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katebethke 07:50 PM 02-02-2018
I just finished my record keeping for the short time I was in operation as a child care provider (opened doors Sept 28th) and my total deductions are upwards of $3,000! We finished out the basement and added a playroom and a nap room so the kids would have a place to play/sleep so those were the big expenses but I just feel like my deductions are a little too high for the short time I was in service.. I have a receipt to back up every purchase made but wondering if i'm missing something. Listed below is a breakdown of my calculations. If anyone sees any red flags with this, please advise!

UTILITIES DEDUCTION-$550.96(gas, electric, trash, etc.)
HOUSE DEDUCTION-$67.34 (home insurance)
MAINTENANCE DEDUCTION- $988.89 (playroom/nap room)
BUSINESS EXPENSE DEDUCTION-$1,445.39(supplies)
MILEAGE DEDUCTION -$285.26(based on .535 a mile)
MEAL DEDUCTION-$387.02(standard meal plan)
GRAND TOTAL DEDUCTIONS-$3,337.85
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Josiegirl 03:04 AM 02-03-2018
No red flags to me, especially if you're just starting out. There are always tons of start-up fees and costs making things child-care ready. But I'm sure Tom will know for sure.
Just wanted to add that for me, many of my first years doing child care, I ended up with 0 income due to deductions.
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TomCopeland 09:46 AM 02-04-2018
Originally Posted by katebethke:
I just finished my record keeping for the short time I was in operation as a child care provider (opened doors Sept 28th) and my total deductions are upwards of $3,000! We finished out the basement and added a playroom and a nap room so the kids would have a place to play/sleep so those were the big expenses but I just feel like my deductions are a little too high for the short time I was in service.. I have a receipt to back up every purchase made but wondering if i'm missing something. Listed below is a breakdown of my calculations. If anyone sees any red flags with this, please advise!

UTILITIES DEDUCTION-$550.96(gas, electric, trash, etc.)
HOUSE DEDUCTION-$67.34 (home insurance)
MAINTENANCE DEDUCTION- $988.89 (playroom/nap room)
BUSINESS EXPENSE DEDUCTION-$1,445.39(supplies)
MILEAGE DEDUCTION -$285.26(based on .535 a mile)
MEAL DEDUCTION-$387.02(standard meal plan)
GRAND TOTAL DEDUCTIONS-$3,337.85
All of these deductions meet the IRS definition of "ordinary and necessary" business expenses, so you are good. I assume that you are applying your time-space % to shared items such as utilities, insurance, maintenance, business expense above.
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katebethke 05:22 AM 02-05-2018
Utilities and House deductions were calculated using my t/s%, as for business expenses and maintenance- I claimed 100% because they were bought and used solely for child care. ( toilet paper, paper towels, sippy cups, cleaning supplies, etc.) The only item I applied a business% to was the playset because my son also uses. I calculated that percentage by business use hours/personal use hours.
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daycarediva 09:36 AM 02-05-2018
My first few years in business I made almost no 'profit', due to deductions..

Same with start up costs for my husbands commercial construction business.

Looks about right (maybe even on the low end)
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TomCopeland 11:46 AM 02-05-2018
Originally Posted by katebethke:
Utilities and House deductions were calculated using my t/s%, as for business expenses and maintenance- I claimed 100% because they were bought and used solely for child care. ( toilet paper, paper towels, sippy cups, cleaning supplies, etc.) The only item I applied a business% to was the playset because my son also uses. I calculated that percentage by business use hours/personal use hours.
In order to claim 100% of toilet paper and paper towels, you would have to be able to prove that your family never used the same bathroom, unless you changed the toilet paper rolls each time! So, if you have a bathroom exclusively used by your daycare kids, okay. Otherwise, use your time-space%. In any case, keep copies of receipts for all toilet paper, paper towels, etc. so you can show that you spent money on these items that were used personally.
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Mom2Two 11:26 AM 02-12-2018
Maybe I'm missing something...but I'm not seeing your home office deduction. That is usually a pretty big deduction. Also home depreciation.
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Tigerlilly 01:11 PM 02-12-2018
I was told I could not claim any deductions unless I could deduct $24,000 or more and I just do not see myself ever spending $24,000 a year on my daycare. Maybe I was told wrong?
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Julia2 08:07 PM 12-31-2019
I rent the first floor for 1200 utilities included, how I rent to my daycare, I supposed this is another deduction, thank you
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Quiet Time 01:38 PM 03-23-2018
Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but I apply a TS% to almost everything I buy (except food and clothing). I have four kids of my own, but since 100% of my house is used for daycare, almost everything can be used by daycare. The ipod we gave to my son for Christmas plays music and white noise while the DCK nap, the bookshelf in my daughter's room I recently bought holds some DCK's books, etc...

