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Old 09-20-2020, 06:29 AM
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Went to walmart yesterday and there is no tape when you go in nor arrows showing which way to walk down the aisles.

While I do believe covid is real and should not be taken lightly as it has affected my family greatly; I am also hoping they lift the 14 day quarantine for "everyone the diagnosed person has been around"....shutting down my business causes me much worry. Covid never spread through my large extended family and we are VERY close so? we have had four person with covid at different times during the pandemic. We have had three church families affected with covid at different times. We all wear masks and wash hands as this has become the new norm.

I worry about my sons or dh getting covid as well which currently would shut my business down; or a daycare child getting it shutting my business down. If I am following protocol with cleaning/sanitizing, that's all any other business does and they remain open? So?

I'm sure all this will depend on who is elected and it has become majorly political so???

On another note......It was nice to see some CURRENT college football yesterday even if it wasn't my team....tired of watching old games especially the ones my team loses again
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The one-way entries, the arrows, etc...none of that was stopping spread of Covid. No common sense in that. In fact, it probably caused people to congregate CLOSER to one another. My child has been doing dance/gymnastics and another one, band and one in flag football; another one worked where someone actually HAD covid and no one in our family has gotten it. I think that this has been severely exaggerated and has caused unnecessary fear. I have never seen such a mishandling on something as I have this disease. If they NEVER reported it, people would live normally and enjoy life. Everyone dies, no one escapes that, no matter how far they go to run away from that fact. Closing up shop, missing out on life, fear is not a way to live. What happens to those who live in fear just to die anyway, from something else a day after our puppet masters decide to "let" us have our freedoms again? Would that be worth it? Wouldn't it suck to miss so much just for that to happen? And for someone, it will.
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Old 09-20-2020, 11:25 AM
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The changes in my state, due to Covid, make no sense to me, especially as it relates to childcare.

I and anyone living in my home have to wear a mask all day long but the daycare children donít, not even the school aged daycare children that are wearing masks all day in school. However, my school aged children have to wear masks all day in my home as long as daycare is running. So only the provider and her family can spread covid, but not the daycare children?

We werenít supposed to have children from other daycares in our daycare but we are encouraged to take on school-aged children on their remote learning days who are exposed to a school full of kids.

If we fill our full-time slots with part-time school aged kids, we take a beating in loss of income. On top of that, we have to spend more on cleaning supplies and PPE and work more hours sanitizing everything and filling out paperwork to verify that we sanitized everything every day.

The only relief weíre offered is loans to pay back. If I was struggling before, I sure as heck donít want more loans to repay.

If any member of my household merely has close contact with someone who tested positive, I have to close for mandatory quarantine, even if itís one of my school-aged children and my daycare is run from my basement and the daycare kids donít enter my familyís living area. They can be kept completely separate, but Iíd still have to inconvenience families and lose income and thatís before any of us even test positive.

People keep saying itís all going away after November 3. Not sure I believe that but I sure hope they are right!
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Old 09-20-2020, 03:09 PM
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The changes in my state, due to Covid, make no sense to me, especially as it relates to childcare.

I and anyone living in my home have to wear a mask all day long but the daycare children don’t, not even the school aged daycare children that are wearing masks all day in school. However, my school aged children have to wear masks all day in my home as long as daycare is running. So only the provider and her family can spread covid, but not the daycare children?

We weren’t supposed to have children from other daycares in our daycare but we are encouraged to take on school-aged children on their remote learning days who are exposed to a school full of kids.

If we fill our full-time slots with part-time school aged kids, we take a beating in loss of income. On top of that, we have to spend more on cleaning supplies and PPE and work more hours sanitizing everything and filling out paperwork to verify that we sanitized everything every day.

The only relief we’re offered is loans to pay back. If I was struggling before, I sure as heck don’t want more loans to repay.

If any member of my household merely has close contact with someone who tested positive, I have to close for mandatory quarantine, even if it’s one of my school-aged children and my daycare is run from my basement and the daycare kids don’t enter my family’s living area. They can be kept completely separate, but I’d still have to inconvenience families and lose income and that’s before any of us even test positive.

People keep saying it’s all going away after November 3. Not sure I believe that but I sure hope they are right!
I think November will bring some changes; but I'm not sure there will be many changes that will affect schools/daycare. Remote learning, hybrid or total remote, will be in place the entire year which will keep our schools to four days at most so the teachers can use the off-day/s for total remote students.

I just hope the quarantine-mandates change some to help keep schools/daycare open and the actual positive person/child is quarantined....not the entire community that has been near this person/child.
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Old 09-21-2020, 07:29 AM
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The changes in my state, due to Covid, make no sense to me, especially as it relates to childcare.

I and anyone living in my home have to wear a mask all day long but the daycare children don’t, not even the school aged daycare children that are wearing masks all day in school. However, my school aged children have to wear masks all day in my home as long as daycare is running. So only the provider and her family can spread covid, but not the daycare children?

We weren’t supposed to have children from other daycares in our daycare but we are encouraged to take on school-aged children on their remote learning days who are exposed to a school full of kids.

