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kayla 08:19 AM 08-01-2012
I have been learning alot about immunizations like how autism wasnt around before they started immunizing, how other countries dont put what they call thermasol in the injections, I gave my kids shots but i'm curious about what others think about them???
MaritimeMummy 09:06 AM 08-01-2012
Originally Posted by kayla:
I have been learning alot about immunizations like how autism wasnt around before they started immunizing...
Autism was around, pre-immunizations. We just know more about it now. It isn't some epidemic that has just sprung up with the advent of vaccinations.I have been learning alot about immunizations like how autism wasnt around before they started immunizing...
Originally Posted by kayla:
...how other countries dont put what they call thermasol in the injections...
All countries, to my knowledge, have two versions of the same immunizations...those with thimerosal and those without. Doctors don't generally advertize this, and will most times, by default, give the immunizations with the thimerosal unless the parent expressly requests it without. ...how other countries dont put what they call thermasol in the injections...
Personally, I have my children fully vaccinated. Deadly, contagious diseases in this day and age are under control only because of vaccines. Even if the claims are true that a vaccine can trigger austim (and this is not scientifically proven...as of now the research is showing that the two are not connected at all), then I'd rather have a child with autism than a child who could be exposed to a deadly disease and end up dead. Sorry, just my personal opinion.
Nickel 09:11 AM 08-01-2012
I fully vaccinate as well. And I agree that deadly diseases are only gone because of vaccinations. If more and more people do not vaccinate I believe they can and will come back. Vaccines have saved lives and I fully intend to keep vaccinating all of my children.
The autism connection with vaccines has been disproven. And honestly I ask every single one of my daycare parents if they are up to date on their vaccines. And so far every parent has said yes. Not sure what I'll do if one says no. But i'd rather they were. Not that I fear that my child will get sick, because they are vaccinated. I know it's a huge controversry, but for us, I choose to and on schedule!
The only thing I do do is wait in the doc office 30 min after because my daughter does have allergies so I like to be sure she isn't going to have an allergic reaction. BUt I do that with new foods and meds too (only at home)
The autism connection with vaccines has been disproven. And honestly I ask every single one of my daycare parents if they are up to date on their vaccines. And so far every parent has said yes. Not sure what I'll do if one says no. But i'd rather they were. Not that I fear that my child will get sick, because they are vaccinated. I know it's a huge controversry, but for us, I choose to and on schedule!
The only thing I do do is wait in the doc office 30 min after because my daughter does have allergies so I like to be sure she isn't going to have an allergic reaction. BUt I do that with new foods and meds too (only at home)
itlw8 11:20 AM 08-01-2012
Originally Posted by kayla:
autism wasnt around before they started immunizing, ??
ok well they did not call it autism but it was here. they took those kids out of the home and locked them up in a home for retarded children. bad word I know but they did it and said it... or in an insane aslyumautism wasnt around before they started immunizing, ??
after that they just lumped them all together in a room and called it special Ed they did not need to know a diagnosis they taught them very little.
Or if they happened to be children we now would say were high functioning autistic or asbergers they said they were disruptive, or lazy and held them back until the child quit school at 16
Shall we talk about the girl in my town that was in an iron lung because she got polio? she lived but is in a wheel chair to this day.
or the kids that died from some of the childhood diseases
I had the mumps at age 5 it was 2 weeks of very painful swollen glands. many men were sterile because of mumps.
I for one am very gratefull for immunizations.
I suppose it did control the population when people used to die from all those illnesses.
kayla 11:57 AM 08-01-2012
I'm not sure about it like I said I have been doing research theres all sorts of info out there, I just wanted to get everyones opinions about it...
Lyss 12:23 PM 08-01-2012
Originally Posted by kayla:
I have been learning alot about immunizations like how autism wasnt around before they started immunizing, how other countries dont put what they call thermasol in the injections, I gave my kids shots but i'm curious about what others think about them???
i thought all these "links" between autism and vaccinations had been proved false? Both the AAP and CDC have said there is no evidence of connection.I have been learning alot about immunizations like how autism wasnt around before they started immunizing, how other countries dont put what they call thermasol in the injections, I gave my kids shots but i'm curious about what others think about them???
