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daycarediva 03:19 PM 07-16-2014
Upset that I took a toy away from dcg.

Age 4.

She jammed a counting cookie inside the toy toaster. It got stuck (we did toaster surgery with two butter knives and it broke the cookie!), I removed the cookie and told her that if she did it again, she couldn't play with the toaster. She did it again, this time so bad it BROKE THE TOASTER.

SERIOUSLY DCM!!!!!

text: Dcg is "so very upset" that she couldn't play with it anymore. I don't think that was an appropriate response. Maybe a time out next time?

I responded:

The other kids are "so very upset" that they couldn't play with it either, since the toy is now broken. I did warn dcg the first time she did it. I find logical consequences work better than sitting out.

I'm getting snarky!

we shall see.
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nannyde 03:30 PM 07-16-2014
The good news is that she is upset. That means she GETS that she did something wrong.

That works far better than a time out. Whatever gets her to very upset is the way to go.
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Meeko 03:37 PM 07-16-2014
Good for you! Sounds like both girl AND mother need to learn life has consequences Let her know that if she breaks anything else, they will be paying for it to be replaced.
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nannyde 03:38 PM 07-16-2014
Diva did you see the thread I started in your name?
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MissAnn 03:43 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Upset that I took a toy away from dcg.

Age 4.

She jammed a counting cookie inside the toy toaster. It got stuck (we did toaster surgery with two butter knives and it broke the cookie!), I removed the cookie and told her that if she did it again, she couldn't play with the toaster. She did it again, this time so bad it BROKE THE TOASTER.

SERIOUSLY DCM!!!!!

text: Dcg is "so very upset" that she couldn't play with it anymore. I don't think that was an appropriate response. Maybe a time out next time?

I responded:

The other kids are "so very upset" that they couldn't play with it either, since the toy is now broken. I did warn dcg the first time she did it. I find logical consequences work better than sitting out.

I'm getting snarky!

we shall see.
Please keep us updated! I love for this type of storyline!!!!!
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daycarediva 03:55 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
Diva did you see the thread I started in your name?
No, where? I'm honored!

Mom's response: "She gets time-outs at home and that is what works best for us."

I responded: "Time outs aren't effective for her here. Since she is upset, I assume it's because she felt bad that NOBODY can play because the toy was broken. Hopefully she understands and plays gentler with toys now. That would get expensive for you."


Mom RARELY disciplines this child. A time out would have to be done after repeated warnings, bribing, and threats.
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TheGoodLife 03:59 PM 07-16-2014
It's called "natural consequences", DCM, and it is more meaningful than sitting out.

I say as my own 4 year old is sitting in a TO!
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hope 04:01 PM 07-16-2014
Has this mom debated your care before? This is one very pushy dcm. Please keep us updated. I only wish I could be as strong as you. Good for standing your ground!
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preschoolteacher 04:16 PM 07-16-2014
So controlling of Dcm. I get ticked reading her texts! She needs a teenage nanny to boss around...

as a mom, I'd rather have a provider use natural consequences over TO any day. And a 4 year old really can handle it.
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CraftyMom 04:30 PM 07-16-2014
I'd be irritated that she is telling you how to discipline in your own daycare!
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CraftyMom 04:31 PM 07-16-2014
I might have said "good, I'm glad she's upset. My technique is working. Now she knows doesn't she?"
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midaycare 05:02 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by CraftyMom:
I might have said "good, I'm glad she's upset. My technique is working. Now she knows doesn't she?"
Although OP is handling this very well!
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nannyde 05:14 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by CraftyMom:
I might have said "good, I'm glad she's upset. My technique is working. Now she knows doesn't she?"
My technique is working!
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Unregistered 05:17 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by Mama2Bella:
It's called "natural consequences", DCM, and it is more meaningful than sitting out.

I say as my own 4 year old is sitting in a TO!
A place for everything, I mean everyone. And everyone in his place
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daycarediva 05:45 PM 07-16-2014
She sent back a and said she would talk to dcd. So what if you talk to dcd?

I am sending her this quote from my discipline policy. I follow it to the letter. She signed agreeing to it.

Originally Posted by :
6. Children will be offered choices in a non-threatening and non-punitive way to assist them in meeting expectations or to reinforce limits.

7. I will clarify the inevitable or unavoidable outcome of the behavior to the child.

8. If the child is unable to resolve a problem or take responsibility for their actions, they will be re-directed to another activity, or in special circumstances, be limited in the use of a piece of equipment.

