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dcmommy 06:33 PM 09-14-2014
I have been in business for 13 years but closed last fall because I was pregnant with our now 6 month old twins. I reopened in July and here on small town America good full time families are hard to come by. Unfortunately I've ended up with families that want a day here and a day there. I need my spots filled yano? Do you guys just offer set days for part timers? I know the prek where our oldest went you chose between Tuesday/Thursday or Monday/Wednesday/Friday. I only want 3 dck's per day but some days I have 3 and some days none. It's making me crazy!
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Thriftylady 07:27 PM 09-14-2014
I am having the same issue. Last time I was in a big town easy to find kids. I am in a small town here and it is hard not many calls at all. I am open right now to part time kids, but I also have in mind that when I get built back up I may have to stop doing part time care. I really think that for people who only want part time care, they can usually find it. I will cross that bridge when I get to it. So I guess my advice is go ahead and take them and in six months or a year or whatever you can rethink it if you need to. And sometimes part time kids can become full time kids! You and I are in the same boat!
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Unregistered 08:44 PM 09-14-2014
I love enrolling part-timers in my program. In the six years I've been in business, I've actually only had one full-time family.

This is how I handle it:
I break my day in half: from 7:30-12:15 and from 12:15 - 5:00. Then I let people choose half days of full days in any combination they need.
(For example, one of the kiddos comes all day monday, wednesday pm, and thursday am.)

Amazingly, I am always full! The part-time schedules end up combining magically into six full-time spots. This school year I do have two afternoons a week when I have five kids instead of six. But that feels like a nice little break for me and it gives me the opportunity to offer some space to drop-ins.

I have a white board where I write out each day of the week, broken up into morning and afternoon and write down who is coming when.

I think the reason that this works for me is that in my community there are many, many people who are self-employed. Those are the clients I tend to attract. They like that I just charge them for the time they need and I like them because their schedules tend to be very flexible and can work around the openings that I have.

Good luck making it work for you! I prefer serving part-time families much more than full-time families! It gives me way more variety to my week and then I am much less dependent on the income from each individual family. For my six spots, I serve 14 different families!

Alexis
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midaycare 05:41 AM 09-15-2014
Part time families are my favourite! I charge more for less days. So for example, 1 day is $40, 2 days is $75, 3 days is $105, 4 days is $130, 5 days is $150. It is also more expensive for more than 10 hours of care.
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TheGoodLife 05:59 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by midaycare:
Part time families are my favourite! I charge more for less days. So for example, 1 day is $40, 2 days is $75, 3 days is $105, 4 days is $130, 5 days is $150. It is also more expensive for more than 10 hours of care.
This is exactly my rate schedule as well!
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daycarediva 06:17 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by midaycare:
Part time families are my favourite! I charge more for less days. So for example, 1 day is $40, 2 days is $75, 3 days is $105, 4 days is $130, 5 days is $150. It is also more expensive for more than 10 hours of care.
I have a similar rate schedule! Works great! I make more for part time, and if I can get a few schedules to mesh, I make significantly more.

The key is set schedule, pay for space OR you can charge more for drop in/as needed care (mine is $50/per day/per child)
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Blackcat31 07:18 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by dcmommy:
I have been in business for 13 years but closed last fall because I was pregnant with our now 6 month old twins. I reopened in July and here on small town America good full time families are hard to come by. Unfortunately I've ended up with families that want a day here and a day there. I need my spots filled yano? Do you guys just offer set days for part timers? I know the prek where our oldest went you chose between Tuesday/Thursday or Monday/Wednesday/Friday. I only want 3 dck's per day but some days I have 3 and some days none. It's making me crazy!
I don't look at care as part time or full time. I look at it in terms of days.

I offer

5 days a week for $x amount
4 days a week for $x amount (about $1 per day more than 5 days a week)
3 (same days a week) days a week for $x amount (about $1 per day more than 4 days a week)
3 (varying days a week) for same rate as 4 days a week (with some exceptions/additions)

Anything less than 3 days a week is drop in. Drop in costs 2.5 times more than my daily rate for 3 days and payment is due AT drop off and reservations for drop in can not be made in advance.

So no part time or full time care here. Only 3,4 or 5 days.
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Crazy8 07:41 AM 09-15-2014
I love part timers also because I get more per day for them than for full timers as well. I don't do short/half days - part time to me just means less days per week. I also only allow set days, no switching. Then I just use a spreadsheet with 5 lines (5 is my max # of kids) and I fill in their names in the boxes - makes it easy to see which days I have avail for drop ins or adding another part timer.

