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melilley 11:54 AM 05-20-2013
it anymore! I need some advice please! I have a 9 month old who, unless is sleeping, eating, or being held, pretty much cries a high pitched cry all day, EVERY day! He will play 1-2 times a day and not cry, but other than that cries. He cries when playing, when waiting for food, when going to sleep, when doing anything. I don't know if I can take it anymore! I do feel bad because when the mom and I had a phone interview she did tell me that he cries a lot. She said that sometimes he needs to be in a dark room alone-I told her I could only do that at his napping times, and I've tried that, but only in the p&p when I thought he was tired, but that didn't work and I can't let him scream alone in a room, I feel bad.
I thought I could handle it as in the past I have been a lead teacher in an infant room and toddler room and have come across many babies who have cries a lot, but I also had help. Here it's just me. I've had him for about 3 months now and it's really starting to wear on me. I have talked to mom and at first she said I could carry him around...well I can't-I have 4-6 children a day and now he is heavy and it is impossible.

She has also said maybe it's over or under stimulation and to hold him and turn on water and if he goes towards it, he needs more stimulation, if he shies away from it, he needs less stimulation Also he has to poop, he this he that, I just don't get it, there doesn't seem to be anything specific that makes him cry, he just does all day! This is the brother of the 2.5 year old who I told about in a thread last week who's mom is an education major and knows everything about children and say's that her 32 month old is saying stuff to her that no 32 month old would or could say on their own without being coached and saying that he doesn't like it here, yet he screams and throws a fit when he has to leave. Anyways, some of her theories or suggestions of what to do make no sense and aren't practical for a fcc.

I want to term, but at the same time, I told her I could handle it. I would feel bad terming, but it's also wearing terribly on my nerves and it's adding to what I already talked about last week. What would you do? Have you ever said you could handle something that had to do with a child, but then come to find out, couldn't?

Thanks for letting me vent, I needed that.....he's about to scream, his food is gone off of his tray. Ughhh!
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Blackcat31 12:01 PM 05-20-2013
He needs his own adult.

I'd let him go.

Nothing personal, just not something YOU can "fix" or deal with when taking care of other kids too.

They deserve your attention and you deserve to like your job.

It's business NOT personal.

HUGS for dealing....been there a time or two myself and that is probably the BIGGEST thing for me.....realizing that I don't HAVE to do it.

You don't either.
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wdmmom 12:05 PM 05-20-2013
There's nothing worse than a chronic crier. Has DCM looked into WHY he is crying all the time? Is formula upsetting his tummy? Is he lactose intolerant? Celiacs disease? Etc. I would encourage DCM to get a full health examination done on him by his primary care physician and by a chiropractor. Maybe an adjustment would do him some good.

I wouldn't even consider carrying him around. I would ask DCM what he's like at home and what his schedule is like during the weekends and do everything you can to make the schedule the same at your house and see if that changes anything.

If he's just a generally unhappy baby, I would buy a 6 or 8 panel playard and let him either play, sleep or cry in there. Eventually he has to come to terms that crying nets him nothing. I wouldn't give him the attention he's begging for unless it was time to eat, sleep or change his diaper. He needs to learn self soothing techniques.

If you can, offer him a dark, cool place for his naps and ensure the nap is as uninterrupted as possible.

If none of those help, he's probably better with a nanny that can pamper his every need all day long.
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melilley 12:12 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by wdmmom:
There's nothing worse than a chronic crier. Has DCM looked into WHY he is crying all the time? Is formula upsetting his tummy? Is he lactose intolerant? Celiacs disease? Etc. I would encourage DCM to get a full health examination done on him by his primary care physician and by a chiropractor. Maybe an adjustment would do him some good.

I wouldn't even consider carrying him around. I would ask DCM what he's like at home and what his schedule is like during the weekends and do everything you can to make the schedule the same at your house and see if that changes anything.

If he's just a generally unhappy baby, I would give him buy a 6 or 8 panel playard and let him either play, sleep or cry in there. Eventually he has to come to terms that crying nets him nothing. I wouldn't give him the attention he's begging for unless it was time to eat, sleep or change his diaper. He needs to learn self soothing techniques.

