I exclude for anything above a slight runny nose and a slight cough. Green snot is an exclusion. Allergies do not exist without a written note from a dr and a treatment plan of some kind.
I have a child who has been sick off an on since she started in September. Unfortunately nothing to be excluded for but now my whole house has the sniffles. I do not understand why these kids are sick all.the.damn.time.
sorry that may have sounded mean....but it is what I see with my group. I have kids that eat pop tart for dinner and chocolate milk, stay up until 11pm and then back at my house by 7:30am..
Mike 06:54 PM 10-10-2016
Originally Posted by daycare:
because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
I personally have known a few parents that did such a poor job of parenting that they were on the verge of being abusive. I babysat regularly for one of them and the kids were much different when they were with me. We can't do much about how parents raise their kids. All we can do is our part when they are with us.
Unregistered 05:48 AM 10-11-2016
My 9 month only son and I are going on 7 weeks of continuos colds.. back to back.. we are both on antibiotics as well. It's miserable. I love the idea of changing my policy, I have a dcg who has a cough that just got worse for almost three weeks until I went of vacation for a week. After the first week of the cough I said she needs to see a doctor it's not slight anymore and not going away and mom rushes her to a dr and bring her back the next day with a note that says it's just a cold and she can return to care.
I feel that takes the power out of my hands when it's MY HOME!! What the heck! How are you gonna tell me and some dr I don't know that you sick kid can stay here. Idk. So like a whimp I let her stay cuz I don't have a firm policy yet besides have a dr note which screwed me
What would you do in that situation?
BrynleeJean just signed out
I feel that takes the power out of my hands when it's MY HOME!! What the heck! How are you gonna tell me and some dr I don't know that you sick kid can stay here. Idk. So like a whimp I let her stay cuz I don't have a firm policy yet besides have a dr note which screwed me
What would you do in that situation?
BrynleeJean just signed out
Blackcat31 06:04 AM 10-11-2016
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
My 9 month only son and I are going on 7 weeks of continuos colds.. back to back.. we are both on antibiotics as well. It's miserable. I love the idea of changing my policy, I have a dcg who has a cough that just got worse for almost three weeks until I went of vacation for a week. After the first week of the cough I said she needs to see a doctor it's not slight anymore and not going away and mom rushes her to a dr and bring her back the next day with a note that says it's just a cold and she can return to care.
I feel that takes the power out of my hands when it's MY HOME!! What the heck! How are you gonna tell me and some dr I don't know that you sick kid can stay here. Idk. So like a whimp I let her stay cuz I don't have a firm policy yet besides have a dr note which screwed me
What would you do in that situation?
BrynleeJean just signed out
24/48 hour rule and stop accepting Dr's notes for re-admittance to care. It's YOUR business not the Dr's. My 9 month only son and I are going on 7 weeks of continuos colds.. back to back.. we are both on antibiotics as well. It's miserable. I love the idea of changing my policy, I have a dcg who has a cough that just got worse for almost three weeks until I went of vacation for a week. After the first week of the cough I said she needs to see a doctor it's not slight anymore and not going away and mom rushes her to a dr and bring her back the next day with a note that says it's just a cold and she can return to care.
I feel that takes the power out of my hands when it's MY HOME!! What the heck! How are you gonna tell me and some dr I don't know that you sick kid can stay here. Idk. So like a whimp I let her stay cuz I don't have a firm policy yet besides have a dr note which screwed me
What would you do in that situation?
BrynleeJean just signed out
Unless he/she is the one providing hands on care to the child, they don't get to give written permission as to when a child can return to YOUR care. I ask for Dr's notes ONLY for diagnosis so I know what the child has or doesn't have.
As for the 24/48 hour rule. The child stays home until 24 hours fever free when the parent chooses to keep the child home. They can return to care after they have been symptom free for a FULL 24 hours.
If you (the provider) have to send the child home sick from care, they must remain out of care until they are symptom free for a FULL 48 hours.
This puts the responsibility on the parents. If they choose wisely, they will not have to miss much work. If they push it and send their child, they are out of options for daycare for twice as long.
On a side note, why would your own Dr give you and your son antibiotics for a cold? Colds are viral and antibiotics do nothing for viruses. They can actually impede or worsen viruses. Hoping you and your son feel better soon though!
Hunni Bee 06:44 AM 10-11-2016
Originally Posted by daycare:
because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
sorry that may have sounded mean....but it is what I see with my group. I have kids that eat pop tart for dinner and chocolate milk, stay up until 11pm and then back at my house by 7:30am..
That's what I was going to say. My daughter is rarely sick and she has been in a dc since she was 3 months old. But she eats great food and gets at least 9 hours plus a 2 hour nap.because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
sorry that may have sounded mean....but it is what I see with my group. I have kids that eat pop tart for dinner and chocolate milk, stay up until 11pm and then back at my house by 7:30am..