If I had 1 full timer M-F they'd pay $175/wk but 2 part timers filling those same 5 days would be $210. AND even if I only filled 4 of the days (say 2 days each child), that would be $180 - still $5 more for the week yet I have one day with 1 less kid, which I never mind!
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Crazy8 07:42 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I don't look at care as part time or full time. I look at it in terms of days.

I offer

5 days a week for $x amount
4 days a week for $x amount (about $1 per day more than 5 days a week)
3 (same days a week) days a week for $x amount (about $1 per day more than 4 days a week)
3 (varying days a week) for same rate as 4 days a week (with some exceptions/additions)

Anything less than 3 days a week is drop in. Drop in costs 2.5 times more than my daily rate for 3 days and payment is due AT drop off and reservations for drop in can not be made in advance.

So no part time or full time care here. Only 3,4 or 5 days.
To me 3 days per week is part time, no??? I don't go by hours either - a day is a day but a 3 day a week kid to me is a part timer, a 5 day a week kid is a full timer.
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nothingwithoutjoy 07:42 AM 09-15-2014
I don't really like having part-timers, but from a parent's perspective, I want to be with my daughter as much as possible, so I get it. Most of my families are part-time, because they want to be with their kids, too, and work for themselves or part-time so they can be. I have only 1 "full-time" child. (In quotes because my full-time is only Mon-Thurs. When I realized I was attracting mostly part-time families, and I wanted more time to homeschool my daughter, I dropped Fridays). I allow kids to come two or more days/week. I piece it together however I can, letting them take what's available. So right now I have
1 kid who comes M, T, W, Th
3 who come M, T, Th
1 who comes W, Th
1 who comes T, W
1 who comes M, W.
It's not perfect: I am licensed for 6, but have only 5 on Wednesdays. I do not want to fill it with a 1-day/week kid, and there's only one currently-enrolled child who could add Wednesdays, and they don't need it. So I leave it alone. If I wanted to, though, I could tell that family that I only have a full-time slot and have them take it or leave it, so you could make it work to be full, I suppose.
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Blackcat31 08:20 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by Crazy8:
To me 3 days per week is part time, no??? I don't go by hours either - a day is a day but a 3 day a week kid to me is a part timer, a 5 day a week kid is a full timer.
Probably

..... I've just learned to move away from using the terms "part time" or "full time"

I don't say "I have a part time family"
I say "A 3 day a week family"

It's just a play on words so that families view their rates/services differently than the normal part time/full time standards.

It was something I picked up in a marketing class. For some reason parents supposedly react to it in a more positive way.
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TwinKristi 09:25 AM 09-15-2014
I may institute a weekly pay rate instead for future clients after Jan 1 depending on how things go for us moving. I currently charge a daily rate that varies by how many days they choose ($45 for 4-5 days, $50 for 2-3 days, $60 for 1 day) but still calculate it all daily. Some families pay monthly on the 1st, some pay bi-weekly on their first day, some pay bi-weekly every other Friday. I do invoices based on their pay schedule every 2wks except one family because she doesn't even look at the invoice anyway.
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midaycare 10:27 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by TheGoodLife:
This is exactly my rate schedule as well!
Great minds think alike!
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midaycare 10:30 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
I have a similar rate schedule! Works great! I make more for part time, and if I can get a few schedules to mesh, I make significantly more.

The key is set schedule, pay for space OR you can charge more for drop in/as needed care (mine is $50/per day/per child)
I do like making more for part timers! And even if I'm short a child on a day, it nice to have a lighter schedule and still be paid my regular weekly rate between all the part-timers making up for it.
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jenboo 11:22 AM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I love enrolling part-timers in my program. In the six years I've been in business, I've actually only had one full-time family.

This is how I handle it:
I break my day in half: from 7:30-12:15 and from 12:15 - 5:00. Then I let people choose half days of full days in any combination they need.
(For example, one of the kiddos comes all day monday, wednesday pm, and thursday am.)

Amazingly, I am always full! The part-time schedules end up combining magically into six full-time spots. This school year I do have two afternoons a week when I have five kids instead of six. But that feels like a nice little break for me and it gives me the opportunity to offer some space to drop-ins.

I have a white board where I write out each day of the week, broken up into morning and afternoon and write down who is coming when.

