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daycare 03:24 PM 05-12-2014
So I was just given 60 days notice by my landlord that I will have to move house. I live in a very upscale community where there is nothing for rent right now and I am freaking out. I don't know what I am going to do and I don't know how I am going to find a place in 2 weeks so that I can turn around and give parents a 30 day notice.

I don't have anything in my contract that says that I have to give them notice should I move or what would happen if we did. I don't know what I am going to do.

The last time I moved with Daycare it was 550plus miles away, so it was no big deal. I gave an end date all of my clients left. I am the only income for my family and I don't know who is going to rent to us and let me rent do daycare out of their home. I do have a huge insurance policy if that helps at all.

I just sold my home downsouth a few months back and so I have nothing to show as profit of income. I break even or show very little profit on my taxes.

I am about to puke. What do I do...HELP
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Luvnmykidz 03:42 PM 05-12-2014
I don't have any advice for you but just wanted to say sorry that you are going through this. I hope it all works out for you.
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daycare 03:48 PM 05-12-2014
Originally Posted by Luvnmykidz:
I don't have any advice for you but just wanted to say sorry that you are going through this. I hope it all works out for you.
thanks, I have been crying since I got the notice. I am sure I will lose many clients If I cant' stay in the area
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craftymissbeth 04:16 PM 05-12-2014
Doesn't California have a law that landlords can't keep you from having a home daycare? Maybe I'm thinking of another state.

Ugh, I'm sorry you're going through this! Did they say why you have to move out?
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daycare 04:19 PM 05-12-2014
Originally Posted by craftymissbeth:
Doesn't California have a law that landlords can't keep you from having a home daycare? Maybe I'm thinking of another state.

Ugh, I'm sorry you're going through this! Did they say why you have to move out?
well they can't tell me I can't run daycare, but it will be hard to find someone that will allow me to have one there, at least this is the case I ran into in the past, plus it is a large DC.

I did call and ask the property mgt if they would be willing to take an extra $1000n a month could we stay? I have to wait it out a few days to see what they say
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EntropyControlSpecialist 04:43 PM 05-12-2014
I am so sorry. That is so awful.
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Crystal 05:40 PM 05-12-2014
So sorry Daycare. I hope it works out for you!
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midaycare 06:48 PM 05-12-2014
I'm sorry you're going through this. I was a renter for quite some time, and it's very difficult when you are at someone else's whim.
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NightOwl 07:19 PM 05-12-2014
I know you're afraid of losing clients, but I promise, there's more where those came from! Childcare will never be obsolete. If you move away, there will be families at the new location who will be thrilled to have you.
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daycare 07:43 PM 05-12-2014
Originally Posted by Wednesday:
I know you're afraid of losing clients, but I promise, there's more where those came from! Childcare will never be obsolete. If you move away, there will be families at the new location who will be thrilled to have you.
thanks for the encouragement. I guess I stress due to the fact that there are a million daycares in my area and it took me almost 2 years to fill to cap.

I am also stressing that I am the only one with income. After 7 years of medical school, my husband decided that he wanted to own a gym and does not like the politics of the medical indy. Yes that was a hard pill to swallow, but I can't make him work in a field that keeps him so unhappy. It does suck that we are 100s in debt, but I am hoping that he will change of heart once he realizes that we need the money just to pay those loans off.

So my husband has a very cool popular START up crossfit gym, but we are not making any money yet, nor are we breaking even. BUT I promised I would give it 3 years.

UGH and to top it all off today is my 10th wedding anniversary.......what a day I have had..
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spud912 11:37 AM 05-13-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
thanks for the encouragement. I guess I stress due to the fact that there are a million daycares in my area and it took me almost 2 years to fill to cap.

I am also stressing that I am the only one with income. After 7 years of medical school, my husband decided that he wanted to own a gym and does not like the politics of the medical indy. Yes that was a hard pill to swallow, but I can't make him work in a field that keeps him so unhappy. It does suck that we are 100s in debt, but I am hoping that he will change of heart once he realizes that we need the money just to pay those loans off.