9. If all else fails, the child will be removed from the situation in a way that ensures that the 'time out' is a positive learning experience:
and then I am thinking about adding this: ?

Dcm, I followed my guidance policy precisely. I use time out only as a last resort and focus on natural/logical consequences. As we discussed previously, we both believe time outs are overused and I do what I can to prevent incidents from escalating to the point that a child is unable to control herself and has to be removed from the situation. Dcg was asked not to put anything but the toast into the toaster, and within a few minutes shoved a cookie into it hard enough to break the toaster. Even if I had been willing, the toaster was not in usable condition. ***** was given the opportunity to apologize for breaking it, was forgiven, and we moved on with clean up. Yes she was upset and I do think she learned to be more gentle from this incident.
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Angelsj 05:50 PM 07-16-2014
The only reply text she would have gotten from me is:

My house, my rules.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 06:06 PM 07-16-2014
There is not an eye roll big enough.

I have said before, "GOOD. I WANT dck to be upset. It means they understand they did something wrong."
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Meeko 06:12 PM 07-16-2014
She says she'll talk with DCD about it....I hope he tells her she's rude and should apologize to you!
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hope 06:15 PM 07-16-2014
Why is it so hard for these parents to say...ok miss daycare diva you were right and my reaction was uncalled for. I apologize.

But no, seems this dcm will keep the debate going. Now she I'll involve dcd???
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nannyde 06:29 PM 07-16-2014
Tell the mom to go buy you a new one and you will let dcg play with the broken one.
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nannyde 06:30 PM 07-16-2014
When she arrives in the morning she will ask right away if she gets to play with it.
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nannyde 06:33 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
She sent back a and said she would talk to dcd. So what if you talk to dcd?

I am sending her this quote from my discipline policy. I follow it to the letter. She signed agreeing to it.



and then I am thinking about adding this: ?

Dcm, I followed my guidance policy precisely. I use time out only as a last resort and focus on natural/logical consequences. As we discussed previously, we both believe time outs are overused and I do what I can to prevent incidents from escalating to the point that a child is unable to control herself and has to be removed from the situation. Dcg was asked not to put anything but the toast into the toaster, and within a few minutes shoved a cookie into it hard enough to break the toaster. Even if I had been willing, the toaster was not in usable condition. ***** was given the opportunity to apologize for breaking it, was forgiven, and we moved on with clean up. Yes she was upset and I do think she learned to be more gentle from this incident.
I would add

She must stop breaking my toys and follow directions. She was told to stop shoving the cookie in and she refused to follow my direction. Possibly I should have put her in time out in addition to taking the toy away. Next time I will do both.
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daycarediva 06:37 PM 07-16-2014
No response. I have the broken toaster by the front door for Mom to examine in the morning, as I'm SURE I'll be asked.

At snack, my 6yo son made a mess under the table despite asking him to scoot his chair in. After snack, my 6yo cleaned up under the table. He grumbled, he sulked, he got over it. At dinner, ds scooted his chair in and didn't make a mess. If ds had SAT IN TIME OUT while I CLEANED HIS MESS, what would HE have learned?

My first mistake was answering her back after hours. I should know better. Maybe I need a time out!
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daycarediva 06:39 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
I would add

She must stop breaking my toys and follow directions. She was told to stop shoving the cookie in and she refused to follow my direction. Possibly I should have put her in time out in addition to taking the toy away. Next time I will do both.
that's what I should ask if she preferred I do next time!
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CraftyMom 07:52 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by Meeko:
She says she'll talk with DCD about it....I hope he tells her she's rude and should apologize to you!
She'll talk to her about it....I had a dcm who said she would talk to dcb about sharing...ends up she told him she would buy him a toy that he was having trouble sharing at daycare (my toy, not his). So instead of talking about how to share with his friends he got one of his own that he doesn't have to share...learned nothing!

Maybe mom talking to her about it means she will buy her a toaster of her very own

eta: I read that wrong, thought she said she would talk to dcg about it
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e.j. 07:53 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
She sent back a and said she would talk to dcd.
Wow. So she's tattling on you to her husband? Are you supposed to be intimidated by this? I give you credit for handling it as well as you're handling it!
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preschoolteacher 08:02 PM 07-16-2014
She's going to want to SEE the toaster????

