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Breezy 07:53 AM 07-10-2012
But when I tell you andyour husband that she pulls the clips out of her hair and tries to swallow them and your husband says, "Yeah she does that sometimes...." WHY would you bring her back again with clips in her hair!??!?!??!
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Meeko 07:59 AM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Breezy:
But when I tell you andyour husband that she pulls the clips out of her hair and tries to swallow them and your husband says, "Yeah she does that sometimes...." WHY would you bring her back again with clips in her hair!??!?!??!
I've had this too....crazy!

I now have a part in my contract that states girls are not to come to day care with numerous flowers/barettes/clips etc in their hair. Even if THEY don't try and swallow them, they can fall out onto the floor where a crawling baby can find it. Waaaay too much liability for me.
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Breezy 08:03 AM 07-10-2012
I will add that in to mine!

I mean sure I supervise that's a given but I do have other kids in care and I cant watch them all 100% of the time! Yesterday it would have taken her a few seconds to swallow it and choke!
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Blackcat31 08:21 AM 07-10-2012
I have a DCM that does this too....despite my repeated reminders....now when she arrives, I do a quick head check, remove the barrettes and hand them to mom. Of course, I hand them over with a stern look but apparently it doesn't sink in because she continues to do it.

Luckily, I have a separate entryway so there is no possibility of the child coming in without me giving her the once over so I KNOW the barrettes aren't slipping by me.

I even tried just keeping them all thinking DCM would get tired of buying more and more but that doesn't work either. Now I just take them out, hand them over and say goodbye. Works for me.
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renodeb 08:38 AM 07-10-2012
I had a client a few years back that insisted on putting a big flowery clip in her daughters hair. I would just put them in her cubby. Funny the mom never caught on to that. She got mad one day when a little clip got lost. (I think the vacum got it). But the next day back again with another clip. Since then I have advised parents of that as well. Its just to much!
At interview I really I really empasize the kids wearing play clothes to. I dont want to be responcible for ruining that new outfit from grandma. I try to lump in the whole clothing thing together.
Debbie
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Nana3 09:24 AM 07-10-2012
Oh, that's really crazy!
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EntropyControlSpecialist 09:48 AM 07-10-2012
What a mess.

No babies here, but bows and clips go in the cubby the FIRST time they are taken out. Some children get them put away within 2 minutes of arriving. I refuse to pay for a $10.00 bow that gets lost outside.
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Meeko 09:48 AM 07-10-2012
This is my handbook part about hair accessories...


HAIR ACCESSORIES
Girls may wear a headband to day care if you wish. However, please do not send your daughter with numerous slides/clips/barrettes/bows etc. While they look adorable, they can be a deadly choking hazard to a baby if they fall/get pulled out during the day and land on the floor where a baby may be crawling. They may also get vacuumed up during the day. The day care will not be not responsible for lost hair items.

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Michelle 09:57 AM 07-10-2012
what do you do about the African american kids that come with dozens of beads, barrets, and elastics? They say it's part of their culture and I feel like I am walking a fine line to disallow it.

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DBug 10:22 AM 07-10-2012
I had a dad recently tell me that his 15 mo knows how to take her earrings out ! He said they found them lying in her crib when she woke up that morning ! He then asked me to put them back in if she pulled them out. I said, "No, I'll take them out and leave them in her cubby for her." He looked surprised .

Not only could she have swallowed them and suffered serious internal injuries, but one of the other kids could have too -- I've got FIVE kids that put things in their mouths.

Oi!

With hair clips, I take them out and use the tiny clear plastic bands to hold hair back. If they were swallowed, they wouldn't cause any problems. Other clips go straight back in the cubbies too. Thankfully I've only had one parent that I've had to tell point-blank that they can't send clips anymore. The rest seem to have gotten it after me re-doing their child's hair a few times.
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Breezy 10:31 AM 07-10-2012
This kid barely has enough hair to clip as it is!!
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countrymom 10:32 AM 07-10-2012
well at least she comes with her hair done, I have one who tells me that her 3 yr old refuses to get her hair comb and only wants me to do it. Ya right!!
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MarinaVanessa 10:47 AM 07-10-2012
I also have a policy against ANY small items and barrettes, hair accesories and jewlery are all listed under that policy but parent still try to send their kids with small items.

I used to do what Blackcat does with her DC mom however like she said, they just don't get it. So now I just smile and wait until DCP leaves and then I remove all of the hair clips/small items and I put them away. At the end of the day when they ask where such item is I give them this look ---> . And that's that. I occasionally throw in a "Oh who knows. Weve been all over the place today".