So my husband has a very cool popular START up crossfit gym, but we are not making any money yet, nor are we breaking even. BUT I promised I would give it 3 years.

UGH and to top it all off today is my 10th wedding anniversary.......what a day I have had..
I wanted to say something yesterday but got swamped with things. I'm really sorry you're going through this! That is a ton of stress! Have you started looking to see if there are any rentals nearby? I suppose if need be, you could always downsize and then the income hit won't be as bad. Let me know if you need to talk more! I can just feel your stress and definitely understand!
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Blackcat31 11:52 AM 05-13-2014
Wow, that sucks!!

Why is it exactly that your landlord is now asking you to move? If you've lived there a long time and been good tenants I am confused as to what the issue is.

(sorry, if I missed it in the other replies )
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NeedaVaca 11:54 AM 05-13-2014
I'm sorry you are going through this! I would strongly encourage your DH to find some kind of job using his degree! It doesn't have to be forever but he should have to shoulder some responsibilities for the debt for his education. Sports medicine? Something related to what he enjoys (gym)? I'm sure there are opportunities out there... I can't imagine a cross fit gym would pay off those debts even in 3 years, that should be on the side IMO.
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originalkat 06:27 AM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by NeedaVaca:
I'm sorry you are going through this! I would strongly encourage your DH to find some kind of job using his degree! It doesn't have to be forever but he should have to shoulder some responsibilities for the debt for his education. Sports medicine? Something related to what he enjoys (gym)? I'm sure there are opportunities out there... I can't imagine a cross fit gym would pay off those debts even in 3 years, that should be on the side IMO.
I agree. I know you didnt ask about him...but it just seems like he needs to do something to help in this situation too. I am all about my hubby following his dream (that is why my daycare is our only income right now too). He is applying to MD/Phd schools. BUT when the rubber meets the road the bills have to be paid.
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mountainside13 06:38 AM 05-14-2014
I'm sorry you are going through this! You have gotten a lot of great advice, so
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daycare 06:53 AM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Wow, that sucks!!

Why is it exactly that your landlord is now asking you to move? If you've lived there a long time and been good tenants I am confused as to what the issue is.

(sorry, if I missed it in the other replies )
the landlords daughter is getting a divorce and needs some where to live. I understand that blood is thicker than water.

I still have not heard back from her if she will accept my offer and in the mean time I have not found anything at all. Houses are selling lot hot cakes, wish I could buy one, but I would need about 25% down for a 700k house because that is what a fixer upper goes for.

Yeah I don't have 175k to put down, otherwise I could take on the payments of a house no problem.

AND yesterday I found out that I will have to start the whole licensing process over again. YUP so I will need to find a house tomorrow (can't even find 1) get all of the landscape, fire access, disaster plan, evac plan resubmit the application and then wait to be approved. This could take 30-90 days and THEN once I get my approval by LIC then I have to go to the Fire DEPT and get them to approve me too which is another 30-90 days. SO as it looks, I have no choice but to close the daycare and start over.

As for my husband, well that's a whole different thing that I am trying not to stress over. I have learned to pick and choose my battles. He gave me the benefit of the doubt when I opened by DC business and he supported me and saw me through, I would feel like a hypocrite if I didn't do the same.
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kathiemarie 07:24 AM 05-14-2014
I know in past posts you have said something to the likes of your DH's family having money and how they always want to give to it to him (I think to buy things he doesn't need...) but is there any way they can help right now? I know it hard asking for help (especially from in-laws!!!) but sometimes we have to. Not for a down payment but to cover bills or help pay rent, anything?
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daycare 07:30 AM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by kathiemarie:
I know in past posts you have said something to the likes of your DH's family having money and how they always want to give to it to him (I think to buy things he doesn't need...) but is there any way they can help right now? I know it hard asking for help (especially from in-laws!!!) but sometimes we have to. Not for a down payment but to cover bills or help pay rent, anything?
I have money...not trying to sound snobby, money is not the issue here. its the fact that I don't have a house to move to and even when I do find one having to go through all of the LIC process again I will not be able to keep my daycare open. THen I will only be able to survive for about 5-6 months..
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spud912 07:50 AM 05-14-2014
You can always move to Arizona and be my neighbor.
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daycare 07:57 AM 05-14-2014
hahahha you and I could start a reality show together. The Crazies of DC.....we have the craziest parents.....lol

