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Unregistered 02:02 PM 06-03-2013
My daughter has been in a day care facility for past one year. She suffered from ear infections 3 times in last 4 months. Her Pediatrician has recommended hear to be taken out of day care for atleast 6 months so that she dosen't contract ear infection again if not she has to go through surgery. Since the decision to pull my daughter out of day care was out of healthy concern we submitted Doctors letter/note to day care facility requesting that we would like to take our daughter out of day care and to return our refund. Day care completely reject our requested and has informed us that 1 months notice has to be given no matter what. Is this even legal that even after submitting doctors letter day care dosen't return the deposit
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craftymissbeth 02:07 PM 06-03-2013
Yes, it's legal if that's what it says in the contract that you signed. What does your contract say about notice of termination and about refunds?
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Unregistered 02:15 PM 06-03-2013
yes contract says i have to give one month notice. But now that i have to give them one month notice, i am ready to send my daughter to the day care for one more month but if she contracts ear infection again will the day care take the responsibility for it.
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Evansmom 02:21 PM 06-03-2013
I don't think the daycare can take responsibility for your child contracting a virus. That can happen anywhere, even at the grocery store.

I feel for you that you have to go through this. But you signed a contract and by law you have to abide by what you signed. If the daycare needs a month notice, that's what you'll have to give. If you decide to send your child to daycare even against your doctors advice then you assume the risk of her getting sick.
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Blackcat31 02:37 PM 06-03-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
yes contract says i have to give one month notice. But now that i have to give them one month notice, i am ready to send my daughter to the day care for one more month but if she contracts ear infection again will the day care take the responsibility for it.
You signed a contract agreeing to give one months notice if you are wanting to leave.

Just because your doctor suggested it, has NOTHING to do with the daycare.

Thinking that the daycare should be responsible for your daughter contracting an ear infection is silly. That isn't something they can control or guarantee won't happen.

You agreed to give a month's notice when you signed the contract so now you either pay for that month or you forfeit the money.

What you choose to do though is up to you.
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Crystal 02:46 PM 06-03-2013
hahaha....just when you think you've heard em' all

Your child cannot get an ear infection from child care. Ear infections are not contagious. Your child is simply prone to ear infections. I recommend going forward with the surgery (tubes) which is outpatient and VERY simple and has practically no recovery time and will prevent future ear infections. Keep her IN daycare.....it's the best way for her to build up immunities so when she goes to kindergarten she will be less likely to get ill and will miss less school.
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Cradle2crayons 03:24 PM 06-03-2013
Originally Posted by Crystal:
hahaha....just when you think you've heard em' all

Your child cannot get an ear infection from child care. Ear infections are not contagious. Your child is simply prone to ear infections. I recommend going forward with the surgery (tubes) which is outpatient and VERY simple and has practically no recovery time and will prevent future ear infections. Keep her IN daycare.....it's the best way for her to build up immunities so when she goes to kindergarten she will be less likely to get ill and will miss less school.
AMEN and

My daughter went through three sets of tubes and eventually a tonsillectomy and had never been to daycare the first time.

If your doctor thinks daycare causes ear infections, I'd be finding another doctor. That is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And that's coming from someone who has been an RN since 1997 and a Childcare provider.

You don't CATCH ear infections from daycare.

I agree with crystal, if your child is prone to them, get the tubes. They are a life saver.

I'd fire that doctor in a heartbeat, apologize to the provider, and keep on taking my kid to daycare.

What happens when they get sick in school, are you going to hold them responsible??

Kids get sick at Walmart, and guess what...AT THE DOCTORS OFFICE. I'd rather my kids go to daycare than sit in a doctors office with all those contagious germs.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 03:40 PM 06-03-2013
Originally Posted by Crystal:
hahaha....just when you think you've heard em' all

Your child cannot get an ear infection from child care. Ear infections are not contagious. Your child is simply prone to ear infections. I recommend going forward with the surgery (tubes) which is outpatient and VERY simple and has practically no recovery time and will prevent future ear infections. Keep her IN daycare.....it's the best way for her to build up immunities so when she goes to kindergarten she will be less likely to get ill and will miss less school.
I was wondering if I had missed some earth shattering news about ear infections. Apparently not.
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Patches 04:04 PM 06-03-2013
Originally Posted by Crystal:
hahaha....just when you think you've heard em' all