If you can, offer him a dark, cool place for his naps and ensure the nap is as uninterrupted as possible.
Well this child's brother is gluten and dairy intolerant so they said that they are treating the baby like he is because he has a chance of being the same. This child is on almond milk-which he won't drink anymore and breast feeds 1-2 times a day so he has no gluten or dairy. When I tell them that he has had a rough day they always have some explanation and also say he didn't sleep very well-which is just about everyday. I also think that his mom holds him all day and I just can't do that here.
Thanks for the advice! I definitely agree, he needs to learn to self soothe. I do let him cry sometimes, but it's so loud and it hurts my ears and the other dck's! I'm also afraid that my neighbors are going to hate me, I often have my windows open and I'm pretty sure they can hear him...lol-well not really funny, but lol anyways
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nannyde 12:14 PM 05-20-2013
He needs his own adult.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 12:17 PM 05-20-2013
That sounds really stressful.
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melilley 12:21 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
He needs his own adult.

I'd let him go.

Nothing personal, just not something YOU can "fix" or deal with when taking care of other kids too.

They deserve your attention and you deserve to like your job.

It's business NOT personal.

HUGS for dealing....been there a time or two myself and that is probably the BIGGEST thing for me.....realizing that I don't HAVE to do it.

You don't either.
Thank you for the advice and you are right, I don't HAVE to go through this. It is business not personal. I'm just too nice and I know I have to separate the business part of me that I need to be from trying to be nice and please others.
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melilley 12:27 PM 05-20-2013
Thanks everyone! He does need his own adult and ironically, his mom is done student teaching soon and then is going to be a nanny to her friend's 3 kids while her 2 come here!
I think she is doing that so her kids will have a spot here in the fall because I told her that I can't hold a spot because of financial reasons.
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wdmmom 12:29 PM 05-20-2013
If DCM is breast feeding and she is consuming dairy or wheat products, it is being passed onto the child possibly causing his issues. I would check with her to see if she eats dairy or wheat products.
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melilley 12:30 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by wdmmom:
If DCM is breast feeding and she is consuming dairy or wheat products, it is being passed onto the child possibly causing his issues. I would check with her to see if she eats dairy or wheat products.
She told me that she tries not too because one day he was really upset for her and she said that she may have eaten some gluten. But you never know if they are telling the truth. You would hope that they are!
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Familycare71 01:27 PM 05-20-2013
I feel for you!!
I had a baby 3-6 months that cried non stop!! He wouldn't even sleep! I did it for three months- I only had him part time and he had no schedule at home! He was held all the time, laid down on his tummy for sleep- on the couch! it was a wreck!
After I termed (well officially she did because I kept having her pick him up) I wondered why I waited so long! The money wasn't worth it and I did the best I could to work through it...
You told her you could do it not knowing fully what "it" was! Be fair to yourself and the other kiddos and term. Plus sounds like she is a pita mom anyway.
Good luck !!
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Leigh 01:33 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by melilley:
it anymore! I need some advice please! I have a 9 month old who, unless is sleeping, eating, or being held, pretty much cries a high pitched cry all day, EVERY day! He will play 1-2 times a day and not cry, but other than that cries. He cries when playing, when waiting for food, when going to sleep, when doing anything. I don't know if I can take it anymore! I do feel bad because when the mom and I had a phone interview she did tell me that he cries a lot. She said that sometimes he needs to be in a dark room alone-I told her I could only do that at his napping times, and I've tried that, but only in the p&p when I thought he was tired, but that didn't work and I can't let him scream alone in a room, I feel bad.
I thought I could handle it as in the past I have been a lead teacher in an infant room and toddler room and have come across many babies who have cries a lot, but I also had help. Here it's just me. I've had him for about 3 months now and it's really starting to wear on me. I have talked to mom and at first she said I could carry him around...well I can't-I have 4-6 children a day and now he is heavy and it is impossible.

She has also said maybe it's over or under stimulation and to hold him and turn on water and if he goes towards it, he needs more stimulation, if he shies away from it, he needs less stimulation Also he has to poop, he this he that, I just don't get it, there doesn't seem to be anything specific that makes him cry, he just does all day! This is the brother of the 2.5 year old who I told about in a thread last week who's mom is an education major and knows everything about children and say's that her 32 month old is saying stuff to her that no 32 month old would or could say on their own without being coached and saying that he doesn't like it here, yet he screams and throws a fit when he has to leave. Anyways, some of her theories or suggestions of what to do make no sense and aren't practical for a fcc.