Some of these barrettes and hair accesories are pricey, sometimes as much as $4 for 3 pairs of barretes (ive seen the same ones that my DCG wears at Target for that price). They arrive wearing them, I remove them and then put them away in a ziplock baggy that I put away in my junk drawer. I don't put them in the cubby (too afraid that my other littles will get to them), and I don't hand them back. They eventually get tired of having to buy new ones and then they start coming in the little cheap (but sturdy) little rubber bands which don't fall out.

I occasionally get the one parent (dcm usually) that gets angry or upset at all of the lost hair accessories and I just laugh it off and give them a perky "Yeah it'll happene every time she comes in them, but keep sending her with them if you like" and then a great big . If they want to keep sending them with them, i'll just keep removing them ... and they NEVER get them back.
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momofsix 11:26 AM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Michelle:
what do you do about the African american kids that come with dozens of beads, barrets, and elastics? They say it's part of their culture and I feel like I am walking a fine line to disallow it.
Yes, an AA child does need to have her hair done. It's just way too hard to "do" the child's hair if it's been just left down. (general statement, not ALWAYS the case )
I just was telling my girls how sad it is that I couldn't do their hair in red/white/blue beads for the 4th of July parade like I used to when they were little
My kids had the beads, barrettes and rubber-bands...
It's pretty simple to make the bands at the bottom tight enough so that anything above them or being held by them won't fall out. I used to hurt my fingers when I took out my girls' hair b/c the bottom was so tight. Even the barrettes can be put in the bottom of the braid through the rubber-band so that they won't fall out. If the bands are left in too long they will become weak and break though.

I had one little girl with a hair clip in her mouth I put it in a ziploc for mom and she never came with one again I love a parent that "gets it" without me having to force an issue!
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Blackcat31 11:27 AM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Michelle:
what do you do about the African american kids that come with dozens of beads, barrets, and elastics? They say it's part of their culture and I feel like I am walking a fine line to disallow it.
I don't care what culture, religion, race, nationality, etc etc etc a child is from, safety is safety and when I am the person responsible for another person's child, I will do whatever I can to protect that child from injury or harmful situations so I would still NOT allow them.

When the child attend public school or a facility that has more than one set of eyes and one pair of hands then they can wear whatever they want...big or small.
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cheerfuldom 12:25 PM 07-10-2012
I pull all hair accessories out right at the door and into the diaper bag they go. I have told parents numerous times not to send them and they still do. I do not refix hair, just send the stuff home.
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Nickel 12:37 PM 07-10-2012
I have an aa daughter and I was sooo mad when I picked up my six year old one day and they had taken her hair out. It takes me five plus hours to do my daughters hair. I don't attach beads and if I do clips she has never once pulled them out. Even when she was two. Mostly I use rubber bands but I anyway, they took out all of the rubber bands and braids that I had in her hair. I was so upset because it then took me two hours to wash and detangle my daughters hair (with her crying the whole time because it was so matted and painful) after they took everything out. They told me that their policy was that anything that could fit through a toilet paper tube couldn't be in her hair. I personally would have rather they called me to come take her hair out. At least I could have secured it in a way that wouldn't get completely matted!

I get the clips and beads and barrates can be a chocking hazard, especially if they have little hair and they can take it out. But for my aa daughter i don't think they have any right to take out rubber bands that are secured to her hair. I had to go out and purchase big fluffly scrunchies to do her hair which didn't secure it properly. They actually slid out more than the small rubber bands did. sigh. But I think the key here is properly secured. You wouldn't snip off a button that was sewn to a shirt would you? So if it's not in danger of falling out no problem, but if it is it has to go... which is why I never put beads in my daughters hair until she was in kindergarden lol...

ANYWAY, back to the op if it fell out or she pulled the clips out I'd put them in her cubby. and I would let them know no beads of any size. if she has very fine hair and you know they absolutely will fall out, take them out when she gets there and put them in her cubby. jmho
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DCMom 12:46 PM 07-10-2012
I don't mind the small elastic/plastic bands. It's what I request my dcparents use in little girls' hair. I hate it when their hair hangs in the face or gets in the way when playing. I have 8 little dcg's of various ages, all with longish hair, so my assistant and I often put in pigtails or ponies.