Your child cannot get an ear infection from child care. Ear infections are not contagious. Your child is simply prone to ear infections. I recommend going forward with the surgery (tubes) which is outpatient and VERY simple and has practically no recovery time and will prevent future ear infections. Keep her IN daycare.....it's the best way for her to build up immunities so when she goes to kindergarten she will be less likely to get ill and will miss less school.
Exactly what I was thinking^

Get the tubes. My son has had three sets and his tonsils removed and they do help. I would also find a new doctor if they really said that she is catching ear infections from daycare
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nannyde 05:00 PM 06-03-2013
The Doctor may be willing to pay your month notice. Have you asked him?
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TheGoodLife 05:46 PM 06-03-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
The Doctor may be willing to pay your month notice. Have you asked him?
This made me laugh Daycare cannot cause ear infections, it is something that is an internal problem, not a contagious disease. If a doctor truly did tell you this, did you think to get a second opinion?
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blandino 09:47 PM 06-03-2013
The only connection I see is that the child may be getting frequent colds from daycare, and if they are left untreated they can drain into the ear canal and cause ear infections.

It isn't as if the doctor is going to check up on you to make sure you have left. Dr.'s orders are more like Dr.'s suggestion. Leave after the month's notice.
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Angelsj 04:57 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by blandino:
The only connection I see is that the child may be getting frequent colds from daycare, and if they are left untreated they can drain into the ear canal and cause ear infections.

It isn't as if the doctor is going to check up on you to make sure you have left. Dr.'s orders are more like Dr.'s suggestion. Leave after the month's notice.
And how might one go about treating a cold so it does not lead to ear infection in a child?

I was going to leave this alone, but seriously people. As providers, we know ear infections happen at a higher rate when kids are exposed to germs in daycare. The doctor likely suggested this to the parents, and told them they might have fewer instances if the child was removed. I don't disagree with the idea that this helps build a child's immunity. However, to laugh and degrade this person for having these concerns is a bit much.

And for the record, tubes are not the end of everything. There is cost, surgery, maintenance, and possible loss of the tubes. They also do not help all children and can cause scar tissue on the eardrums.

The real issue is how the parents need to handle the daycare center's policy and contract. I don't disagree that they signed it, and need to follow it. But the disrespect is a bit ridiculous.
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Blackcat31 06:22 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
And how might one go about treating a cold so it does not lead to ear infection in a child?

I was going to leave this alone, but seriously people. As providers, we know ear infections happen at a higher rate when kids are exposed to germs in daycare. The doctor likely suggested this to the parents, and told them they might have fewer instances if the child was removed. I don't disagree with the idea that this helps build a child's immunity. However, to laugh and degrade this person for having these concerns is a bit much.

And for the record, tubes are not the end of everything. There is cost, surgery, maintenance, and possible loss of the tubes. They also do not help all children and can cause scar tissue on the eardrums.

The real issue is how the parents need to handle the daycare center's policy and contract. I don't disagree that they signed it, and need to follow it. But the disrespect is a bit ridiculous.
I was thinking the same thing when I posted. I figured the doctor recommended removing the child from care to lessen the exposure to the viruses/illnesses that usually preclude ear infections.

I also agree that tubes help in some (maybe most) cases but I certainly wouldn't just run have them put in simply because it could be viewed as a "cure all". I would be very hesitant of ANY medical procedure that required my child to be anesthetized, especially a really young child.
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Leigh 07:16 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
And how might one go about treating a cold so it does not lead to ear infection in a child?

I was going to leave this alone, but seriously people. As providers, we know ear infections happen at a higher rate when kids are exposed to germs in daycare. The doctor likely suggested this to the parents, and told them they might have fewer instances if the child was removed. I don't disagree with the idea that this helps build a child's immunity. However, to laugh and degrade this person for having these concerns is a bit much.

And for the record, tubes are not the end of everything. There is cost, surgery, maintenance, and possible loss of the tubes. They also do not help all children and can cause scar tissue on the eardrums.

