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Heidi 02:42 PM 06-05-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
To Black cat,

Thank you for understanding me. I appreciate it.

As far as this poster I'm posting a reply to,
Wow you are taking this way out of proportion. That is all I will say.
See...that's the easy answer. Because, you may think that I'm blowing it out of proportion, and in a way, I was (to make the point).

It's just a tired statement "they're not hurting anyone". It DOES hurt someone.

State regs. are in place to help insure the health and safety of it's people. They aren't guarantees, and sometimes they're even unreasonable, but they are what they are, and we don't get to pick-and-choose which ones are okay to break.
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Unregistered 03:07 PM 06-05-2013
Originally Posted by Happy Hearts:
Well, we all know you are unethical.
WHAT! GET over it! This does not even deserve a reply as it is a very stupid statement you made.
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Sugar Magnolia 04:25 PM 06-05-2013
Heidi,

We are wasting our breath. The unregistered poster is a staunch supporter of illegal daycare.
Never thought I'd see the day when someone here posted that. Unreal. I agree with Happy Hearts.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 05:59 PM 06-05-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Heck, I AM a LEGALLY licensed provider and I don't love my DCK's (I like them and grow rather fond of them though ) and I am certainly not a sweetheart as I can be rather difficult to deal with at times.
I was going to say the same exact thing. I like the daycare kids, but I do this as a job to earn income.

I am also licensed. It didn't cost a lot for me to become licensed, however the standards by which I have to abide by are strict and lengthy (200+ pages worth of standards). I had 6 unannounced visits within the past 13 months from the state licensing department just to verify that I was upholding all of the regulations. I have nothing to hide and am willing to do what it takes to ensure other people's children's safety.
There are other options in my state for those that don't want to be subjected to all of these regulations and visits. However, there is ALSO the option to be illegal and if you choose that route in this state you quite obviously have something to hide since the other options require a very, very small fee and very little involvement from the state beyond a background check.

When I see people attempting to operate illegal daycares I always provide information to them concerning the states requirements in a kind way to give them the benefit of the doubt. Some are quite rude since they are aware that they are operating illegally, while others are quite gracious because they simply did not know.
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Unregistered 11:42 AM 06-06-2013
Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me
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Patches 11:46 AM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me
This sounds a little bit troll-ish to me
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Cat Herder 11:53 AM 06-06-2013
Just throwing this out there....

What do you think would happen if CPS started holding PARENTS who choose illegal daycare for their children responsible for their choice?

I know if they let them ride without a seatbelt (also illegal) they are held accountable.

What is the difference?

I think that will be the new topic for letters to my representatives. I am just babysitting, anyway... I have lots of free time while they sit in front of the TV. OK, too far, was asked for free childcare by a acquaintance again today, ya know "since you are home". Feeling punchy.... Sorry.
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Heidi 12:14 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
Just throwing this out there....

What do you think would happen if CPS started holding PARENTS who choose illegal daycare for their children responsible for their choice?

I know if they let them ride without a seatbelt (also illegal) they are held accountable.

What is the difference?

I think that will be the new topic for letters to my representatives. I am just babysitting, anyway... I have lots of free time while they sit in front of the TV. OK, too far, was asked for free childcare by a acquaintance again today, ya know "since you are home". Feeling punchy.... Sorry.
I have never been asked for free childcare. I'll count myself lucky.

As for CPS, I think they have bigger fish to fry, but I sure wish DCF would concentrate more on that, and less on trying to reinvent the wheel by raising the bar higher and higher for us. Wisconsin has some of the most stringent licensing laws in the country, yet they keep coming up with stuff to add to our load.
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Blackcat31 12:17 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me
This is really sad.

If you truly care about the children you watch, why would getting licensed be so difficult?

I don't buy or except the excuse that the paperwork takes too long.

KNOWINGLY providing care that is ILLEGAL sheds a bad light on ALL providers.

