Daycare.com Forum Force of Nature Disinfectant

Go Back   Daycare.com Forum > Main Category > Daycare Center and Family Home Forum

Daycare Center and Family Home Forum Daycare Center and Family Home owners, Directors, Operators and Assistants should post and ask questions here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-25-2014, 04:53 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default 1% or Skim Milk, only, after 24 months?

How do you get your clients to go along with this?

My clients think it is ludicrous. ALL. OF. THEM. have asked for whole milk.

I am told (USDA Monitoring Guide, FCC Homes) that meals including it (whole milk) after age 2 are disallowed for reimbursement. If so, then the same meals would not be allowed to be counted for tax reasons (annual meal counts). Really?

I know I could have them all write a bogus medical form, or give whole milk to the kids outside of meal times, but at what point has the line been crossed? And in which direction....
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:06 AM
NightOwl's Avatar
NightOwl NightOwl is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Alabama
Posts: 2,716
Default

Have you tried explaining the scientific reasons behind it? Kids no longer need whole milk after 2. They only need it before 2 because they require the extra fat content needed for brain development. After 2, it's just extra fat in their diets.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:10 AM
MotherNature's Avatar
MotherNature MotherNature is offline
Matilda Jane Addict
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,117
Default

WIC does the same thing. Though, my son is diagnosed w/ failure to thrive b/c of his size, so he has the medical exemption for whole milk, pediasure, extra calories... I'd just print out some info & give it to all the parents. If they want whole milk, they can provide it. I had a family bring in their own raw organic milk. I'll use it if they pay for it.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:29 AM
Angelsj's Avatar
Angelsj Angelsj is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,323
Default

I do not think that is true about tax reimbursement. We don't have to follow food program guidelines to get the tax write off for meals. Tom should probably pop in and verify, but if that is true, it is a very new rule. I have been serving whole milk my entire career and the IRS has never asked.

This is only one of many reasons I do not use the food program. I will not serve 1% milk. I only serve whole milk and I am not debating with a food rep about it constantly. As a matter of fact, this was the single issue that broke the camel's back.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:33 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Thanks MN.

I really don't mind providing it since I use it for cooking anyway. Recipes using skim milk are lackluster at best... I also provide formula so moving from that to whole milk is a huge expense reduction for me.

Basically, I don't want to loose the meal count tax write offs and I want to accommodate my clients request for their own children.

I have no over weight kids here. If I did it would make sense for that child's needs. Granted, I would add more PE instead of limiting food choice, but you get my point.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:38 AM
Play Care's Avatar
Play Care Play Care is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 6,609
Default

I have never had a parent request I serve their over 2's whole milk.
I do keep 1% just for day care. I will only drink whole milk - I found that when I was doing 1% with dinner I would be starving within an hour of eating. Drinking a cup of whole milk helps me stay full. I still have an evening snack after my kids go to bed - But it's ONE snack, not the three or four I was having

I would caution against serving whole if you are on the FP and claiming you are serving 1% or skim. If you get caught, it's fraud. I serve milk with two meals, and only the smallest serving size. If their parents want them to have whole, they could always give them a cup before day care, one with dinner and one before bed in order to get their daily serving size in.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:44 AM
melilley's Avatar
melilley melilley is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,018
Default

In order to get reimbursed, technically. you only have to offer a component. You could always buy the smallest container of 1% and offer the minimum amount and give whole along with it. I agree with MN though, I would have parents supply the whole milk since you are already buying the other milk.
Just an idea.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:51 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Thanks Ladies.. I have been serving whole and 2% based on the clients request for years. I have also been filing my taxes without issue..

I am in an ECCE class and this topic came up. I am not on the food program, so I did not think that the % of milk I serve could affect my taxes (annual meal count). The instructor disagreed and had me read the entire Guide.

