Daycare.com Forum
Daycare Center and Family Home Forum>There Is No Hope.....
Meeko 10:57 AM 07-27-2012
Conversation overheard between the kids at lunch:
DCB 1 (9yrs) When my mom gets the money on her card, we're going to the movies.
DCB 2(6yrs) What does that mean?
DCB 1 My mom gets money put on a special card and when it gets there, we go do special stuff like movies, and swimming and skiing and get fun stuff......
He's talking about his mothers Horizon card....her welfare card.
Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
DCB 1 (9yrs) When my mom gets the money on her card, we're going to the movies.
DCB 2(6yrs) What does that mean?
DCB 1 My mom gets money put on a special card and when it gets there, we go do special stuff like movies, and swimming and skiing and get fun stuff......
He's talking about his mothers Horizon card....her welfare card.
Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
Oneluckymom 11:04 AM 07-27-2012
They can use it any way they like? You mean there are no restrictions on how it can be spent? Thats kinda of sad. We can't afford to go to the movies and we aren't on welfare ! Seems like there are a lot of people out there scamming the system. I have seen people on welfare with nice cars and blackberry's, etc. It's horrible !!
Heidi 11:09 AM 07-27-2012
Originally Posted by Oneluckymom:
They can use it any way they like? You mean there are no restrictions on how it can be spent? Thats kinda of sad. We can't afford to go to the movies and we aren't on welfare ! Seems like there are a lot of people out there scamming the system. I have seen people on welfare with nice cars and blackberry's, etc. It's horrible !!
In Wisconsin, they did away with "welfare" for that very reason. You can get food stamps, you can get childcare assistance or rental assistance, but you almost never get cash. Of course, many people still find ways around that, and there is a real problem because there are actually non-food items people need. Like toilet paper or diapers. So they are motivated to try to sell their food that they get from food stamps so that they can buy those items...and a few more. They can use it any way they like? You mean there are no restrictions on how it can be spent? Thats kinda of sad. We can't afford to go to the movies and we aren't on welfare ! Seems like there are a lot of people out there scamming the system. I have seen people on welfare with nice cars and blackberry's, etc. It's horrible !!
I don't know what the answer is, but there's got to be a creative solution! Chances are, if anyone came up with it the politicians would argue it to death so long, it would never happen. If it did, it would be in affect for about 6 months, then get tied up in appeals and court rulings. sheesh..
Countrygal 12:03 PM 07-27-2012
Milwaukee county had a solution that worked pretty well, from what I understood. The people who were able had to work for their welfare money. They got "paid" below minimum wage and paid in welfare money. It was incentive for them to get a job and kept the city parks and streets really clean! 
Most of the jobs were picking up litter, cleaning park bathrooms, things like that. There was a lot of stink about it, but the program seemed good to me. I could understand that someone who had kids could not afford to work for welfare money, but single guys/women without kids or couples who were both on welfare certainly would be able to. I don't think the program is still in effect, because there were too many problems and too many politicians were against it.
Most of the jobs were picking up litter, cleaning park bathrooms, things like that. There was a lot of stink about it, but the program seemed good to me. I could understand that someone who had kids could not afford to work for welfare money, but single guys/women without kids or couples who were both on welfare certainly would be able to. I don't think the program is still in effect, because there were too many problems and too many politicians were against it. Originally Posted by Heidi:
In Wisconsin, they did away with "welfare" for that very reason. You can get food stamps, you can get childcare assistance or rental assistance, but you almost never get cash. Of course, many people still find ways around that, and there is a real problem because there are actually non-food items people need. Like toilet paper or diapers. So they are motivated to try to sell their food that they get from food stamps so that they can buy those items...and a few more.
I don't know what the answer is, but there's got to be a creative solution! Chances are, if anyone came up with it the politicians would argue it to death so long, it would never happen. If it did, it would be in affect for about 6 months, then get tied up in appeals and court rulings. sheesh..
In Wisconsin, they did away with "welfare" for that very reason. You can get food stamps, you can get childcare assistance or rental assistance, but you almost never get cash. Of course, many people still find ways around that, and there is a real problem because there are actually non-food items people need. Like toilet paper or diapers. So they are motivated to try to sell their food that they get from food stamps so that they can buy those items...and a few more.
I don't know what the answer is, but there's got to be a creative solution! Chances are, if anyone came up with it the politicians would argue it to death so long, it would never happen. If it did, it would be in affect for about 6 months, then get tied up in appeals and court rulings. sheesh..
spud912 02:18 PM 07-27-2012
My dh said that he has a coworker that lived a better life living on welfare than her current state of affairs. She currently makes $50,000 a year before taxes and deductions plus child support.