I think the reason that this works for me is that in my community there are many, many people who are self-employed. Those are the clients I tend to attract. They like that I just charge them for the time they need and I like them because their schedules tend to be very flexible and can work around the openings that I have.

Good luck making it work for you! I prefer serving part-time families much more than full-time families! It gives me way more variety to my week and then I am much less dependent on the income from each individual family. For my six spots, I serve 14 different families!

Alexis
I might end up in a community where this might work well. What ages do you accept and what does your curriculum/activities look like?
The community has a lot of SAHMs.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:55 AM 09-15-2014
Call me odd because I DON'T like having a bunch of par-timers so now I only have ONE part-time spot available (M/W/F and T/TH) that is filled. Yes, I make more money and yes, they are better about keeping sick kids home but it is HARD to find a part-time family in my area that isn't a helicopter parent.

Because these women are typically SAHM's or work very few days per week they tend to micromanage their child to the extreme. I was also the first thing to cut from the budget when things got tight. Plus, the 2-day families were expecting their child to learn and retain massive amounts of information from our curriculum when they were here 2/7 days per week. It was just too much for my liking.
If I could find a relaxed, cool Mom then I would entertain the idea again. But, thus far, these people have been straight up scary so I run away screaming instead.

My current part-timers I have had for over 2 years (had the older child, who is now in Kinder, and now I have the middle child - age 3) and for 1.5 years (had the older brother, also now in Kinder, and now I have their middle child - age 2). I LOVE the parents and I LOVE the kids. Perfect situation there and I know they plan on using my services for their 3rd children as well.

My T/Th parents pay-$32.50/day
My M/W/F parents pay-$33.33/day
My M-F parents pay-$29/day
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Unregistered 01:52 PM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by jenboo:
I might end up in a community where this might work well. What ages do you accept and what does your curriculum/activities look like?
The community has a lot of SAHMs.

I accept all ages: infant through school age. Though the only school-age I tend to enroll are former clients who need summer or break care.

Most of the kids I care for are 1-3 years old. Once they are old enough for preschool, they tend to do preschool two days a week and come to my house two days a week. For that reason I tend stress out about doing any type of formal or intentional curriculum. The parents who are looking for that, have their kids in preschool part of the week anyway.

What we do at my house is play! We have long periods of uninterrupted play time. I try to have a lot of open-ended materials out- boxes, blocks, tubes, manipulatives, fabric, etc. And they just play. I try to get out an art project or sensory play every day- play dough, painting, coloring, collage, water table, flour table, etc. The other great thing about having part-time kids is that I can do the same activity two times a week. I don't have to prepare a new thing each day.

We read tons of books, and I talk to the kids a lot. And that is our curriculum. The kids love coming to my house- even the preschool and kindergarten aged kids. I think kids don't get enough time to just play, and they are so happy to come to my house and do it.

Because I serve part-time families, I am able to be closed on Fridays.

Alexis
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Unregistered 01:58 PM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I accept all ages: infant through school age. Though the only school-age I tend to enroll are former clients who need summer or break care.

Most of the kids I care for are 1-3 years old. Once they are old enough for preschool, they tend to do preschool two days a week and come to my house two days a week. For that reason I tend stress out about doing any type of formal or intentional curriculum. The parents who are looking for that, have their kids in preschool part of the week anyway.

What we do at my house is play! We have long periods of uninterrupted play time. I try to have a lot of open-ended materials out- boxes, blocks, tubes, manipulatives, fabric, etc. And they just play. I try to get out an art project or sensory play every day- play dough, painting, coloring, collage, water table, flour table, etc. The other great thing about having part-time kids is that I can do the same activity two times a week. I don't have to prepare a new thing each day.

We read tons of books, and I talk to the kids a lot. And that is our curriculum. The kids love coming to my house- even the preschool and kindergarten aged kids. I think kids don't get enough time to just play, and they are so happy to come to my house and do it.

Because I serve part-time families, I am able to be closed on Fridays.

Alexis

****Meant to write "For that reason I DON'T stress out about doing any kind of formal or intentional curriculum."
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jenboo 04:50 PM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I accept all ages: infant through school age. Though the only school-age I tend to enroll are former clients who need summer or break care.

Most of the kids I care for are 1-3 years old. Once they are old enough for preschool, they tend to do preschool two days a week and come to my house two days a week. For that reason I tend stress out about doing any type of formal or intentional curriculum. The parents who are looking for that, have their kids in preschool part of the week anyway.