Rolling my eyes...
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cheerfuldom 08:12 PM 07-16-2014
"talk to dcd"? why?!!

my word, some moms have nothing better to do then agonize over every step their child makes. I love it when teachers and others correct my kids (assuming its called for!) because they need that social push to tell them to knock it off. That's pretty effective.
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AmyKidsCo 08:25 PM 07-16-2014
But YOU didn't impose any consequence on her - she broke the toy so it had to be taken out of the environment. Broken toys have to be thrown away. Period.
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debbiedoeszip 09:30 PM 07-16-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Upset that I took a toy away from dcg.

Age 4.

She jammed a counting cookie inside the toy toaster. It got stuck (we did toaster surgery with two butter knives and it broke the cookie!), I removed the cookie and told her that if she did it again, she couldn't play with the toaster. She did it again, this time so bad it BROKE THE TOASTER.

SERIOUSLY DCM!!!!!

text: Dcg is "so very upset" that she couldn't play with it anymore. I don't think that was an appropriate response. Maybe a time out next time?

I responded:

The other kids are "so very upset" that they couldn't play with it either, since the toy is now broken. I did warn dcg the first time she did it. I find logical consequences work better than sitting out.

I'm getting snarky!

we shall see.
Oooooh, she's THAT mom. When her precious snowflake is in college she'll still be swooping in via helicopter to save the day and make sure that the "little one" never has to face consequences.

I'd stay firm on your discipline policies and practices even if it means that they find another provider.
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Josiegirl 02:40 AM 07-17-2014
Wow, what an irritating dcm to have! I take toys away from kids all the time, for all kinds of reasons. Too bad dcg was upset.
Hopefully, dcd will set her straight.
WTH was she going to discuss with dcd anyways? Do you usually have problems like this with her? I would go nuts with a parent like that.
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Sugar Magnolia 03:09 AM 07-17-2014
"talk to her husband"= veiled threat to pull her child. Snowflake will play toaster, "or else".

RIDICULOUS!!

I too find toy time out to be more effective than child time out.
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nannyde 03:35 AM 07-17-2014
Here's your am text

Diva, we had to take the Pook to children's hospital last night. She had an anxiety attack because you took away the toaster. She should be released from the ward this morning IF you agree to apologize and give it back. We have a return to daycare Dr's note saying she has to have it back and not to do that again because it upsets her.

We are taking the day off to rest because we didn't get any sleep last night thanks to you but Pookie will be there a little early.

See you in a few.
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daycarediva 03:46 AM 07-17-2014
They're due in at 8. I'll update you all then.

She questions EVERY SINGLE time out. I stopped writing ANY issues on the take home sheets. She now questions dcg. UGH! I honestly think she read my discipline policy and saw 'time out as a last resort' and assumed=no consequences for her special snowflake.

I was already considering replacing the family. They have been here a few months and I am OVER being questioned about it.

I have great clients in 4 of my 6 spaces. I am having a heck of a time finding good clients for the last 2. It's like I term everyone (or push them to leave) in the last year after a golden family moved. It's VERY frustrating!
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DaisyMamma 03:56 AM 07-17-2014
Term.
This isn't going to stop. And I'm willing to bet that DCG is very difficult to take care of because she is so spoiled.
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Play Care 03:56 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
They're due in at 8. I'll update you all then.

She questions EVERY SINGLE time out. I stopped writing ANY issues on the take home sheets. She now questions dcg. UGH! I honestly think she read my discipline policy and saw 'time out as a last resort' and assumed=no consequences for her special snowflake.

I was already considering replacing the family. They have been here a few months and I am OVER being questioned about it.

I have great clients in 4 of my 6 spaces. I am having a heck of a time finding good clients for the last 2. It's like I term everyone (or push them to leave) in the last year after a golden family moved. It's VERY frustrating!
I would stop entertaining any questions about your policy. Anytime mom texts, the answer will be "DCM, refer to your signed contract RE: discipline policy. Thanks!" At least until you hand her her term notice
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hope 04:33 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by DaisyMamma:
Term.
This isn't going to stop. And I'm willing to bet that DCG is very difficult to take care of because she is so spoiled.
I also think you will have a difficult day with dcg today. I'm sure she over heard her parents discussing how horrible your treatment of her was and she will continue to test you to gain more attention from her parents.
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Naptime yet? 04:42 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Play Care:
I would stop entertaining any questions about your policy. Anytime mom texts, the answer will be "DCM, refer to your signed contract RE: discipline policy. Thanks!" At least until you hand her her term notice


Princess mommies drive me batty. Why do we, as providers, feel the need to explain our policies every step of the way? Human nature? I think you were very professional, Diva, and if DCM continues to talk about it I'd stop engaging her.