If we fill our full-time slots with part-time school aged kids, we take a beating in loss of income. On top of that, we have to spend more on cleaning supplies and PPE and work more hours sanitizing everything and filling out paperwork to verify that we sanitized everything every day.

The only relief we’re offered is loans to pay back. If I was struggling before, I sure as heck don’t want more loans to repay.

If any member of my household merely has close contact with someone who tested positive, I have to close for mandatory quarantine, even if it’s one of my school-aged children and my daycare is run from my basement and the daycare kids don’t enter my family’s living area. They can be kept completely separate, but I’d still have to inconvenience families and lose income and that’s before any of us even test positive.

People keep saying it’s all going away after November 3. Not sure I believe that but I sure hope they are right!
This confusion is the perfect example of two different and separate "wars" going on.

One being the subject of health and safety for all Americans and the other being the struggle to economically survive.

I mean let's be honest....I am willing to bet that most, if not all of us would not be open if we didn't "NEED" the income. Most of us wouldn't be risking our lives and the lives of our families if we didn't need to put food on the table and keep the lights on.

The health side of it is the rules we are having to deal with. Some are down right silly and illogical at best while others are simply actions I think are imposed to somehow make us feel more confident in continuing to stay open.

Everything is a chain and child care providers are an important link in that chain. That link breaks and a lot of fall out occurs economically for many. Not just the providers but the families using our services so they too can continue to work (pay bills/eat etc).

I don't have any idea what the answer to it all is and I am not necessarily buying that it will all be over after the election, although I feel like ALOT of the info has been politically skewed. I still believe COVID is real. But I certainly am not willing to say that one person's actions or inactions directly caused someone's death.

That's as silly as blaming McDonald's for obesity.

I think everyone has to do their research and do what is right for them personally. The answer will never be a one size fits all. The way to manage COVID correctly is as clear as mud just as the way COVID actually affects each person differently.

On one side we have to protect our health and on the other we must protect our ability to live both economically and freely and each person/family needs to find the balance that is right for them.

I appreciate the stores that went through the trouble of requiring masks and taping off entries etc.. I appreciate the efforts they've made as companies and can't fault them for relaxing a bit on the stringent rules they started with.

The only thing I can do is continue to make decisions based on my/my family's best interests. Shop at stores I trust are following health and safety measures and skip those that aren't. Doesn't mean Joe's Shop down the street is horrible because they aren't enforcing the mask mandate. It just means I probably won't shop there until things are a bit more under control.

This pandemic is the perfect example of how you (general you) can't simply say, THIS is the right thing to do. PERIOD. Because people are showing we do live in a country that allows freedom of choice. We can't complain about that just because some make choices I don't agree with.

Do I wish everyone thought the same way and behaved the same way...some times yes, but most times no. Because I like that we live in a country that allows us all to choose how we want to live and while I understand the argument that safety protocols such as social distancing/wearing mask will help protect everyone, it's the same as the long debated war on vaccinations....Not everyone agrees so rather than shame them or even venture to think or point out they are wrong, I have to simply do what works for me/my family.

There will never be a solid one size fits all answer.....just a gray area where we all have the freedom to choose where we stand in that area while still realizing we can't force others to agree or disagree with us.

Freedom definitely isn't free and it always comes with "fall out" for some but I'd still rather live in this chaos than live in a country that dictates how I should think, feel and act at all times.

That is my rambling 2 cents on this whole thing.

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Old 09-21-2020, 07:47 AM
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This confusion is the perfect example of two different and separate "wars" going on.

One being the subject of health and safety for all Americans and the other being the struggle to economically survive.

I mean let's be honest....I am willing to bet that most, if not all of us would not be open if we didn't "NEED" the income. Most of us wouldn't be risking our lives and the lives of our families if we didn't need to put food on the table and keep the lights on.

The health side of it is the rules we are having to deal with. Some are down right silly and illogical at best while others are simply actions I think are imposed to somehow make us feel more confident in continuing to stay open.

Everything is a chain and child care providers are an important link in that chain. That link breaks and a lot of fall out occurs economically for many. Not just the providers but the families using our services so they too can continue to work (pay bills/eat etc).

I don't have any idea what the answer to it all is and I am not necessarily buying that it will all be over after the election, although I feel like ALOT of the info has been politically skewed. I still believe COVID is real. But I certainly am not willing to say that one person's actions or inactions directly caused someone's death.

That's as silly as blaming McDonald's for obesity.

I think everyone has to do their research and do what is right for them personally. The answer will never be a one size fits all. The way to manage COVID correctly is as clear as mud just as the way COVID actually affects each person differently.

On one side we have to protect our health and on the other we must protect our ability to live both economically and freely and each person/family needs to find the balance that is right for them.

I appreciate the stores that went through the trouble of requiring masks and taping off entries etc.. I appreciate the efforts they've made as companies and can't fault them for relaxing a bit on the stringent rules they started with.

The only thing I can do is continue to make decisions based on my/my family's best interests. Shop at stores I trust are following health and safety measures and skip those that aren't. Doesn't mean Joe's Shop down the street is horrible because they aren't enforcing the mask mandate. It just means I probably won't shop there until things are a bit more under control.

