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6colleen 05:42 AM 07-22-2014
melilley 06:20 AM 07-22-2014
This is awesome! I wish they would do it here.
I honestly think that some people don't know that they have to be licensed/registered, but even so, they need to know that it is illegal in some states.
And 34 kids! That's outrageous. I don't know what parent would even consider taking their child there.
I honestly think that some people don't know that they have to be licensed/registered, but even so, they need to know that it is illegal in some states.
And 34 kids! That's outrageous. I don't know what parent would even consider taking their child there.
LysesKids 06:24 AM 07-22-2014
In TX, even taking 1-3 kids you still have to be listed; there are no inspections or oversite however like registered and licensed homes... it takes two minutes to look up regulations. Here in TN, I can take 4 and be considered license exempt
Second Home 06:31 AM 07-22-2014
There was a cl ad recently where the person claimed it was ok to be unlicensed since she was under the no more than 5 rule . There is no such rule in MD , I went and double checked after seeing the ad .
LysesKids 06:39 AM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by Second Home:
There was a cl ad recently where the person claimed it was ok to be unlicensed since she was under the no more than 5 rule . There is no such rule in MD , I went and double checked after seeing the ad .
I grew up in MD and my kids & grands still live there... there has never been a choice of doing unlicensed even for one kid since my own were in daycare lol.There was a cl ad recently where the person claimed it was ok to be unlicensed since she was under the no more than 5 rule . There is no such rule in MD , I went and double checked after seeing the ad .
melilley 06:42 AM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by Second Home:
There was a cl ad recently where the person claimed it was ok to be unlicensed since she was under the no more than 5 rule . There is no such rule in MD , I went and double checked after seeing the ad .
I think that some people really don't know that there are rules and regs, but this lady you are talking about obviously knows that there are rules/regs, or she wouldn't have mentioned it. It just baffles me how people openly admit things like that when it seems that they know there are rules by how they word their ads. Here, you have to be licensed/registered to take even one child. There are CL ads out where people say they can't take dhs payments because they aren't licensed. I think states should do more to make people aware of rules and regs, because I do think that some people really don't know and look at it as more of babysitting than anything.There was a cl ad recently where the person claimed it was ok to be unlicensed since she was under the no more than 5 rule . There is no such rule in MD , I went and double checked after seeing the ad .
KiddieCahoots 06:57 AM 07-22-2014
I always wondered why lay enforcement just didn't go knocking on the doors of the posted illegal cl childcare adds.
They don't make an arrest any easier than that!
They don't make an arrest any easier than that!
NightOwl 07:15 AM 07-22-2014
All My Youngenz??? Really?
daycare 07:23 AM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by Wednesday:
All My Youngenz??? Really?
Lol that was my first thought too. All My Youngenz??? Really?
WTH
I wish that would happen here. There re a lot of illegal operations which makes it hard for the rest of us.
Heidi 07:33 AM 07-22-2014
Lot's of illegal daycare here, too.
In WI, you can care for 3 child under age 7 without regulation, and there is no reg for over the age of 7. So, one could really make a bit of a living without being licensed. There is really no excuse!
In WI, you can care for 3 child under age 7 without regulation, and there is no reg for over the age of 7. So, one could really make a bit of a living without being licensed. There is really no excuse!
MotherNature 08:56 AM 07-22-2014
34 kids? $10 a day??? wow.
nannyde 09:34 AM 07-22-2014
They need to keep a database on the parents and if they catch their kid in an unlicensed daycare they charge them with neglect. One warning.
I hate the excuse that they want cheap daycare. Stop having kids you can't afford.
I hate the excuse that they want cheap daycare. Stop having kids you can't afford.
Second Home 10:19 AM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
I hate the excuse that they want cheap daycare. Stop having kids you can't afford.
Some of the illegal daycares I have seen are the same price as I am . So why would someone choose illegal over licensed ?I hate the excuse that they want cheap daycare. Stop having kids you can't afford.
Childminder 10:35 AM 07-22-2014
Good! I too wish they would do that here and I agree that they should ticket the parents. The parents that can't "afford" childcare have enough money to spend on toys, new cars and all the extras. They can afford regulated child care they just choose to spend the money in other ways. Besides, if they can't truly afford it they can get subsidy here.
