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williams2008 07:56 AM 06-20-2013
Soooooooo a dcp told me today that his dcbs that are twins can not go outside anymore because the keep getting bit by mosquito's here or at their moms house. I told him that I am sorry, but they have to have outside time when the weather permits so he can come pick them up during outside time or keep them at home. Now he is talking about pulling them

Can I get a break already?!?!?!?!?!?
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SilverSabre25 07:58 AM 06-20-2013
put bug repellant on if it's that much of a concern...?
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williams2008 08:05 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
put bug repellant on if it's that much of a concern...?
I told him that I use bug repellant, but he still doesn't want them to go outside
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SilverSabre25 08:08 AM 06-20-2013
I bet he's looking for a custody battle with mom and/or an excuse to pull them. That's stupid.

Not to put too fine a point on it...
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williams2008 08:11 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I bet he's looking for a custody battle with mom and/or an excuse to pull them. That's stupid.

Not to put too fine a point on it...
I figure he is using as an excuse to pull them out. I'm sorry but If he does not pick them up before outside time, they will be going out with the rest of us.
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SilverSabre25 08:15 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
I figure he is using as an excuse to pull them out. I'm sorry but If he does not pick them up before outside time, they will be going out with the rest of us.
I'm sorry he's being a nitwit
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Laurel 09:12 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I'm sorry he's being a nitwit
Nitwit? I haven't heard that word in a long time. It's a great word along with knuckle head.

Laurel
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Starburst 09:15 AM 06-20-2013
Has he tried getting one of those bug repellent bracelets?
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TheGoodLife 09:17 AM 06-20-2013
Good luck finding a place that will agree to NEVER take your children outside!
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Blackcat31 09:18 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
I figure he is using as an excuse to pull them out. I'm sorry but If he does not pick them up before outside time, they will be going out with the rest of us.
Who is the actual custodial parent? Who enrolled the children with you?

Is he aware that most states REQUIRE outside time for ALL children? What does he think is going to happen when they get to school?

Keeping a child indoors at all times is akin to neglect IMHO.

He could try lightweight, long sleeves on the kids or better yet, you could have your playground area sprayed and have the bill sent to him.
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Lyss 09:26 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I'm sorry he's being a nitwit


No outside?! That's ridiculous! Does he realize its a requirement? Put on a long sleeve shirt! Maybe his threat to pull is just trying to assert authority or DCM is blaming him for them so he's putting it on you? Maybe an excuse to pull them like others said?

I had a DCD that was always trying to pull some sort of power struggle with me because at home DCM ruled the roost with an iron fist. After a few pointless arguments (over type of shoes, art, walks...) and threats to pull I said if it happened again they were getting an immediate term. That ended it thankfully and when DCB aged out I was not sad to see that family go (they were divorcing at that point too!)

Did he come pick up or did DCBs go out with you?
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Play Care 09:48 AM 06-20-2013
Just a word of warning - last year two of my dc boys kept coming in with what we thought were mosquito bites. We couldn't understand why they were getting them and no one else was. Turned out they both had impetigo

If the kids actually have bites all over them (as opposed to Dad claiming there are bites everywhere that only he can see) that might be a possibility.
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Cradle2crayons 09:51 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Play Care:
Just a word of warning - last year two of my dc boys kept coming in with what we thought were mosquito bites. We couldn't understand why they were getting them and no one else was. Turned out they both had infantago.

If the kids actually have bites all over them (as opposed to Dad claiming there are bites everywhere that only he can see) that might be a possibility.
Or bed bugs!!!!
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My3cents 10:03 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
Soooooooo a dcp told me today that his dcbs that are twins can not go outside anymore because the keep getting bit by mosquito's here or at their moms house. I told him that I am sorry, but they have to have outside time when the weather permits so he can come pick them up during outside time or keep them at home. Now he is talking about pulling them

Can I get a break already?!?!?!?!?!?
Ask the parent to bring in a natural safe bug spray for the kids. Some kids are just magnets to bugs. I would also tell the parent that it is part of life.

Let them pull the kids, they will go to another daycare that will tell them the same thing. It is a law that kids have outside time. It is also a lot of work to find a new daycare they are willing to go through all that again let them have it. Good for you for standing your ground. Chin up it will get better.