Because you know, Pookie Wookie is going to show up with the Deluxe Travel Kitchen set that only SHE can play with, thus forcing you to enforce your "no toys from home" policy...
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daycarediva 05:59 AM 07-17-2014
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
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Meyou 06:06 AM 07-17-2014
Thank goodness for DCD being sensible. I hope DCM can get it together from now on.
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deliberateliterate 06:07 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
At least one member of their family has some common sense, good for him. You handled everything exactly the way I hope I would.
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cheerfuldom 06:09 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
wow. DCD manned up! sweet!
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NightOwl 06:12 AM 07-17-2014
That's an awesome way to handle it. He made her give her own toaster to the daycare. Excellent lesson, dcd.
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lovemykidstoo 06:13 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
Seriously he asked to see the toaster because you weren't intelligent enough to know that it was broken? What a bunch of doo doo! So do you think dcg is going to expect that her toaster is going back home with her at the end of the day? These people have alot of nerve really. I think if she questions the toaster again, you should tell her that if her daughter is so upset that it's broken, then she shoudl buy a brand new one for your house.
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mamamanda 06:19 AM 07-17-2014
Sometimes I feel sorry for the dads. Lol These kind of moms drive me batty. Imagine what they put their husbands through. Haha So sorry you had to deal with that. Glad the dad stepped up.
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hope 06:38 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by mamamanda:
Sometimes I feel sorry for the dads. Lol These kind of moms drive me batty. Imagine what they put their husbands through. Haha So sorry you had to deal with that. Glad the dad stepped up.
My best days are when the dad's drop off and pick up. They are usually so much easier to deal with.
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Play Care 06:55 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by lovemykidstoo:
Seriously he asked to see the toaster because you weren't intelligent enough to know that it was broken? What a bunch of doo doo! So do you think dcg is going to expect that her toaster is going back home with her at the end of the day? These people have alot of nerve really. I think if she questions the toaster again, you should tell her that if her daughter is so upset that it's broken, then she shoudl buy a brand new one for your house.
That and questioning how it could have possibly happend, and having to be shown... Really? You don't take your providers word?

I maintain that like attracts like, so it's very rare to have dcp's that are not similar in temprement. It happens, but I swear it's rare.
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daycare 07:10 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
Here's your am text

Diva, we had to take the Pook to children's hospital last night. She had an anxiety attack because you took away the toaster. She should be released from the ward this morning IF you agree to apologize and give it back. We have a return to daycare Dr's note saying she has to have it back and not to do that again because it upsets her.

We are taking the day off to rest because we didn't get any sleep last night thanks to you but Pookie will be there a little early.

See you in a few.
you are a very funny woman. I enjoy your sarcasm.
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CraftyMom 07:15 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
you are a very funny woman. I enjoy your sarcasm.
How did I miss that comment from nannyde? That's hilarious!
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CraftyMom 07:17 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
That's a great end to it (hopefully that's the end)

Unless...did dcd TRADE toasters with you? Wouldn't that be something, so then dcg gets the toaster she wanted anyway kidding! I'm glad dad stepped up
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Blackcat31 07:20 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
NO WAY. I would have refused to show them the toaster just for the principle of it.

I ,the caregiver and owner of MY child care said the toaster was broken. I would not have shown anyone anything as "proof" of my words.

I have a DCM VERY similar and she tries to micro-manage my routine/policies too and it's too the point that I am exhausted and ready to term.

When ONE person becomes that much work, it's just not worth it anymore.

I sure hope you get a whole bunch of new clients fast so you can tell this DCM where to go.

I also don't think DCD was "manning up".... I think he was just doing what he could to keep the peace......men who are married to that type of woman/mother become VERY skilled at that. My DCD does the EXACT same thing... sheepish apology and everything. (sometimes the apology is feigned anger at mom's behavior but it's all the same song and dance so....)
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Sunchimes 07:21 AM 07-17-2014
DCD is going to be in so-o-o-o much trouble when she realizes that toaster is missing.
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nannyde 07:45 AM 07-17-2014
Put the toaster up and don't use it at all today. Hide it when they aren't looking and have her spend the rest of the day looking for it. Give it back to them tonight and tell them you don't need it.

It looks like they were doing something good but what they did was make sure she won. She gets a toaster to play with even though she broke one. She is going to want it back. This wasn't about replacing. A kid her age doesn't understand that. It is about you saying no toaster and her pitching a fit for one and them making sure she gets toaster after your no.

