daycarediva 09:50 AM 11-30-2016
Shut down July of this year. They found over 30 children in her basement, all ages. Lots of parent complaints. Neighbor complaints.
Just got a phone call from a parent asking if I had openings. This same provider is operating blatantly unlicensed-facebook page, website, advertising, and WELL over ratio (Mom took a picture of 15 kids in the backyard today at drop off, the helper wasn't there yet, so just her)... provider is telling people she is licensed as a small center. My state stopped giving out small center licenses years ago!
I happen to know the woman who is the foster mother of this providers child! (child was VOLUNTARILY given up in Sept of this year)
I urged Mom to call OCFS and gave her the number.
I am SO SICK of these types of 'providers'.
Annalee 09:59 AM 11-30-2016
Ariana 10:02 AM 11-30-2016
So many providers operating illegally. Ugh.
Let me get this straight, the provider gave up her own child but is running a daycare with 15 children
daycarediva 10:05 AM 11-30-2016
Baby Beluga 10:14 AM 11-30-2016
Originally Posted by Ariana:
So many providers operating illegally. Ugh.
Let me get this straight, the provider gave up her own child but is running a daycare with 15 children
Here too. It is ridiculous. And in my state they really don't do much. Recently on a FB swip swap page a mother was looking for care in our area. A local resident chimed in and said something along the lines of "if you are going with in home care make sure the provider cares for no more than 4 children. Anything more than 4 requires a license." Wouldn't you know almost every provider after that deleted their "I have an opening" post.
Controlled Chaos 10:14 AM 11-30-2016
I just can't imagine. I was over ratio with one child for an hour once (half day child's mom was late) and I felt soooooo bad. I have added in procedures to avoid it happening in the future. Being a rule follower is the worst.
Though I am honestly not surprised parents return to the illegal provider. She could have lied about reason for pick up the other day, changing providers is stressful, and most parents have NO IDEA at all of licensing rules and regulations.
daycarediva 10:31 AM 11-30-2016
Originally Posted by Baby Beluga:
Here too. It is ridiculous. And in my state they really don't do much. Recently on a FB swip swap page a mother was looking for care in our area. A local resident chimed in and said something along the lines of "if you are going with in home care make sure the provider cares for no more than 4 children. Anything more than 4 requires a license." Wouldn't you know almost every provider after that deleted their "I have an opening" post.
I got BASHED for posting on a MOPS group for my area that you have to be licensed to provide care for more than 2. A parent enrolled asked me to post the 'rules', she came to my defense as well. So many unlicensed providers started going off on me. Seriously?
Originally Posted by Controlled Chaos:
I just can't imagine. I was over ratio with one child for an hour once (half day child's mom was late) and I felt soooooo bad. I have added in procedures to avoid it happening in the future. Being a rule follower is the worst.
Though I am honestly not surprised parents return to the illegal provider. She could have lied about reason for pick up the other day, changing providers is stressful, and most parents have NO IDEA at all of licensing rules and regulations.
The state stayed until EVERY child was picked up. So I'm sure the state told them.
I am also a rule follower. I can't understand this mindset of not following a law you don't agree with. That always makes me think- what else are you doing?
Fiddlesticks 10:37 AM 11-30-2016
Play Care 11:13 AM 11-30-2016
There are so many reasons parents stay with a provider.
Sometimes they are in denial. It's hard for them to believe that someone they trusted with their child wasn't being truthful.
I also think many believe the State is too intrusive and that the person is just "babysitting," so what's the big deal?
We had a case here last year where an illegal provider's husband was accused of sexually abusing a day care child. Parents who had used this provider were coming out in droves to defend her and her husband. They had no idea she needed to be licensed to care for all those kids...
finsup 11:57 AM 11-30-2016
Originally Posted by Baby Beluga:
Here too. It is ridiculous. And in my state they really don't do much. Recently on a FB swip swap page a mother was looking for care in our area. A local resident chimed in and said something along the lines of "if you are going with in home care make sure the provider cares for no more than 4 children. Anything more than 4 requires a license." Wouldn't you know almost every provider after that deleted their "I have an opening" post.
At least they deleted? Here, they try to argue and reason away why it's ok, or allowed etc. I have made some people very mad when I call them on it. And I AM the legally unliscesned one lol.
That's very concerning! I don't understand how this happens at all. Those of us who are legal are looked at under a microscope, but those that are illegal seem to be able to continue operating past the point of being told to shut down (OR, are never told to shut down).
My state, apparently, provides "waivers" of some sort if your spouse has some violent criminal background because the illegal provider I've been reporting for more than half a year is still operating. They call me to update me on it and said she finally applied to become legal but the background check department will be the deciding factor.
She was illegally operating for more than 1.5 years and would delete and block everyone who attempted to tell her to submit an application to the state to be legal.
Mom2Two 02:37 PM 11-30-2016
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
That's very concerning! I don't understand how this happens at all. Those of us who are legal are looked at under a microscope, but those that are illegal seem to be able to continue operating past the point of being told to shut down (OR, are never told to shut down).
I feel this same way sometimes. I feel like the standard is so extremely high for us, and yet there are illegal places with 15 kids, including a bunch of babies, and ONE provider.
Shawn 04:35 PM 11-30-2016
It's to the point where SOME parents don't seem to care if you're licensed or not. For many it's all about what they can get for less. If the daycare will keep the child for 12 hours a day and charge less than the daycare down the street, it's a deal. No matter that there are 14 kids and the provider has a little beer on her breath. As long as mom can afford her new car payments. It's sad. When you hear about daycares being reported for being over ratios or a child gets harmed, you wonder if the parent just over looked all the red flags. I remember reading about a child death at a daycare where they found a kitchen waste basket full of beer cans, a knife hanging off the edge of the counter and she had more children than what she was suppose to have and visual mold in the carpet of the playroom. When asked why she had too many kids, she said she could only find parents who couldn't afford to pay enough for her to care for less children. And that was a licensed daycare. At what point do we make everyone accountable. The providers, the parents and the government to help make childcare more affordable.
MissAnn 05:35 AM 12-01-2016
I kept seeing a post about a daycare that was obviously unlicensed but operating legally....but she kept saying it was a "3 star quality" program. I work hard for my 3 stars and it urks me that she would advertise as a 3 star program. I started writing posts every 3 days on Craigslist describing what it takes to be a 3 star program and that no program should use that term unless they have actually gone through the process and earned those stars.
Play Care 06:30 AM 12-01-2016
Originally Posted by Mom2Two:
I feel this same way sometimes. I feel like the standard is so extremely high for us, and yet there are illegal places with 15 kids, including a bunch of babies, and ONE provider.
One of our regulations after a child who drown while at a day care. The provider had a pool off her deck that was not fenced off and the child somehow got out and drowned.
The kicker? The provider was unlicensed (I don't recall if she was also illegal).
No amount of regulations will matter, because if you are not licensed, no one is coming to check to make sure you have gates, alarms, etc.