From what I've read they took thermasol (except for a trace amount in influenza vaccines) out of immunizations in 2001, but autism is still on the rise 11 years later. It was around back in the "old days" it just, like previous posters said, it just wasn't something advertised and treated they just sent people to asylums, special homes, and clinics.
Jenniferdawn 02:06 PM 08-01-2012
"The autism connection with vaccines has been disproven. "
I know this is a HUGE debate, but this is not true. You can't argue with mothers who see a black and white difference between their child from before and after they get a shot. One of my best friends son went through this. He was a completely normal happy, outgoing boy. He got his shot and literally with in HOURS of getting this shot, he became autistic. He was a different child. He stopped talking, wouldn't look at people anymore and began all of the typical signs associated with autism. A mom knows her child, you know? You just can't argue with that. Now because of that shot, her child will never be how he once was. So sad.
I think there are a number of factors that lead to autism, vaccines being one of them. What they are finding is vaccines in and of themselves are not CAUSING the autism. Rather they are suppressing the immune system in such a way that they body reacts by bringing out autistic qualities in those who have that tendency. Below is one of many websites you can look into about the dangers and science behind vaccines if you want to read more.
http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/
I know this is a HUGE debate, but this is not true. You can't argue with mothers who see a black and white difference between their child from before and after they get a shot. One of my best friends son went through this. He was a completely normal happy, outgoing boy. He got his shot and literally with in HOURS of getting this shot, he became autistic. He was a different child. He stopped talking, wouldn't look at people anymore and began all of the typical signs associated with autism. A mom knows her child, you know? You just can't argue with that. Now because of that shot, her child will never be how he once was. So sad.
I think there are a number of factors that lead to autism, vaccines being one of them. What they are finding is vaccines in and of themselves are not CAUSING the autism. Rather they are suppressing the immune system in such a way that they body reacts by bringing out autistic qualities in those who have that tendency. Below is one of many websites you can look into about the dangers and science behind vaccines if you want to read more.
http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/
Jenniferdawn 02:09 PM 08-01-2012
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ed-autism.aspx
Here is a link to a story that just recently happened, an Italian court ruling that the MMR vaccine did in fact cause Autism in a child.
Here is a link to a story that just recently happened, an Italian court ruling that the MMR vaccine did in fact cause Autism in a child.
e.j. 02:44 PM 08-01-2012
From the CDC website:
[size="2"] "...in 2001 thimerosal was removed or reduced to trace amounts in all childhood vaccines except for one type of influenza vaccine, and thimerosal-free alternatives are available for influenza vaccine. Evidence from several studies examining trends in vaccine use and changes in autism frequency does not support such an association between thimerosal and autism. Furthermore, a scientific review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that "the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal–containing vaccines and autism." CDC supports the IOM conclusion that there is no relationship between vaccines containing thimerosal and autism rates in children.
The IOM also recently conducted a thorough review of the current medical and scientific evidence on vaccines and certain health events that may be observed after vaccination. It released a report in August 2011 on 8 vaccines given to children and adults that found the vaccines to be generally safe and serious adverse events following these vaccinations to be rare."[/SIZE]
This is the governments' official stance on autism and immunizations. As the mother of a child who has Asperger's (a form of high functioning autism), I've heard both sides of the issue. I'd like to believe what my government is saying. On the other hand, I hear the anecdotal stories from parents that seem to indicate a relationship between vaccines and autism and it's hard to believe there isn't some connection. I noticed changes in my own son shortly after his immunizations, but I had also seen subtle signs of "something" when he was an infant. Just didn't know enough about autism for it to occur to me that it might be what I was seeing. I also see a strong familial tie to autism. I often wonder if some people have a genetic make up that makes them more susceptible to vaccines injury than most in the general population. Who knows? I think a lot more has to be done to find the cause of autism and it will probably take years.
In the meantime, while I have to admit I was concerned about having my dd immunized for fear she might start showing autistic tendencies, too, I chose to have her immunized. My reasoning was that I'd rather raise another child with autism than risk her dying from any of the diseases the vaccines were protecting her against. Just my take on the issue.