I want to term, but at the same time, I told her I could handle it. I would feel bad terming, but it's also wearing terribly on my nerves and it's adding to what I already talked about last week. What would you do? Have you ever said you could handle something that had to do with a child, but then come to find out, couldn't?

Thanks for letting me vent, I needed that.....he's about to scream, his food is gone off of his tray. Ughhh!
Mom must be at the end of her rope to actually suggest putting him in a dark room alone. He is crying because he NEEDS something. My guess would be that he is uncomfortable or in pain. He needs to see a doctor. Could be an allergy, could be anything. A child should not have to cry all day-Mom needs to step up and get to the bottom of it. I'd insist on a doctor's visit (and a note from doctor for you telling you how to deal with whatever the issue is) or term.
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Laurel 02:19 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by melilley:
it anymore! I need some advice please! I have a 9 month old who, unless is sleeping, eating, or being held, pretty much cries a high pitched cry all day, EVERY day! He will play 1-2 times a day and not cry, but other than that cries. He cries when playing, when waiting for food, when going to sleep, when doing anything. I don't know if I can take it anymore! I do feel bad because when the mom and I had a phone interview she did tell me that he cries a lot. She said that sometimes he needs to be in a dark room alone-I told her I could only do that at his napping times, and I've tried that, but only in the p&p when I thought he was tired, but that didn't work and I can't let him scream alone in a room, I feel bad.
I thought I could handle it as in the past I have been a lead teacher in an infant room and toddler room and have come across many babies who have cries a lot, but I also had help. Here it's just me. I've had him for about 3 months now and it's really starting to wear on me. I have talked to mom and at first she said I could carry him around...well I can't-I have 4-6 children a day and now he is heavy and it is impossible.

She has also said maybe it's over or under stimulation and to hold him and turn on water and if he goes towards it, he needs more stimulation, if he shies away from it, he needs less stimulation Also he has to poop, he this he that, I just don't get it, there doesn't seem to be anything specific that makes him cry, he just does all day! This is the brother of the 2.5 year old who I told about in a thread last week who's mom is an education major and knows everything about children and say's that her 32 month old is saying stuff to her that no 32 month old would or could say on their own without being coached and saying that he doesn't like it here, yet he screams and throws a fit when he has to leave. Anyways, some of her theories or suggestions of what to do make no sense and aren't practical for a fcc.

I want to term, but at the same time, I told her I could handle it. I would feel bad terming, but it's also wearing terribly on my nerves and it's adding to what I already talked about last week. What would you do? Have you ever said you could handle something that had to do with a child, but then come to find out, couldn't?

Thanks for letting me vent, I needed that.....he's about to scream, his food is gone off of his tray. Ughhh!
Even though you said you could handle it there is no shame in saying "Well it turns out that it isn't going to work out after all. I tried but I think he needs one on one care."

Also, I think the doctor's note someone else said is a good idea for something like this in the future.

Laurel
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cheerfuldom 03:13 PM 05-20-2013
I would term. This is not your problem to fix. I think its pretty telling that the mom is going to be working taking care of other kids while sending her own to daycare. Doesnt sound like this kid is a good fit for a daycare.
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youretooloud 03:27 PM 05-20-2013
It sounds like they are in denial.

I had an infant who's parents said he did NOT cry all the time. But, here, he cried NONSTOP. It wasn't the kind of cry you could handle either.

They continued to deny he cried at home. But, the older brother would say things that you could tell was something they said all the time. Like "Oh, Bobby, crying again?"

My final straw was when they whole family...cousins, kids other babies, everybody went to Florida for 14 days, and they left him with friends. Obviously, he was bad enough that they didn't want to include him on a huge family reunion get together in Florida, and they were willing to leave their infant son with someone else. Of course, he was here at my house both weeks, and the lady who was watching him looked like she wanted to punch herself in the head for agreeing to it.

(they are no longer friends)

So, shortly after that, I dropped the family, because I just wasn't getting any help from the parents. Even a simple "Oh, he's killing us at home too" would have made me feel better.