Advertise your britches off and don't even let this glitch worry you. Coo coo-
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williams2008 10:12 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Lyss:


No outside?! That's ridiculous! Does he realize its a requirement? Put on a long sleeve shirt! Maybe his threat to pull is just trying to assert authority or DCM is blaming him for them so he's putting it on you? Maybe an excuse to pull them like others said?

I had a DCD that was always trying to pull some sort of power struggle with me because at home DCM ruled the roost with an iron fist. After a few pointless arguments (over type of shoes, art, walks...) and threats to pull I said if it happened again they were getting an immediate term. That ended it thankfully and when DCB aged out I was not sad to see that family go (they were divorcing at that point too!)

Did he come pick up or did DCBs go out with you?
No, he didn't pick them up and yes I took them outside!!
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williams2008 10:16 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Who is the actual custodial parent? Who enrolled the children with you?

Is he aware that most states REQUIRE outside time for ALL children? What does he think is going to happen when they get to school?

Keeping a child indoors at all times is akin to neglect IMHO.

He could try lightweight, long sleeves on the kids or better yet, you could have your playground area sprayed and have the bill sent to him.
The parents are not married, nor do they live together. You can tell the dad run things by the way he try to correct the mom when it comes to the boys in front of me. I forgot to mention that they both enrolled the boys and yes I told him that we are required to go out. He told me he is going to keep them from going outside at home as well.
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williams2008 10:20 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Mama2Bella:
Good luck finding a place that will agree to NEVER take your children outside!
The way these kids were acting today, they needed to be outside to run off some of that energy they have!
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EntropyControlSpecialist 10:21 AM 06-20-2013
Hmm, the two ladies above me make good points. Could you ask him to take the children to the Doctor to see if it might be something else? "Humor" him. Or, type up an information sheet that has tips for how to keep mosquitos off of children and encourage him to give that sheet to DCM as well. Put it back on him.
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williams2008 10:22 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Starburst:
Has he tried getting one of those bug repellent bracelets?
He hasn't tried anything but telling me I can't take them outside anymore
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EntropyControlSpecialist 10:22 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
The way these kids were acting today, they needed to be outside to run off some of that energy they have!
Keeping them inside would be punishment for everyone. There are certain children in my care that I would have to term if I was "banned" from going outside by their parent.
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williams2008 10:22 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I'm sorry he's being a nitwit

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williams2008 10:24 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Keeping them inside would be punishment for everyone. There are certain children in my care that I would have to term if I was "banned" from going outside by their parent.
It sure would and I am not willing to negotiate my outside time!! If anything since the weather has been so nice here, I was thinking of spending more time outside!
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williams2008 10:25 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by My3cents:
Ask the parent to bring in a natural safe bug spray for the kids. Some kids are just magnets to bugs. I would also tell the parent that it is part of life.

Let them pull the kids, they will go to another daycare that will tell them the same thing. It is a law that kids have outside time. It is also a lot of work to find a new daycare they are willing to go through all that again let them have it. Good for you for standing your ground. Chin up it will get better.

Advertise your britches off and don't even let this glitch worry you. Coo coo-
Thank you!! It has to otherwise I may looking for a job
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EntropyControlSpecialist 10:36 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
It sure would and I am not willing to negotiate my outside time!! If anything since the weather has been so nice here, I was thinking of spending more time outside!
Always a great plan! The more time we spend outside, the better the children seem to behave.

I actually put something on my business Facebook page about outdoor time. Let me scour through status updates and try to find it to post here.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 10:38 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
It sure would and I am not willing to negotiate my outside time!! If anything since the weather has been so nice here, I was thinking of spending more time outside!
Always a great plan! The more time we spend outside, the better the children seem to behave.

I actually put something on my business Facebook page about outdoor time. Let me scour through status updates and try to find it to post here.

Edited: Found it!

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SilverSabre25 10:47 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Cradle2crayons:
Or bed bugs!!!!
Or fleas
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Leigh 10:48 AM 06-20-2013
ARE they the only ones getting bitten? If so, it COULD be happening at mom's house, or it could be that it isn't mosquito bites (as previously mentioned).

If you DO actually have a mosquito problem (and who doesn't?), then I would spray the yard. I use Cutter Bug Free Backyard every 3 weeks, and it does a great job of keeping bugs down (spray everything you can reach, up into trees, on the house, everything. Or, you could hire a pest control company to count mosquitos and see if you really do have a problem.
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SilverSabre25 10:49 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Laurel:
Nitwit? I haven't heard that word in a long time. It's a great word along with knuckle head.

