Covid Vaccine?

[VictoryCare]

But I thank you for your kindness and for explaining why you feel that way

[VictoryCare]

My family and I have been very lucky, and I dont want to see anymore people die, I wish everyone would just wear a mask, its such a small thing to do, I would not be able to live with myself if I caused someone to get infected because I didn't wear a mask, I am talking about myself specifically, not anyone here

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

Lol, willy nilly is a silly phrase, lol

It wasn't a compliment

[Blackcat31]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

But I thank you for your kindness and for explaining why you feel that way

I understand the lack of tone when reading text as I’ve found myself in the thick of things a time or two before.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you’re just trying to discuss the topic in general and may have inadvertently set the tone as negative (or whatever word fits for readers) but in reality you are feeling similar to the rest of us who simply want normal back or at the very least some sense of it.

Financial survival as well as actual physical survival (and many other types of survival) all play a role in this so all facets must be considered. If only one side is addressed it won’t matter.

A car with one flat tire negates the ability to drive it.

I am leery of the vaccine.
I wear a mask 100% of the time outside my home
My DH is a type 1 diabetic

I follow the suggested rules because there isn’t any other way to “fight” right now but I can’t ignore the financial and mental health impacts while fighting this.

I think I speak for everyone but we are all frustrated, scared and a bit angry albeit for different reasons but the difference is I respect the choices others make even if I don’t agree because I can not change others.

[VictoryCare]

I think that maybe, when I am passionate about something I tend to communicate it the wrong way, maybe I am wrong, maybe none of this stuff matters, I don't know anymore

[VictoryCare]

I apologize blackcat. I certainly truly did not mean to come off in any of the ways you said I did

[VictoryCare]

I really was talking in general terms, but I can see how it came off differently

[Blackcat31]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

I apologize blackcat. I certainly truly did not mean to come off in any of the ways you said I did

No worries; We are all in this together

I have no doubt that stress and fear is taking its toll on all of us in one way or another

[VictoryCare]

Thank you for understanding...😊

[VictoryCare]

I hope it will still be ok to participate in the chat boards,but maybe I should stay way from talking about Covid..lol

[Blackcat31]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

I hope it will still be ok to participate in the chat boards,but maybe I should stay way from talking about Covid..lol

Definitely join all the conversations.

There are some really good ones!

[284878]

Reading through this thread reminds me of reading through a family group text. When my bi-polar sister goes on a rampage about anything including but not limited to why a chicken crossed the road. No matter what anyone says she will not agree with them, even when you try to say that you agree with her reason on why the chicken crossed the road. She will blow up the text and post things quickly without thinking, checking her tone or even sometimes contradicting herself.

My advice to my family when this happens is to not engage. It doesn't stop her from blowing up the group text but it gives her less fuel for her fire and the only one she has to argue with is herself.


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With that said, someone keeps spouting to believe in or faith in science and that we should live in FEAR. Well here is some science for you...

There is a hormone in your body called, CORTISOL that is your body's natural alarm system (fight or flight). However, when you live in fear your body will produce too much cortisol and that can cause you health problems including weight gain. Hence living in fear is bad for your health and can cause you to get sick. So stop living in fear, (be afraid) and start living.

For the record, I do not believe in or have faith in science, it has been wrong too many times. (if you really need an example, the world is not flat)

[VictoryCare]

Lol, I dont live in fear, nor do I believe the world is flat. Science proved that it wasn't flat

[PB&J]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

I really was talking in general terms, but I can see how it came off differently

This is what I had in mind when I stated my opinion earlier on the venting thread that posters should check out the site before posting (and then got really confused when I saw you’ve been here a couple of years)... I haven’t seen a single post from anyone that ISN’T taking this seriously or coming here to find out how to keep their kiddos and families SAFER. It seemed like out of the blue a poster (ok, you...) were reprimanding all of us and accusing us of, well, all kinds of things. From what I see, we are most ALL wearing masks, limiting outings, etc......and coming here for advice when our DC families are not.