I used to work in the regulatory field and frequently came across families with several children where nobody worked in the household. I can't say what their circumstances were, but I do know that they used food stamps and their housing was free. These families had new brand-name clothing, television with cable, the newest and latest video game systems, tons of newer toys for the kids, newer furniture, brand new cell phones, newer vehicles, etc. Again, I do not know all of their circumstances and they could have received a lot in the way of donations, but I do have to say that they had more "stuff" than we did (and my dh and I lived on 2 decent incomes and no children at the time).
I used to work in the regulatory field and frequently came across families with several children where nobody worked in the household. I can't say what their circumstances were, but I do know that they used food stamps and their housing was free. These families had new brand-name clothing, television with cable, the newest and latest video game systems, tons of newer toys for the kids, newer furniture, brand new cell phones, newer vehicles, etc. Again, I do not know all of their circumstances and they could have received a lot in the way of donations, but I do have to say that they had more "stuff" than we did (and my dh and I lived on 2 decent incomes and no children at the time).
daycarediva 11:14 AM 07-27-2012
UGH! One day care family that I had in the past is the SOLE REASON I no longer accept subsidized care. Brand new iphone, new car, beautiful clothes, food stamps and free day care. 
Daycarelady1979 11:22 AM 07-27-2012
Could it possibly be a child support card?? Or maybe even just her debit card? Maybe she explained it to him that way, "mommy doesn't have any money in the bank so I can't use my card, but when my check is deposited there will be money on the card again" or something like that...
I know even the Children's Hunger Alliance food program now pays their providers with a debit card...so maybe its not what you think??
I know even the Children's Hunger Alliance food program now pays their providers with a debit card...so maybe its not what you think??
dave4him 11:24 AM 07-27-2012
You know why they post signs in animal parks telling you not to feed the animals? They would become dependant on handouts and not know how to make it on their own! ....... ah the irony.
cheerfuldom 11:34 AM 07-27-2012
Originally Posted by dave4him:
You know why they post signs in animal parks telling you not to feed the animals? They would become dependant on handouts and not know how to make it on their own! ....... ah the irony.
i agree. I am sure there are people out there that desperately need the help but I dont know of a single person on welfare that is not milking the system. Its really sad and maybe it is just the people that I know but still.....You know why they post signs in animal parks telling you not to feed the animals? They would become dependant on handouts and not know how to make it on their own! ....... ah the irony.
did you know that welfare was originally created where you use what you need temporarily and then PAY BACK the services when you can? My mom had 9 children (thats right people, nine!) and put herself through college and paid back what she had received during the time that she did have to take assistance.
it was never meant to be a way of life, just a way up. but a lot of people do not have the motivation to use it in an appropriate way.
I can think of several moms right now, that timed TTC having children around the services they would receive, it wasnt like these children were surprises and they needed help as single moms
Heidi 11:50 AM 07-27-2012
Originally Posted by cheerfuldom:
i agree. I am sure there are people out there that desperately need the help but I dont know of a single person on welfare that is not milking the system. Its really sad and maybe it is just the people that I know but still.....
did you know that welfare was originally created where you use what you need temporarily and then PAY BACK the services when you can? My mom had 9 children (thats right people, nine!) and put herself through college and paid back what she had received during the time that she did have to take assistance.
it was never meant to be a way of life, just a way up. but a lot of people do not have the motivation to use it in an appropriate way.
I can think of several moms right now, that timed TTC having children around the services they would receive, it wasnt like these children were surprises and they needed help as single moms
yes, but it's also pretty much designed to keep people dependent. In our state, at least, you can't get childcare subsidy for time you are in college, for instance. Not even an associate's degree. You can be in an approved training program...like CNA. If you're a CNA, you'll probably still be eligible for childcare funding. i agree. I am sure there are people out there that desperately need the help but I dont know of a single person on welfare that is not milking the system. Its really sad and maybe it is just the people that I know but still.....
did you know that welfare was originally created where you use what you need temporarily and then PAY BACK the services when you can? My mom had 9 children (thats right people, nine!) and put herself through college and paid back what she had received during the time that she did have to take assistance.
it was never meant to be a way of life, just a way up. but a lot of people do not have the motivation to use it in an appropriate way.
I can think of several moms right now, that timed TTC having children around the services they would receive, it wasnt like these children were surprises and they needed help as single moms
Once you make 1 cent more than whatever the cut-off is, you loose everything. Food stamps, childcare funding, scholarships for low income, scholarships for your kids to go to camp or learning programs, free lunch at school, and medical assistance. So, what's the incentive to get "off" the system? A few people do it, and then end up being worse off than when they were on it...