Put it up and hand it back and tell them no toys from home. The kid needs to be toaster free for months. She can get her toaster on at home.
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daycare 07:49 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
NO WAY. I would have refused to show them the toaster just for the principle of it.

I ,the caregiver and owner of MY child care said the toaster was broken. I would not have shown anyone anything as "proof" of my words.

I have a DCM VERY similar and she tries to micro-manage my routine/policies too and it's too the point that I am exhausted and ready to term.

When ONE person becomes that much work, it's just not worth it anymore.

I sure hope you get a whole bunch of new clients fast so you can tell this DCM where to go.

I also don't think DCD was "manning up".... I think he was just doing what he could to keep the peace......men who are married to that type of woman/mother become VERY skilled at that. My DCD does the EXACT same thing... sheepish apology and everything. (sometimes the apology is feigned anger at mom's behavior but it's all the same song and dance so....)
This was my thought too when I read that DCD requested to see the toaster.

What do you not belive me, a grown adult that cares for your child daily? You trust me with her life but not my words that she broke our class toy..............

I would be so angry I would have told them to take that toaster and _____________it.
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Blackcat31 07:58 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
Put the toaster up and don't use it at all today. Hide it when they aren't looking and have her spend the rest of the day looking for it. Give it back to them tonight and tell them you don't need it.

It looks like they were doing something good but what they did was make sure she won. She gets a toaster to play with even though she broke one. She is going to want it back. This wasn't about replacing. A kid her age doesn't understand that. It is about you saying no toaster and her pitching a fit for one and them making sure she gets toaster after your no.

Put it up and hand it back and tell them no toys from home. The kid needs to be toaster free for months. She can get her toaster on at home.
I agree with this but I would let ALL the other kids play with the toaster EXCEPT DCG.
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NightOwl 08:08 AM 07-17-2014
Me too BC. She needs some time without the toaster. But that doesn't mean everyone else does. I think it's a win. Just because he brought a replacement, doesn't mean you're required to let her play with that replacement
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Josiegirl 10:26 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I agree with this but I would let ALL the other kids play with the toaster EXCEPT DCG.
OMG now wouldn't THAT wreak havoc with dcm??!! LOL
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CraftyMom 10:33 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
I agree with this but I would let ALL the other kids play with the toaster EXCEPT DCG.
Good point, the whole idea was that she broke it after being told not to do something and didn't listen. The toaster was taken away. Now she's getting her way by dad bringing her own toaster.

FWIW I can't see ANY of my dck's nicely sharing a toy that they brought from home that they are now forced to GIVE to the daycare and let the others paly with it willingly. Just wouldn't go well. I would end up taking it away from everyone due to fighting over it I'm sure
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debbiedoeszip 10:44 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
I would do as Nannyde suggests by giving back the toaster. Tell the dad that you understand that he was trying to "make it right" but that what would really help to "make it right" is if he and mom support your discipline decisions in the future. Tell him that all the children, not just his own DD, are learning to listen to direction through the absence of the broken play toaster (broken because a child didn't listen), and that the lesson will go unlearned if you accept his replacement.
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rosieteddy 10:49 AM 07-17-2014
I would take the replacement toaster and put it with the kitchen things.Then I would close the kitchen area for a couple of days .Noone plays there.Maybe rotate some forgotten toys back out.Then when DCM complains I would say I thought the "new" toaster was a replacement not borrowed.The policy is no toys from home.
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lovemykidstoo 11:10 AM 07-17-2014
I still think that dcg is going to expect to take the toaster back home at the end of the day. No way is she going to leave it there. Still amazing to me how these people cater to their kids. I didn't even think of the angle that she won by dad letting her bring her toaster. She certainly did. She learned that even if she broke your toaster, it really didn't matter, she still got to play with one. I probably woudl have told dad he coudln't see the toaster because it was BROKEN and thrown away due to his kid
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MissAnn 11:13 AM 07-17-2014
Egads....pick up time is going to be adventurous today.
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deliberateliterate 11:54 AM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by CraftyMom:
Good point, the whole idea was that she broke it after being told not to do something and didn't listen. The toaster was taken away. Now she's getting her way by dad bringing her own toaster.