I'm going to figure a way to get this article to our DHS and see if they react.
I'm going to figure a way to get this article to our DHS and see if they react.
Indoorvoice 10:42 AM 07-22-2014
I think there would be less unlicensed daycares if the state could make it a little easier to get licensed. At least in MI (for me) it was a long, drawn out process and the rules weren’t very clear to me so there was a lot of back and forth. I don't think it should take months and months to open up a home daycare. I had no idea how long it would take and had to go without a paycheck for a long time. I just think there needs to be more of an incentive to get the license or something. It is so easy to open an unlicensed one and not get caught here. Especially if the provider has experience with kids. I know of 2 unlicensed daycares here who charge more than me and are always full! Ugh.
melilley 11:39 AM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by Childminder:
Good! I too wish they would do that here and I agree that they should ticket the parents. The parents that can't "afford" childcare have enough money to spend on toys, new cars and all the extras. They can afford regulated child care they just choose to spend the money in other ways. Besides, if they can't truly afford it they can get subsidy here.
I'm going to figure a way to get this article to our DHS and see if they react.
I wonder if they will! It's probably a matter of time, money, and resources for them to be able to investigate the illegal daycare's here though. I would love to be on a committee to shut these people down, it would be interesting!Good! I too wish they would do that here and I agree that they should ticket the parents. The parents that can't "afford" childcare have enough money to spend on toys, new cars and all the extras. They can afford regulated child care they just choose to spend the money in other ways. Besides, if they can't truly afford it they can get subsidy here.
I'm going to figure a way to get this article to our DHS and see if they react.
melilley 11:41 AM 07-22-2014
Do you think that parents know that there's a difference between licensed or unlicensed and the legality of being licensed, or do you think they just want cheap care? It makes me wonder.
Heidi 11:53 AM 07-22-2014
Honestly, part of the problem in my county is the "less government" attitude taken the wrong way.
I get a lot of "well, if they take good care of the children..."
and "It should be a parent's decision...."
Basically, the "state" should mind it's own business.
*This is not a political statement, just the attitude I've gotten from relatives and family friends that think it's just fine that people do illegal care and that I'm overreacting.
The licensers (I have this conversation with EVERY licenser and supervisor I've met in the last 3 1/2 years) say "well, you just have to call them in, and we'll investigate".
Yep, sure you will, that's why there are at least 3 illegal providers in this county who have been doing it for TWENTY years! One finally gave up after 12 years of being "harassed" by people calling her in. The day I visited her program, she had 12 under 5 years of age, and I watched 6 more get off the school bus as I drove away. People feel sorry for her!
Another one lost a baby to SIDS (very sad). Baby was sleeping on his tummy (parents ok'd it), and died. She was investigated, reported to be devastated, and yet she's still open.
I know the former DA here personally. He says not ONE case has ever been turned over to his office.
Edited to add: Honestly, I'm not really a black-and-white person. If I knew someone had 4 kids on occasion, I wouldn't say a word. But, when people regularly have 10, 12 or 18 kiddos without a license, I get pissed. Even with a license, I can only have 8. Can you imagine if a fire broke out and this chick was alone with 12 kids, many of whom weren't even walking?
I get a lot of "well, if they take good care of the children..."
and "It should be a parent's decision...."
Basically, the "state" should mind it's own business.
*This is not a political statement, just the attitude I've gotten from relatives and family friends that think it's just fine that people do illegal care and that I'm overreacting.
The licensers (I have this conversation with EVERY licenser and supervisor I've met in the last 3 1/2 years) say "well, you just have to call them in, and we'll investigate".
Yep, sure you will, that's why there are at least 3 illegal providers in this county who have been doing it for TWENTY years! One finally gave up after 12 years of being "harassed" by people calling her in. The day I visited her program, she had 12 under 5 years of age, and I watched 6 more get off the school bus as I drove away. People feel sorry for her!
Another one lost a baby to SIDS (very sad). Baby was sleeping on his tummy (parents ok'd it), and died. She was investigated, reported to be devastated, and yet she's still open.