The real issue is how the parents need to handle the daycare center's policy and contract. I don't disagree that they signed it, and need to follow it. But the disrespect is a bit ridiculous.
One thing to add: MANY providers still think it is OK to lay a child down and prop a bottle (even though licensing tells them they can NOT do this). This can cause ear infections, as well. That said, if you signed a contract agreeing to 1 month's notice, then you should have either provided it, been prepared to lose it, or tried to negotiate a settlement before walking away. You owe the entire fee if you signed on for it.
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Cradle2crayons 07:23 AM 06-04-2013
First of all, the OP never said the child had frequent colds.

Second of all, not all kids have any sign of a cold before or during an ear infection.

My daughters was caused by allergies.
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msmegandc 07:33 AM 06-04-2013
Most doctors suggest kids be placed in a daycare setting as it helps them build immunities! My daughter, too, had 3 sets of ear tubes due to chronic ear infections. She now rarely gets sick because ahe was around kids in her infant/toddler/preschool ages. Apparently, that specific doctor hasn't a clue what he's talking about!
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Crystal 07:40 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
And how might one go about treating a cold so it does not lead to ear infection in a child?

I was going to leave this alone, but seriously people. As providers, we know ear infections happen at a higher rate when kids are exposed to germs in daycare. The doctor likely suggested this to the parents, and told them they might have fewer instances if the child was removed. I don't disagree with the idea that this helps build a child's immunity. However, to laugh and degrade this person for having these concerns is a bit much.

And for the record, tubes are not the end of everything. There is cost, surgery, maintenance, and possible loss of the tubes. They also do not help all children and can cause scar tissue on the eardrums.

The real issue is how the parents need to handle the daycare center's policy and contract. I don't disagree that they signed it, and need to follow it. But the disrespect is a bit ridiculous.
Where did anyone "degrade" the OP? Other than me saying "haha, just when you think you've heard it all" no one said anything out of line. My remark was in response to the parent CLEARLY looking for a way out of paying for not giving notice. Honestly....THAT is what she was after, and we all know it.

That being said, you're right, tubes aren't the end all, cure all, BUT if your child is having frequent, recurring infections that are EXTREMELY painful, then why not try to alleviate that. IME of having NUMEROUS children with tubes....the "viruses" that they caught that "caused" the ear infections STOPPED almost immediately after getting tubes. The ear/nose/throat is all connected and the tubes made it possible to prevent ALL of the symptoms that would normally lead up to an ear infection in the children I have worked with. And, personally, I'd rather deal with the "cost, maintenance and possible loss of tubes" than the cost, time and possible side effects and built up resistance to antibiotics that treating recurring infections entails.

I'm not sure about ear infections occurring at a higher rate in daycare as opposed to those who do not attend daycare. Do you have a link to some sort of study or something that proves that? IDK....my son was never in daycare and had many, many infections. The day he got tubes put an end to it and he suffered no more. Same with several other children I know.

And, yes, tubes fall out. This typically happens as the child gets older and the formation of the ear canal changes. It doesn't "usually" happen until then and "usually" by then, the child doesn't need them anymore.
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Blackcat31 07:58 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Crystal:
I'm not sure about ear infections occurring at a higher rate in daycare as opposed to those who do not attend daycare. Do you have a link to some sort of study or something that proves that? IDK....my son was never in daycare and had many, many infections. The day he got tubes put an end to it and he suffered no more. Same with several other children I know.
Interesting info here: http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hear...nfections.aspx

Ways to prevent ear infections
"Don’t allow sick children to spend time together. As much as possible, limit your child’s exposure to other children when your child or your child’s playmates are sick."

Also OP may be Hispanic or Native American and the article says that certain ethnic groups get ear infections at a higher rate than others.
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"Young children who attend large day care facilities suffer more respiratory and ear infections as toddlers than kids who spend their days at home, but develop fewer such illnesses during their grade-school years, a new study suggests." (http://www.livescience.com/9098-kids...nfections.html)
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Cradle2crayons 08:03 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Crystal:
Where did anyone "degrade" the OP? Other than me saying "haha, just when you think you've heard it all" no one said anything out of line. My remark was in response to the parent CLEARLY looking for a way out of paying for not giving notice. Honestly....THAT is what she was after, and we all know it.