He went to grandma for a short time, then SHE called me and begged me to take them back, and she told me he was the hardest child she's ever met. That helped a little, but I "was full".

I did eventually take him back. He's much better now. But, waiting for him to outgrow that was a living nightmare. I'm honestly still traumatized over it.
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melilley 05:21 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by youretooloud:
It sounds like they are in denial.

I had an infant who's parents said he did NOT cry all the time. But, here, he cried NONSTOP. It wasn't the kind of cry you could handle either.

They continued to deny he cried at home. But, the older brother would say things that you could tell was something they said all the time. Like "Oh, Bobby, crying again?"

My final straw was when they whole family...cousins, kids other babies, everybody went to Florida for 14 days, and they left him with friends. Obviously, he was bad enough that they didn't want to include him on a huge family reunion get together in Florida, and they were willing to leave their infant son with someone else. Of course, he was here at my house both weeks, and the lady who was watching him looked like she wanted to punch herself in the head for agreeing to it.

(they are no longer friends)

So, shortly after that, I dropped the family, because I just wasn't getting any help from the parents. Even a simple "Oh, he's killing us at home too" would have made me feel better.

He went to grandma for a short time, then SHE called me and begged me to take them back, and she told me he was the hardest child she's ever met. That helped a little, but I "was full".

I did eventually take him back. He's much better now. But, waiting for him to outgrow that was a living nightmare. I'm honestly still traumatized over it.
That happened with this child too! His brother got his tonsils out so the parents had this baby stay overnight at a friends house so that they could stay with the bro after surgery. Well the next day they dropped them off and you could tell the lady was worn out. She told me that L hadn't slept all night, that he wanted to sleep with her and her husband, but they wouldn't let him so he was up most of the night. I told mom this when she picked up and she was like-he's up all the time at night!
I can't believe that family left him at home for that reunion! Part of me thinks that this mother is being a nanny for her friend to get away from the crying. I too was waiting to see if he would outgrow it, but I don't think I can!
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melilley 05:28 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by Leigh:
Mom must be at the end of her rope to actually suggest putting him in a dark room alone. He is crying because he NEEDS something. My guess would be that he is uncomfortable or in pain. He needs to see a doctor. Could be an allergy, could be anything. A child should not have to cry all day-Mom needs to step up and get to the bottom of it. I'd insist on a doctor's visit (and a note from doctor for you telling you how to deal with whatever the issue is) or term.
I should tell her I need a note, but I feel stuck now because I have been downplaying his crying because I thought it was just normal for him and I thought that I could handle it. And she gave me that lame tip "from the doctor" on how to see if he is under or too stimulated so I figured the doctor already knew how he was, but at the same time, her friend is a doctor so maybe it came from her.
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melilley 05:29 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by Christie71:
I feel for you!!
I had a baby 3-6 months that cried non stop!! He wouldn't even sleep! I did it for three months- I only had him part time and he had no schedule at home! He was held all the time, laid down on his tummy for sleep- on the couch! it was a wreck!
After I termed (well officially she did because I kept having her pick him up) I wondered why I waited so long! The money wasn't worth it and I did the best I could to work through it...
You told her you could do it not knowing fully what "it" was! Be fair to yourself and the other kiddos and term. Plus sounds like she is a pita mom anyway.
Good luck !!
Thanks! and so true, I don't think the money is worth it anymore!
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MyAngels 06:29 PM 05-20-2013
Originally Posted by cheerfuldom:
I would term. This is not your problem to fix. I think its pretty telling that the mom is going to be working taking care of other kids while sending her own to daycare. Doesnt sound like this kid is a good fit for a daycare.


His parents should be dealing with and correcting this problem, not you.
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mrsnj 02:54 AM 05-21-2013
As you read in my thread I have a screamer too. Mine screams all the time. When you feed her. When you change her. Only time she is quiet is when a bottle is in her mouth and sometimes even then. She does nap though. But she uses a paci and cannot self sooth or play alone. Mom now has resorted to a sling which I am sure is soooooo helping matters. And the baby is huge so fussing mom uses that bottle as a paci too. It is rough no answers. Crying does t bother me though. She is in a carrier all the time and cannot sit or roll or hold her head up long. She screams at me cause I make her do things like play on the floor and in the bouncer. I think some of the issues is mom. But the child is high maintenance and has some sensory issues. I think in my case she is used to demanding and receiving and be be because I don't do that I know that doesn't help.