When I was newly divorced, I did apply for medical assistance, and my kids got free hot lunch. When I met my new hubby, I would have been better off NOT getting married. . His income put us over the limits. My kids would have been able to go to university programs free, not pay hot lunch at $50 a month per child, and we wouldn't have had to pay for family health insurance. oh well....
Blackcat31 02:26 PM 07-27-2012
Originally Posted by Meeko:
Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
The cards here are called EBT cards but are often refered to as "Everybody's Taxes Cards". Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
I had two DCM's last year who went to Disneyland for all of Spring Break.......both were on assistance (cash/food/child care and medical). One even left her 12 month old behind with grandma and grandma still brought him to daycare everyday.....all paid for by child care assistance too.
I have a client right now that is going on her 15th year of assistance. We have a 5 yr lifetime limit here but there are apparently loopholes that negate that rule.
I am all for a hand up but am getting really tired of the handout.
I can only provide for so many people and my tax dollars are not stretching very far anymore. FWIW~ I have NEVER been to Disneyland either.
Bugsworthy 08:14 PM 07-27-2012
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I am all for a hand up but am getting really tired of the handout.
I can only provide for so many people and my tax dollars are not stretching very far anymore.
My husband was raised by a single mom who worked two jobs to provide for her two children. She refused to go on welfare, and always taught him to work for what you get. To this day, I am grateful for her example. My husband has a fabulous work ethic, and makes me very proud!I am all for a hand up but am getting really tired of the handout.
I can only provide for so many people and my tax dollars are not stretching very far anymore.
EntropyControlSpecialist 07:14 AM 07-28-2012
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
The cards here are called EBT cards but are often refered to as "Everybody's Taxes Cards".
I had two DCM's last year who went to Disneyland for all of Spring Break.......both were on assistance (cash/food/child care and medical). One even left her 12 month old behind with grandma and grandma still brought him to daycare everyday.....all paid for by child care assistance too.
I have a client right now that is going on her 15th year of assistance. We have a 5 yr lifetime limit here but there are apparently loopholes that negate that rule.
I am all for a hand up but am getting really tired of the handout.
I can only provide for so many people and my tax dollars are not stretching very far anymore. FWIW~ I have NEVER been to Disneyland either.
My teen's first mother has been on assistance for 18+ years at this point. I want to say it is closer to 30 years (based on what one of her four children, who is 30, told me). Though, it may be Church/religious institution assistance 30 years ago which transitioned to welfare.The cards here are called EBT cards but are often refered to as "Everybody's Taxes Cards".
I had two DCM's last year who went to Disneyland for all of Spring Break.......both were on assistance (cash/food/child care and medical). One even left her 12 month old behind with grandma and grandma still brought him to daycare everyday.....all paid for by child care assistance too.
I have a client right now that is going on her 15th year of assistance. We have a 5 yr lifetime limit here but there are apparently loopholes that negate that rule.
I am all for a hand up but am getting really tired of the handout.
I can only provide for so many people and my tax dollars are not stretching very far anymore. FWIW~ I have NEVER been to Disneyland either.
Zoe 08:01 AM 07-28-2012
That just makes me so mad. My husband lost his job a couple of weeks ago and since I only have a couple of part-time dck's right now we applied for assistance and I pray to God that we qualify for cash so we can get tp, baby wipes, dog food, that sort of thing! How can someone take advantage of something like that? If they have extra money to get living expenses why do they even need to be on welfare?! Ugh, just had to vent there, that made me mad. It's mortifying to me that we had to do this, but we had no choice, and you can sure as heck bet that once he gets a new job we won't be on it anymore!
SilverSabre25 08:55 AM 07-28-2012
Originally Posted by Zoe:
That just makes me so mad. My husband lost his job a couple of weeks ago and since I only have a couple of part-time dck's right now we applied for assistance and I pray to God that we qualify for cash so we can get tp, baby wipes, dog food, that sort of thing! How can someone take advantage of something like that? If they have extra money to get living expenses why do they even need to be on welfare?! Ugh, just had to vent there, that made me mad. It's mortifying to me that we had to do this, but we had no choice, and you can sure as heck bet that once he gets a new job we won't be on it anymore!
Sent you a PM That just makes me so mad. My husband lost his job a couple of weeks ago and since I only have a couple of part-time dck's right now we applied for assistance and I pray to God that we qualify for cash so we can get tp, baby wipes, dog food, that sort of thing! How can someone take advantage of something like that? If they have extra money to get living expenses why do they even need to be on welfare?! Ugh, just had to vent there, that made me mad. It's mortifying to me that we had to do this, but we had no choice, and you can sure as heck bet that once he gets a new job we won't be on it anymore!