If they come to daycare with a choking hazard of some sort (jewelry, hair accessories), I take it out/off and hand it to the parent immediately and request that they not wear something like that again. If it comes back, it's mine. I've never really had an ongoing problem with it ~ they usually get the message
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Breezy 12:51 PM 07-10-2012
For long hair I French braid it while they are sitting after breakfast. Stays out of faces and looks cute!
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DCMom 12:54 PM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Breezy:
For long hair I French braid it while they are sitting after breakfast. Stays out of faces and looks cute!
Me too, especially on hot days or water days. Or at least I try...my assistant is 17 and is waaaay better at it than me, lol! So that's her job while I clean up breakfast, braids and sunscreen!
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Hunni Bee 01:51 PM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Michelle:
what do you do about the African american kids that come with dozens of beads, barrets, and elastics? They say it's part of their culture and I feel like I am walking a fine line to disallow it.
Originally Posted by Nickel:
I have an aa daughter and I was sooo mad when I picked up my six year old one day and they had taken her hair out. It takes me five plus hours to do my daughters hair. I don't attach beads and if I do clips she has never once pulled them out. Even when she was two. Mostly I use rubber bands but I anyway, they took out all of the rubber bands and braids that I had in her hair. I was so upset because it then took me two hours to wash and detangle my daughters hair (with her crying the whole time because it was so matted and painful) after they took everything out. They told me that their policy was that anything that could fit through a toilet paper tube couldn't be in her hair. I personally would have rather they called me to come take her hair out. At least I could have secured it in a way that wouldn't get completely matted!

I get the clips and beads and barrates can be a chocking hazard, especially if they have little hair and they can take it out. But for my aa daughter i don't think they have any right to take out rubber bands that are secured to her hair. I had to go out and purchase big fluffly scrunchies to do her hair which didn't secure it properly. They actually slid out more than the small rubber bands did. sigh. But I think the key here is properly secured. You wouldn't snip off a button that was sewn to a shirt would you? So if it's not in danger of falling out no problem, but if it is it has to go... which is why I never put beads in my daughters hair until she was in kindergarden lol...

ANYWAY, back to the op if it fell out or she pulled the clips out I'd put them in her cubby. and I would let them know no beads of any size. if she has very fine hair and you know they absolutely will fall out, take them out when she gets there and put them in her cubby. jmho
I am African American, I wore millions of barrettes, beads and hair accessories as a child, and I work at an all-Black daycare with an all-Black staff. I've also done black children's hair dozens of times.

I totally get it. It's actually DIFFICULT to control a black child's hair without dividing into small sections and securing it with hair accessories. I also think it looks pretty, and like Michelle said, its an identifying element of our culture.

I still called for my center to outlaw beads in the entire center, and all small hair accessories for toddlers. It is VERY scary to be changing a child's diaper and find a tiny barrette or bead in their mouth. It's even scarier when you don't find it til the child gets in trouble. Thankfully we were able to help the child before tragedy struck, but what if we werent?

It's just not worth it. Yes, its hard to keep their hair neat without beads, but its not impossible. None of us want the devastation of having a child die on our watch, especially because of something like that.

On a more petty note, nobody feels like replacing barrettes all day or picking them up all day or getting reamed out because they got lost/thrown away.

I can see both sides, but parents have to meet the provider in the middle. We're not going to ban everything just for the heck of it, but don't make us.
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saved4always 03:28 PM 07-10-2012
I hate that!!! I really don't understand why parents think that children under the age of 3 need hair pretties!!!! Total choking hazard. Same with balloons (another pet peeve of mine!). I always remove things from the little one's heads as soon as the parents leave and put them in the child's diaper bag.
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saved4always 04:10 PM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Nickel:
I have an aa daughter and I was sooo mad when I picked up my six year old one day and they had taken her hair out. It takes me five plus hours to do my daughters hair. I don't attach beads and if I do clips she has never once pulled them out. Even when she was two. Mostly I use rubber bands but I anyway, they took out all of the rubber bands and braids that I had in her hair. I was so upset because it then took me two hours to wash and detangle my daughters hair (with her crying the whole time because it was so matted and painful) after they took everything out. They told me that their policy was that anything that could fit through a toilet paper tube couldn't be in her hair. I personally would have rather they called me to come take her hair out. At least I could have secured it in a way that wouldn't get completely matted!

I get the clips and beads and barrates can be a chocking hazard, especially if they have little hair and they can take it out. But for my aa daughter i don't think they have any right to take out rubber bands that are secured to her hair. I had to go out and purchase big fluffly scrunchies to do her hair which didn't secure it properly. They actually slid out more than the small rubber bands did. sigh. But I think the key here is properly secured. You wouldn't snip off a button that was sewn to a shirt would you? So if it's not in danger of falling out no problem, but if it is it has to go... which is why I never put beads in my daughters hair until she was in kindergarden lol...