This pandemic is the perfect example of how you (general you) can't simply say, THIS is the right thing to do. PERIOD. Because people are showing we do live in a country that allows freedom of choice. We can't complain about that just because some make choices I don't agree with.

Do I wish everyone thought the same way and behaved the same way...some times yes, but most times no. Because I like that we live in a country that allows us all to choose how we want to live and while I understand the argument that safety protocols such as social distancing/wearing mask will help protect everyone, it's the same as the long debated war on vaccinations....Not everyone agrees so rather than shame them or even venture to think or point out they are wrong, I have to simply do what works for me/my family.

There will never be a solid one size fits all answer.....just a gray area where we all have the freedom to choose where we stand in that area while still realizing we can't force others to agree or disagree with us.

Freedom definitely isn't free and it always comes with "fall out" for some but I'd still rather live in this chaos than live in a country that dictates how I should think, feel and act at all times.

That is my rambling 2 cents on this whole thing.
I appreciate the 'rambling'

Covid takes us all over the place with our thoughts, but one thing is for sure "respect" is not around for these "rambling thoughts" or at least in my area of the world.

I feel like those family members who feel the election will change things will realize that all things can't change at that point....particularly with schools/daycares. "remote learning' is in and families need daycare due to these hybrid remote learning systems. It will be left to individual school board systems to make these decisions and/or the state government....and it can't automatically go back to the 'way it was'.

Good post, by the way!
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Old 09-21-2020, 08:04 AM
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I appreciate the 'rambling'

Covid takes us all over the place with our thoughts, but one thing is for sure "respect" is not around for these "rambling thoughts" or at least in my area of the world.

I feel like those family members who feel the election will change things will realize that all things can't change at that point....particularly with schools/daycares. "remote learning' is in and families need daycare due to these hybrid remote learning systems. It will be left to individual school board systems to make these decisions and/or the state government....and it can't automatically go back to the 'way it was'.

Good post, by the way!
True! ...and no matter what decision is made for each area, there will always be the other side that is unhappy.

There is NO pleasing everyone. It's just not possible.

It's important for us to understand and accept that yesterday is the past and we are never going back...this was true before the pandemic as well it was just not so obvious...

We hear it all the time when the older generations talk about how great yesteryear was etc....

Change happens all the time and the sooner each person embraces and accepts that, the happier and more optimistic they will be in my honest opinion.

Change is inevitable but growth is not. I am definitely learning what and who is truly important from this pandemic.
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This confusion is the perfect example of two different and separate "wars" going on.

One being the subject of health and safety for all Americans and the other being the struggle to economically survive.

I mean let's be honest....I am willing to bet that most, if not all of us would not be open if we didn't "NEED" the income. Most of us wouldn't be risking our lives and the lives of our families if we didn't need to put food on the table and keep the lights on.

The health side of it is the rules we are having to deal with. Some are down right silly and illogical at best while others are simply actions I think are imposed to somehow make us feel more confident in continuing to stay open.

Everything is a chain and child care providers are an important link in that chain. That link breaks and a lot of fall out occurs economically for many. Not just the providers but the families using our services so they too can continue to work (pay bills/eat etc).

I don't have any idea what the answer to it all is and I am not necessarily buying that it will all be over after the election, although I feel like ALOT of the info has been politically skewed. I still believe COVID is real. But I certainly am not willing to say that one person's actions or inactions directly caused someone's death.

That's as silly as blaming McDonald's for obesity.

I think everyone has to do their research and do what is right for them personally. The answer will never be a one size fits all. The way to manage COVID correctly is as clear as mud just as the way COVID actually affects each person differently.

On one side we have to protect our health and on the other we must protect our ability to live both economically and freely and each person/family needs to find the balance that is right for them.

I appreciate the stores that went through the trouble of requiring masks and taping off entries etc.. I appreciate the efforts they've made as companies and can't fault them for relaxing a bit on the stringent rules they started with.

The only thing I can do is continue to make decisions based on my/my family's best interests. Shop at stores I trust are following health and safety measures and skip those that aren't. Doesn't mean Joe's Shop down the street is horrible because they aren't enforcing the mask mandate. It just means I probably won't shop there until things are a bit more under control.

This pandemic is the perfect example of how you (general you) can't simply say, THIS is the right thing to do. PERIOD. Because people are showing we do live in a country that allows freedom of choice. We can't complain about that just because some make choices I don't agree with.

Do I wish everyone thought the same way and behaved the same way...some times yes, but most times no. Because I like that we live in a country that allows us all to choose how we want to live and while I understand the argument that safety protocols such as social distancing/wearing mask will help protect everyone, it's the same as the long debated war on vaccinations....Not everyone agrees so rather than shame them or even venture to think or point out they are wrong, I have to simply do what works for me/my family.

There will never be a solid one size fits all answer.....just a gray area where we all have the freedom to choose where we stand in that area while still realizing we can't force others to agree or disagree with us.

Freedom definitely isn't free and it always comes with "fall out" for some but I'd still rather live in this chaos than live in a country that dictates how I should think, feel and act at all times.

That is my rambling 2 cents on this whole thing.
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