Let's just say, I know the feeling...
PitterPatter 09:47 AM 07-28-2012
This is what I mean when I say entitlement syndrome. People who abuse the system because they think they are owed and God forbid they not get thier charity on time or thay are reporting peopl including the case workers. The clients I just let go are the same using the system for life instead of a leg up. My clients bragged about all they could get for free even used the free handouts as excuses for not having supplies.
"The kids dont have diapers today because the _(charity organization)___ didn't drop them off this week like they are supposed to". "The kids wont be there today because the damn welfare didnt put the money on my gas card yet so I have to call off work because I don't have gas in the car" (welfare -dhhs gives them a card they reload every month for gasoline!) When the kids were wearing capris in winter I told her they needed long pants her excuse "I have to take what _(charity organization)___ donates to me and that's what they gave me this month". When I complained about the kids shoes being so small toes were sticking out and the sole was peeling off she said "well I only get 2nd hand from goodwill and they dont have any in their size right now" I got fed up last yr with all the 2nd hand things that dont fit or had holes I went and bought them outfits and shoes. Kids dont have to have the best but it is nice for them to have something decent!
They still owe 2 months copay the subsidy doesnt pay but they can't afford it yet they have been seen at McDonalds eating. They have Marboro cigarettes and snuff. They brag about selling food stamps because they don't use them all becaue they "hit 6 churches every month for food donations".... The Govt helps them TOO much yet when my family member who held her job for 10 years got laid off and needed help last month she made $17.00 too much!?!
Oh and lets not forget because she was on a special working program she (and all others in that program) was given vouchers to use to get NEW furniture from ANY furniture store! She bought a living room suit and the kids have cracked beds the Dad got out of a dumpster!
Sorry this turned into a vent, this subject just hits a nerve with me.
"The kids dont have diapers today because the _(charity organization)___ didn't drop them off this week like they are supposed to". "The kids wont be there today because the damn welfare didnt put the money on my gas card yet so I have to call off work because I don't have gas in the car" (welfare -dhhs gives them a card they reload every month for gasoline!) When the kids were wearing capris in winter I told her they needed long pants her excuse "I have to take what _(charity organization)___ donates to me and that's what they gave me this month". When I complained about the kids shoes being so small toes were sticking out and the sole was peeling off she said "well I only get 2nd hand from goodwill and they dont have any in their size right now" I got fed up last yr with all the 2nd hand things that dont fit or had holes I went and bought them outfits and shoes. Kids dont have to have the best but it is nice for them to have something decent!
They still owe 2 months copay the subsidy doesnt pay but they can't afford it yet they have been seen at McDonalds eating. They have Marboro cigarettes and snuff. They brag about selling food stamps because they don't use them all becaue they "hit 6 churches every month for food donations".... The Govt helps them TOO much yet when my family member who held her job for 10 years got laid off and needed help last month she made $17.00 too much!?!
Oh and lets not forget because she was on a special working program she (and all others in that program) was given vouchers to use to get NEW furniture from ANY furniture store! She bought a living room suit and the kids have cracked beds the Dad got out of a dumpster!
Sorry this turned into a vent, this subject just hits a nerve with me.
Sugar Magnolia 09:58 AM 07-28-2012
Meeko, I think there is hope. Maybe these kids will have a better economic situation than their parents did and not have to rely on assistance. Its not those kids fault their parents needed help. I'd hate to assume these kids will grow up to also be on assistance, if that safety net even exists in the future. Maybe those kids will remember the help they received and "pay it forward" in their adulthood. Maybe I am just looking for the bright side here.
Dave, don't mean to come down on you, I know you are struggling in life too, but its just not kind to compare the needy to animals. Correct me if I am wrong, but on our judgement day, are we not first judged on if we fed the poor? Wasn't Jesus the advocate for the poor, the sick, the powerless and the downtrodden? I don't pretend to know scripture, but I did read the words in red in my family bible. Judge not, lest we be judged?