I know the former DA here personally. He says not ONE case has ever been turned over to his office.
Edited to add: Honestly, I'm not really a black-and-white person. If I knew someone had 4 kids on occasion, I wouldn't say a word. But, when people regularly have 10, 12 or 18 kiddos without a license, I get pissed. Even with a license, I can only have 8. Can you imagine if a fire broke out and this chick was alone with 12 kids, many of whom weren't even walking?
mountainside13 12:06 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
They need to keep a database on the parents and if they catch their kid in an unlicensed daycare they charge them with neglect. One warning.
I hate the excuse that they want cheap daycare. Stop having kids you can't afford.
I hope you mean illegal daycares.They need to keep a database on the parents and if they catch their kid in an unlicensed daycare they charge them with neglect. One warning.
I hate the excuse that they want cheap daycare. Stop having kids you can't afford.
EntropyControlSpecialist 12:14 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by melilley:
Do you think that parents know that there's a difference between licensed or unlicensed and the legality of being licensed, or do you think they just want cheap care? It makes me wonder.
I created a PDF guide (uploaded to a link) for navigating my state's website to better inform parents. I give EVERYONE who contacts me a copy of this guide and post it all over the Facebook groups so people KNOW to look this up and will KNOW if the place is legal and if it is high quality (it tells them how to look for issues that have come up with the state). Maybe some of y'all could do something similar.Do you think that parents know that there's a difference between licensed or unlicensed and the legality of being licensed, or do you think they just want cheap care? It makes me wonder.
melilley 12:19 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
I created a PDF guide (uploaded to a link) for navigating my state's website to better inform parents. I give EVERYONE who contacts me a copy of this guide and post it all over the Facebook groups so people KNOW to look this up and will KNOW if the place is legal and if it is high quality (it tells them how to look for issues that have come up with the state). Maybe some of y'all could do something similar.
Good idea. I created a PDF guide (uploaded to a link) for navigating my state's website to better inform parents. I give EVERYONE who contacts me a copy of this guide and post it all over the Facebook groups so people KNOW to look this up and will KNOW if the place is legal and if it is high quality (it tells them how to look for issues that have come up with the state). Maybe some of y'all could do something similar.
I always tell parents who call me for care to make sure they look for a licensed provider and give them the website for our state's CCR&R where they can look up all licensed providers and also see if they have received any citations and what they were for, in my area if I don't have an opening. It's a start, but I just wish the state would advertise or something. Even with this stars program, the only way a parent would know about it is either through someone they know who knows about it, through a commercial on our Public Broadcast Station, or if they go on the website.
TwinKristi 12:26 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by mountainside13:
I hope you mean illegal daycares.
I think at this point it's safe to say this discussion it about illegal unlicensed care. Every state is different and hard to say what is what. This is a place to learn that stuff, most people assume it's pretty much the same everywhere. But this discussion was about illegal care so anyone's comments wouldn't be referencing unlicensed legal care.I hope you mean illegal daycares.
MOM OF 4 12:27 PM 07-22-2014
Before I got licensed, I did daycare without one and at the time, did not know that there were rules. I started by watching 2 friends' kids, then they referred, and before you know it, I Had 6 kids! I had experience in child care prior, when I used to watch kids as a younger person. Then Zoning came to the door and told me that "someone" reported that I had cars in/out and observed kids being picked up and dropped off, adv me to get a license or I'd have to shut down. Funny, they didn't make me 'close' up or anything, just gave me 30 days to start the process (probably since I watched friends' kids, and their friends's kids and was not advertising as a business). After this, I did what they wanted me to do and got a license. It was a BIG pain in the rear, plus we moved, and had to redo everything, but I still did it.
Though I wasn't licensed, it did not mean I provided bad care, inadequate supervision, let any children get hurt, feed bad meals, etc. I provided just as excellent care then as I did after the licensing. I did not charge as much as surrounding actual daycares though, as I figured that would not be appropriate, plus, I never intended on it being a business, until I got full and started realizing I could stay home and make money. That's why I went ahead and got the license, and I DID get to stay home, and make money (in spite of issues that being a DCP brings up).