ANYWAY, back to the op if it fell out or she pulled the clips out I'd put them in her cubby. and I would let them know no beads of any size. if she has very fine hair and you know they absolutely will fall out, take them out when she gets there and put them in her cubby. jmho
It sounds like there was not really a chance of your daughter's rubber bands coming out. That stinks that they took them out and it caused so much suffering for your daughter. They probably had a policy and couldn't make exceptions. With something that elaborate though, I would have talked to you first so you could find an alternative that would not make a mess of her hair. I think they could have worked with you better on it for sure.

The little ones I have had where the clips had to go were ones who had little hair, it was very fine and silky, and mom was more concerned that no one think her little girl was a boy than if her hair clips were safe. My daughter had little hair until she was over 2 and I never put choking hazard items in her hair even though some people thought she was a cute little boy wearing pink...sigh... but I preferred to have her safe than pretty.
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Nickel 04:27 PM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Hunni Bee:
I am African American, I wore millions of barrettes, beads and hair accessories as a child, and I work at an all-Black daycare with an all-Black staff. I've also done black children's hair dozens of times.

I totally get it. It's actually DIFFICULT to control a black child's hair without dividing into small sections and securing it with hair accessories. I also think it looks pretty, and like Michelle said, its an identifying element of our culture.

I still called for my center to outlaw beads in the entire center, and all small hair accessories for toddlers. It is VERY scary to be changing a child's diaper and find a tiny barrette or bead in their mouth. It's even scarier when you don't find it til the child gets in trouble. Thankfully we were able to help the child before tragedy struck, but what if we werent?

It's just not worth it. Yes, its hard to keep their hair neat without beads, but its not impossible. None of us want the devastation of having a child die on our watch, especially because of something like that.

On a more petty note, nobody feels like replacing barrettes all day or picking them up all day or getting reamed out because they got lost/thrown away.

I can see both sides, but parents have to meet the provider in the middle. We're not going to ban everything just for the heck of it, but don't make us.
i agree that no beads should be used in a daycare setting and if barrettes are constantly falling out thats not okay. But id they hair tie or barrette is secured with no chance of falling out then i sont see the problem. But when mine was a babybi didnt put clips in her hair cuz there just wasnt enough there to ensure they didnt come out and with my very white daughter i wouldnt send her with bows either. Especially with ither young children because there is no way i can properly secure the item... Thats all. Thats just my two cents. And if it fell out i wouldnt out it back in. But i thought my daughters daycare went ablittle too far when they disallowed even tiny rubber bands (center was predominitely white). I literally had to buy hair ties that would not fit through the choking tube. Frustrating. Especially since she is biracial so braids wont stay without a hairtien wish i had known about yarn twists back then!!! Lol
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Hunni Bee 05:48 PM 07-10-2012
Originally Posted by Nickel:
i agree that no beads should be used in a daycare setting and if barrettes are constantly falling out thats not okay. But id they hair tie or barrette is secured with no chance of falling out then i sont see the problem. But when mine was a babybi didnt put clips in her hair cuz there just wasnt enough there to ensure they didnt come out and with my very white daughter i wouldnt send her with bows either. Especially with ither young children because there is no way i can properly secure the item... Thats all. Thats just my two cents. And if it fell out i wouldnt out it back in. But i thought my daughters daycare went ablittle too far when they disallowed even tiny rubber bands (center was predominitely white). I literally had to buy hair ties that would not fit through the choking tube. Frustrating. Especially since she is biracial so braids wont stay without a hairtien wish i had known about yarn twists back then!!! Lol
I agree, there was no reason for them to take them out. Like you said, if they absolutely had to come out then they should have called you, or waited til pick up time like.normal people.
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Nickel 06:04 PM 07-10-2012
Glad I'm not the only one. Honestly I would have switched centers but I worked right down the hall in the infant room. So honestly, i was 20 feet away. If it was that big of an issue they should have just told me to come do it. What really got me is that all the kids in that room were in the preschool room. My daughter was literally starting k in the fall. So even if for some reason a rubber band snapped and came out of her hair (which rarely happens. They usually just stick to the end lol) all of the kids were what 5? I mean if they don't know not to stick a rubber band in their mouth at that age, they have problems!!!! grrrr... sorry, it still upsets me five years later!
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dave4him 08:33 PM 07-11-2012
Beats bringing them looking homeless
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Michelle 11:50 PM 07-11-2012
I love the beads, when they are running around, I always know where they are and they look so adorable.
Like one of the other posters said, they have to be very secure and the parents I have do a great job with that.
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