It is clear as mud.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:52 AM
craftymissbeth's Avatar
craftymissbeth craftymissbeth is offline
Legally Unlicensed
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,367
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by melilley View Post
In order to get reimbursed, technically. you only have to offer a component. You could always buy the smallest container of 1% and offer the minimum amount and give whole along with it. I agree with MN though, I would have parents supply the whole milk since you are already buying the other milk.
Just an idea.


I've only had one family ask for whole milk and I had her provide it. As far as the FP, I can't remember, but her son must have been under 2 because they said it was fine to serve whole.

I serve 1% to all of the dck's to lower food costs, but I only serve the minimum anyway. Really, a half cup of milk or so twice a day is an extremely small amount. Here I serve them the minimum and then they have unlimited water. I have kids that will fill up on milk and not eat, though.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-25-2014, 05:58 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Play Care View Post
I have never had a parent request I serve their over 2's whole milk.
It is because of the research correlating inadequate fat intake in toddlers being directly linked to poor brain development. They want to wait until 5 for low fat milk.

Their point is valid... **the research says it (limiting fat intake) is ok after 2 but they feel this number has more to do with politics than their child's individual needs.

My clients are school admins, teachers, public safety and medical staff.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

Last edited by Blackcat31; 08-25-2014 at 06:21 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-25-2014, 06:14 AM
Play Care's Avatar
Play Care Play Care is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 6,609
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
It is because of the research correlating inadequate fat intake in toddlers being directly linked to poor brain development. They want to wait until 5 for low fat milk.

Their point is valid... **the research says it (limiting fat intake) is ok after 2 but they feel this number has more to do with politics than their child's individual needs.

My clients are school admins, teachers, public safety and medical staff.
Don't get me wrong, I cringe at having to serve 1%. But I also think they get so little diary here that I wouldn't be comfortable "fibbing" for two smallish servings (given the consequences...). I honestly don't think most of my parents feel their child is here long enough to make those requests, KWIM. Most of my clients are teachers, social workers, etc. Their days here are bare minimum (usually!)

Last edited by Blackcat31; 08-25-2014 at 06:21 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-25-2014, 06:23 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

[quote=Play Care;489541][quote=Cat Herder;489538]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Play Care View Post
I have never had a parent request I serve their over 2's whole milk.

Don't get me wrong, I cringe at having to serve 1%. But I also think they get so little diary here that I wouldn't be comfortable "fibbing" for two smallish servings (given the consequences...). I honestly don't think most of my parents feel their child is here long enough to make those requests, KWIM. Most of my clients are teachers, social workers, etc. Their days here are bare minimum (usually!)
Oh, no. That was not how I took it. I was referring to your never having been asked. I read more to it being regional than judgement. It was interesting.

My clients average 10-11 hours a day, 4 years with me. A couple have dinner here, as well. It is a huge chunk of the kids awake time.

I really did not know I was fibbing. Is that how it will be taken even if not on the food program? I get no reimbursement, just the standard food cost/meals served write off. That is where my concern lies... I don't want to be forced to lie to meet my clients needs.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-25-2014, 06:44 AM
MyAngels's Avatar
MyAngels MyAngels is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,101
Default

The type of milk you serve does not affect your tax write off at all. The IRS doesn't care what you serve and it doesn't have to meet CACFP guidelines to be written off at tax time.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-25-2014, 06:59 AM
Blackcat31's Avatar
Blackcat31 Blackcat31 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 19,078
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
How do you get your clients to go along with this?

My clients think it is ludicrous. ALL. OF. THEM. have asked for whole milk.

I am told (USDA Monitoring Guide, FCC Homes) that meals including it (whole milk) after age 2 are disallowed for reimbursement. If so, then the same meals would not be allowed to be counted for tax reasons (annual meal counts). Really?

I know I could have them all write a bogus medical form, or give whole milk to the kids outside of meal times, but at what point has the line been crossed? And in which direction....
According to the info I was given by my food rep, the reason for the change at 2 is becuase by 2 most children are making up for that loss of fat (from the milk) in their diet. By 2 yrs of age, children begin having healthier eating routines and aren't as picky so the need for the fat from the whole milk is not necessary.