KNOWINGLY providing care that is ILLEGAL says alot about your own morals and values.

Do ALL of your child care parents know that you are operating ILLEGALLY? Not that you aren't licensed but that you are actually illegal but that should you get shut down, they would immediately lose their child care?

I also wonder about the legal ramifications of this...is your contract still valid? Would it be upheld in a court of law if a parent were to use your illegal operation against you?

Whew.....that is really a huge risk (on many levels) to take IMHO.
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CedarCreek 12:19 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me
Your begging for it. I hope someone reports you.
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BABYLUVER21 01:04 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
I don't understand. Are you arguing that if someone wants to do illegal daycare that we should mind our own business and let it go?

How about if they want to drive illegally? Lets say they have DWI's up the wazoo or just never took the test?

Decide to open a restaurant from their home next door, without benefit of inspections, licenses, or training of any kind (hey...mom was a great cook).

Decide to cut hair, give perms, or offer tanning services without a license or oversight?

A liquor store or bar?

Want to sell pot or cocaine just down the block?

Where would you draw the line?

Funny thing is, I think some regulations or laws are just plain over-the-top. But does it mean I should only follow the ones I like, because breaking them "isn't hurting anyone".

It DOES hurt someone...those people who made the commitment and took the time to "jump through all the hoops".

If you don't like a law, you can lobby your congress person. But, breaking the law in the meantime is still not okay.
You know what's funny about all that? It is happening EVERY DAY! All of those things you listed, people are doing.

On one hand, it sucks that we have to be regulated for every little thing and that some people may do these things for family and friends and be successful without all the red tape.

On the OTHER hand, people doing it for strangers getting paid without being taxed, without having to pay for permits, without having to be held accountable for anything doing it, taking potential income from others who ARE following all the laws.

AND as consumers, we have limited rights if something goes wrong with someone who is unlicensed/unregulated.
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Sugar Magnolia 01:14 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Somebody mentioned that I might be illegal and the answer is yes. According to my state I can only watch 3 kids including my own and I have 3 kids myself. I currently have 1 family with 2 children and 1 part time child who comes 2 days a week. If I was licensed I could be watching 6 - 8 kids. And background checks can be done if a parent requests it and just because someone can pass a background check meana nothing there are licensed daycare that have been reported for abuse. All the ppaperwork required by the state takes way to much time and like someone said they would be running my business not me
You are LAZY. And SELFISH. Good luck with your illegal operation. Licensing won't be "running" your business. Get legal or get the ==== out.
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Cat Herder 01:22 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
You are LAZY. And SELFISH. Good luck with your illegal operation. Licensing won't be "running" your business. Get legal or get the ==== out.
WOW Sugar.....

I know I have not been on as much as I used to be but.... You, my dear, have blossomed into a bad @$$.

Maybe you should be Steel Magnolia, now....
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Sugar Magnolia 01:32 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
WOW Sugar.....

I know I have not been on as much as I used to be but.... You, my dear, have blossomed into a bad @$$.

Maybe you should be Steel Magnolia, now....
Cat, I think I was just trolled. I bit. I HOPE this is a troll, because knowingly running an illegal child care is just........grrrrrr .....BLOOD BOILING.
I guess I just take this too seriously. It's not funny, at all. Kwim??
I'm usually pretty mild mannered. Sorry guys. Except for the troll, or the illegal operator, you can kiss my hippy rear end.
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Cat Herder 01:38 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
Cat, I think I was just trolled. I bit. I HOPE this is a troll, because knowingly running an illegal child care is just........grrrrrr .....BLOOD BOILING.
I guess I just take this too seriously. It's not funny, at all. Kwim??
I'm usually pretty mild mannered. Sorry guys. Except for the troll, or the illegal operator, you can kiss my hippy rear end.
Oh, I know... believe me. I am swimming in illegal daycares. Two providers within 5 miles are related to me. They have the audacity to try to use me as their reference...