[VictoryCare]

Again, I was speaking in general terms, I said people are not doing what they are supposed to be doing, I did not say any particular person on this site was not doing what they were supposed to be doing

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by 284878

Reading through this thread reminds me of reading through a family group text. When my bi-polar sister goes on a rampage about anything including but not limited to why a chicken crossed the road. No matter what anyone says she will not agree with them, even when you try to say that you agree with her reason on why the chicken crossed the road. She will blow up the text and post things quickly without thinking, checking her tone or even sometimes contradicting herself.

My advice to my family when this happens is to not engage. It doesn't stop her from blowing up the group text but it gives her less fuel for her fire and the only one she has to argue with is herself.


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With that said, someone keeps spouting to believe in or faith in science and that we should live in FEAR. Well here is some science for you...

There is a hormone in your body called, CORTISOL that is your body's natural alarm system (fight or flight). However, when you live in fear your body will produce too much cortisol and that can cause you health problems including weight gain. Hence living in fear is bad for your health and can cause you to get sick. So stop living in fear, (be afraid) and start living.

For the record, I do not believe in or have faith in science, it has been wrong too many times. (if you really need an example, the world is not flat)

My wise old grandmother told me the chicken crossed the road to get to the other side😁 I have to agree with my grandmother on this because she was awesome. But I am pretty sure that VictoryCare will prove this to be all wrong because Trump.

[284878]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

Lol, I dont live in fear, nor do I believe the world is flat. Science proved that it wasn't flat

Your post #53 says to the reader "you should be afraid", my post says "stop living in fear (be afraid)"

I never said you believe the world is flat, I used that as an example in case you needed proof that science has been wrong.

But interestingly I found this on the world wide web...

Ferdinand Magellan, a Portuguese explorer, successfully led a fleet of ships continuously around the world in the early 1500s, proving, finally, that the Earth was indeed round. hmm... can you resist???










Officially engaged... and regretting it already

[VictoryCare]

Ya know, I was reading through what I posted and what other people posted and I basically have been saying the same things at what others have said only in a different way, so whats the deal?....

[284878]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

My wise old grandmother told me the chicken crossed the road to get to the other side😁 I have to agree with my grandmother on this because she was awesome. But I am pretty sure that VictoryCare will prove this to be all wrong because Trump.

My wise old grandmother said the same thing, but just to be childish, my grandma was wiser and awesomer than yours.

[VictoryCare]

Wow, you all are so nice..😉

[VictoryCare]

And mature 😁

[VictoryCare]

It was proven that the world was round way before that

[VictoryCare]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth research the proper research....a "little" knowledge is a dangerous thing

[284878]

Originally Posted by springvalley112

I was sitting here thinking, since we are so close to having a vaccine available, how many of ya'll will be getting a vaccine and will you require your families to get their children a vaccine? Do you think that your states childcare standards will include that children will have to get a vaccine as a requirement to attend childcare or school?

Back to the original topic, I am not sure what I will do, I have recently reacted to other vaccines and I am nervous that my next reaction may be worse than the last. I also do not want a guinea pig. I do get the flu shot every year, but my reaction to those is not as bad as they are to the other vaccines.

Also, my brother and I were talking and he read that the vaccine is not to prevent you from getting sick but eases the symptoms when you do get it. So if this is true then I will take that into consideration when I make my decision.

[VictoryCare]

🤣..thank you..😁

[Blackcat31]

Round, flat or square.... the world is a powder keg just waiting to go off. Everyone is offended by something and everything and ‘snarky’ seems to be the new norm. (in general)

I try hard to find the good in every day and in everyone and freely admit it’s hard; sometimes near impossible but I do believe that a majority of people care about others.
Each of us are experiencing some form of impact from COVID. It’s not racist, biased or judgmental.

I think (individually and collectively) we learn the most from the worst times. If we don’t history repeats itself.

I pray for everyone.

[284878]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth research the proper research....a "little" knowledge is a dangerous thing

- Wikipedia is not consider a reliable source. It is created and edited by the average man, I could edit and say that Magellan was my uncle. History books have also been found to have errors because the people that wrote them were not actually there.

"Ferdinand Magellan, a Portuguese explorer, successfully led a fleet of ships continuously around the world in the early 1500s, proving, finally, that the Earth was indeed round." < ---- this states in a roundabout way (roundabout ), that once an explorer sailed around the world, there was no longer a question that the world was in fact round. Ending any skepticism that it was not. Thus proving the world was round not just claiming that they believed it to be.