Unregistered 07:49 AM 10-11-2016
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
24/48 hour rule and stop accepting Dr's notes for re-admittance to care. It's YOUR business not the Dr's.
Unless he/she is the one providing hands on care to the child, they don't get to give written permission as to when a child can return to YOUR care. I ask for Dr's notes ONLY for diagnosis so I know what the child has or doesn't have.
As for the 24/48 hour rule. The child stays home until 24 hours fever free when the parent chooses to keep the child home. They can return to care after they have been symptom free for a FULL 24 hours.
If you (the provider) have to send the child home sick from care, they must remain out of care until they are symptom free for a FULL 48 hours.
This puts the responsibility on the parents. If they choose wisely, they will not have to miss much work. If they push it and send their child, they are out of options for daycare for twice as long.
On a side note, why would your own Dr give you and your son antibiotics for a cold? Colds are viral and antibiotics do nothing for viruses. They can actually impede or worsen viruses. Hoping you and your son feel better soon though!
Because we've been sick for longer than I think two weeks with sinus issues not allergies related I think is there protocol to give antibiotics for bacterial or sinus infection. 24/48 hour rule and stop accepting Dr's notes for re-admittance to care. It's YOUR business not the Dr's.
Unless he/she is the one providing hands on care to the child, they don't get to give written permission as to when a child can return to YOUR care. I ask for Dr's notes ONLY for diagnosis so I know what the child has or doesn't have.
As for the 24/48 hour rule. The child stays home until 24 hours fever free when the parent chooses to keep the child home. They can return to care after they have been symptom free for a FULL 24 hours.
If you (the provider) have to send the child home sick from care, they must remain out of care until they are symptom free for a FULL 48 hours.
This puts the responsibility on the parents. If they choose wisely, they will not have to miss much work. If they push it and send their child, they are out of options for daycare for twice as long.
On a side note, why would your own Dr give you and your son antibiotics for a cold? Colds are viral and antibiotics do nothing for viruses. They can actually impede or worsen viruses. Hoping you and your son feel better soon though!
Very true I need to grow a pair because this sickness stuff is getting to me making me consider closing my doors permanently cuz I hate that my boy is always sick. Better to try growing a pair first and risk loosing families than closing my door so suppose.
thank you!
Baby Beluga 07:51 AM 10-11-2016
Originally Posted by daycare:
because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
They're aren't enough because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
for this comment. Especially when the children ARE home sick and the parents think they can use it as a day to run errands. So they drag the poor sick child to the stores and whatever else they need to get done
Blackcat31 08:07 AM 10-11-2016
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Because we've been sick for longer than I think two weeks with sinus issues not allergies related I think is there protocol to give antibiotics for bacterial or sinus infection.
Very true I need to grow a pair because this sickness stuff is getting to me making me consider closing my doors permanently cuz I hate that my boy is always sick. Better to try growing a pair first and risk loosing families than closing my door so suppose.
thank you!
Because we've been sick for longer than I think two weeks with sinus issues not allergies related I think is there protocol to give antibiotics for bacterial or sinus infection.
Very true I need to grow a pair because this sickness stuff is getting to me making me consider closing my doors permanently cuz I hate that my boy is always sick. Better to try growing a pair first and risk loosing families than closing my door so suppose.
thank you!
gottcha! Yes, it is hard and the sickness can be overwhelming but I totally agree; better to be forced out of business by silly parents than to just close up shop on your own.
Once you really start pushing the no tolerance for illness policies you will find that many parents will purposely seek you out for your willingness to be strict and reduce illness being passed back and forth.
The first few years I was in business it seemed someone was sick constantly. Now I can't tell you the last time someone was sick here, even a mild cold and I have kids from infant to school age.
Start small and enforce the heck out of a few common rules. Add as you go along.
Ariana 11:34 AM 10-11-2016
Originally Posted by daycare:
because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
sorry that may have sounded mean....but it is what I see with my group. I have kids that eat pop tart for dinner and chocolate milk, stay up until 11pm and then back at my house by 7:30am..
100% true! These poor kids are under so much stress and no way to recover. My kids are sooooo healthy compared to other kids it is insane. My 7 yr old had her FIRST bout of the stomach flu a couple of weeks ago and she threw up twice and recovered within a few hours (might have been something she ate, not sure). Meanwhile my neighbour who feeds her kids constant sugar and they sleep badly have been vomitting 3-4 times since September with a trip to Emergency, ot to mention how many times they were sick last year! I am so hesitant to let my kids go to their house to hang out because of germs but they never get sick anyway when they do go.because they eat horrible food outside of childcare and don't sleep enough.
sorry that may have sounded mean....but it is what I see with my group. I have kids that eat pop tart for dinner and chocolate milk, stay up until 11pm and then back at my house by 7:30am..