It has always been a hot topic button for me.

My whole *large* county only has two LEGAL home providers... we keep a total of 12 kids between us. With only two commercial centers in 10 miles..... Well, you do the math.

The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.
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Heidi 01:44 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
Oh, I know... believe me. I am swimming in illegal daycares. Two providers within 5 miles are related to me. They have the audacity to try to use me as their reference...

It has always been a hot topic button for me.

My whole *large* county only has two LEGAL home providers... we keep a total of 12 kids between us. With only two commercial centers in 10 miles..... Well, you do the math.

The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.


Wisconsin lost a lot of legal providers when they went to Youngstar (our QRIS) as well. I'm sure not all of those people are out of business. They just went underground, or they take less kids. They can't take state-funded kids unless they're regulated, so it's all private-pay.

I'm considering dropping my license next time around as well (but not operating illegally). There is only so much "they" can keep heaping on us for what amounts to less than minimum wage.
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Sugar Magnolia 01:44 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
Oh, I know... believe me. I am swimming in illegal daycares. Two providers within 5 miles are related to me. They have the audacity to try to use me as their reference...

It has always been a hot topic button for me.

My whole *large* county only has two LEGAL home providers... we keep a total of 12 kids between us. With only two commercial centers in 10 miles..... Well, you do the math.

The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.
Ok, so you are saying people are going from licensed to ILLEGAL? To avoid QRIS? What?!? Omg.....(palm to face) . Oy Vey.
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Leanna 01:48 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
The rest dropped their licensing because of this whole QRIS Ratings thing and never looked back. They are not being investigated, either... I bet the States licensed provider "Compliance Percentage" looks great on paper to the Feds though. Beyond frustrating.
Just wondering why you think it is because of the rating system? What does it involve?
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Heidi 01:48 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
Ok, so you are saying people are going from licensed to ILLEGAL? To avoid QRIS? What?!? Omg.....(palm to face) . Oy Vey.
absolutely they are!
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Cat Herder 01:50 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
Ok, so you are saying people are going from licensed to ILLEGAL? To avoid QRIS? What?!? Omg.....(palm to face) . Oy Vey.
Yes. A few stated it is because even with 20 years of perfect service, you cannot achieve Stars without the College Degree *IN* Child Care/Development.

It was not even available when most of us started and high school seniors are graduating with them in hand, on our tax dollars.

Many providers are just "over it".

I simply printed off HOW they get the STARS and handed that info directly to my clients. They rolled their eyes, laughed and said "We're good.".
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Heidi 02:00 PM 06-06-2013
Here is our point detail...

http://dcf.wi.gov/youngstar/pdf/point_detail_family.pdf


Without a degree, you cannot be 5 star. Without at least 24 ECE credits, you cannot be a 4, and without 18, cannot be a 3.

Our head of DCF went on the news saying that "2 star programs are the equivalent of receiving a D grade".

The 2 star programs are the providers who reluctantly joined Youngstar because they had to (in order to take state-assisted kids). These are people who in some cases have been providers for years, meet the state's 750+ licensing rules, and sometimes are teachers of various childcare courses. But...they are "D" programs in her eyes.

A lot of people just said F-it, and either went unregulated or illegal, even. No one does anything to the illegals here, for the most part.
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Blackcat31 02:06 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
Cat, I think I was just trolled. I bit. I HOPE this is a troll, because knowingly running an illegal child care is just........grrrrrr .....BLOOD BOILING.
I guess I just take this too seriously. It's not funny, at all. Kwim??
I'm usually pretty mild mannered. Sorry guys. Except for the troll, or the illegal operator, you can kiss my hippy rear end.
The sad part is that the "troll" you responded to is NOT the unregistered user that has been continuously posting in this thread (and others) about people minding their own business.

The unregistered poster you replied to did NOT post once in this thread as unregistered so I am completely confused by her statement that someone mentioned she was illegal.