Was he the first to claim the world was round, no but he was the first one to back up his claim with proof. Or at least he was according to the history books...

Who knows if someone else went before him, it is completely possible that a pirate (or maybe it was the Vikings) ship sailed around the world first thinking that they were lost, and ashamed that it took them so long to get home that they made up stories of fighting off dragons for buried treasures. We will never know and the good news is it does not matter.

[VictoryCare]

You got your Magellan source from boys life which also says what I said about it being proven round way before Magellan..lol

[VictoryCare]

Aristotle was the first to notice that “There are stars seen in Egypt which are not seen in the northerly regions.” And since this could only happen on a curved surface, he hypothesized that the Earth was a sphere. He was also the first to observe that the shadow of Earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is round. Even with his evidence, the world wasn’t yet convinced, after all civilization had always believed the Earth to be flat, and a silly-named Greek philosopher wasn’t going to change their mind so easily.

But it wasn’t until the height of the Roman Empire, several hundred years later, that the theory of a spherical Earth became mainstream when Roman authors included the fact in any and all scientific writings. But even then, no one knew how big of a sphere the Earth actually was, and the whole thing was just as big a mystery as ever.

[VictoryCare]

Please re-research your "research"

[284878]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

Aristotle was the first to notice that “There are stars seen in Egypt which are not seen in the northerly regions.” And since this could only happen on a curved surface, he hypothesized that the Earth was a sphere. He was also the first to observe that the shadow of Earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is round. Even with his evidence, the world wasn’t yet convinced, after all civilization had always believed the Earth to be flat, and a silly-named Greek philosopher wasn’t going to change their mind so easily.

But it wasn’t until the height of the Roman Empire, several hundred years later, that the theory of a spherical Earth became mainstream when Roman authors included the fact in any and all scientific writings. But even then, no one knew how big of a sphere the Earth actually was, and the whole thing was just as big a mystery as ever.

All this because I said I do not believe in or have faith in science because it has been wrong too many times and used the example that one-time science said that the world was flat and later we discovered that they were wrong and it was round. Science also once said that pluto was a planet and now say that they were wrong and it is a moon. (as they say, 2 wrongs don't make them right)

BTW - I did a bing search and took the first thing that popped up, I did not even pay attention to the source nor did I open the article or pay attention to who the explorer was, it could have said, Henry Hudson, was the explorer, I just posted it. (although I would have been embarrassed if you had said I got it from playboy or hooters ).

So truthfully I did a search and not research, although all I said was that I found it on the world wide web, I never said how and never claimed I did any research.

Although it has been fun, I will have to end this endless discussion with you.

I came, I made my point, I am done, time to move on.

Oh, one more thing, I am not sure if I should say this or not because... but if you use the "quote" button at the bottom of the person's comment, then we would know for sure who you are talking to or what comment you are referencing. But you probably already knew that.

Have a nice day.

[VictoryCare]

You knew who I was talking to because YOU responded back to me. And, thats my whole point, you says things here like you know it like it is fact, when in actuality you don't know anything, and than you become upset when you are called out on it, and you didn't want to move on, because, I stopped talking about science and Covid, and even apologized, but YOU could not keep me out of your mouth. Now, the conversation IS over. Have a great day...😉

[VictoryCare]

You knew who I was talking to because YOU responded back to me. And, thats my whole point. You say things here like you know it like it is fact, when in actuality you don't know anything, and than you become upset when you are called out on it, but you would be better prepared to act like you really knew what you were talking about if you actually had done a proper research. Also,, you did not want to move on, because, I stopped talking about science and Covid, and even apologized, but YOU could not keep my nane out of your mouth. Now, the conversation reakky IS over. Have a great day...😉

[Josiegirl]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

Please re-research your "research"

In the spirit of my (off)sense of humor sometimes, where do all of you find the time to do this research???
And come on now, everything I learned about the earth, planets, science, life, happened in school. And we *all* know how accurate that's been.

[Josiegirl]

And please remember, some times it's more important to be kind, than right.

[Gemma]

Originally Posted by 284878

Back to the original topic,

Also, my brother and I were talking and he read that the vaccine is not to prevent you from getting sick but eases the symptoms when you do get it.