FWIW I can't see ANY of my dck's nicely sharing a toy that they brought from home that they are now forced to GIVE to the daycare and let the others paly with it willingly. Just wouldn't go well. I would end up taking it away from everyone due to fighting over it I'm sure
After giving it some thought, I change my response to DCD to the above. The kid just had her toy replaced and she sounds like the type to not share "her" toaster well. I'd put the toaster away for a long while...until it has long been forgotten. Then DCG doesn't have one at home or at your house. If questioned by mom, just tell her that you regularly rotate toys, and this one has been rotated until DCG doesn't see it as hers anymore.
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deliberateliterate 11:55 AM 07-17-2014
And I didn't even think of the fact that DCD asked to see the toy before he offered the replacement. I guess to see if it was broken enough to warrant replacing!?
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Unregistered 12:06 PM 07-17-2014
Did Dcd take the broken toaster with him? Maybe he is going to try and fix it at home and then Dcg can use that one.
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e.j. 12:12 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by debbiedoeszip:
I would do as Nannyde suggests by giving back the toaster. Tell the dad that you understand that he was trying to "make it right" but that what would really help to "make it right" is if he and mom support your discipline decisions in the future. Tell him that all the children, not just his own DD, are learning to listen to direction through the absence of the broken play toaster (broken because a child didn't listen), and that the lesson will go unlearned if you accept his replacement.
Love this!
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EntropyControlSpecialist 12:44 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
Put the toaster up and don't use it at all today. Hide it when they aren't looking and have her spend the rest of the day looking for it. Give it back to them tonight and tell them you don't need it.

It looks like they were doing something good but what they did was make sure she won. She gets a toaster to play with even though she broke one. She is going to want it back. This wasn't about replacing. A kid her age doesn't understand that. It is about you saying no toaster and her pitching a fit for one and them making sure she gets toaster after your no.

Put it up and hand it back and tell them no toys from home. The kid needs to be toaster free for months. She can get her toaster on at home.
See I wouldn't send it home. Their child broke a toy by doing something she was told not to. I would KEEP that toaster but put it on my storage shelf for use after that little girl leaves my care (either outgrows the program or more likely gets termed).
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SquirrellyMama 01:08 PM 07-17-2014
It would be really funny if dcg breaks the toaster from home also

Kelly
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lovemykidstoo 01:22 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by SquirrellyMama:
It would be really funny if dcg breaks the toaster from home also

Kelly
or better yet if another child did. (insert evil laugh here)
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NightOwl 01:23 PM 07-17-2014
I'm confused.... Did dcd bring the toaster as a replacement or as a borrowed item that he expects to take home? I just assumed he was replacing. Surely they didn't expect to bring it for dcg to play with there and then take it back home? That makes no sense.
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daycare 01:31 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Wednesday:
I'm confused.... Did dcd bring the toaster as a replacement or as a borrowed item that he expects to take home? I just assumed he was replacing. Surely they didn't expect to bring it for dcg to play with there and then take it back home? That makes no sense.
I don't think that the DCD clarified if it was only to borrow or to replace the item.

I agree with all of you that said to put it up away from her. Mom and dad are setting her up for failure. You can't break the rules everywhere else then have mommy and daddy fix it. Imagine this child in a few years? 10 years, 20 years.

The only thing she will be playing with is the zipper on her orange suit and the bars she sits behind.

She broke the rule, parents need to back this up ans STOP trying to fix her mistake. She made a bad choice, she and the parents have to accept it and suffer the consequences.
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Butter Biskets 01:33 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Dcd dropped off. He did ask to see the toaster because dcm asked how a cookie could have broken it. I showed him, and then he went to his car and came back with dcg's play toaster from home. Dcg gave us the replacement toy, dcd apologized and said DCM over reacted and dcg blew it out of proportion. I handed dcd a copy of my discipline policy and told him that any future questions, he should refer dcm to it. Dcd seemed embarrassed.


I was/am fully ready to term if it happens again.
Wow! Good for you! I am glad that dcd was okay with it and was understanding.
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SquirrellyMama 01:38 PM 07-17-2014
If dcd does ask for it back I would play dumb. "Oh, I thought it was a replacement for the one your daughter broke."

Kelly
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SquirrellyMama 01:40 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by lovemykidstoo:
or better yet if another child did. (insert evil laugh here)
Much better
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KiddieCahoots 03:13 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by DaisyMamma:
Term.
This isn't going to stop. And I'm willing to bet that DCG is very difficult to take care of because she is so spoiled.
.......
I had this dcg and family! Toaster, books, dolls,.....whatever!
Dcm isn't going to turn over a new leaf.
If she hasn't apologized yet, she will most likely harbor ill feelings because her little pookie didn't get her way.
Start searching for replacements.
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KiddieCahoots 03:18 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
I don't think that the DCD clarified if it was only to borrow or to replace the item.