Also the fat required for brain development is important in the first 2 years of growth, not the first 5 or more years.

She also said like sleep needs, their caloric intake/fat requirements changes greatly after age 2 so switching to a lower fat milk at age 2 is easier and recommended to set the stage for healthy eating later. (i.e. low fat diets etc).



HTH
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-25-2014, 07:01 AM
Play Care's Avatar
Play Care Play Care is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 6,609
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post

Oh, no. That was not how I took it. I was referring to your never having been asked. I read more to it being regional than judgement. It was interesting.

My clients average 10-11 hours a day, 4 years with me. A couple have dinner here, as well. It is a huge chunk of the kids awake time.

I really did not know I was fibbing. Is that how it will be taken even if not on the food program? I get no reimbursement, just the standard food cost/meals served write off. That is where my concern lies... I don't want to be forced to lie to meet my clients needs.
Oh no, I didn't mean YOU were fibbing!! Just that for me, being on the FP and agreeing to abide by their policies and then serving whole milk because of my beliefs would be fibbing. Every month I have to sign off on the FP stating that I am following their rules and that if it's found that I'm not, there are consequences.
Some providers get hundreds of dollars each month from the FP so the FP does try to be on top of making sure the providers is doing things they way they want. I know some FP sponsers will get in touch with families to ask about attendence in dc to make sure it correlates with what the provider is claiming...I know when mine do their pop in visits they sometimes will question the kiddos to make sure I'm feeding them.

Last edited by Blackcat31; 08-25-2014 at 07:08 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-25-2014, 07:04 AM
NightOwl's Avatar
NightOwl NightOwl is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Alabama
Posts: 2,716
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by melilley View Post
In order to get reimbursed, technically. you only have to offer a component. You could always buy the smallest container of 1% and offer the minimum amount and give whole along with it. I agree with MN though, I would have parents supply the whole milk since you are already buying the other milk.
Just an idea.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-25-2014, 07:05 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

OK, thanks everyone.

This info does help.

Hopefully it will help others as well...
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-25-2014, 07:20 AM
itlw8's Avatar
itlw8 itlw8 is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,199
Default

The majority of children get plenty of fat in their diets . In fact they get too much. But if a family is on a low fat diet and only eats lean meat and maybe vegetarian then whole milk would be important. BUT the kids eat chicken nuggets, fries, hamburgers etc and they get plenty of fat.

Do not commit fraud. Truthfully I have never had a parent ask what kind of milk I serve.
__________________
It will wait
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-25-2014, 07:29 AM
Crazy8's Avatar
Crazy8 Crazy8 is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 2,769
Default

I only serve 2% milk - they want whole they can bring it themselves. Actually, over the years I have cut down a lot on the amount of milk I serve. I think its important kids learn to drink water, so many don't/won't.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-25-2014, 08:06 AM
sharlan's Avatar
sharlan sharlan is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Chino, California
Posts: 6,040
Default

The IRS doesn't care what you feed the kids. Serve them what you want.

In CA, we're allowed only to serve 1% milk, 4 oz of full-strength juice a day, and water. It doesn't matter whether we are on the food program or not.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 08-25-2014, 10:16 AM
craftymissbeth's Avatar
craftymissbeth craftymissbeth is offline
Legally Unlicensed
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,367
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy8 View Post
I only serve 2% milk - they want whole they can bring it themselves. Actually, over the years I have cut down a lot on the amount of milk I serve. I think its important kids learn to drink water, so many don't/won't.


My own belief on milk is that it isn't an essential dietary component. Everything that parents think the child needs from milk can also be found in other food sources.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 08-25-2014, 10:22 AM
MarinaVanessa's Avatar
MarinaVanessa MarinaVanessa is offline
Family Childcare Home
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ventura County, CA
Posts: 7,200
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sharlan View Post
The IRS doesn't care what you feed the kids. Serve them what you want.