If she is trying to "appear" as if she is the other unregistered user, she has failed.
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Sugar Magnolia 02:07 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
absolutely they are!
And for Cat too......you can't "opt-out" of the whole QRIS program? And keep your license? We can opt-out, we just can't accept state subsidy without participating. My license and everything would be totally unaffected by opting out. I can't BELIEVE they would force people into illegal operation over NOT participating in a quality improvement plan. And I thought Florida was the capital of BS. Oh my..
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Blackcat31 02:08 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Leanna:
Just wondering why you think it is because of the rating system? What does it involve?
Here is your state's site for Quality rating system.

http://qualitystarsny.org/

Each state has different rules but most of the basics are the same.
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Heidi 02:11 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
And for Cat too......you can't "opt-out" of the whole QRIS program? And keep your license? We can opt-out, we just can't accept state subsidy without participating. My license and everything would be totally unaffected by opting out. I can't BELIEVE they would force people into illegal operation over NOT participating in a quality improvement plan. And I thought Florida was the capital of BS. Oh my..
At the moment, you can opt-out. But that won't last forever, and when parents look you up on the state website, all those that opted out show up at the bottom of the list. Each in alphabetical order: 5's first, then 4's, then 3's, then 2's, then 1's (those that are about to be shut down) THEN "provider is not participating".
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Sugar Magnolia 02:13 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
The sad part is that the "troll" you responded to is NOT the unregistered user that has been continuously posting in this thread (and others) about people minding their own business.

The unregistered poster you replied to did NOT post once in this thread as unregistered so I am completely confused by her statement that someone mentioned she was illegal.

If she is trying to "appear" as if she is the other unregistered user, she has failed.
Phew! I thought I might be in trouble for my outburst.
Smelly stinky poo poo pants on trolls.
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Blackcat31 02:19 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
Phew! I thought I might be in trouble for my outburst.
Smelly stinky poo poo pants on trolls.
Your outburst was 100% justified! And appreciated.

I cannot believe anyone can find a logical reason for operating illegally.

It baffles me that those types providers think that just because they love kids, it's all ok.
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Cat Herder 02:24 PM 06-06-2013
Sugar, we can opt out, but the State is also using our tax dollars to fund a huge TV marketing campaign/commercials to tell parents to avoid us even IF we have had no violations in over 20 years.. and stayed licensed in good faith.

To add insult to injury, the State CCR&R website now only shows two inspections for parents to review, so the new 18 year old/straight out of high school/no experience/living in their parents basement "providers" look better by comparison.

( not even two YEARS, two inspections out of 4 per year)
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Leanna 02:34 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Here is your state's site for Quality rating system.

http://qualitystarsny.org/

Each state has different rules but most of the basics are the same.
Yes, that was part of my question...is it like what we have here in NY. But also why some of you think people are operating illegally due to the rating systems?
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Cat Herder 02:39 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Leanna:
some of you think people are operating illegally due to the rating systems?
Not THINK.... KNOW. I belong to a local providers group. It is often a topic of HEATED discussion.....

It is VERY new here.
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Lyss 02:44 PM 06-06-2013
The whole thread makes me sick. Just when you think you hear it all.

I seriously hope this is all just to stir up the pot and not really someone who thinks its totally ok to do things illegally. Its about children, the rules are for their safety! Not wanting to follow them is pure laziness and endangerment, whether you love children or not.

There was a woman that lived down the street from me that had 5 DCKs, a small group by many standards, but 4 were under 15months and the other was barely 2. This is highly illegal, for licensed and unlicensed, in my state because you can only have 2 under 2. She stopped me on the way to the park once because she wanted to chat. She literally said "I just undercut competition by half or so and now I get paid to watch tv" when I told her the laws she replied "well my parents pay in cash so its not traceable and no one can prove otherwise" But hey she must love kids to put up with all those diapers and bottles, so I guess it's ok (I reported her BTW but heard nothing, they moved shortly after so I have no idea what happened but I'm sure she's still at it)

Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
The sad part is that the "troll" you responded to is NOT the unregistered user that has been continuously posting in this thread (and others) about people minding their own business.