So if getting the vaccine will not control the spread of the virus, why are they suggesting it might became mandatory in some circumstances, for the sake of the population?

[VictoryCare]

Exactly, practice what you preach

[284878]

Originally Posted by Gemma

So if getting the vaccine will not control the spread of the virus, why are they suggesting it might became mandatory in some circumstances, for the sake of the population?

I don't know, I am not sure where he got that info. I just know that if it is true, I think I will pass.

There are so many lies out there online and in the media plus science doesn't know what they are doing either. The only true way to make a decision on getting the vaccine is to go with your heart not so called facts. If science knew what they were doing than we would not be in this predicament, the virus would not have gotten to this point and would have stopped in China. Science is not God, it is humans making guesses to benefit themselves.

[Blackcat31]

Originally Posted by Josiegirl

And please remember, some times it's more important to be kind, than right.

No truer words have been spoken.

[VictoryCare]

I am glad we ALL agree, now we can move on to other things..😊

[Annalee]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

I am glad we ALL agree, now we can move on to other things..��

Not sure if 'agreement' is what I 'sense' on this thread but we 'CAN move on'. I feel the 'wheels are simply turning in the mud and not making much ground'.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Annalee

Not sure if 'agreement' is what I 'sense' on this thread but we 'CAN move on'. I feel the 'wheels are simply turning in the mud and not making much ground'.

I agree. I lost interest completely.

I will be watching Britain's roll out and public response with great interest, though.

"Tuesday as a 90-year-old British woman became the first person outside of trials to receive the shot" - https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28I1WD

[Annalee]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

I agree. I lost interest completely.

I will be watching Britain's roll out and public response with great interest, though.

"Tuesday as a 90-year-old British woman became the first person outside of trials to receive the shot" - https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28I1WD

I'm gonna shift totally and work on a Family Tree for my 11th grade son!!! Then I'm gonna get me something good like chocolate to eat.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Annalee

I'm gonna shift totally and work on a Family Tree for my 11th grade son!!! Then I'm gonna get me something good like chocolate to eat.

That sounds fun. Never a bad day for chocolate.

I am being spoiled today. DH grilled steaks and made twice baked potato's for lunch. He said he wanted steak and is not willing to give up taco night...

I am supposed to be putting up a tree with the daycare kids this afternoon, I don't see that happening with such a heavy lunch. Maybe waterpaints and staring out the window.....

[VictoryCare]

I am definitely in the Christmas spirit

[VictoryCare]

Does anyone else bake a ton of cookies for Christmas, maybe we can swap cookie recipes?😊

[Blackcat31]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

Does anyone else bake a ton of cookies for Christmas, maybe we can swap cookie recipes?😊

I love Christmas cookies but hate baking.
I have no patience for it.

I have a plan though...I usually ask my daycare families to each bring two dozen home made cookies to daycare so we have some yummy choices and everyone goes home with a variety of cookies to share with their family.

Win-win!

We can definitely start a Christmas cookie/gift etc thread and talk Christmas fun!

[VictoryCare]

Thats a great idea, I never thought about that before, can I use it, it would be great 😊

[VictoryCare]

And maybe exchange Christmas activity ideas to do with the kids?

[VictoryCare]

I mean your plan about the cookies..lol

[Blackcat31]

Originally Posted by VictoryCare

Thats a great idea, I never thought about that before, can I use it, it would be great 😊

Absolutely!

It is rather genius if I do say so myself! lol!

[Rockgirl]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

That sounds fun. Never a bad day for chocolate.

I am being spoiled today. DH grilled steaks and made twice baked potato's for lunch. He said he wanted steak and is not willing to give up taco night...

I am supposed to be putting up a tree with the daycare kids this afternoon, I don't see that happening with such a heavy lunch. Maybe waterpaints and staring out the window.....

How nice of him! That sounds delicious. We do taco Tuesday here, too. My carne asada is currently marinating in the fridge for tonight.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Rockgirl

How nice of him! That sounds delicious. We do taco Tuesday here, too. My carne asada is currently marinating in the fridge for tonight.

He is pretty awesome. I really am spoiled most days. It has been a transition to him working exclusively from home these past couple years, but we have finally found our flow. Well, most days.