That being said, you're right, tubes aren't the end all, cure all, BUT if your child is having frequent, recurring infections that are EXTREMELY painful, then why not try to alleviate that. IME of having NUMEROUS children with tubes....the "viruses" that they caught that "caused" the ear infections STOPPED almost immediately after getting tubes. The ear/nose/throat is all connected and the tubes made it possible to prevent ALL of the symptoms that would normally lead up to an ear infection in the children I have worked with. And, personally, I'd rather deal with the "cost, maintenance and possible loss of tubes" than the cost, time and possible side effects and built up resistance to antibiotics that treating recurring infections entails.

I'm not sure about ear infections occurring at a higher rate in daycare as opposed to those who do not attend daycare. Do you have a link to some sort of study or something that proves that? IDK....my son was never in daycare and had many, many infections. The day he got tubes put an end to it and he suffered no more. Same with several other children I know.

And, yes, tubes fall out. This typically happens as the child gets older and the formation of the ear canal changes. It doesn't "usually" happen until then and "usually" by then, the child doesn't need them anymore.
Same experience with me.
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Crystal 08:06 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Interesting info here: http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hear...nfections.aspx

Ways to prevent ear infections
"Don’t allow sick children to spend time together. As much as possible, limit your child’s exposure to other children when your child or your child’s playmates are sick."

Also OP may be Hispanic or Native American and the article says that certain ethnic groups get ear infections at a higher rate than others.
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"Young children who attend large day care facilities suffer more respiratory and ear infections as toddlers than kids who spend their days at home, but develop fewer such illnesses during their grade-school years, a new study suggests." (http://www.livescience.com/9098-kids...nfections.html)
Good info. Thank you. I agree that children are more likely to get sick when they are around sick kids.....that is just common sense. However not ALL of those children suffer ear infections. Some are just more prone to them than others and I believe that that can occur anywhere, not just in daycare. I think parents bring home viruses from work and being in public, exposing their children, just as easily as a child in daycare might expose them. Haha, I wonder if there is a study on that?! lol! Also note, as I stated in my OP.....her child will suffer less illness and miss less school in grade-school if she CONTINUES to attend daycare.
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Blackcat31 08:07 AM 06-04-2013
THE EAR TUBE CONTROVERSY

While ear tubes do have their place in treating recurrent ear infections, there does exist some controversy over their use.

Please note that ear tubes don't always prevent ear infections. Some children will still get as many infections even with the tubes in, but the fluid drains out right away.

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/par...ear-infections

The site also lists removing your child from group child care as a way to prevent or stop ear infections.
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youretooloud 08:08 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by nannyde:
The Doctor may be willing to pay your month notice. Have you asked him?
Exactly.

Your doctor is an idiot. He might fall for this.

I feel bad that the OP was made to think that taking her child out of daycare will prevent her child from "catching" ear infections. The colds she is catching from the other kids can obviously cause ear infections, but the doctor should not have made her feel like it was a reason for immediate daycare removal.

I hate when doctors use scare tactics on parents.

I had one who tried to terrorize me into getting my kids the chicken Pox vaccine, even though they both had already had the virus. THey even had the scars to prove it, but this guy was relentless about it. I was not happy.
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msmegandc 08:09 AM 06-04-2013
Most doctors suggest kids be placed in a daycare setting as it helps them build immunities! My daughter, too, had 3 sets of ear tubes due to chronic ear infections. She now rarely gets sick because ahe was around kids in her infant/toddler/preschool ages. Apparently, that specific doctor hasn't a clue what he's talking about!
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Blackcat31 08:09 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Crystal:
Good info. Thank you. I agree that children are more likely to get sick when they are around sick kids.....that is just common sense. However not ALL of those children suffer ear infections. Some are just more prone to them than others and I believe that that can occur anywhere, not just in daycare. I think parents bring home viruses from work and being in public, exposing their children, just as easily as a child in daycare might expose them. Haha, I wonder if there is a study on that?! lol! Also note, as I stated in my OP.....her child will suffer less illness and miss less school in grade-school if she CONTINUES to attend daycare.
oh ALL viruses come from daycare, don't ya know? NO other germs exist in the universe.