In CA, we're allowed only to serve 1% milk, 4 oz of full-strength juice a day, and water. It doesn't matter whether we are on the food program or not.
Not where I am. My food program requires me to give whole milk to children 1-2 years of age, after 2 I have to serve 1%. It's the same for me about the juice and water. Juice counts as serving of fruit (as long as it's 100% juice) and water has to be available at all times.

But yes, the IRS doesn't care what you serve. You can serve Cheetos and fruit punch for all meals as far as they're concerned.

OP:
If parents opt to give their child over 2 years old whole milk then I have to at least "offer" it. I say "Johnny do you want the pink milk (1%) or the red milk (whole)?" Usually they choose whole but I require the parents to supply anything that I can't count as a serving on my food program because I still have to buy the 1% milk. It has only been a problem for me once and mom brought me whole milk for a few weeks then just stopped so I gave DCB 1% milk from then on.

Really, it shouldn't be a big deal. Our milk servings are so small that if you stick with them you can just tell the parents that you will provide 1% at daycare and that they can give them whole milk at home. Parents usually serve their kids at least twice as much milk as they should anyway so if they are worried about the extra that 1% milk is lacking the they can make it up at home. You know they fill a sippy with milk while their child walks around at home or serve them more than is required for their meal anyway .
__________________
Daycare Ninja, CA
Helping Hands Childcare
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 08-25-2014, 10:31 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by craftymissbeth View Post


My own belief on milk is that it isn't an essential dietary component. Everything that parents think the child needs from milk can also be found in other food sources.
I am with you...

I am just trying to work with the fad of the day as long as it doesn't negatively impact my business. IYKWIM The % issue applying to me was new info since I am not on the food program.

Skim milk is pretty gross, though. Like someone refilled your glass from the wrong container. What I fear happening is the kids who won't drink it missing out on that calcuim/D. They get whole at home, but are here more waking hours.

*I will view it as another water serving and offer an extra serving of a better source like spinach/tuna/kale/salmon/cheese/eggs. I am tweaking my menu as we speak, luckily I am good with a food processor . Easy, peasy.

(even if the IRS does not care the QRIS does, so I have to play the game.. I just do not have great access to the rules )
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 08-25-2014, 10:32 AM
ColorfulSunburst's Avatar
ColorfulSunburst ColorfulSunburst is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Bronx, New York
Posts: 643
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wednesday View Post
Have you tried explaining the scientific reasons behind it? Kids no longer need whole milk after 2. They only need it before 2 because they require the extra fat content needed for brain development. After 2, it's just extra fat in their diets.
I'm 48. I drink milk all my live every day (whole milk). I love milk. My weight is 150 pounds.
My daughter is 23. She drinks milk every day. Her weight is 125 pounds.
My husband doesn't drink milk since he was 2y.o. His weight is ... 360 pounds.
My daughter and me don't drink Cola and don't eat fast-food. My husband does.
Amen.))))
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 08-25-2014, 10:43 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Play Care View Post
Oh no, I didn't mean YOU were fibbing!!
Oh, hun... no worries. I am too literal to have seen that as personal judgement.

If the IRS follows the USDA Meal Guideline as their gold standard, serving anything other than fat free after 2 years old disqualifies the meal. If that is true, I absolutely fibbed.

Ignorance of the facts does not excuse it. That is what we are taught. I only hope it isn't the truth. Still reading how black and white they are on the topic and the effective date.

I know I did not do it deliberately, so I was not hurt by your words at all. I only saw truth in them.

This is what I found:


"Standard meal and snack rates. If you qualify as a family daycare provider, you can use the standard meal and snack rates, instead of actual costs, to compute the deductible cost of meals and snacks provided to eligible children. For these purposes:

A family daycare provider is a person engaged in the business of providing family daycare.