Our tacos for tonight are "Sweet Chili Pork Tacos with Red Cabbage Slaw, Zesty Crema & Peanuts". It will be our second time having them and man are they delicious. We are still doing Every Plate 3 nights a week. It has been really fun and has introduced us to things we have never seen in our grocery stores. Can't beat the prices, either. I was surprised.

[Rockgirl]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

He is pretty awesome. I really am spoiled most days. It has been a transition to him working exclusively from home these past couple years, but we have finally found our flow. Well, most days.

Our tacos for tonight are "Sweet Chili Pork Tacos with Red Cabbage Slaw, Zesty Crema & Peanuts". It will be our second time having them and man are they delicious. We are still doing Every Plate 3 nights a week. It has been really fun and has introduced us to things we have never seen in our grocery stores. Can't beat the prices, either. I was surprised.

Oh, my word—that sounds delicious!!

[Josiegirl]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

He is pretty awesome. I really am spoiled most days. It has been a transition to him working exclusively from home these past couple years, but we have finally found our flow. Well, most days.

Our tacos for tonight are "Sweet Chili Pork Tacos with Red Cabbage Slaw, Zesty Crema & Peanuts". It will be our second time having them and man are they delicious. We are still doing Every Plate 3 nights a week. It has been really fun and has introduced us to things we have never seen in our grocery stores. Can't beat the prices, either. I was surprised.

Are those tacos from your Every Plate? I got so sick of tacos when our kids were growing up because we had them every single week but those tacos sound really good!

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Josiegirl

Are those tacos from your Every Plate? I got so sick of tacos when our kids were growing up because we had them every single week but those tacos sound really good!

Yes! They have a couple different tacos, quesadillas, flat breads or tostadas almost weekly in the choices. There are usually about 12-14 choices each week, vegetarian, too. Black Bean & Pepper Jack Tostadas with Southwest Lime Crema & Spicy Pico de Gallo is for tomorrow. It really is worth it for us. $38 per week/3 big meals/2 people. Easy fun.

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Annalee

I'm gonna shift totally and work on a Family Tree for my 11th grade son!!! Then I'm gonna get me something good like chocolate to eat.

Speaking of trees —The winds here have been so strong the last 4 days that my poor tree in the front yard blew down last night. I will spend today cutting it up. Right now it’s an eyesore.

[284878]

Originally Posted by Rockgirl

How nice of him! That sounds delicious. We do taco Tuesday here, too. My carne asada is currently marinating in the fridge for tonight.

Lol we are having taco too. Got them in the crock pot right now.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Michael

Speaking of trees —The winds here have been so strong the last 4 days that my poor tree in the front yard blew down last night. I will spend today cutting it up. Right now it’s an eyesore.

Ugh. You have my sympathies. We are still clearing downed trees all over our property from Zita.

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

Ugh. You have my sympathies. We are still clearing downed trees all over our property from Zita.

I can imagine! My in-laws were in the eye of that CAT5 hurricane Michael (no less). They had at least 5 huge trees come down. One in their garage. It takes a lot of money and work to remove them. I’m lucky. Mine is about 15 feet tall with a 1 foot diameter.

[284878]

Just heard on the radio that the first few to get the vaccine in the UK included William Shakespeare. Wow, I did not know he was still alive.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by 284878

Just heard on the radio that the first few to get the vaccine in the UK included William Shakespeare. Wow, I did not know he was still alive.

I read that too... They were taking about allergic reactions this morning and warning those with past immunization reactions to hold off a bit.

[284878]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

I read that too... They were taking about allergic reactions this morning and warning those with past immunization reactions to hold off a bit.

Thank you for letting me know. It looks like I will not be getting one right away then.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by 284878

Thank you for letting me know. It looks like I will not be getting one right away then.

Here are my sources: https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...KBN28J1SU?il=0 - UK medicine regulator examining Pfizer vaccine reactions as matter of priority

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...KBN28J1D1?il=0 - UK warns people with serious allergies to avoid Pfizer vaccine after two adverse reactions

[Gemma]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

Here are my sources: https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...KBN28J1SU?il=0 - UK medicine regulator examining Pfizer vaccine reactions as matter of priority

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...KBN28J1D1?il=0 - UK warns people with serious allergies to avoid Pfizer vaccine after two adverse reactions

I want nothing to do with these vaccines, I rather take my chances with the virus

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

Here are my sources: https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...KBN28J1SU?il=0 - UK medicine regulator examining Pfizer vaccine reactions as matter of priority

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...KBN28J1D1?il=0 - UK warns people with serious allergies to avoid Pfizer vaccine after two adverse reactions

2 people had allergic reaction, they are fine now. All vaccines carry a lengthy list of side effects.