The only difference after I got licensed, is that I qualified for the food program, I was required to have my clients bring paperwork for health and enrollment, and have a sign in/out sheet. I had already safety-proofed, planned activities, had an emergency plan, etc..., so that wasn't something I had to do.
I just think that while SOME people really suck, get greedy, and do not know how to run a business or work with children, that doesn't apply to everyone. Should I have 'followed the rules'? Yep. Sure should have. However, I was young and it NEVER occurred to me that watching a few kids in my own home would require me to have a license.
Additionally, in my state, you can watch ONE family's children. Yet as a licensed daycare provider, I can only have a total of 8. But if Cousin Gertie had 12 children, I could take ALL of them + my 4 kids. And I've seen women here have A LOT of kiddos. (SOME actually biologically, but mostly blended families).
I am NOT suggesting that we should just do what we want, not following the rules. OBVIOUSLY regulations are in place for a reason, but like me, there COULD be some honest to goodness good providers who just never thought they need a license to watch a few kids. Those who are extreme/outrageous/dangerous (34 kids is NUTS) are the ones that ruin things for everyone and the reason why regulations exist.
Though I wasn't licensed, it did not mean I provided bad care, inadequate supervision, let any children get hurt, feed bad meals, etc. I provided just as excellent care then as I did after the licensing. I did not charge as much as surrounding actual daycares though, as I figured that would not be appropriate, plus, I never intended on it being a business, until I got full and started realizing I could stay home and make money. That's why I went ahead and got the license, and I DID get to stay home, and make money (in spite of issues that being a DCP brings up).
The only difference after I got licensed, is that I qualified for the food program, I was required to have my clients bring paperwork for health and enrollment, and have a sign in/out sheet. I had already safety-proofed, planned activities, had an emergency plan, etc..., so that wasn't something I had to do.
I just think that while SOME people really suck, get greedy, and do not know how to run a business or work with children, that doesn't apply to everyone. Should I have 'followed the rules'? Yep. Sure should have. However, I was young and it NEVER occurred to me that watching a few kids in my own home would require me to have a license.
Additionally, in my state, you can watch ONE family's children. Yet as a licensed daycare provider, I can only have a total of 8. But if Cousin Gertie had 12 children, I could take ALL of them + my 4 kids. And I've seen women here have A LOT of kiddos. (SOME actually biologically, but mostly blended families).
I am NOT suggesting that we should just do what we want, not following the rules. OBVIOUSLY regulations are in place for a reason, but like me, there COULD be some honest to goodness good providers who just never thought they need a license to watch a few kids. Those who are extreme/outrageous/dangerous (34 kids is NUTS) are the ones that ruin things for everyone and the reason why regulations exist.
SignMeUp 12:37 PM 07-22-2014
What I've seen a lot of recently are "co-ops" where there are a dozen or more kids watched by a revolving door of parents. Some rent duplexes or apartments and run it out of there.
I have no clue if parents pay at all, or just pay by putting in their hours.
I asked a woman who was walking a bunch of kids (I thought she was a new child care home), and she told me that's what they do, and that they don't follow any kind of licensing.
I have no clue if parents pay at all, or just pay by putting in their hours.
I asked a woman who was walking a bunch of kids (I thought she was a new child care home), and she told me that's what they do, and that they don't follow any kind of licensing.
AmyKidsCo 04:41 PM 07-22-2014
Originally Posted by Heidi:
Lot's of illegal daycare here, too.
In WI, you can care for 3 child under age 7 without regulation, and there is no reg for over the age of 7. So, one could really make a bit of a living without being licensed. There is really no excuse!
The crazy thing about WI rules is that you can care for 3 under 7 IN ADDITION to your own. So in theory you could have 5-6 under two (if you had your babies one right after another) even though licensed programs can only have 4 under 2. And there's no maximum number of children you can have total, so say you've got a blended family with 6 kids under 7, you can still care for 3 additional children. Or you could have 50 kids as long as they're all over 7... Crazy! Lot's of illegal daycare here, too.
In WI, you can care for 3 child under age 7 without regulation, and there is no reg for over the age of 7. So, one could really make a bit of a living without being licensed. There is really no excuse!