Family daycare is childcare provided to eligible children in the home of the family daycare provider. The care must be non-medical, not involve a transfer of legal custody, and generally last less than 24 hours each day.

Eligible children are minor children receiving family daycare in the home of the family daycare provider. Eligible children do not include children who are full-time or part-time residents in the home where the childcare is provided or children whose parents or guardians are residents of the same home. Eligible children do not include children who receive daycare services for personal reasons of the provider. For example, if a provider provides daycare services for a relative as a favor to that relative, that child is not an eligible child.

You can compute the deductible cost of each meal and snack you actually purchased and served to an eligible child during the time period you provided family daycare using the standard meal and snack rates shown in Table 3, later. You can use the standard meal and snack rates for a maximum of one breakfast, one lunch, one dinner, and three snacks per eligible child per day. If you receive reimbursement for a particular meal or snack, you can deduct only the portion of the applicable standard meal or snack rate that is more than the amount of the reimbursement.

You can use either the standard meal and snack rates or actual costs to calculate the deductible cost of food provided to eligible children in the family daycare for any particular tax year. If you choose to use the standard meal and snack rates for a particular tax year, you must use the rates for all your deductible food costs for eligible children during that tax year. However, if you use the standard meal and snack rates in any tax year, you can use actual costs to compute the deductible cost of food in any other tax year.

If you use the standard meal and snack rates, you must maintain records to substantiate the computation of the total amount deducted for the cost of food provided to eligible children. The records kept should include the name of each child, dates and hours of attendance in the daycare, and the type and quantity of meals and snacks served. This information can be recorded in a log similar to the one shown in Exhibit A, near the end of this publication.

The standard meal and snack rates include beverages, but do not include non-food supplies used for food preparation, service, or storage, such as containers, paper products, or utensils. These expenses can be claimed as a separate deduction on your Schedule C (Form 1040). "
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 08-25-2014, 02:35 PM
sharlan's Avatar
sharlan sharlan is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Chino, California
Posts: 6,040
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MV View Post
Not where I am. My food program requires me to give whole milk to children 1-2 years of age, after 2 I have to serve 1%. It's the same for me about the juice and water. Juice counts as serving of fruit (as long as it's 100% juice) and water has to be available at all times.

But yes, the IRS doesn't care what you serve. You can serve Cheetos and fruit punch for all meals as far as they're concerned.

OP:
If parents opt to give their child over 2 years old whole milk then I have to at least "offer" it. I say "Johnny do you want the pink milk (1%) or the red milk (whole)?" Usually they choose whole but I require the parents to supply anything that I can't count as a serving on my food program because I still have to buy the 1% milk. It has only been a problem for me once and mom brought me whole milk for a few weeks then just stopped so I gave DCB 1% milk from then on.

Really, it shouldn't be a big deal. Our milk servings are so small that if you stick with them you can just tell the parents that you will provide 1% at daycare and that they can give them whole milk at home. Parents usually serve their kids at least twice as much milk as they should anyway so if they are worried about the extra that 1% milk is lacking the they can make it up at home. You know they fill a sippy with milk while their child walks around at home or serve them more than is required for their meal anyway .
You're correct. I was talking about kids over the age of 2.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 08-25-2014, 06:00 PM
Angelsj's Avatar
Angelsj Angelsj is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,323
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wednesday View Post
Have you tried explaining the scientific reasons behind it? Kids no longer need whole milk after 2. They only need it before 2 because they require the extra fat content needed for brain development. After 2, it's just extra fat in their diets.
Milk is not essential to our diets at all, but science has actually proven exactly the opposite. Healthy fat is taken out of 1 and 2% milk and made up for (by volume) with milk SUGAR. Your body does fine with good fats (avocado, coconut oil, etc) and actually needs those things to stay feeling full and draw nutrition out of the other foods you eat. What is damaging is sugar. *IF* you are going to drink milk, it is healthier for everyone to drink whole.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 08-25-2014, 07:03 PM
midaycare's Avatar
midaycare midaycare is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Midwest
Posts: 5,659
Default

Here the food program makes me serve 1%. All of my parents want whole milk. They demand it.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 08-25-2014, 07:33 PM
Lucy's Avatar
Lucy Lucy is offline
Hurt Betrayed Confused
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NW
Posts: 1,648
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by craftymissbeth View Post


My own belief on milk is that it isn't an essential dietary component. Everything that parents think the child needs from milk can also be found in other food sources.
Yes. This.