Laurel
It is a great word. As is knucklehead. All things I say on a regular basis. I have a larger than normal vocabulary. and it's a great way to make kiddos laugh.
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momofsix 10:58 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Always a great plan! The more time we spend outside, the better the children seem to behave.

I actually put something on my business Facebook page about outdoor time. Let me scour through status updates and try to find it to post here.

Edited: Found it!
I love this! Do you mind if I steal it?
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Laurel 10:59 AM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
It is a great word. As is knucklehead. All things I say on a regular basis. I have a larger than normal vocabulary. and it's a great way to make kiddos laugh.
I also like Pinhead. What's not to like? I don't use it during daycare but occasionally joke around with my family and use it.

Laurel
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williams2008 02:12 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Always a great plan! The more time we spend outside, the better the children seem to behave.

I actually put something on my business Facebook page about outdoor time. Let me scour through status updates and try to find it to post here.

Edited: Found it!

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EntropyControlSpecialist 02:21 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by momofsix:
I love this! Do you mind if I steal it?
Steal away, it is not mine! It is cottagecountry.com's image (states their website at the top). Everyone should post it on their Facebook pages so parents can learn more about why being outside is HEALTHY.
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Bookworm 02:32 PM 06-20-2013
There was a parent of a 2 yr old DCB who never took him outside unless they were going to the car. When DCB was enrolled in my center, the parents requested that we put mosquito netting around the playground so DCB won't get bitten. When we told them no, they then insisted that we hire a separate teacher just to watch DCB while everyone else is outside. They only lasted 3 weeks.
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williams2008 03:23 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Bookworm:
There was a parent of a 2 yr old DCB who never took him outside unless they were going to the car. When DCB was enrolled in my center, the parents requested that we put mosquito netting around the playground so DCB won't get bitten. When we told them no, they then insisted that we hire a separate teacher just to watch DCB while everyone else is outside. They only lasted 3 weeks.
Are you serious, they wanted you to hire a separate teacher???? The nerve of them

I'll hire a separate teacher at the dcps expense!
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AmyKidsCo 04:49 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Bookworm:
There was a parent of a 2 yr old DCB who never took him outside unless they were going to the car. When DCB was enrolled in my center, the parents requested that we put mosquito netting around the playground so DCB won't get bitten. When we told them no, they then insisted that we hire a separate teacher just to watch DCB while everyone else is outside. They only lasted 3 weeks.
OMG LMAO - they wanted you to put mosquito netting around the playground?!

Back to the OP - what if you looked them over REALLY well when they arrived and documented every mosquito bite, then looked them over again before they go home to prove that they're (hopefully) not being bitten up at your place?
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Unregistered 07:28 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
Soooooooo a dcp told me today that his dcbs that are twins can not go outside anymore because the keep getting bit by mosquito's here or at their moms house. I told him that I am sorry, but they have to have outside time when the weather permits so he can come pick them up during outside time or keep them at home. Now he is talking about pulling them

Can I get a break already?!?!?!?!?!?
I'd explain to the father that any state daycare requires outdoor time. You feel bad he wants to pull the kids over this, but that he won't get any different results anywhere else. He should sign a form for you to spray DEET and that may repel the mosquitos or maybe there is something else that can help. Unfortunately, his child just happens to taste delicious to these bugs. I know this because my own son is a mosquito magnet (well, now we're in a drought, so no need to worry about that anymore...) He was bitten by hundreds and hundreds one time and he got so swollen. We gave him benadryl and calamine and cortizone and he was good as new in a week. This happened at daycare and well, frankly, even if it hadn't, it may have just happened anywhere. He just tastes good, I guess.
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blandino 07:41 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by AmyKidsCo:
OMG LMAO - they wanted you to put mosquito netting around the playground?!

Back to the OP - what if you looked them over REALLY well when they arrived and documented every mosquito bite, then looked them over again before they go home to prove that they're (hopefully) not being bitten up at your place?
I actually had the thought of offering to hire someone to watch the child while you go outside, BUT at the parents expense. "DCD, licensing regulations prevent me from leaving your child alone inside while we play outside, but I would be more than happy to hire someone to come in for 1hr per day while we go outside. I pay employees $10.00 an hour, so that will be an extra $50.00 in tuition weekly".