What to do? Not even sure what to tell you. If you have tried it all there isn't much left as options. You ned to decide if its worth it or if you can keep it up. ESP if its effecting the other kids

And yes I have said I can do things when I cannot. We aren't supper provider. Sometimes we have to admit defeat.
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melilley 10:32 AM 05-21-2013
Originally Posted by mrsnj:
As you read in my thread I have a screamer too. Mine screams all the time. When you feed her. When you change her. Only time she is quiet is when a bottle is in her mouth and sometimes even then. She does nap though. But she uses a paci and cannot self sooth or play alone. Mom now has resorted to a sling which I am sure is soooooo helping matters. And the baby is huge so fussing mom uses that bottle as a paci too. It is rough no answers. Crying does t bother me though. She is in a carrier all the time and cannot sit or roll or hold her head up long. She screams at me cause I make her do things like play on the floor and in the bouncer. I think some of the issues is mom. But the child is high maintenance and has some sensory issues. I think in my case she is used to demanding and receiving and be be because I don't do that I know that doesn't help.

What to do? Not even sure what to tell you. If you have tried it all there isn't much left as options. You ned to decide if its worth it or if you can keep it up. ESP if its effecting the other kids

And yes I have said I can do things when I cannot. We aren't supper provider. Sometimes we have to admit defeat.
So true, but it's really hard to admit defeat for me sometimes! I keep thinking that I can do this, but today I think I have made up my mind! He won't stop scream crying unless I hold him and sometimes then it doesn't work! Basically unless he's sleeping he's crying. He does play sometimes, but it doesn't last long. Crying has never bothered me before, but for some reason this time it is. I think I know what I need to do!
Thanks
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Blackcat31 10:40 AM 05-21-2013
Originally Posted by melilley:
So true, but it's really hard to admit defeat for me sometimes! I keep thinking that I can do this, but today I think I have made up my mind! He won't stop scream crying unless I hold him and sometimes then it doesn't work! Basically unless he's sleeping he's crying. He does play sometimes, but it doesn't last long. Crying has never bothered me before, but for some reason this time it is. I think I know what I need to do!
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Dear DCP

Please accept this letter as written notice of my intent to discontinue our agreement for child care services.

The last day I will be able to provide services is xxxday, May xx, 2013.

I feel at this time that I am simply not able to fully meet Bobby's needs and do not think my program is a good fit for him.

I am including the number to the local child care resource and referral to aid you in your search for new care.

Please understand that this is in no way a negative outlook on Bobby's behavior. It is just more than I am able to provide at this time.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Sincerely

Tried EVERYTHING provider

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melilley 11:07 AM 05-21-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Dear DCP

Please accept this letter as written notice of my intent to discontinue our agreement for child care services.

The last day I will be able to provide services is xxxday, May xx, 2013.

I feel at this time that I am simply not able to fully meet Bobby's needs and do not think my program is a good fit for him.

I am including the number to the local child care resource and referral to aid you in your search for new care.

Please understand that this is in no way a negative outlook on Bobby's behavior. It is just more than I am able to provide at this time.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Sincerely

Tried EVERYTHING provider
Oh my word, you read my mind! I was going to ask for help in writing a termination letter, I've never had to write one before! Now, I just have to get up the nerve to do it! Thank You!
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Unregistered 12:24 PM 05-21-2013
I had a crier that sounded like satan himself was coming to our door. It was a scream with a horrible growling noise. She would not stop crying and cried when held, fed, put down, etc. She'd cry to sleep, she'd just cry. No real reason. She was 10 months old at the time she started getting even WORSE. I finally let her go because I was going crazy. The mom was PISSED at me, I mean really mad, and now I see her at school functions for my kids....The baby is now 3 years old I believe? She is a brat, too and I observe a lot. Mom does NOTHING to let her know that a certain behavior is not ok. NO WONDER!

She was one of two babies that did nothing but cry. The first one at least was 3 months old and had colic, so it was more tolerable. This one just didn't like ANYTHING.

When I termed, I realized I didn't have to deal with this nonsense. I just didn't want to and could not put up with it any longer.
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