The unregistered poster you replied to did NOT post once in this thread as unregistered so I am completely confused by her statement that someone mentioned she was illegal.

If she is trying to "appear" as if she is the other unregistered user, she has failed.
I wondered about this. The OP kept saying she wasn't illegal and only watched one family, then suddenly the other one popped up and I had to go back to try to figure out where this one came from because it didn't sound like the OP
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BABYLUVER21 02:48 PM 06-06-2013
Here the state is trying to go to qualistar ratings and ALL family homes will now be required to have a degree or CDA to run their businesses, even the smaller homes. They also have to start participating in the ratings programs. While for the larger homes this can be an advantage, for the small homes it's a huge disadvantage because to get the CDA here (not thru school but thru the state) is over $500 up front to the class start. A lot of smaller home providers cannot afford this. (There are some families that can only take 2-4 children total because own kids count in capacities or because of their sq footage, etc.) It's why we have a lot of unlicensed homes these days. Many licensed homes have ALSo given up their licenses because they know that by January 2014 that they'll be shut down if they don't finish the classes etc...and so it's pointless. Most did keep their families though.
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Sugar Magnolia 03:04 PM 06-06-2013
Ok, this thread got really off track, but.still pertains to illegal care, so I'll add this:

If good, long-term providers with clear records and happy families.are being forced into illegal operation by DCF AND STATE SPONSORED PROGRAMS to improve quality.........then something is very Very VERY wrong with this picture. If you can opt out and keep your license, or at least still be LEGAL, then that's unfortunate, but waaaaay better than operating illegally.

"Dear Your State,
QRIS programs are meant to improve quality of child care in our.state. Your program is having the opposite effect when it forces good providers to become criminals if they choose not to participate. Shame on you.
Caregiver".
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Heidi 03:19 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
Ok, this thread got really off track, but.still pertains to illegal care, so I'll add this:

If good, long-term providers with clear records and happy families.are being forced into illegal operation by DCF AND STATE SPONSORED PROGRAMS to improve quality.........then something is very Very VERY wrong with this picture. If you can opt out and keep your license, or at least still be LEGAL, then that's unfortunate, but waaaaay better than operating illegally.

"Dear Your State,
QRIS programs are meant to improve quality of child care in our.state. Your program is having the opposite effect when it forces good providers to become criminals if they choose not to participate. Shame on you.
Caregiver".


Good luck getting anyone to listen. NAFCCA, AFSCME, and countless provider groups have tried. SOMEBODY is making money on all of it, just not us.
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Leanna 03:22 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
Not THINK.... KNOW. I belong to a local providers group. It is often a topic of HEATED discussion.....

It is VERY new here.
Really? Quality Stars is new here and I am afraid it will have the same effect. I am not against regulations/standards/etc. but am worried about how things are being implemented. The last thing the early childhood community needs is to be divided.
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Blackcat31 03:29 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Sugar Magnolia:
Ok, this thread got really off track, but.still pertains to illegal care, so I'll add this:

If good, long-term providers with clear records and happy families.are being forced into illegal operation by DCF AND STATE SPONSORED PROGRAMS to improve quality.........then something is very Very VERY wrong with this picture. If you can opt out and keep your license, or at least still be LEGAL, then that's unfortunate, but waaaaay better than operating illegally.

"Dear Your State,
QRIS programs are meant to improve quality of child care in our.state. Your program is having the opposite effect when it forces good providers to become criminals if they choose not to participate. Shame on you.
Caregiver".

Because this country no longer wants child CARE providers.

They want early childhood EDUCATORS.

I truly believe that family child care providers as we know them to be now will NO longer exist within the next 5 (+ or -) years.


Honestly, I DO think that having a CDA should really be a minimum standard. It is NOT hard to get and the education you get IS worth it.