I will never understand what the big deal about a mosquito bite is...
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Cradle2crayons 07:49 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by blandino:
I actually had the thought of offering to hire someone to watch the child while you go outside, BUT at the parents expense. "DCD, licensing regulations prevent me from leaving your child alone inside while we play outside, but I would be more than happy to hire someone to come in for 1hr per day while we go outside. I pay employees $10.00 an hour, so that will be an extra $50.00 in tuition weekly".

I will never understand what the big deal about a mosquito bite is...
I understand the big deal where I live. ONE BITE can KILL you. West Nile is outrageous and much too common in our area. Everyone here takes Mosquitos very seriously. And I can honestly say neither my kids nor daycare kids get bitten despite their swarming. I use 40% deet on myself and the kids every single day. There's not much success here with most any other spray. Living in the woods, the yard sprays don't work either. And even worse itching are the black gnats. Any deet under 40% won't work. I don't have them bad here but my dad does a mile down the road. They don't cause illness but the itching is much more intense.

Just being honest here, because I'm as careful as I am, I can tell you EXACTLY where and when my kids get a bite. Ad it most certainly doesn't happen here.

Also being honest, if my own kids didn't get bitten at my house because I was really careful but got eaten up in daycare, I'd be HOT. I actuallynhadmthat happen once after leaving my 1.5 year old daughter with a private sitter for two hours with a bottle of skeeter spray and sunblock and begging the person to please use it, returned only to find a sunburned eaten up child and I was not very friendly to that woman.

Here one bite may mean a death sentence, but not everywhere.

If you are using spray there OP and you are positive they didn't happen there, then tell recommend dad to buy some deet. Also, check your spray to be sure it has enough deet in it. My skeeters still bite even with 25% deet. That's why we have to use 40%
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Starburst 07:58 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Steal away, it is not mine! It is cottagecountry.com's image (states their website at the top). Everyone should post it on their Facebook pages so parents can learn more about why being outside is HEALTHY.
I'm pinning it
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Lyss 08:10 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
No, he didn't pick them up and yes I took them outside!!


Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Always a great plan! The more time we spend outside, the better the children seem to behave.

I actually put something on my business Facebook page about outdoor time. Let me scour through status updates and try to find it to post here.

Edited: Found it!
I love this! I'm totally stealing it!!
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Sprouts 08:21 PM 06-20-2013


Tell him he can purchase one of these for his child
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Sprouts 08:24 PM 06-20-2013
I also have read that Bounce dryer sheets are a natural repellent

Below is an article with an actual study that was done

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1215102308.htm
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blandino 08:43 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by Cradle2crayons:
I understand the big deal where I live. ONE BITE can KILL you. West Nile is outrageous and much too common in our area. Everyone here takes Mosquitos very seriously. And I can honestly say neither my kids nor daycare kids get bitten despite their swarming. I use 40% deet on myself and the kids every single day. There's not much success here with most any other spray. Living in the woods, the yard sprays don't work either. And even worse itching are the black gnats. Any deet under 40% won't work. I don't have them bad here but my dad does a mile down the road. They don't cause illness but the itching is much more intense.

Just being honest here, because I'm as careful as I am, I can tell you EXACTLY where and when my kids get a bite. Ad it most certainly doesn't happen here.

Also being honest, if my own kids didn't get bitten at my house because I was really careful but got eaten up in daycare, I'd be HOT. I actuallynhadmthat happen once after leaving my 1.5 year old daughter with a private sitter for two hours with a bottle of skeeter spray and sunblock and begging the person to please use it, returned only to find a sunburned eaten up child and I was not very friendly to that woman.

Here one bite may mean a death sentence, but not everywhere.

If you are using spray there OP and you are positive they didn't happen there, then tell recommend dad to buy some deet. Also, check your spray to be sure it has enough deet in it. My skeeters still bite even with 25% deet. That's why we have to use 40%
I could TOTALLY understand it in that case. And if you had sent bug spray.

I live in an area where it isn't a concern. However, I still have parents who will make mention that their child got a mosquito bite the previous day, and leave it at that. Yes, mosquitoes live outside - and you haven't sent any bug spray. In an area where West Nile is not a concern, it feels a bit blameful and pointlessly so, to tell me your child got a bug bite yesterday. KWIM ?
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Cradle2crayons 08:57 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by blandino:
I could TOTALLY understand it in that case. And if you had sent bug spray.