I think the whole debate over welfare belongs on the news/politics blogs. I try not to politicize anything having to do with children. I'm thinking Meeko was trying to make the point these kids are learning how to scam the state, not work very hard for things they want, grow up feeling "entitled". Perhaps. But maybe not. I know where the other posters are coming from, that it seems unfair and a waste of tax $$. Yes, there is abuse of the system. Yes,.sometimes we as providers see waste and abuse. But I feel it is the state's problem to ensure people aren't cheating and really do qualify, not ours. Our job is to treat children on assistance the same way we treat kids of the wealthy, without bias or judgement. (not directed at you Meeko) They are just kids, they didn't ask to be on assistance. Personally, as a provider who accepts state subsidy, I am just glad these kiddos are with me, and not being watched by some crappy boyfriend, or a grandparent who can't give good care sure to illness or.age, or some sub-par babysitterwho is barely providing basic supervision for the $10 a day they are getting paid. Maybe I am just a bleeding heart, but I truly feel sorry for the kids who didn't ask to be born into poverty. And I don't think any adult living on poverty enjoys telling their child they can't afford to do activities or get a toy because they can't afford it. I have been that parent in the past. No, not on assistance, but not having enough gas money to drive my kids to the free public beach. It sucks. I don't wish that on anyone. Ok, stepping down from soap box. Sorry, just feel strongly on the issue of children and poverty.
Dave, don't mean to come down on you, I know you are struggling in life too, but its just not kind to compare the needy to animals. Correct me if I am wrong, but on our judgement day, are we not first judged on if we fed the poor? Wasn't Jesus the advocate for the poor, the sick, the powerless and the downtrodden? I don't pretend to know scripture, but I did read the words in red in my family bible. Judge not, lest we be judged?
I think the whole debate over welfare belongs on the news/politics blogs. I try not to politicize anything having to do with children. I'm thinking Meeko was trying to make the point these kids are learning how to scam the state, not work very hard for things they want, grow up feeling "entitled". Perhaps. But maybe not. I know where the other posters are coming from, that it seems unfair and a waste of tax $$. Yes, there is abuse of the system. Yes,.sometimes we as providers see waste and abuse. But I feel it is the state's problem to ensure people aren't cheating and really do qualify, not ours. Our job is to treat children on assistance the same way we treat kids of the wealthy, without bias or judgement. (not directed at you Meeko) They are just kids, they didn't ask to be on assistance. Personally, as a provider who accepts state subsidy, I am just glad these kiddos are with me, and not being watched by some crappy boyfriend, or a grandparent who can't give good care sure to illness or.age, or some sub-par babysitterwho is barely providing basic supervision for the $10 a day they are getting paid. Maybe I am just a bleeding heart, but I truly feel sorry for the kids who didn't ask to be born into poverty. And I don't think any adult living on poverty enjoys telling their child they can't afford to do activities or get a toy because they can't afford it. I have been that parent in the past. No, not on assistance, but not having enough gas money to drive my kids to the free public beach. It sucks. I don't wish that on anyone. Ok, stepping down from soap box. Sorry, just feel strongly on the issue of children and poverty.
Kaddidle Care 05:36 AM 07-28-2012
Originally Posted by Meeko:
Conversation overheard between the kids at lunch:
DCB 1 (9yrs) When my mom gets the money on her card, we're going to the movies.
DCB 2(6yrs) What does that mean?
DCB 1 My mom gets money put on a special card and when it gets there, we go do special stuff like movies, and swimming and skiing and get fun stuff......
He's talking about his mothers Horizon card....her welfare card.
Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
If it's on a card like that, the State has record of where the $$'s have been spent. There is no excuse for that sort of blatent frivolous spending.Conversation overheard between the kids at lunch:
DCB 1 (9yrs) When my mom gets the money on her card, we're going to the movies.
DCB 2(6yrs) What does that mean?
DCB 1 My mom gets money put on a special card and when it gets there, we go do special stuff like movies, and swimming and skiing and get fun stuff......
He's talking about his mothers Horizon card....her welfare card.
Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
It's time to start asking the officials why this is allowed.
Perhaps it's not the Welfare card but like someone else suggested something else set up for Child Support. Again.. cards are wonderfully trackable and it may be a system set up to get rid of the rotton eggs.
KEG123 06:07 AM 07-28-2012
I didn't read all the comments, but how do we know it's not her paycheck direct deposited into mom's checking account, which therefor is used on her debit card?? Seems a bit rude of your to assume that it's a cash welfare card. Just my 2cents.
Heidi 07:08 AM 07-28-2012
Originally Posted by KEG123:
I didn't read all the comments, but how do we know it's not her paycheck direct deposited into mom's checking account, which therefor is used on her debit card?? Seems a bit rude of your to assume that it's a cash welfare card. Just my 2cents.
We didn't assume...OP said it was her Horizon card...welfare cardI didn't read all the comments, but how do we know it's not her paycheck direct deposited into mom's checking account, which therefor is used on her debit card?? Seems a bit rude of your to assume that it's a cash welfare card. Just my 2cents.
EntropyControlSpecialist 07:11 AM 07-28-2012
Our teen's first mother did not work for 14+ years. She spent her cash on her boyfriends and beer. Our teen went without proper food, clothing, etc.