I do NOT think providers should be required to have an actually A.A or A.A.S. degree or higher.
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Heidi 03:41 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Because this country no longer wants child CARE providers.

They want early childhood EDUCATORS.

I truly believe that family child care providers as we know them to be now will NO longer exist within the next 5 (+ or -) years.


Honestly, I DO think that having a CDA should really be a minimum standard. It is NOT hard to get and the education you get IS worth it.

I do NOT think providers should be required to have an actually A.A or A.A.S. degree or higher.
I've never had a problem with them requiring some education. But, if you look at our point system, you could score 100% in ALL areas of quality, and if you don't have a degree, you cannot be a 5 star. That is what I take issue with. If you score so high in all areas, then obviously you've learned it somehow, just not in a college classroom. For me, it was lots of research on my own, and tons of CEU's.

So, education should be a component, but not the only deciding factor. Writing a curriculum or doing assessments or providing teacher-led gym class could be components, just not the only deciding factors.

National Accreditation has 228 standards. About 20 of those are non-negotiable. The rest, you have to meet a percentage of to be accredited. If the QRIS were similar, it would be much fairer. Meet 90% of the standards, you are a 5 star, 80-4 star, etc. Or something like that.

It really confuses me that they even have a 1 star. That means, you are about to be shut down due to licensing violations, and you can't accept state-funded kids. What is the point of that?
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Cat Herder 03:41 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Because this country no longer wants child CARE providers.

They want early childhood EDUCATORS.

I truly believe that family child care providers as we know them to be now will NO longer exist within the next 5 (+ or -) years.


Honestly, I DO think that having a CDA should really be a minimum standard. It is NOT hard to get and the education you get IS worth it.

I do NOT think providers should be required to have an actually A.A or A.A.S. degree or higher.
Child Care is already dead... they just have not officially identified the body.

I loved the CDA training... I oppose the continued annual fee fee's, pressured accreditations, mandatory paid memberships in associations that receive money from the afore mentioned fee fees.... just to KEEP the CDA. blah, blah, blah

Not to mention the *recommended purchases* that are constantly pushed on you or the legislative measures you are *encouraged" to support.

With each new mailing I first look for the Scientology logo... Just kidding, but... ugh
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Heidi 03:43 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
Child Care is already dead... they just have not officially identified the body.

I loved the CDA training... I oppose the continued annual fee fee's, pressed accreditations, mandatory paid memberships in associations that receive money from the afore mentioned fee fees.... just to KEEP the CDA. blah, blah, blah

Not to mention the *recommended purchases* that are constantly pushed on you or the legislative measures you are *encouraged" to support.

With each new mailing I first look for the Scientology logo... Just kidding, but... ugh


I always say that I am in the program because I have to be, but I am NOT drinking the Koolaid.
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Blackcat31 04:06 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Cat Herder:
Child Care is already dead... they just have not officially identified the body.

I loved the CDA training... I oppose the continued annual fee fee's, pressured accreditations, mandatory paid memberships in associations that receive money from the afore mentioned fee fees.... just to KEEP the CDA. blah, blah, blah

Not to mention the *recommended purchases* that are constantly pushed on you or the legislative measures you are *encouraged" to support.

With each new mailing I first look for the Scientology logo... Just kidding, but... ugh
Hmm, I wonder if things have changed a lot since I first did mine. I remember having to be part of an association which wasn't a huge deal as I LOVE the magazine and info I get from the NAEYC and as far as renewal goes, I only had to take a couple CEU's or credits once every 5 years and that was all.

I didn't even receive regular mailings from them.

If they ARE starting to really be pushy and annoying about it, I can see why it would be a turn off to providers who already have enough on their plates working 12-15 hour days.
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Sugar Magnolia 04:31 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Heidi:
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I always say that I am in the program because I have to be, but I am NOT drinking the Koolaid.