I live in an area where it isn't a concern. However, I still have parents who will make mention that their child got a mosquito bite the previous day, and leave it at that. Yes, mosquitoes live outside - and you haven't sent any bug spray. In an area where West Nile is not a concern, it feels a bit blameful and pointlessly so, to tell me your child got a bug bite yesterday. KWIM ?
Absolutely know what you mean. To me, I think it would be like a skinned knee and I would insert several eye rolls. As long as it wasn't a west Nile risk, it would be pointless to point fingers unless like others say, there were like 20 of them
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williams2008 05:34 AM 06-21-2013
I looked for the bites and saw 4 on one child and 2 on the other. There has been several times when the mom dropped them off that they had been bitten up pretty badly by mosquitoes and she told me because they had swollen up so she assumes they are allergic to them.

On yesterday when dad dropped them off he said that one of the boys had been itching so he gave him some Benadryl . These boys have been sick for the past week or so and just came back on Wednesday.

Fast forward to them getting up from nap. When I got the dcb up that he gave the Benadryl to I noticed that his eye was swollen, and he was scratching his side. I looked him over and his entire face and body was red and covered in hives and he was scratching non stop. He was fine the entire day, no hives, no itching, or anything

I had this type of outbreak before and went to the emergency room because I couldn't stop itching. They told me it was an allergic reaction to something and gave me a shot. I don't know what caused him to break out like that, I don't know if the dcps aren't telling me everything I need to know. All I know is our routine on yesterday has been the same since they started a year ago. What I served for breakfast, lunch and snack I served it before and they love it.


I called dad to pick them up because I do not administer meds unless it is life threatening. When dad got here he said that dcb has never broken out like that before. All he said is "O he's fine".
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EntropyControlSpecialist 05:51 AM 06-21-2013
Originally Posted by williams2008:
I looked for the bites and saw 4 on one child and 2 on the other. There has been several times when the mom dropped them off that they had been bitten up pretty badly by mosquitoes and she told me because they had swollen up so she assumes they are allergic to them.

On yesterday when dad dropped them off he said that one of the boys had been itching so he gave him some Benadryl . These boys have been sick for the past week or so and just came back on Wednesday.

Fast forward to them getting up from nap. When I got the dcb up that he gave the Benadryl to I noticed that his eye was swollen, and he was scratching his side. I looked him over and his entire face and body was red and covered in hives and he was scratching non stop. He was fine the entire day, no hives, no itching, or anything

I had this type of outbreak before and went to the emergency room because I couldn't stop itching. They told me it was an allergic reaction to something and gave me a shot. I don't know what caused him to break out like that, I don't know if the dcps aren't telling me everything I need to know. All I know is our routine on yesterday has been the same since they started a year ago. What I served for breakfast, lunch and snack I served it before and they love it.


I called dad to pick them up because I do not administer meds unless it is life threatening. When dad got here he said that dcb has never broken out like that before. All he said is "O he's fine".
I, personally, do not take allergic reactions lightly. They really alarm me and I take them EXTREMELY seriously. That child would have been required to be picked up and I would have required a Doctor's note discussing that allergic reaction in length.

I know this may seem dramatic, but I'm not about to have an allergic reaction that has supposedly never happened before reoccur at my daycare facility again and have a child's throat begin to close up or something else equally as scary without an EpiPen and some documentation from the Doctor. No. Just NO. Allergic reactions tend to increase as time goes by, not magically disappear.
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williams2008 05:59 AM 06-21-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
I, personally, do not take allergic reactions lightly. They really alarm me and I take them EXTREMELY seriously. That child would have been required to be picked up and I would have required a Doctor's note discussing that allergic reaction in length.

I know this may seem dramatic, but I'm not about to have an allergic reaction that has supposedly never happened before reoccur at my daycare facility again and have a child's throat begin to close up or something else equally as scary without an EpiPen and some documentation from the Doctor. No. Just NO. Allergic reactions tend to increase as time goes by, not magically disappear.
I had him pick up immediately and told him that he needs to be seen by a doctor. That was a very scary situation for me. I thought about dcb all night. I even called the mom after I closed, she didn't answer
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Childminder 07:33 AM 06-21-2013
Maybe the hive were caused by an allergy to the red dye (or something else) in the Benedryl.
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williams2008 07:43 AM 06-21-2013
I didn't think about that, maybe it was.
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