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MNMum 12:46 PM 12-04-2012
I'll call my licensor, too, but I figured one of you lovely providers would know the answer to this.

I have a C1 license now (1 provider - 10 total, 8 under SA, 3 below 2, 2 below 1). I am expecting a baby in July so I am getting another person on my license. That way I do not have to worry about exceeding the 30 absent days for use of a substitute. Also, I plan to use her 2-3 mornings regularly, and want the ability to get errands done, etc. I had planned on keeping that license as to not have to worry about needing 2 people there all the time. However, I have another interested toddler, which would put me above capacity for one month during my maternity leave. I would be fine if I upgraded to the C3 license (2 adults, 14 total, 10 under SA, 4 below 2, 3 below 1). It's really only an issue two days per week.

My question is, if I go with the C3 license, at what point do I only need 1 adult present? When the numbers are at the C1 expectations?
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mema 12:53 PM 12-04-2012
I think it would be when you either fit the c-2 or under category.
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Blackcat31 12:54 PM 12-04-2012
Originally Posted by MNMum:
I'll call my licensor, too, but I figured one of you lovely providers would know the answer to this.

I have a C1 license now (1 provider - 10 total, 8 under SA, 3 below 2, 2 below 1). I am expecting a baby in July so I am getting another person on my license. That way I do not have to worry about exceeding the 30 absent days for use of a substitute. Also, I plan to use her 2-3 mornings regularly, and want the ability to get errands done, etc. I had planned on keeping that license as to not have to worry about needing 2 people there all the time. However, I have another interested toddler, which would put me above capacity for one month during my maternity leave. I would be fine if I upgraded to the C3 license (2 adults, 14 total, 10 under SA, 4 below 2, 3 below 1). It's really only an issue two days per week.

My question is, if I go with the C3 license, at what point do I only need 1 adult present? When the numbers are at the C1 expectations?
Any time you have more than 3 kids under age 2 yrs old, you HAVE to have a second adult.

C1 gives you max 3 under age 2 (2 max infants..5 preschool...2 SA)
C2 gives you max 2 under age 2 (1 infant/1 toddler..8 preschoolers..2 SA)
C3 - 2 adults... gives you max 4 under age 2 (3 max infants....6 preschoolers...4 SA)
C3 1 adult and 1 helper gives you max 2 under age 2 (1 max infant....8 preschoolers...4 SA)

Does that help? I always have such a hard time with the ratios so I have a little chart with stick figures all drawn out so I can see it, rather than read it.
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mema 12:58 PM 12-04-2012
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Any time you have more than 3 kids under age 2 yrs old, you HAVE to have a second adult.

C1 gives you max 3 under age 2 (2 max infants..5 preschool...2 SA)
C2 gives you max 2 under age 2 (1 infant/1 toddler..8 preschoolers..2 SA)
C3 - 2 adults... gives you max 4 under age 2 (3 max infants....6 preschoolers...4 SA)
C3 1 adult and 1 helper gives you max 2 under age 2 (1 max infant....8 preschoolers...4 SA)

Does that help? I always have such a hard time with the ratios so I have a little chart with stick figures all drawn out so I can see it, rather than read it.
Are you sure on that? Because isn't a c-1 with 3 under 2 with no more than 2 infant? I dropped down to a c-1 because I had a 22 month, 5 month and 3 month and was told I didn't need a second adult.
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mema 12:59 PM 12-04-2012
Ok. Wait. Sorry. Must be the chocolate craving that I'm not giving into, you said more than 3 not more than 2
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MNMum 01:07 PM 12-04-2012
If I obtain the C3 license,

then I only need that second adult present when I exceed the numbers in the C1 license?
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Blackcat31 01:10 PM 12-04-2012
Here I scanned the stick figure chart I have. It's two sided.

Sorry if it is hard to read, but I laminated it so it doesn't scan that great.

I have another copy that isn't laminated so if I find that I will scan and save as a PDF and post it.
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mema 01:11 PM 12-04-2012
When the numbers exceed a c-2. More than 12 kids, more than 2 under 2.

When the numbers exceed a c-1. More than 10 kids, more than 3 under 2.

What ages are you looking to be having? Maybe that would be easier. Write out the days and what ages.
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MNMum 01:20 PM 12-04-2012
What I had planned to do during my maternity leave, is have my assistant take over for 6 weeks. She will be a co-provider and on my license. I would also be around, but not running the daycare. Since I'm there with my infant this is what the ages would be:

My newborn
9 mos
21 mos (T & Th)
2 yrs
2.5 yrs
2.5 yrs
3 yrs(mine)
6 yrs(mine)
10 yrs(mine)

I'm looking at starting a toddler who would be 23 months old when I have my baby. Thus, putting me over in the toddler area for a month. If I upgraded to the C3, this would be fine. But I don't want to have to be around all the time. If I left the house with my infant, that would put it back under the C1 ratios, I just wasn't sure if that is how it worked? Do I have to have 2 adults there all the time, because I have the C3 license. kwim?
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mema 01:24 PM 12-04-2012
No you don't have to just because your license says c-3. If you are at the capacity of a c-1, then only 1 needs to be present. I have a c-2 and I run under a c-1 right now, but will go back to a c-2 later. When I had a c-3, there were days that we both were not needed because we weren't at that capacity, so someone got a day off
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MNMum 01:31 PM 12-04-2012
Perfect, that's what I needed to know!
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Blackcat31 01:36 PM 12-04-2012
I am licensed as a C-3 but operate as a C-1 or C-2 depending on attendance for the day.

Glad you got it worked out!

Another possibility is requesting a variance since your need for something different will be short term so that would work too.
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DCMom 01:40 PM 12-04-2012
That is a great chart for visualization, Blackcat!

I have a C3 but during the school year I only need a second adult on M-W-F and school off days. I have two college girls who rotate the days. I have a full time person in the summer.

I almost never have 4 under two or more than 2 infants. I keep the C3 for the summer sibling spots mainly.
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Unregistered 06:13 PM 12-04-2012
Originally Posted by MNMum:
I'll call my licensor, too, but I figured one of you lovely providers would know the answer to this.

I have a C1 license now (1 provider - 10 total, 8 under SA, 3 below 2, 2 below 1).

I wish my state did this! In CA with a small family we can only have a total of 8 kids with one adult (6 under SA, no more than 3 under 2); but with a large family liscense we can still have up to 12- 14 if 2 are SAC and no more than 3 or 4 under 2.
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