[size="2"] "...in 2001 thimerosal was removed or reduced to trace amounts in all childhood vaccines except for one type of influenza vaccine, and thimerosal-free alternatives are available for influenza vaccine. Evidence from several studies examining trends in vaccine use and changes in autism frequency does not support such an association between thimerosal and autism. Furthermore, a scientific review by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that "the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal–containing vaccines and autism." CDC supports the IOM conclusion that there is no relationship between vaccines containing thimerosal and autism rates in children.
The IOM also recently conducted a thorough review of the current medical and scientific evidence on vaccines and certain health events that may be observed after vaccination. It released a report in August 2011 on 8 vaccines given to children and adults that found the vaccines to be generally safe and serious adverse events following these vaccinations to be rare."[/SIZE]
This is the governments' official stance on autism and immunizations. As the mother of a child who has Asperger's (a form of high functioning autism), I've heard both sides of the issue. I'd like to believe what my government is saying. On the other hand, I hear the anecdotal stories from parents that seem to indicate a relationship between vaccines and autism and it's hard to believe there isn't some connection. I noticed changes in my own son shortly after his immunizations, but I had also seen subtle signs of "something" when he was an infant. Just didn't know enough about autism for it to occur to me that it might be what I was seeing. I also see a strong familial tie to autism. I often wonder if some people have a genetic make up that makes them more susceptible to vaccines injury than most in the general population. Who knows? I think a lot more has to be done to find the cause of autism and it will probably take years.
In the meantime, while I have to admit I was concerned about having my dd immunized for fear she might start showing autistic tendencies, too, I chose to have her immunized. My reasoning was that I'd rather raise another child with autism than risk her dying from any of the diseases the vaccines were protecting her against. Just my take on the issue.
Country Kids 02:51 PM 08-01-2012
Here's what I do not understand and never have. I was born way back before man even landed on the moon. While growing up in the 70's/80's I never remember going to school with anyone that had "learning difficulties". I went to 3 elementary schools in three different states and everyone was the same. I don't even remember there being special ed classes for kids. In junior high/high school the same thing. I don't remember there being special ed. I remember kids maybe being a little slow at learning but not anything serious. So if it was from vaccines, why wouldn't there have been kids with these issues in my schools?
Even as an adult I don't see many adults with these issues it seems. It seems to me to be since the 90's that there has been this epedimic of autisim,aspergers,add,adhd,and rage kids. Thats why it seems hard for me to say its from vaccines when I really don't remember seeing anything till the 90's.
Even as an adult I don't see many adults with these issues it seems. It seems to me to be since the 90's that there has been this epedimic of autisim,aspergers,add,adhd,and rage kids. Thats why it seems hard for me to say its from vaccines when I really don't remember seeing anything till the 90's.
Jenniferdawn 03:06 PM 08-01-2012
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
Here's what I do not understand and never have. I was born way back before man even landed on the moon. While growing up in the 70's/80's I never remember going to school with anyone that had "learning difficulties". I went to 3 elementary schools in three different states and everyone was the same. I don't even remember there being special ed classes for kids. In junior high/high school the same thing. I don't remember there being special ed. I remember kids maybe being a little slow at learning but not anything serious. So if it was from vaccines, why wouldn't there have been kids with these issues in my schools?
Even as an adult I don't see many adults with these issues it seems. It seems to me to be since the 90's that there has been this epedimic of autisim,aspergers,add,adhd,and rage kids. Thats why it seems hard for me to say its from vaccines when I really don't remember seeing anything till the 90's.
The amount of vaccines that children are required to have now verses when we were kids has TRIPLED! I think this is part of why we are seeing so much of an increase in various childhood issues, from allergies, autism, etc.Here's what I do not understand and never have. I was born way back before man even landed on the moon. While growing up in the 70's/80's I never remember going to school with anyone that had "learning difficulties". I went to 3 elementary schools in three different states and everyone was the same. I don't even remember there being special ed classes for kids. In junior high/high school the same thing. I don't remember there being special ed. I remember kids maybe being a little slow at learning but not anything serious. So if it was from vaccines, why wouldn't there have been kids with these issues in my schools?