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Cat Herder 04:49 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Hmm, I wonder if things have changed a lot since I first did mine. .
So far my understanding is:

*$15 for renewal application packet.

*$100 for "processing" said packet.

*$ for 4.5 CEUs ( 1 "hour" classes= .1 CEUs and prices vary for $10-$65 per hour here unless you can attend the occasional free classes, that will count for CEUS, offered 2 hours away on weekdays. This is AFTER you have already paid for and completed 120 hours.)

* a letter from a "supervisor" stating you worked 80 hours (if you work alone you have to beg your CCR&R and wait patiently for them to respond no matter how over worked they already are)

*Letter of Recommendation from a certified reviewer...a stranger at best/competitor at worst... who comes into your home and micromanages your program. (THIS is where it gets very VERY sticky for private home providers/parents who prefer a home like environment) The pressure is harsh.

* Documented proof of membership in an association with a couple "recommended" by your reviewer.

It really gets overwhelming...$$$$ I may have missed a step or two, I have opted out of renewal.

Back to topic , sorry, I know I am the wost.

ILLEGAL daycare is wrong, wrong, wrong!!! No matter how frustrated you are with the system. The QRIS thing will wash itself out eventually, ride it out. It is not the first government program to upset small business owners, it won't be the last.

Wear your 1-2 STARS proudly like the Sneetches if you have to.... Eventually, it will all work out.
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nannyde 06:35 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I am the poster of the original post above this quote, first let me say that I am a former nurse and have had all the training you need to take care of a child,second I have had two children of my own,now have families of their own. I did not need any extra training courses to raise my own kids, I raised them just fine. Do you think that women need to be licensed to raise their own kids? I know that's a loaded question, but seriously, if a women can raise her own children, then why does she need to be licensed to care for others...I know this sounds ridiculous, but it just makes a point.

As far as the licensed daycare home being dirty, no that is not the case with every licensed daycare home, but in turn does that mean that all unlicensed daycare homes are unsafe or dirty ? No, it doesn't.

Some of us unlicensed providers just choose to only care for a few kids and not make it a career, but want to do it because we love the little ones. That does not make us bad people or not responsible. It does cost a lot to be licensed and for just taking a couple kids,from the same family, it is hard for people to afford to do updates on their homes to be licensed for one thing. If you plan on making it a career and have the money to do that , then go for it.

I just don't think it is fair to judge providers for whatever choice they make,whether they are licensed or not and how they advertise. It really is nobody's business on how we conduct our own daycare business, it is up to each provider to as how they do things and their choices. It is hard enough to find kids theses days anyway as many people are losing their jobs, money is tight and they are having to pull their kids out of daycare or look for cheaper ways of finding care.

So lets not nit pic about whether one provider is licensed or not and how they advertise. Initially it is up to parents to choose the right provider for their child and there preferences.
It isn't up to the parents. The laws were made long before they had their child. The laws didn't consider their opinion because they aren't knowledgeable about the care of other people's children. You don't get that either. Caring for other people's kids isnt anything like caring for your own.
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Lyss 08:06 PM 06-06-2013
So I'm going to continuing the OT conversation (who wants to go on about the OPost anyway ) with a quick question:

I have an AAS in Early Childhood Education how does this relate to the CDA? as in is it higher, lower, the same? I feel a bit special on this topic as I've never heard of a CDA until this forum.
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Blackcat31 08:29 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Lyss:
So I'm going to continuing the OT conversation (who wants to go on about the OPost anyway ) with a quick question:

I have an AAS in Early Childhood Education how does this relate to the CDA? as in is it higher, lower, the same? I feel a bit special on this topic as I've never heard of a CDA until this forum.
Your degree is higher and requires more credits and courses.

A CDA is only a portion of those credits or courses.

Not sure how "old" a CDA credential is but I earned mine in 1993-94 originally.

I stopped renewing it when I got my A.A.S. as the current degree trumps the CDA .
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