What we do at my house is play! We have long periods of uninterrupted play time. I try to have a lot of open-ended materials out- boxes, blocks, tubes, manipulatives, fabric, etc. And they just play. I try to get out an art project or sensory play every day- play dough, painting, coloring, collage, water table, flour table, etc. The other great thing about having part-time kids is that I can do the same activity two times a week. I don't have to prepare a new thing each day.

We read tons of books, and I talk to the kids a lot. And that is our curriculum. The kids love coming to my house- even the preschool and kindergarten aged kids. I think kids don't get enough time to just play, and they are so happy to come to my house and do it.

Because I serve part-time families, I am able to be closed on Fridays.

Alexis
This is great! Do you require a minimum amount of days/hours? I'm worried about not making enough $$ but it seems like you don't have that problem.
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AmyKidsCo 06:20 PM 09-15-2014
Here's the thing - you have to know what works where you are.

Around here it's hard to find children over 2 because they usually start someplace as infants and just stay there, or if they need to find a new situation parents will put them in a group center so they can "learn" things.

I recently filled a FT 2+ year old opening with a 2 day/week PT'er. I don't have parents of 2 yr olds knocking down my door so I figure being paid for 2 days is better than nothing.

I still have another FT 2+ yr old opening to fill, so if I filled that FT opening and another family wanted to enroll a 2+ yr old FT I'd give the PT family the option of paying FT or finding another situation, but I highly doubt that'll happen.

Right now I'm happy getting paid for 2 days instead of none.
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daycare 06:35 PM 09-15-2014
Originally Posted by dcmommy:
I have been in business for 13 years but closed last fall because I was pregnant with our now 6 month old twins. I reopened in July and here on small town America good full time families are hard to come by. Unfortunately I've ended up with families that want a day here and a day there. I need my spots filled yano? Do you guys just offer set days for part timers? I know the prek where our oldest went you chose between Tuesday/Thursday or Monday/Wednesday/Friday. I only want 3 dck's per day but some days I have 3 and some days none. It's making me crazy!
I pretty much offer whatever I need filled. I prefer full time, but beggars can't be choosers all the time. I have 13 spots to fill in a very competitive market.

I offer, part time days.
815-1230 or 845-1245 I only discount by $5.00 less than a full day. They either get breakfast and snack or snack and lunch, but not all 3

THen I offer part time days. I would love to say MWF and T TH, but it does not always work out that way.

All full time families have priority and all PT families need to have a flexible schedule, as you may be asked to swap days so that all schedules can be fulfilled.

The person who has the least amount of hours is the first person to asked to be moved then go up the line from there. If I can't get someone to move schedule, the lowest paying customer is either offered to go full time or must surrender their spot.

I have only ever had to ask one family to surrender their spot and it was a family that was already leaving. They just left earlier.
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biglou 02:50 PM 09-16-2014
Don't like part time care. It is too difficult to fill the remaking days, continuity of curriculum is affected, etc.... We just turned down a family with 2.5 year old triplets! We offered her full time for $660 (10.5 hours per day) She then asked for part time and I offered 8 hours a day for 3 days at $500. As expected, she did not accept. My reason, It can take me more time to fill those 2 empty days than it would take to fill the full time spots! And there are two more points

This would give me 3 two day slots to fill and if the family leaves before planned, we have 3 spots to fill! Holy cow!!!

Sometimes we need to let some families pass by.

Big Lou
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Unregistered 03:17 PM 09-16-2014
Originally Posted by jenboo:
This is great! Do you require a minimum amount of days/hours? I'm worried about not making enough $$ but it seems like you don't have that problem.
Hi Jenboo,

I don't require a minimum amount of days. The least amount of time a family can sign up for is a half-day a week. They commit to this half day and pay a monthly fee for it.
For example: One half day for a 3-5 year old is $100/month.

This school year I have three children who are only enrolled for one half day a week. The rest of the time they are in preschool. I think the main reason they still come to my house for a half-day each week is because they've been at my house since they were toddlers, and their moms want to maintain their relationship with me. It is a wonderful thing.

I make as much money as if I had a more traditional schedule. Actually probably more. I tend to charge more than other programs in my town, and I think I get away with it because of the clientele I serve. At my preschool rates, I would charge $1000/month for a a full-time 3-5 year old, which is much more than the other programs in my town charge.