I wish ALL parents could see the benefit of early exposure.

It really is better in my opinion.
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Angelsj 09:07 AM 06-04-2013
Originally Posted by Crystal:
Where did anyone "degrade" the OP? Other than me saying "haha, just when you think you've heard it all" no one said anything out of line. My remark was in response to the parent CLEARLY looking for a way out of paying for not giving notice. Honestly....THAT is what she was after, and we all know it.
They were looking for that, yes, and I spoke to that as well. However, the entire tone of the posts was snarky and putting the parent down for even THINKING the child could catch ear infections. It was not just one person, but the tone of the thread. (not everyone, but many posts)

A simple explanation on what the ear infection is and how it is caused would have been more helpful. The doctor likely did tell the parent they would get fewer ear infections by not attending day care. Who used the word "catch" is questionable, and the OP obviously has some language issues with English.

As BlackCat posted, the simple fact is ear infections DO increase in child care settings. It is also true that they get germs from other places as well, but kids in child care get more ear infections than kids who are not.
Personally, I believe it is ok for them and builds their immunity. Without the tone of smugness in the posts, we might have gently made that point in a way that kept the child in care and helped the parent understand ALL their options.
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BABYLUVER21 03:18 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
yes contract says i have to give one month notice. But now that i have to give them one month notice, i am ready to send my daughter to the day care for one more month but if she contracts ear infection again will the day care take the responsibility for it.
Ear infections are not "caused' by the daycare. They are caused by bacteria and viruses, usually after a cold, sinus infection or cough or even swimming.

As a parent, you have an absolute right to take your kids out of daycare for any reasons but if you expect a refund, you shouldn't. The dcp wasn't breaching any contract with you simply because your kid is prone to infections.

Additionally, if it's REALLY that much of a concern, like the doctor thinks it really is your DCP's fault and you believe that nonsense, WHY on EARTH would you bring your child back just to finish out the month simply because you paid? If I felt my child wasn't safe somewhere, I'd remove them and I'd leave the money situation alone UNLESS I could confirm actual intentional abuse (where I'd still remove my child, but would ask for any payments I paid back).
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blandino 04:57 PM 06-06-2013
Originally Posted by Angelsj:
And how might one go about treating a cold so it does not lead to ear infection in a child?

I was going to leave this alone, but seriously people. As providers, we know ear infections happen at a higher rate when kids are exposed to germs in daycare. The doctor likely suggested this to the parents, and told them they might have fewer instances if the child was removed. I don't disagree with the idea that this helps build a child's immunity. However, to laugh and degrade this person for having these concerns is a bit much.

And for the record, tubes are not the end of everything. There is cost, surgery, maintenance, and possible loss of the tubes. They also do not help all children and can cause scar tissue on the eardrums.

The real issue is how the parents need to handle the daycare center's policy and contract. I don't disagree that they signed it, and need to follow it. But the disrespect is a bit ridiculous.
I should have specified, replace colds with "untreated snotty, infected, noses". All DCP have seen these go on and on for days and days with parents who do nothing about it.

Clearly, there is no cure or thing parents can do for colds, but snotty noses that last for weeks should be taken care of.
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tjones34 06:43 PM 06-06-2013
[quote=Blackcat31;359520]oh ALL viruses come from daycare, don't ya know? NO other germs exist in the universe.

I had a parent tell me that she was taking her child out of my care because My dog gave him asthma. Said her dr told her he was allergic to dogs and that more than likely he got asthma from the dog. .
Mind you he had been wit me for 2 years....crazy folks
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Childminder 06:54 PM 06-06-2013
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I had a parent tell me that she was taking her child out of my care because My dog gave him asthma. Said her dr told her he was allergic to dogs and that more than likely he got asthma from the dog. .
Mind you he had been wit me for 2 years....crazy folks
Actually a child can develop allergies at any age. My child was three when he started having asthma attacks and developed allergies to cats, dogs, mold, etc...so we had to give our pets away and my son could no longer eat cheese, pickles, dried fruit or anything else that was dried or fermented.
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