Even as an adult I don't see many adults with these issues it seems. It seems to me to be since the 90's that there has been this epedimic of autisim,aspergers,add,adhd,and rage kids. Thats why it seems hard for me to say its from vaccines when I really don't remember seeing anything till the 90's.
http://www.drmomma.org/2011/01/cdc-m...e-1983-vs.html
This link shows you how different the requirements are now.
e.j. 04:08 PM 08-01-2012
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
Here's what I do not understand and never have. I was born way back before man even landed on the moon. While growing up in the 70's/80's I never remember going to school with anyone that had "learning difficulties". I went to 3 elementary schools in three different states and everyone was the same. I don't even remember there being special ed classes for kids. In junior high/high school the same thing. I don't remember there being special ed. I remember kids maybe being a little slow at learning but not anything serious. So if it was from vaccines, why wouldn't there have been kids with these issues in my schools?
I think some would say that the increase in the number of vaccines given to babies is part of the reason for the increase in learning difficulties/neurological conditions. Others would say there are far more environmental risk factors these days than there were years ago that are increasing the numbers of kids who have these issues now. Here's what I do not understand and never have. I was born way back before man even landed on the moon. While growing up in the 70's/80's I never remember going to school with anyone that had "learning difficulties". I went to 3 elementary schools in three different states and everyone was the same. I don't even remember there being special ed classes for kids. In junior high/high school the same thing. I don't remember there being special ed. I remember kids maybe being a little slow at learning but not anything serious. So if it was from vaccines, why wouldn't there have been kids with these issues in my schools?
Even so, I'd be willing to bet you went to school with kids who had issues. You just didn't know it. Partly because as a kid, you accepted most other kids at face value and didn't worry about how they were doing academically or socially.
Remember the kid who always got picked on or bullied at recess? That's probably the kid who had a disability of some sort. Remember the kid who always seemd to get yelled at for zoning out in class, always forgot his homework, had a really messy desk or backpack, was really shy and quiet, was clumsy, never attended a school dance, didn't wear the latest styles or wear make-up, couldn't play sports, bounced on his toes as he walked, talked too much, was the class clown or was the smartest kid in the class ....any one of those kids could have had an ld or neurological disorder like autism.
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
Even as an adult I don't see many adults with these issues it seems.
Sure you do; you just don't recognize them because not all disabilities are that obvious. Many of these conditions are considered to be "invisable disabilities" because there isn't a limp, a device like a hearing aid or a wheel chair to clearly indicate the person has a disability. What does someone with Asperger's look like? Unless you spent a lot of time with my son, you'd never guess he has it. Even as an adult I don't see many adults with these issues it seems.
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
It seems to me to be since the 90's that there has been this epedimic of autisim,aspergers,add,adhd,and rage kids. Thats why it seems hard for me to say its from vaccines when I really don't remember seeing anything till the 90's.
I don't know if more people are developing these disorders or if we're just getting better at recognizing them. I think maybe it's a little bit of both.It seems to me to be since the 90's that there has been this epedimic of autisim,aspergers,add,adhd,and rage kids. Thats why it seems hard for me to say its from vaccines when I really don't remember seeing anything till the 90's.
Meyou 04:47 PM 08-01-2012
I stopped vaccinating after my fully vaccinated family (including extended family members) got mumps and were quarantined by the province for 3 weeks. We were given conflicting information from public health, the children's hospital (who refused us service over the phone) and there was a third version of events of the epidemic in the media. Since three government agencies couldn't get their story straight I decided to stop injecting their chemicals into my children until they figured it out. They haven't yet from what I can tell.
Country Kids 04:51 PM 08-01-2012
Remember the kid who always got picked on or bullied at recess? That's probably the kid who had a disability of some sort. Remember the kid who always seemd to get yelled at for zoning out in class, always forgot his homework, had a really messy desk or backpack, was really shy and quiet, was clumsy, never attended a school dance, didn't wear the latest styles or wore make-up, couldn't play sports, talked too much, was the class clown ....any one of those kids could have had an ld or neurological disorder like autism.
Most of these describe me as a child/teenager and some as an adult. I was/am extremely shy but talk way to much and clown around to try and cover it up. I get teased to this day about being the manager for track and lettering in it because I could never make a team of any sports. I hated makeup in school-took up too much of my precious time. The latest styles-I'm really not into fashion to this day. I loved to daydream so that was always against me.