I was scrolling before I posted. Was going to say that I'm in the camp of serving whole until their 2nd birthday, and 1% after that ... IF they love milk and ask for it!! Milk isn't essential for humans. We can get the calcium, for example, in broccoli and other greens, and in calcium-fortified items like OJ.

I know you weren't posting a debate over this, but I just wanted to shout out my thoughts on milk. No one in my family (my parents, myself, and 2 brothers) grew up as milk drinkers beyond our young childhood, and ended up pretty healthy.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 08-26-2014, 08:10 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy View Post
I know you weren't posting a debate over this, but I just wanted to shout out my thoughts on milk. No one in my family (my parents, myself, and 2 brothers) grew up as milk drinkers beyond our young childhood, and ended up pretty healthy.
No. I love debates. I want to learn about this.

Angelsj, My clients are saying whole is the only healthy cows milk and they would rather water be served than 1% after two. They'd prefer me to serve yogurt/cheese and a glass of water instead.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 08-26-2014, 08:18 AM
daycare's Avatar
daycare daycare is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Mars
Posts: 16,021
Default

all dairy is crap...... I have never eaten it and never plan to.

I believe that humans are the only species who drink milk past infancy..

its no wonder many people are lactose intolerant to it as they grow older
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 08-26-2014, 08:20 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daycare View Post
all dairy is crap...... I have never eaten it and never plan to.

I believe that humans are the only species who drink milk past infancy..

its no wonder many people are lactose intolerant to it as they grow older
Tell us how you really feel...

Thank you! I now have to clean off my keyboard.

>> I have this image of a cave man sneaking ninja like under a sleeping Auroch.<<<
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 08-26-2014, 08:31 AM
daycare's Avatar
daycare daycare is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Mars
Posts: 16,021
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
Tell us how you really feel...

Thank you! I now have to clean off my keyboard.

>> I have this image of a cave man sneaking ninja like under a sleeping Auroch.<<<
lmao sorry, its early still....ok actually in daycare land its late, but I am slow this AM...

auroch, is that a cow???
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 08-26-2014, 08:35 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daycare View Post

auroch, is that a cow???
Yes, a prehistoric one.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg for daycare.jpg (74.7 KB, 3 views)
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 08-26-2014, 08:37 AM
daycare's Avatar
daycare daycare is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Mars
Posts: 16,021
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
Yes, a prehistoric one.
lol.......wow that was a lucky guess on my part... I had no clue....

I need to eat what your eating, my brain is small..........

see what all these years of dacyare can do to a person..

I guess you have found the immunity to the affects of childcare
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 08-26-2014, 09:00 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daycare View Post
lol.......wow that was a lucky guess on my part... I had no clue....

I need to eat what your eating, my brain is small..........

see what all these years of dacyare can do to a person..

I guess you have found the immunity to the affects of childcare
Khan Academy and Ebooks don't hurt, that is for sure.

This nutrition stuff is frustrating, though.. much like History it is up to the researcher and the goals of the study. Each research study has an equal and opposite one...
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 08-26-2014, 09:12 AM
Blackcat31's Avatar
Blackcat31 Blackcat31 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 19,078
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
Khan Academy and Ebooks don't hurt, that is for sure.

This nutrition stuff is frustrating, though.. much like History it is up to the researcher and the goals of the study.
Each research study has an equal and opposite one...
And then you have the young 5 mile a day jogger who doesn't have an ounce of unhealthy tissue in their body and eats cleanly drop dead for no apparent reason....