I agree with all of you that said to put it up away from her. Mom and dad are setting her up for failure. You can't break the rules everywhere else then have mommy and daddy fix it. Imagine this child in a few years? 10 years, 20 years.

The only thing she will be playing with is the zipper on her orange suit and the bars she sits behind.

She broke the rule, parents need to back this up ans STOP trying to fix her mistake. She made a bad choice, she and the parents have to accept it and suffer the consequences.

.........
That made my day!
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NightOwl 03:45 PM 07-17-2014
Well? How did pick up go??
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Crazy8 04:15 PM 07-17-2014
I think everyone is being a little hard on dcd! I think he probably thought of it as a good consequence that dcg had to replace the item she broke with one of her own items. Its like with an older child who breaks something having to use their own money to buy a replacement. I really don't think DCD was trying to pacify dcg, but to make her "pay" for a new toaster by giving up her's at home. We see it from the aspect of now dcg has a replacement toy but I really don't think parents think the same way (dad at least, mom sounds like a piece of work).

I don't like that he asked to see the broken one but I bet that was mom talking. I probably would have just told him I threw it away because it was broken and unsafe for the children to use. And I would take the new toaster and put it out of toy rotation for a while but I do think dcd had good intentions with making the child replace the item she broke.
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NightOwl 04:20 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Crazy8:
I think everyone is being a little hard on dcd! I think he probably thought of it as a good consequence that dcg had to replace the item she broke with one of her own items. Its like with an older child who breaks something having to use their own money to buy a replacement. I really don't think DCD was trying to pacify dcg, but to make her "pay" for a new toaster by giving up her's at home. We see it from the aspect of now dcg has a replacement toy but I really don't think parents think the same way (dad at least, mom sounds like a piece of work).

I don't like that he asked to see the broken one but I bet that was mom talking. I probably would have just told him I threw it away because it was broken and unsafe for the children to use. And I would take the new toaster and put it out of toy rotation for a while but I do think dcd had good intentions with making the child replace the item she broke.
This is where I'm at. I thought dcd did a good thing by making her give up her own toaster. I didn't perceive it that he was bringing another toaster for dcg to play with.
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KiddieCahoots 04:22 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Crazy8:
I think everyone is being a little hard on dcd! I think he probably thought of it as a good consequence that dcg had to replace the item she broke with one of her own items. Its like with an older child who breaks something having to use their own money to buy a replacement. I really don't think DCD was trying to pacify dcg, but to make her "pay" for a new toaster by giving up her's at home. We see it from the aspect of now dcg has a replacement toy but I really don't think parents think the same way (dad at least, mom sounds like a piece of work).

I don't like that he asked to see the broken one but I bet that was mom talking. I probably would have just told him I threw it away because it was broken and unsafe for the children to use. And I would take the new toaster and put it out of toy rotation for a while but I do think dcd had good intentions with making the child replace the item she broke.
Maybe, but he's still married to his wife.
I'm sure mom won't allow pookie to go without a toaster, or anything else that someone challenges her pook on.
I'm betting mom went out and bought a new toaster for home use, and dad probably won't have much to say about it.
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Mom o Col 04:36 PM 07-17-2014
In what other profession could we have such a long discussion about a broken toy toaster? I love this thread and it was food for thought...no pun intended. And it made me laugh...especially when my idol, NannyDe said this:She can get her toaster on at home.
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racemom 04:47 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by Wednesday:
This is where I'm at. I thought dcd did a good thing by making her give up her own toaster. I didn't perceive it that he was bringing another toaster for dcg to play with.
I am with you guys. As a parent I would have probably done the same as dcd and make her give up her own. I would not have thought of it as so she had one to play with at daycare.
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CraftyMom 05:19 PM 07-17-2014
When I read that dad wanted to see the toaster and then replaced it, I figured he wanted to make sure he was giving you an even trade, not to verify that it was broken
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daycare 05:20 PM 07-17-2014
Now thinking about it, yes I think it was the right thing that DCD did, but it is the pricipal in which they did it. MAD because a toy was taken away, so they send one to school so DCG goes not have to go without./

I guess I would not really be too upset until I hear the response from DCP when they find out that DCG pookie butt or whatever you ladies have named her didn't get to play with the toaster she brought.

that would me like my son taking another kids pokemon card and ripping it up because he lost the game and me going out and buying him a new one so he could play the game again with his friend....Oh heck to the NOooooooooooooooooo. I would make my son do chores to pay for that new pokemon card, give it to his friend with a deep sincere apology maybe even help him make a card to give his friend to show that he is sorry and then my son can't play pokemon cards for awhile.