So if you use these to identify people with ld or neurological disorder I guess I would be one. Also, most of the kids that were like you describe that where that way was because the parents didn't have the money for sports, the latest fashion, makeup, and dances. I think its a pretty harsh way to say people like that have neurological disorders.
Most of these describe me as a child/teenager and some as an adult. I was/am extremely shy but talk way to much and clown around to try and cover it up. I get teased to this day about being the manager for track and lettering in it because I could never make a team of any sports. I hated makeup in school-took up too much of my precious time. The latest styles-I'm really not into fashion to this day. I loved to daydream so that was always against me.
So if you use these to identify people with ld or neurological disorder I guess I would be one. Also, most of the kids that were like you describe that where that way was because the parents didn't have the money for sports, the latest fashion, makeup, and dances. I think its a pretty harsh way to say people like that have neurological disorders.
e.j. 05:04 PM 08-01-2012
Originally Posted by Country Kids:
Most of these describe me as a child/teenager and some as an adult. I was/am extremely shy but talk way to much and clown around to try and cover it up. I get teased to this day about being the manager for track and lettering in it because I could never make a team of any sports. I hated makeup in school-took up too much of my precious time. The latest styles-I'm really not into fashion to this day. I loved to daydream so that was always against me.
So if you use these to identify people with ld or neurological disorder I guess I would be one.
Keep in mind that I did say "could have had an ld or neurological disorder". Of course not everyone who can identify with these things has an ld or disorder. I'm just saying that there were probably kids in your classes who did; it just wasn't obvious to you. Chances are, their parents and teachers never recognized the problem either. Most of these describe me as a child/teenager and some as an adult. I was/am extremely shy but talk way to much and clown around to try and cover it up. I get teased to this day about being the manager for track and lettering in it because I could never make a team of any sports. I hated makeup in school-took up too much of my precious time. The latest styles-I'm really not into fashion to this day. I loved to daydream so that was always against me.
So if you use these to identify people with ld or neurological disorder I guess I would be one.
On the other hand, if you feel as though you have all of these characteristics and if they affect your quality of life, you just might want to be evaluated.
Sprouts 01:02 AM 08-02-2012
I personally feel the rise in autism and all of these allergies like nuts and dairy are all related to what we put into our bodies, including vaccines and pesticides and the quality of our air and water.
If anyone has watched the the documentary on Bees on netflix, you see the crazy neurological effects of the systemic pesticides have on them! The bees literally went crazy flew away and died with in three generations. Italy banned the use of these pesticides years ago! But US still uses them today! So if this is the effect in bees imagine what effects it has on humans?
I haven't researched enough on immunizations, but I do know there are countless parent testimonies that show a correlation between many disorders and the use of them. I dont trust the government 100%, there sre too many greedy selfish people running the system, so jnless it affects them personally then u kmow where i am probably going from there......I was so scared to give my infant his 2 month shots because of all of these scary stories. I know overall they do help in preventing these crazy diseases that are harmful but I don't know how I would feel if my child was mentally disabled for the rest of his or her life? I know I would definitely not want my child to suffer some crazy debilitating diseases either that could lead to death....but which odds are higher?
If anyone has watched the the documentary on Bees on netflix, you see the crazy neurological effects of the systemic pesticides have on them! The bees literally went crazy flew away and died with in three generations. Italy banned the use of these pesticides years ago! But US still uses them today! So if this is the effect in bees imagine what effects it has on humans?
I haven't researched enough on immunizations, but I do know there are countless parent testimonies that show a correlation between many disorders and the use of them. I dont trust the government 100%, there sre too many greedy selfish people running the system, so jnless it affects them personally then u kmow where i am probably going from there......I was so scared to give my infant his 2 month shots because of all of these scary stories. I know overall they do help in preventing these crazy diseases that are harmful but I don't know how I would feel if my child was mentally disabled for the rest of his or her life? I know I would definitely not want my child to suffer some crazy debilitating diseases either that could lead to death....but which odds are higher?
EntropyControlSpecialist 05:33 AM 08-02-2012
We'll be delaying vaccinations if God blesses us with a biological child. I have Aspergers and my sibling is on the spectrum as well. My husband and I were just wondering if my Dad is an Aspie as well, in fact.