Upon him moving in with us, we attempted to report the misuse (because it should have been cut off due to him no longer residing with her). We were unable to report it. It didn't get frozen until we went to court.
We were recently awarded CHIP for him (medicaid with a co-payment) and a couple of weeks later, I was sent a Medicaid card. I don't need Medicaid. Upon calling them to tell them to cancel the Medicaid for me, they refused. 
I told them that I would not be using it because I pay for my insurance with BCBS, but they said that was fine. Baffling.
Upon him moving in with us, we attempted to report the misuse (because it should have been cut off due to him no longer residing with her). We were unable to report it. It didn't get frozen until we went to court.
We were recently awarded CHIP for him (medicaid with a co-payment) and a couple of weeks later, I was sent a Medicaid card.
I don't need Medicaid. Upon calling them to tell them to cancel the Medicaid for me, they refused. I told them that I would not be using it because I pay for my insurance with BCBS, but they said that was fine. Baffling.
Meeko 11:05 AM 07-29-2012
Originally Posted by KEG123:
I didn't read all the comments, but how do we know it's not her paycheck direct deposited into mom's checking account, which therefor is used on her debit card?? Seems a bit rude of your to assume that it's a cash welfare card. Just my 2cents.
The mom herself has often told the kids at pick up " Get your stuff! We're going to the pool....I got money on my Horizon card!"I didn't read all the comments, but how do we know it's not her paycheck direct deposited into mom's checking account, which therefor is used on her debit card?? Seems a bit rude of your to assume that it's a cash welfare card. Just my 2cents.
What I found most sad...and why I made the post is that her kids think that's life and everyone gets it. They have learned that "Horizon card" means "blow money"
She gets a cash benefit every month. She can simply draw out the cash at any ATM...so no record of what it gets spent on.
She has 7 kids in my care. They all have season passes to the local ski resorts every year. We have a water park here called Seven peaks. They have season passes to there too.
She is often too lazy to transfer her day care money to me each month. Especially if the 1st is on a weekend. So she handed me her number and told me to transfer it. When you put in the number over the phone, a recorded voice tells you the benefits on the card.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
Heidi 11:45 AM 07-29-2012
Originally Posted by Meeko:
The mom herself has often told the kids at pick up " Get your stuff! We're going to the pool....I got money on my Horizon card!"
What I found most sad...and why I made the post is that her kids think that's life and everyone gets it. They have learned that "Horizon card" means "blow money"
She gets a cash benefit every month. She can simply draw out the cash at any ATM...so no record of what it gets spent on.
She has 7 kids in my care. They all have season passes to the local ski resorts every year. We have a water park here called Seven peaks. They have season passes to there too.
She is often too lazy to transfer her day care money to me each month. Especially if the 1st is on a weekend. So she handed me her number and told me to transfer it. When you put in the number over the phone, a recorded voice tells you the benefits on the card.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
Wow...just wow!The mom herself has often told the kids at pick up " Get your stuff! We're going to the pool....I got money on my Horizon card!"
What I found most sad...and why I made the post is that her kids think that's life and everyone gets it. They have learned that "Horizon card" means "blow money"
She gets a cash benefit every month. She can simply draw out the cash at any ATM...so no record of what it gets spent on.
She has 7 kids in my care. They all have season passes to the local ski resorts every year. We have a water park here called Seven peaks. They have season passes to there too.
She is often too lazy to transfer her day care money to me each month. Especially if the 1st is on a weekend. So she handed me her number and told me to transfer it. When you put in the number over the phone, a recorded voice tells you the benefits on the card.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
PitterPatter 06:07 PM 07-29-2012
Originally Posted by Meeko:
The mom herself has often told the kids at pick up " Get your stuff! We're going to the pool....I got money on my Horizon card!"
What I found most sad...and why I made the post is that her kids think that's life and everyone gets it. They have learned that "Horizon card" means "blow money"
She gets a cash benefit every month. She can simply draw out the cash at any ATM...so no record of what it gets spent on.
She has 7 kids in my care. They all have season passes to the local ski resorts every year. We have a water park here called Seven peaks. They have season passes to there too.
She is often too lazy to transfer her day care money to me each month. Especially if the 1st is on a weekend. So she handed me her number and told me to transfer it. When you put in the number over the phone, a recorded voice tells you the benefits on the card.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
UGH that's the situation I have had here, makes me sick literally! Def scamming the govt!The mom herself has often told the kids at pick up " Get your stuff! We're going to the pool....I got money on my Horizon card!"