[284878]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

2 people had allergic reaction, they are fine now. All vaccines carry a lengthy list of side effects.

Some people that are allergic to vaccines do not get lengthy side effects because the side effect is life-ending for them. Please do not degrade my decision or anyones, to hold off on taking the vaccine because only a small percentage vs a large percentage had a reaction and they are fine. I will choose to quarantine then risk having a life-ending reaction to something that is supposed to save me from getting sick.

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by 284878

Some people that are allergic to vaccines do not get lengthy side effects because the side effect is life-ending for them. Please do not degrade my decision or anyones, to hold off on taking the vaccine because only a small percentage vs a large percentage had a reaction and they are fine. I will choose to quarantine then risk having a life-ending reaction to something that is supposed to save me from getting sick.

Help me see how I said something to degrade you?

Also, I really don't care whether people take this vaccine or not.

[284878]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

Help me see how I said something to degrade you?

Also, I really don't care whether people take this vaccine or not.

Sorry, it was an auto correct.

Your post came across to me as saying that ...

If one did not get the vaccine just because of 2 people that had an allergic reaction (and were fine) they were in the wrong because all vaccines have side effects.

But if you did not mean it that way, then I take back 100% of my reply.

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by 284878

Sorry, it was an auto correct.

Your post came across to me as saying that ...

If one did not get the vaccine just because of 2 people that had an allergic reaction (and were fine) they were in the wrong because all vaccines have side effects.

But if you did not mean it that way, then I take back 100% of my reply.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

2 people had allergic reaction, they are fine now. All vaccines carry a lengthy list of side effects.

And? Your point?

If you want to take the vaccine, take the vaccine. No one is stopping you. Be my guest.

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

And? Your point?

If you want to take the vaccine, take the vaccine. No one is stopping you. Be my guest.

If you would have read my next reply to 284878 instead of snapping at me, you would see that I don't care whether people choose to take the vaccine or not. I simply pointed out that there ARE side effects to ALL vaccines.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

If you would have read my next reply to 284878 instead of snapping at me, you would see that I don't care whether people choose to take the vaccine or not. I simply pointed out that there ARE side effects to ALL vaccines.

It was not a snap, I wanted to know your point as it seemed off topic and oppositional. We already know that all vaccines have side effects, that has nothing to do with patients with known allergic reactions to immunizations jumping the line for the first covid-19 immunizations. A known contraindication. The point of the "wait" request by health officials is that this vaccine is in limited numbers and the hospitals are already overwhelmed with high needs patients. Taking the vaccine with known previous reactions would be a selfish choice. First, in taking a dose from someone who would more likely benefit. Second, in risking your life in an already over tasked ICU lowering your survival rate and costing your family thousands of dollars if you survive.

It would be akin to giving the only available liver to an alcoholic. Yes, the alcoholic will get the chance but should not be at the top of the list. Medical history matters.

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

It was not a snap, I wanted to know your point as it seemed off topic and oppositional. We already know that all vaccines have side effects, that has nothing to do with patients with known allergic reactions to immunizations jumping the line for the first covid-19 immunizations. A known contraindication. The point of the "wait" request by health officials is that this vaccine is in limited numbers and the hospitals are already overwhelmed with high needs patients. Taking the vaccine with known previous reactions would be a selfish choice. First, in taking a dose from someone who would more likely benefit. Second, in risking your life in an already over tasked ICU lowering your survival rate and costing your family thousands of dollars if you survive.

It would be akin to giving the only available liver to an alcoholic. Yes, the alcoholic will get the chance but should not be at the top of the list. Medical history matters.

How in the world was I off topic? This is a thread about the vaccine right? Nevertheless, fault will be found somewhere.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

How in the world was I off topic? This is a thread about the vaccine right? Nevertheless, fault will be found somewhere.

You quoted me, not the OP. My post was about contraindications and an announced public health statement.