I just don't want to risk it.
I just don't want to risk it.
EntropyControlSpecialist 05:37 AM 08-02-2012
Originally Posted by e.j.:
I think some would say that the increase in the number of vaccines given to babies is part of the reason for the increase in learning difficulties/neurological conditions. Others would say there are far more environmental risk factors these days than there were years ago that are increasing the numbers of kids who have these issues now.
Even so, I'd be willing to bet you went to school with kids who had issues. You just didn't know it. Partly because as a kid, you accepted most other kids at face value and didn't worry about how they were doing academically or socially.
Remember the kid who always got picked on or bullied at recess? That's probably the kid who had a disability of some sort. Remember the kid who always seemd to get yelled at for zoning out in class, always forgot his homework, had a really messy desk or backpack, was really shy and quiet, was clumsy, never attended a school dance, didn't wear the latest styles or wear make-up, couldn't play sports, bounced on his toes as he walked, talked too much, was the class clown or was the smartest kid in the class ....any one of those kids could have had an ld or neurological disorder like autism.
Sure you do; you just don't recognize them because not all disabilities are that obvious. Many of these conditions are considered to be "invisable disabilities" because there isn't a limp, a device like a hearing aid or a wheel chair to clearly indicate the person has a disability. What does someone with Asperger's look like? Unless you spent a lot of time with my son, you'd never guess he has it.
I don't know if more people are developing these disorders or if we're just getting better at recognizing them. I think maybe it's a little bit of both.
I look completely "normal." In fact, I strive to be as normal as I possibly can. I work really hard at it. My friends would have just described me as "quirky and confident" prior to knowing that I had Aspergers.I think some would say that the increase in the number of vaccines given to babies is part of the reason for the increase in learning difficulties/neurological conditions. Others would say there are far more environmental risk factors these days than there were years ago that are increasing the numbers of kids who have these issues now.
Even so, I'd be willing to bet you went to school with kids who had issues. You just didn't know it. Partly because as a kid, you accepted most other kids at face value and didn't worry about how they were doing academically or socially.
Remember the kid who always got picked on or bullied at recess? That's probably the kid who had a disability of some sort. Remember the kid who always seemd to get yelled at for zoning out in class, always forgot his homework, had a really messy desk or backpack, was really shy and quiet, was clumsy, never attended a school dance, didn't wear the latest styles or wear make-up, couldn't play sports, bounced on his toes as he walked, talked too much, was the class clown or was the smartest kid in the class ....any one of those kids could have had an ld or neurological disorder like autism.
Sure you do; you just don't recognize them because not all disabilities are that obvious. Many of these conditions are considered to be "invisable disabilities" because there isn't a limp, a device like a hearing aid or a wheel chair to clearly indicate the person has a disability. What does someone with Asperger's look like? Unless you spent a lot of time with my son, you'd never guess he has it.
I don't know if more people are developing these disorders or if we're just getting better at recognizing them. I think maybe it's a little bit of both.
However, my husband and I have been working hard to know my limits and have been making sure that I'm not overstimulated so that I'm still completely functional the next day. So, that does make me look less normal when I have to excuse myself after 1-2 hours with friends.
itlw8 08:31 AM 08-02-2012
Originally Posted by Sprouts:
I know overall they do help in preventing these crazy diseases that are harmful but I don't know how I would feel if my child was mentally disabled for the rest of his or her life? I know I would definitely not want my child to suffer some crazy debilitating diseases either that could lead to death....but which odds are higher?
With many people traveling internationally the odds are higher to contract a disease than become disabled from any immunization.I know overall they do help in preventing these crazy diseases that are harmful but I don't know how I would feel if my child was mentally disabled for the rest of his or her life? I know I would definitely not want my child to suffer some crazy debilitating diseases either that could lead to death....but which odds are higher?
MN Day Mom 08:53 AM 08-02-2012
My son has autism. I 100% believe with zero doubt that his immunizations at 18 months which included 62.5 mgs of thimerosal and the MMR was his trigger. The change in him that immediately began to happen after these jabs was extreme and he became a totally different child.