awe thanks spuds you are a sweetheart...
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kathiemarie 08:13 AM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
I have money...not trying to sound snobby, money is not the issue here. its the fact that I don't have a house to move to and even when I do find one having to go through all of the LIC process again I will not be able to keep my daycare open. THen I will only be able to survive for about 5-6 months..
I didn't take it as snobby... Its great you have $$ in reserve. Hope you are able to find something asap.
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daycare 08:21 AM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by kathiemarie:
I didn't take it as snobby... Its great you have $$ in reserve. Hope you are able to find something asap.
thanks..... when I said it out loud it sounded funny..

Insert my funny accent here " I have money"...lol
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EntropyControlSpecialist 09:00 AM 05-14-2014
On the plus side....maybe you can get less crazy clients?!
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mom2many 10:10 AM 05-14-2014
I've known several providers that moved... Selling one house & buying another. It was years ago and they just had a small family daycare, so fire clearance wasn't necessary.

Is there any way, you could get your licensing office to clear your new home without closing and re opening, if you only had 8 kids? That would at least keep things going until you had your fire clearance. I know it used to be a simple thing- notifying them of a change in address and getting an inspection to continue your business...but like many other things, that isn't always the case now.

Where I live rental properties have been getting more scarce, but there are still homes available. Many families choose to move at the end of the school year, so hopefully something will open up in your neighborhood!

We've owned our home for 30 years and I feel so bad for you being forced to move like this. That would be a horrible situation to be in & I hope you find something soon!
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TwinKristi 10:10 AM 05-14-2014
Well, I just saw your other post and now I see this one which I guess I missed Monday. I would probably start with a small daycare since a landlord can't tell you no to that and then when they see you have things together, seek approval for a large. You may or may not be able to. It's not easy BUT if you have a good reference from your current landlord, insurance, parent statements, etc. you could tip things in your favor. But I would imagine you would have a hard time finding a landlord willing to go straight to a large family daycare in this rental market. I don't even have the space to do it and doubt my landlord would allow it. Most people I know who have larges own their home.
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daycare 11:25 AM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
Well, I just saw your other post and now I see this one which I guess I missed Monday. I would probably start with a small daycare since a landlord can't tell you no to that and then when they see you have things together, seek approval for a large. You may or may not be able to. It's not easy BUT if you have a good reference from your current landlord, insurance, parent statements, etc. you could tip things in your favor. But I would imagine you would have a hard time finding a landlord willing to go straight to a large family daycare in this rental market. I don't even have the space to do it and doubt my landlord would allow it. Most people I know who have larges own their home.
I found this....

http://www.childcarelaw.org/docs/Q%2...ies%202009.pdf

I don't think they can say no as I only do have 12 kids
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TwinKristi 01:15 PM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
I found this....

http://www.childcarelaw.org/docs/Q%2...ies%202009.pdf

I don't think they can say no as I only do have 12 kids
This is good to know! I could do a large after all with 12 kids! I don't want to, but it's good to know! LOL
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daycare 01:18 PM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by TwinKristi:
This is good to know! I could do a large after all with 12 kids! I don't want to, but it's good to know! LOL
yes it is good to know that the option is there if you ever need to.....
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TwinKristi 01:26 PM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
yes it is good to know that the option is there if you ever need to.....
Yeah I've considered going large with dh as my asst but trying to figure out how to schedule a dang dental appt for my kids is already proving to be a hassle, I can't imagine if we both "had to" be here.

Rent prices have gone up SOOOOO much lately! I have been so thankful we found our house when we did. We can't find anything even close to ours for less than $2000/mo! More likely we'd be paying close to $3k if we moved to an "ideal" home with some dedicated daycare room.
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Blackcat31 01:35 PM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
yes it is good to know that the option is there if you ever need to.....
In the link you provided it says:

"If you already have a family child care home, but you are moving to a new house
or apartment, ask your licensing analyst when you have to tell your landlord.