Your post said "2 people had allergic reaction, they are fine now. All vaccines carry a lengthy list of side effects."

They were not "fine" and my post was not about side effects. It isn't personal. No one is blocking anyone from taking it. It was a request for personal accountability.

[MyAngels]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

It was not a snap, I wanted to know your point as it seemed off topic and oppositional. We already know that all vaccines have side effects, that has nothing to do with patients with known allergic reactions to immunizations jumping the line for the first covid-19 immunizations. A known contraindication. The point of the "wait" request by health officials is that this vaccine is in limited numbers and the hospitals are already overwhelmed with high needs patients. Taking the vaccine with known previous reactions would be a selfish choice. First, in taking a dose from someone who would more likely benefit. Second, in risking your life in an already over tasked ICU lowering your survival rate and costing your family thousands of dollars if you survive.

It would be akin to giving the only available liver to an alcoholic. Yes, the alcoholic will get the chance but should not be at the top of the list. Medical history matters.

It definitely came across as a snap to more than one person, whether intended or not, as your posts sometimes do.

This is a thread about vaccines, so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the post was "off topic" or "oppositional" either.

[Annalee]

Originally Posted by MyAngels

It definitely came across as a snap to more than one person, whether intended or not, as your posts sometimes do.

This is a thread about vaccines, so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the post was "off topic" or "oppositional" either.

I know covid is messing with our moods, but I disagree with your view about CH 'snapping'.

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by MyAngels

It definitely came across as a snap to more than one person, whether intended or not, as your posts sometimes do.

This is a thread about vaccines, so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the post was "off topic" or "oppositional" either.

Yep, this is how I see it too.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by MyAngels

It definitely came across as a snap to more than one person, whether intended or not, as your posts sometimes do.

This is a thread about vaccines, so I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that the post was "off topic" or "oppositional" either.

When you quote someone, you are replying to their post. In this instance it was a statement meant to negate my statement.

I merely countered an oppositional (**opposing viewpoint**) debate to my statement. If the statement was stand-alone, without quoting my statement, I would not even have responded.

[Cat Herder]

FTR, I love to debate. It isn't personal to me and is not intended to be. Change my mind. I love that.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

Yep, this is how I see it too.

I am sorry if it hurt your feelings. It was not my intent.

Please don't quote me and counter my view if you don't want to debate me in the future. I find debate to be fun and engaging. I love learning new things and often do through debate.

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

I am sorry if it hurt your feelings. It was not my intent.

Please don't quote me and counter my view if you don't want to debate me in the future. I find debate to be fun and engaging. I love learning new things and often do through debate.

You didn't hurt my feelings! I just thought you were pissed at my comments and it was not my intention to do that.

[Cat Herder]

Originally Posted by Valerie928

You didn't hurt my feelings! I just thought you were pissed at my comments and it was not my intention to do that.

No. Not in the least.

I welcome debates.

You are also welcome to private message me if you ever are in doubt. I promise, I am not a rager. I just use fewer words. Typing is harder when you get older.

[MyAngels]

Originally Posted by Annalee

I know covid is messing with our moods, but I disagree with your view about CH 'snapping'.

I am, in general, not a moody person. I know not everyone will agree with me. Differences of opinion are what makes the world go 'round, these days especially it would seem

[MyAngels]

Originally Posted by Cat Herder

When you quote someone, you are replying to their post. In this instance it was a statement meant to negate my statement.

I merely countered an oppositional (**opposing viewpoint**) debate to my statement. If the statement was stand-alone, without quoting my statement, I would not even have responded.

Ok, sounds good.

[Michael]

All of you would be better than the group we have in Congress.

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by Michael

All of you would be better than the group we have in Congress.

Damn Straight 🙂👍

[CeriBear]

Originally Posted by flying_babyb

other here! I will take the vaccine AFTER its been out awile and i see what happens to others who take it.

This 100%. I don’t want to be any sort of guinea pig. I’ll will not take the first round even if they paid me. It’s the same way for any new meds that come out.

[Ariana]

I am really happy it’s an mRNA vaccine because it means my body is making it and it’s not material being injected into me. The people who had allergic reactions are the same people who have anaphylactoid allergies to things like peanuts or eggs...so going with some peoples logic they should stop eating peanuts and eggs because some people react to it? The body sometimes reacts stupidly to SAFE things. My own child reacted negatively to a vaccine!