Good luck as you consider this option for yourself. When I opened up I didn't intend to serve this clientele. But when people asked me for part-time schedules, I didn't say no. From there it grew very organically. Now it would be pretty hard for me to carve out a full-time space for someone if they needed it.
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jenboo 03:42 PM 09-16-2014
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Hi Jenboo,

I don't require a minimum amount of days. The least amount of time a family can sign up for is a half-day a week. They commit to this half day and pay a monthly fee for it.
For example: One half day for a 3-5 year old is $100/month.

This school year I have three children who are only enrolled for one half day a week. The rest of the time they are in preschool. I think the main reason they still come to my house for a half-day each week is because they've been at my house since they were toddlers, and their moms want to maintain their relationship with me. It is a wonderful thing.

I make as much money as if I had a more traditional schedule. Actually probably more. I tend to charge more than other programs in my town, and I think I get away with it because of the clientele I serve. At my preschool rates, I would charge $1000/month for a a full-time 3-5 year old, which is much more than the other programs in my town charge.

Good luck as you consider this option for yourself. When I opened up I didn't intend to serve this clientele. But when people asked me for part-time schedules, I didn't say no. From there it grew very organically. Now it would be pretty hard for me to carve out a full-time space for someone if they needed it.
Thank you so much!
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hsdcmama 11:58 AM 09-22-2014
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I accept all ages: infant through school age. Though the only school-age I tend to enroll are former clients who need summer or break care.

Most of the kids I care for are 1-3 years old. Once they are old enough for preschool, they tend to do preschool two days a week and come to my house two days a week. For that reason I tend stress out about doing any type of formal or intentional curriculum. The parents who are looking for that, have their kids in preschool part of the week anyway.

What we do at my house is play! We have long periods of uninterrupted play time. I try to have a lot of open-ended materials out- boxes, blocks, tubes, manipulatives, fabric, etc. And they just play. I try to get out an art project or sensory play every day- play dough, painting, coloring, collage, water table, flour table, etc. The other great thing about having part-time kids is that I can do the same activity two times a week. I don't have to prepare a new thing each day.

We read tons of books, and I talk to the kids a lot. And that is our curriculum. The kids love coming to my house- even the preschool and kindergarten aged kids. I think kids don't get enough time to just play, and they are so happy to come to my house and do it.

Because I serve part-time families, I am able to be closed on Fridays.

Alexis
Oh, how I love to hear this. In my daycare I stress to parents the importance of play for kids under 5. IMO kids ages 4 and under are just not ready for the pressure of the school environment. Kids need to be free to run, jump, explore, get messy, and just discover the world around them. I feel the pressure from many angles to follow a preschool curriculum for my kids, but I just don't agree and I just won't do it. My kids LOVE coming here, every day their parents have to drag them out the door bc they don't want to leave. We learn SO MUCH and have so much fun without following a curriculum, I wish more people understood that my job is a daycare provider, I am not a teacher. I wish there was not so much pressure put on dc providers to be teachers as well, bc it's just too much -- for us AND the kids.
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melilley 12:19 PM 09-22-2014
I offer p/t care and also make a little more that way. I charge $35 a day and do not do half days, only full, or $140 a week. I have a minimum of 2 days a week, but will sway from that if I have an opening. I also don't mind if they switch days as long as they ask first and I have an opening. But I also know how many full time kids I need to have enrolled to be financially secure and only allow a certain number of p/t. I also tell p/t parents that in the future I may have to replace them with full time children and will give them the option of going full time before I have to replace them. (I got that good advice from someone on here) So far I have had to do that once (last week actually) because I need to fill a f/t spot and couldn't find anyone in the older age group so I had to let two of my younger aged group go so I could open the f/t spot to a younger age group, and the parents understood.
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dcmommy 09:02 AM 09-27-2014
It just drives me crazy because I can't fil the openings around the part timers and I am left with empty spaces on some days.
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biglou 01:36 PM 09-29-2014
The trick is to have confidence in yourself and your program. Even a 20% discounted full-time spot generates more $ than a 2 or 3 day part-timer. As I posted above, we recently turned down part-time triplets! Well, I have already enrolled a full-timer into one of the spots at full price. It only took 8 days after the triplets were here. I still have one spot left, and 2 active leads to pursue. So, don't give away your spots to part-timers. Those weird hours often go unfilled for to many of us in the business.

Big Lou
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