While the chain smoking, slightly obese person who eats 3 fried eggs and half a loaf of Wonder bread for breakfast holding steady in their 90ies...

Wish "they" (whomever 'they' are) would hurry up and figure it out already...
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 08-26-2014, 09:12 AM
mom2many's Avatar
mom2many mom2many is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: California
Posts: 1,211
Default

I only had whole milk in my house until this recently changed. All 3 of my adult children (now in their 20's) loved milk and drank lots of it. They are all super thin with zero body fat!!!!!

I think this whole milk thing is crazy... The real issue lies with eating a healthy diet of non processed foods & fruits & veggies, limiting fast foods & most importantly exercise!!!! I believe, that video games & tv are the biggest reasons for childhood obesity.

At my last site visit with licensing, I was told they are actually regulating that 1% milk be served to 2 yo & up. I'm on the food program, so I had already implemented it, but I was told they would cite us for not having it.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 08-26-2014, 09:57 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mom2many View Post
At my last site visit with licensing, I was told they are actually regulating that 1% milk be served to 2 yo & up. I was told they would cite us for not having it.
Yes! That is my issue. The parents don't want the change and the kids won't drink it for me.

If I give the kids what the parents want, I could lose my write off? and risk being cited.

For wishy washy research.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 08-26-2014, 10:36 AM
Angelsj's Avatar
Angelsj Angelsj is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,323
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat Herder View Post
No. I love debates. I want to learn about this.

Angelsj, My clients are saying whole is the only healthy cows milk and they would rather water be served than 1% after two. They'd prefer me to serve yogurt/cheese and a glass of water instead.
I agree with them completely. And I would prefer raw at that. On all of those counts. Sadly raw milk is illegal here unless you have your own cow. (Working on that one. Not that I could give it to the dcks.)

And thanks for the cave man image.
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 08-26-2014, 11:24 AM
Lucy's Avatar
Lucy Lucy is offline
Hurt Betrayed Confused
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NW
Posts: 1,648
Default

Another thought...

Are you discussing the type of milk because they're asking?

I just buy my groceries and feed them to the kids. I don't run it past the parents. If they did ask, (never had one do so), I'd say 1%. If that didn't suit them, they'd bring me a container of whatever the heck they want.

I realize it's different if you're on the food program. You can't claim what the parents have provided. I'm not on it, so that's where my outlook comes from.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 08-26-2014, 11:45 AM
Cat Herder's Avatar
Cat Herder Cat Herder is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,612
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy View Post
Another thought...

Are you discussing the type of milk because they're asking?

Yep. We transition from breast milk/formula to whole milk, then to 2% by the old standards. When that changed I had to change the feeding plan in the handbook.

Most like to email me for clarification on that section, "Meals"... few just sign off and turn it back in.

I rarely invite drama into my money on purpose...

Good point, though.
__________________
- Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 08-26-2014, 11:52 AM
itlw8's Avatar
itlw8 itlw8 is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,199
Default

This is really quite simple If you are on the food program you have to follow the rules and that means 1% or 1/2 % or skim for 2 and up unless there is a medical need or the parents just want them on soy.

If you do not want to follow those rules you are free to not be on the food program and the IRS does not ask or care what milk or even if you serve milk The standard deduction is a easy way to figure food costs. heck you could feed them pancakes and koolaid and the IRS has nothing to say about it Though your state would if you are licensed and so would the parents
__________________
It will wait
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 08-26-2014, 02:25 PM
daycare's Avatar
daycare daycare is offline
Advanced Daycare.com Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Mars
Posts: 16,021
Default

have you watched the new milk commerical where there is a little girl sitting in the shopping cart while shopping with her mom.

a lady comes up looking rather beat up, and says I am you in the future, you didn't drink your milk...

but if you did drink your milk.. ALl of a sudden this woman turns into a beautiful marathon runner who takes first place...