What I found most sad...and why I made the post is that her kids think that's life and everyone gets it. They have learned that "Horizon card" means "blow money"
She gets a cash benefit every month. She can simply draw out the cash at any ATM...so no record of what it gets spent on.
She has 7 kids in my care. They all have season passes to the local ski resorts every year. We have a water park here called Seven peaks. They have season passes to there too.
She is often too lazy to transfer her day care money to me each month. Especially if the 1st is on a weekend. So she handed me her number and told me to transfer it. When you put in the number over the phone, a recorded voice tells you the benefits on the card.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
e.j. 07:08 PM 07-29-2012
http://bostonherald.com/news/politic...by_legislature
I usually stay away from posts that can become heated but this issue upsets me to no end. Here is what's going on in our state with regard to EBT cards. I'm all for helping those in need but expecting tax payers to support people who then turn around and spend money they've been given on tattoos, guns, body piercing, jewelry, fines and bail, etc? No! It's just not right!
I usually stay away from posts that can become heated but this issue upsets me to no end. Here is what's going on in our state with regard to EBT cards. I'm all for helping those in need but expecting tax payers to support people who then turn around and spend money they've been given on tattoos, guns, body piercing, jewelry, fines and bail, etc? No! It's just not right!
DCMom 11:43 AM 07-30-2012
Originally Posted by Meeko:
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
This is more money than my family spends on our household budget for 4 (and 14 daycare kids) in a month. We, of course, are limited to our NET PAY after taxes (federal, state, local, self employment and payroll), funding our retirement plans and health savings account and insurance premiums. We don't spend anything that we can't pay cash for.
I usually try to stay out of these discussions because I have been on both sides of the fence. My family was on assistance when I was young because my dad was seriously injured (life threatening) at work and hospitalized for a very long time. Long story short, the shame that went along with 'welfare' has stuck with me my entire life. I am 50.
The kicker? When my sahm finally found a crappy, part time night job after my dad came home from the hospital, the state garnished her paycheck to pay it all back. It took them 10 years to pay off the medical bills. They (we) made do; my dad was disabled but fixed small engines and bikes, collected cans, did handyman work for garden fresh items, we were dressed from the Goodwill and garage sales (or charity). I could go on and on.
It makes me sick how much things have changed in a generation. It will all come crashing down soon, cash payouts like this with no accountability will drive this country into bankruptcy.
*stepping down from soapbox*
pootmcgoot 08:37 PM 07-30-2012
Originally Posted by Meeko:
The mom herself has often told the kids at pick up " Get your stuff! We're going to the pool....I got money on my Horizon card!"
What I found most sad...and why I made the post is that her kids think that's life and everyone gets it. They have learned that "Horizon card" means "blow money"
She gets a cash benefit every month. She can simply draw out the cash at any ATM...so no record of what it gets spent on.
She has 7 kids in my care. They all have season passes to the local ski resorts every year. We have a water park here called Seven peaks. They have season passes to there too.
She is often too lazy to transfer her day care money to me each month. Especially if the 1st is on a weekend. So she handed me her number and told me to transfer it. When you put in the number over the phone, a recorded voice tells you the benefits on the card.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
Hell.. I think I'll have a ton of kids and live it up on KYs dime. Seems like an easier way to go than working! She makes more than my husband! He works 12 hour days. She makes more than he does while deployed! This is really a travesty. Makes my 150/mo grocery bill look like a pauper. Ugh.The mom herself has often told the kids at pick up " Get your stuff! We're going to the pool....I got money on my Horizon card!"
What I found most sad...and why I made the post is that her kids think that's life and everyone gets it. They have learned that "Horizon card" means "blow money"
She gets a cash benefit every month. She can simply draw out the cash at any ATM...so no record of what it gets spent on.
She has 7 kids in my care. They all have season passes to the local ski resorts every year. We have a water park here called Seven peaks. They have season passes to there too.
She is often too lazy to transfer her day care money to me each month. Especially if the 1st is on a weekend. So she handed me her number and told me to transfer it. When you put in the number over the phone, a recorded voice tells you the benefits on the card.
For July: daycare $2315.......food stamps $997............cash allowance $752.
She also gets housing.
So she spends the $752 each month on whatever she wants. as her housing, utilities and food are well taken care of. Both her and her live-in boyfriend work also.
DaisyMamma 03:27 AM 07-31-2012
That is so not fair, at all. I dont even know what to say.
delferka 04:16 PM 07-31-2012
Originally Posted by Meeko:
Conversation overheard between the kids at lunch:
DCB 1 (9yrs) When my mom gets the money on her card, we're going to the movies.
DCB 2(6yrs) What does that mean?