Sometimes the amount of time required for the notice can be shortened because it might take less than 30 days to transfer your license to the new home."

So as far as transferring your license goes, it sounds like a fairly simple process.


I also want to add that just because a landlord can't say no to you running a child care out of your home, he/she can give an alternate reason for denying you or for evicting you.

MAY MY LANDLORD EVICT ME FOR HAVING A FAMILY CHILD CARE HOME?

"No. As discussed above, your landlord cannot stop you from providing licensed family child care for six or twelve children, which also means that he or she cannot evict you for providing licensed child care.

However, family child care providers should be extra careful to comply with all of the other provisions in their lease, because a landlord still can evict you for other reasons, like failure to pay rent on time, if the landlord’s family is moving into the rental unit or a violation of the terms of the lease.

In cities that do not have eviction-control ordinances, a landlord can evict a tenant without any reason by giving a proper thirty-day notice at the end of the lease term. However, a landlord cannot pretend that they are using a “no-cause” eviction if the real reason for the eviction is because the tenant is a family child care provider"



Sounds like even though they (landlords) aren't suppose to use that excuse, we all know they could. Just like when we term someone in child care. We don't always give the "real" reason...kwim?



Wow, Daycare....I sure hope you are able to find something. I am sending all the good luck, wishes and positive mojo I have your way.

I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you too!

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daycare 04:33 PM 05-14-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
In the link you provided it says:

"If you already have a family child care home, but you are moving to a new house
or apartment, ask your licensing analyst when you have to tell your landlord.

Sometimes the amount of time required for the notice can be shortened because it might take less than 30 days to transfer your license to the new home."

So as far as transferring your license goes, it sounds like a fairly simple process.


I also want to add that just because a landlord can't say no to you running a child care out of your home, he/she can give an alternate reason for denying you or for evicting you.

MAY MY LANDLORD EVICT ME FOR HAVING A FAMILY CHILD CARE HOME?

"No. As discussed above, your landlord cannot stop you from providing licensed family child care for six or twelve children, which also means that he or she cannot evict you for providing licensed child care.

However, family child care providers should be extra careful to comply with all of the other provisions in their lease, because a landlord still can evict you for other reasons, like failure to pay rent on time, if the landlord’s family is moving into the rental unit or a violation of the terms of the lease.

In cities that do not have eviction-control ordinances, a landlord can evict a tenant without any reason by giving a proper thirty-day notice at the end of the lease term. However, a landlord cannot pretend that they are using a “no-cause” eviction if the real reason for the eviction is because the tenant is a family child care provider"



Sounds like even though they (landlords) aren't suppose to use that excuse, we all know they could. Just like when we term someone in child care. We don't always give the "real" reason...kwim?



Wow, Daycare....I sure hope you are able to find something. I am sending all the good luck, wishes and positive mojo I have your way.

I am keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you too!
I did talk with LIC and I found out that it is not as bad as it sounds, but MV was right that I do have to start the process all over again. UGH.

I am not too sure what I am going to do. I did get word that the Landlord is very interested in my offer, but it will stink that I will be having to pay 1000 more a month to live in the same house when if there was anything on the market for that price I could get a much much bigger house. Oh well, I can't worry about a bigger house when I need to worry more about being able to keep my business running. Right now there is NOTHING Out there on the market.

Thank you for all your positive wishes. I need all the positive support that I can get right now I am not taking this well.
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Lyss 05:35 PM 05-14-2014
Hope you get to stay or can find something asap!

I just informed my parents of an upcoming move but I only gave them 2 weeks and one day. I figured if my contract says 2 weeks to make changes or give notice then thats what I would do. I gave them the weekend to drive the route and think it over, then they could give notice within contract terms. I told them on a Friday and said if they wanted to give notice I needed it Monday. But then again I wasn't moving but a mile and actually ended up closer to my families so I knew it wouldn't be a problem, and it wasn't.

I worked in property management for years in my previous life and with self employed people we liked banks statements (blacked out acct numbers) showing consistent income vs taxes because we knew people wrote as much off as possible.
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