I typically have less than $200 in items that are 100% day care expenses because my own kids could use almost anything I buy for DC.

I apply a TS% to almost everything and my supplies are typically around $8,000 and I'm only open 200 days a year.

So your total deductions seem a little low to me...or am I doing this all wrong?
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TomCopeland 07:55 PM 03-23-2018
Originally Posted by Quiet Time:
Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but I apply a TS% to almost everything I buy (except food and clothing). I have four kids of my own, but since 100% of my house is used for daycare, almost everything can be used by daycare. The ipod we gave to my son for Christmas plays music and white noise while the DCK nap, the bookshelf in my daughter's room I recently bought holds some DCK's books, etc...

I typically have less than $200 in items that are 100% day care expenses because my own kids could use almost anything I buy for DC.

I apply a TS% to almost everything and my supplies are typically around $8,000 and I'm only open 200 days a year.

So your total deductions seem a little low to me...or am I doing this all wrong?
You are not doing anything wrong. What other providers deduct should not be used as a guide to what you can deduct. When you buy something that is used by both your business and your family, use your time-space% and you'll be fine.
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lovemykidstoo 06:59 AM 04-06-2018
Originally Posted by TomCopeland:
You are not doing anything wrong. What other providers deduct should not be used as a guide to what you can deduct. When you buy something that is used by both your business and your family, use your time-space% and you'll be fine.
I definitely need more deductions. So far I have under the t/s utilities, homeowners insurance, taxes, cable/phone, Under my 100% I have business supplies (which I include training, items like cots/beds, bottles etc), gifts (which we can only do $25 per year per child right?), mileage, daycare liability insurance.

Reading through these threads. How do I categorize toilet paper, paper towels, paper plates, napkins, laundry soap because I was the bed linens, blankets etc, can I do dish soap, hand soap things like that that are non-food that we share with the daycare kids. Also thing for outside like salt to melt the ice, Anything else that I missed?
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TomCopeland 08:53 AM 04-06-2018
Originally Posted by lovemykidstoo:
I definitely need more deductions. So far I have under the t/s utilities, homeowners insurance, taxes, cable/phone, Under my 100% I have business supplies (which I include training, items like cots/beds, bottles etc), gifts (which we can only do $25 per year per child right?), mileage, daycare liability insurance.

Reading through these threads. How do I categorize toilet paper, paper towels, paper plates, napkins, laundry soap because I was the bed linens, blankets etc, can I do dish soap, hand soap things like that that are non-food that we share with the daycare kids. Also thing for outside like salt to melt the ice, Anything else that I missed?
The $25 limit per child only refers to gifts to children, not supplies. You can categorize expenses however you want. My book Family Child Care Record Keeping Guide lists over 1,000 deductions. See also my article: http://tomcopelandblog.com/whats-ded...-care-business
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lovemykidstoo 09:35 AM 04-06-2018
Originally Posted by TomCopeland:
The $25 limit per child only refers to gifts to children, not supplies. You can categorize expenses however you want. My book Family Child Care Record Keeping Guide lists over 1,000 deductions. See also my article: http://tomcopelandblog.com/whats-ded...-care-business
Thank you Tom. I definitely need your book!

I am stressing. My husband and I are both self-employed and he also works a regular job. He just called me and said we owe $9000!!!!! Help, I need to come up with some more expenses. I need to go through my checkbook and do something I"m not thinking of now. Where can I find more rightoffs? I didn't write off cleaning and laundry stuff before. How much does everyone do for that a year? Any ideas to get this amount down?
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lovemykidstoo 12:20 PM 04-06-2018
Originally Posted by TomCopeland:
The $25 limit per child only refers to gifts to children, not supplies. You can categorize expenses however you want. My book Family Child Care Record Keeping Guide lists over 1,000 deductions. See also my article: http://tomcopelandblog.com/whats-ded...-care-business
Thank you Tom. I'm going to buy your book! Can you tell me how t/s is figured? My tax person used 23% to take off on utilities, taxes ect, but I figured 28%. I wanted to see who did it right.
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