I recently watched a 4 hour documentary on Frontline about the AIDS pandemic and it is eerily similar to this one. At first they knew nothing about it but then slowly started learning more and more...it’s not that the information kept changing it’s that the information kept evolving as researcher learned more about the disease. I am glad it changed and evolved. There were protestors out against kids going to school because people are stupid and science hadn’t caught up yet. We know more about COVID now then we did, that’s progress and shouldn’t be seen as “science doesn’t know because it changes”. The AIDS pandemic also became really political which is sad because many politicians in the world tried to distance themselves from it and listened to “conspiracy theorists” and did nothing (especially in South Africa the hardest hit). Anyway I am rambling but it was really neat to see how much better we are doing this time around to be honest!

[Blackcat31]

I was just notified by my licensor that my state considers child care providers "front line" or critical workers and are counted in those that want the vaccine first. My licensor was asked to e-mail us and ask how many of us want to get vaccinated.

[Annalee]

Originally Posted by Blackcat31

I was just notified by my licensor that my state considers child care providers "front line" or critical workers and are counted in those that want the vaccine first. My licensor was asked to e-mail us and ask how many of us want to get vaccinated.

Wow, what you going to do? Take it or not take it? I haven't heard anything from licensing about it here!

[Blackcat31]

Originally Posted by Annalee

Wow, what you going to do? Take it or not take it? I haven't heard anything from licensing about it here!

I dunno.... I’m so on the fence
But DH is a Type 1 diabetic so he definitely wants to get it.

I just can’t decide

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Blackcat31

I dunno.... I’m so on the fence
But DH is a Type 1 diabetic so he definitely wants to get it.

I just can’t decide

Since it doesn’t sound like you’re adamantly against it, I think you should err on the side of caution.

[Ariana]

Originally Posted by Blackcat31

I was just notified by my licensor that my state considers child care providers "front line" or critical workers and are counted in those that want the vaccine first. My licensor was asked to e-mail us and ask how many of us want to get vaccinated.

That is so great!!

[Blackcat31]

Just found out my daughter is scheduled to get the vaccine tomorrow at 2:45.
Makes me feel a bit better since she works on the COVID floor at a big hospital.

[e.j.]

Originally Posted by Blackcat31

Just found out my daughter is scheduled to get the vaccine tomorrow at 2:45.
Makes me feel a bit better since she works on the COVID floor at a big hospital.

That's got to be a huge relief for you - and even more so when she gets the second shot!

[Valerie928]

Originally Posted by Blackcat31

Just found out my daughter is scheduled to get the vaccine tomorrow at 2:45.
Makes me feel a bit better since she works on the COVID floor at a big hospital.

I am very happy to hear your daughter is getting the vaccine! My cousin, who works at our local Children's hospital got her vaccine yesterday! I know I will get hate for this but please, everyone! Take this vaccine! Read from the actual manufacturer to learn about mRNA.

[Annalee]

Originally Posted by Blackcat31

Just found out my daughter is scheduled to get the vaccine tomorrow at 2:45.
Makes me feel a bit better since she works on the COVID floor at a big hospital.

[Josiegirl]

Originally Posted by Blackcat31

Just found out my daughter is scheduled to get the vaccine tomorrow at 2:45.
Makes me feel a bit better since she works on the COVID floor at a big hospital.

Wonderful! Good luck to her!
Thank you to her for working in such a selfless and currently dangerous profession. It must be heart-breaking at times.

[Blackcat31]

She is anxious about vaccines so she called work this morning and asked if she could come in before her shift instead of after. They said yes, so she got it already this morning! So relieved!

Originally Posted by Josiegirl

Wonderful! Good luck to her!
Thank you to her for working in such a selfless and currently dangerous profession. It must be heart-breaking at times.

Oh my yes! You would not believe the number of times she's called me in tears because of a horrible situation. The worst was one where she and another nurse basically held a patient until they passed (and not peacefully).

She is a very kind and loving person with a HUGE heart and sometimes I think nursing is not for her but she loves what she does. I suppose when you think about it, there isn't really any job that is all fun and rainbows all the time.