Maybe I am just mean
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nannyde 07:39 PM 07-17-2014
You are killing me Diva. UPDATE please!

I had a ding dong a few hours ago. I have no life so I can think of nothing but toasters and tiaras.

Any chance they went out and bought Pookster a new toaster last night? Was it her toaster or a new one?
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lynne 07:48 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
You are killing me Diva. UPDATE please!

I had a ding dong a few hours ago. I have no life so I can think of nothing but toasters and tiaras.

Any chance they went out and bought Pookster a new toaster last night? Was it her toaster or a new one?
OMG Nannyde, you slay me! I'm laughing so hard I'm crying!!
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daycare 08:04 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
You are killing me Diva. UPDATE please!

I had a ding dong a few hours ago. I have no life so I can think of nothing but toasters and tiaras.

Any chance they went out and bought Pookster a new toaster last night? Was it her toaster or a new one?
Nan- what is a ding dong food? I thought that was a bad name you call someone??
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nannyde 08:11 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
Nan- what is a ding dong food? I thought that was a bad name you call someone??
Ding dong means a thought I should have thunk before
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sugar buzz 08:13 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by daycare:
Now thinking about it, yes I think it was the right thing that DCD did, but it is the pricipal in which they did it. MAD because a toy was taken away, so they send one to school so DCG goes not have to go without./

I guess I would not really be too upset until I hear the response from DCP when they find out that DCG pookie butt or whatever you ladies have named her didn't get to play with the toaster she brought.

that would me like my son taking another kids pokemon card and ripping it up because he lost the game and me going out and buying him a new one so he could play the game again with his friend....Oh heck to the NOooooooooooooooooo. I would make my son do chores to pay for that new pokemon card, give it to his friend with a deep sincere apology maybe even help him make a card to give his friend to show that he is sorry and then my son can't play pokemon cards for awhile.

Maybe I am just mean
This was my take on Toastergate 2014, too. Way too many noises being made to try and distract you from the original offense--I thought my 12 year-old was the master at that game! I don't think that I have a life either because now, I really want a toy toaster and a ding-dong.
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daycare 08:15 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by nannyde:
Ding dong means a thought I should have thunk before
LOL I can't keep up......Just when I think that I got it, I don't.

I thought it was one of those cakes like a donuts or twinkie? (SP)
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lynne 08:15 PM 07-17-2014
ding dongs are a choco cake with choco frosting on it....Yummy! I think they have a vanilla filling too.....It's been a long time since I've had one.....But the term ding dongs make me think naughty thoughts....LOL!
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sugar buzz 08:19 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by lynne:
ding dongs are a choco cake with choco frosting on it....Yummy! I think they have a vanilla filling too.....It's been a long time since I've had one.....But the term ding dongs make me think naughty thoughts....LOL!
Just to be clear, I want the chocolate cake version. ROFL!!!!!!
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lynne 08:22 PM 07-17-2014
LOL, Sugar! I don't! My boy friend will be happy tonight! hee hee!
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daycare 08:22 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by sugar buzz:
This was my take on Toastergate 2014, too. Way too many noises being made to try and distract you from the original offense--I thought my 12 year-old was the master at that game! I don't think that I have a life either because now, I really want a toy toaster and a ding-dong.
you ladies all took a funny pill. too funny toastergate 2014...

how about a toasted ding dong?
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lynne 08:23 PM 07-17-2014
LOL, Sugar! I don't! My boy friend will be happy tonight! hee hee! Wasn't there a **** star that was called ding dong?
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daycare 08:24 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by lynne:
ding dongs are a choco cake with choco frosting on it....Yummy! I think they have a vanilla filling too.....It's been a long time since I've had one.....But the term ding dongs make me think naughty thoughts....LOL!
lmao

when I tried to google ding dong this came up

hostess brand cake
or
The penal area of a man's genitalia..................so imagine how confused i was when nan said it was a thought...............
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lynne 08:27 PM 07-17-2014
Is that when the ding dong is sore? to much friction?
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NightOwl 08:28 PM 07-17-2014
Omg.... I can't breathe.... Toastergate....
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daycare 08:28 PM 07-17-2014
Originally Posted by lynne:
Is that when the ding dong is sore? to much friction?
yes....friction from the toaster
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NightOwl 08:29 PM 07-17-2014
To the original toaster poster, we need an update!
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