DCB 1 My mom gets money put on a special card and when it gets there, we go do special stuff like movies, and swimming and skiing and get fun stuff......
He's talking about his mothers Horizon card....her welfare card.
Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
Given the benefit of the doubt. This family is still doing things together. I'm not an advocate of milking the system in any way, but maybe they do something once a month? IDKConversation overheard between the kids at lunch:
DCB 1 (9yrs) When my mom gets the money on her card, we're going to the movies.
DCB 2(6yrs) What does that mean?
DCB 1 My mom gets money put on a special card and when it gets there, we go do special stuff like movies, and swimming and skiing and get fun stuff......
He's talking about his mothers Horizon card....her welfare card.
Nice to see my tax dollars providing life's necessities for the needy.........she bought a new iphone with the last deposit.
delferka 04:26 PM 07-31-2012
Originally Posted by delferka:
Given the benefit of the doubt. This family is still doing things together. I'm not an advocate of milking the system in any way, but maybe they do something once a month? IDK
Sorry about that, I didn't see the IPhone thing. We make decent money and it took me YEARS to justify the smart phone. (which I just got and I'm 52 yrs old)! With MY money.. I know food stamps are monitored. Why can't the welfare check be as well?Given the benefit of the doubt. This family is still doing things together. I'm not an advocate of milking the system in any way, but maybe they do something once a month? IDK
dave4him 02:49 PM 08-13-2012
Just thought it was funny, one of my friends shared it with me. Stop taking me so seriously! OY
Sugar Magnolia 11:42 AM 08-14-2012
Meeko, that is a shame. This seems like a clear case if misuse of the welfare system. It SHOULD be for necessities, the program is definitely broken. I think every single one of us feels that no child should be hungry, dirty, our otherwise neglected. I went to Miami this past weekend and saw a tale if two cities. Children selling fruit by the side of the road, women walking the streets, old people homeless and begging. This was in Liberty City/Overtown area. Just a few short miles away in South Beach, I saw limos, women dripping in gold walking fancy poodles, nightclubs filled with models, basketball players, the ultra wealthy. Both sides of Miami made me kind of sick to my stomach. I has a hard time digesting the scenes from Liberty City. How can we, as a nation, make sure those living in abject poverty are cared for without free unlimited handouts?
Dave, those people in Liberty City were not lazy. The are, for the most part, unemployable because they are children, elderly, mentally ill or handicapped. THESE are the people for whom welfare was intended. Meeko, this mom you have should try living in Liberty City for a week, then she might appreciate her situation a little more and use that money to stop neglecting those poor kids.
Dave, those people in Liberty City were not lazy. The are, for the most part, unemployable because they are children, elderly, mentally ill or handicapped. THESE are the people for whom welfare was intended. Meeko, this mom you have should try living in Liberty City for a week, then she might appreciate her situation a little more and use that money to stop neglecting those poor kids.
daycare 11:50 AM 08-14-2012
I know this is a touchy subject and I am only going to say a few words, as when this was discussed some years ago, I was put on blast and flamed for my words.
I try not to judge anyone using welfare. We really don't know their story and why they are on it. Yes there are people who abuse it and then there are good people who use it the right way.
I think that if someone actually paid in to it, then when all else fails that it is there to use for emergencies, not as a way to live life.
I really can't blame the people, I blame our government for making it so easy to abuse.
I try not to judge anyone using welfare. We really don't know their story and why they are on it. Yes there are people who abuse it and then there are good people who use it the right way.
I think that if someone actually paid in to it, then when all else fails that it is there to use for emergencies, not as a way to live life.
I really can't blame the people, I blame our government for making it so easy to abuse.
Sugar Magnolia 11:58 AM 08-14-2012
Originally Posted by daycare:
I know this is a touchy subject and I am only going to say a few words, as when this was discussed some years ago, I was put on blast and flamed for my words.
I try not to judge anyone using welfare. We really don't know their story and why they are on it. Yes there are people who abuse it and then there are good people who use it the right way.
I think that if someone actually paid in to it, then when all else fails that it is there to use for emergencies, not as a way to live life.
I really can't blame the people, I blame our government for making it so easy to abuse.
Agree! This! I know this is a touchy subject and I am only going to say a few words, as when this was discussed some years ago, I was put on blast and flamed for my words.
I try not to judge anyone using welfare. We really don't know their story and why they are on it. Yes there are people who abuse it and then there are good people who use it the right way.
I think that if someone actually paid in to it, then when all else fails that it is there to use for emergencies, not as a way to live life.
I really can't blame the people, I blame our government for making it so easy to abuse.
dave4him 12:17 PM 08-14-2012
Well im done.