I want to kick the screen...

Oh and heres a laugh.

I said this to my husband about the milk thread.

He said
Humans are the only animal to drink milk after infancy and also the only animal to drink the milk of another animal. If drinking milk were human breast milk, he said he would help himself to several servings a day....yeah leave it to a man to come up with that....
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 08-27-2014, 10:11 AM
MarinaVanessa's Avatar
MarinaVanessa MarinaVanessa is offline
Family Childcare Home
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ventura County, CA
Posts: 7,200
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daycare View Post
have you watched the new milk commerical where there is a little girl sitting in the shopping cart while shopping with her mom.

a lady comes up looking rather beat up, and says I am you in the future, you didn't drink your milk...

but if you did drink your milk.. ALl of a sudden this woman turns into a beautiful marathon runner who takes first place...

I want to kick the screen...

Oh and heres a laugh.

I said this to my husband about the milk thread.

He said
Humans are the only animal to drink milk after infancy and also the only animal to drink the milk of another animal. If drinking milk were human breast milk, he said he would help himself to several servings a day....yeah leave it to a man to come up with that....
My children's pediatrician once told me that the only animals that should be drinking cow's milk are baby cows
__________________
Daycare Ninja, CA
Helping Hands Childcare
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 08-27-2014, 12:20 PM
Blackcat31's Avatar
Blackcat31 Blackcat31 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 19,078
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daycare View Post

He said
Humans are the only animal to drink milk after infancy and also the only animal to drink the milk of another animal.
We're also the only animals that pawn off our own children to other mothers to care for.

We're also the only animals that eat junk food, fast food and other not so healthy things.

We're also the only animals that use cell phones and watch TV.

While I do agree that humans can live without consuming dairy, I don't think it's fair to write it off or use that argument against the consumption of milk/dairy.

It DOES have it's benefits.

I know we can get those benefits in other things but it doesn't automatically make milk bad.....kwim?
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 08-27-2014, 01:11 PM
itlw8's Avatar
itlw8 itlw8 is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 2,199
Default

and the only ones to wear clothes ,drive cars, cook our food, the list goes on and on.
__________________
It will wait
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 08-27-2014, 01:13 PM
melilley's Avatar
melilley melilley is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daycare View Post


He said
Humans are the only animal to drink milk after infancy and also the only animal to drink the milk of another animal. If drinking milk were human breast milk, he said he would help himself to several servings a day....yeah leave it to a man to come up with that....
Sounds exactly like something that my husband would say! Some men!
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 08-27-2014, 02:56 PM
renodeb's Avatar
renodeb renodeb is offline
Daycare.com Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Reno, Nv
Posts: 837
Default

I don't have these issues with my clients. I give them the guide lines at the start and tell them that if they need something diffrent than the guidelines that I need a doctors note and that usually stops them because who wants to have to do anything extra. I personally think kids drink way to much milk. I know for a fact that at least one of my dc kids gets a huge sippy of milk every morning before he arrives here. I read that kids only need a 1/2 cup of milk per meal at 2 years old. That's not a lot. If I wasn't on the food program I probably wouldn't give milk at all! JMO!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
meal allowance, milk, politics vs childcare needs, tax preparation

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Another Milk Question Sunchimes Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 15 02-08-2014 08:56 PM
Question About Breast Milk.... Blackcat31 Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 6 06-11-2012 10:39 AM
Daycare No Longer Providing Morning Snack nancy123 Parents and Guardians Forum 40 10-25-2011 10:57 AM
Menu Question... SilverSabre25 Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 21 02-15-2011 05:20 PM
Tough Going mac60 Daycare Center and Family Home Forum 29 01-21-2011 08:52 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:27 PM.



Daycare.com         Find A Daycare         List Your Daycare         Toys & Products                 About Us

Daycare.com
Please read our Disclaimer before continuing.

Topics pertain mainly to the following States:

Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware District of Columbia Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming