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Wasiris1 05:40 PM 03-13-2012
Hello ladies... I am new to this forum and just wanted to introduce myself to you all and ask a couple of questions...

Well first of al I am 26 years old, my husband and I got married when we were 18, our oldest son is going on 9 this month, our daughter is 5 and our youngest son is 9 weeks old I am currently on my maternity leave from work. I took off until baby turns 16 weeks. I am a bank operations supervisor (not in love with my job but enjoy it) I also go to school, my major is child and adolescent spychology.

For the past 4-6 weeks I have been endlessly interviewing with different daycare homes and centers, I have met great providers with excellent recommendations but nothing/ no one seems to convince me to leave my baby boy 8.5 hours a day for 5 days a week. In the past my other children only stood with my mother Or mother in law, they did not go into a preschool until age 3..... Well back to this topic.... My husband asked me about two weeks ago if I would consider staying home with our son for a year ( we are 100% bf)... I said I would think about it, but deep inside I was thrilled being that due to financial difficulties and being young parents I was not able to stay home with our other children, I had to finish H.S with or first and work & go to college with our second... Well about two weeks ago I decided something that I had contemplated over and over in my pregnancy... I WILL OPEN A DAYCARE

I did a total of about 5 weeks or so volunteer work in my daughters preschool and I was so happy with the little ones...

Now I am not looking to start in my home, I want to either rent an apartment or lease a location... In CT a group home daycare can have uP to 12 children as long as you stick to the ratio, I will have an FT assistant from the start and if needed later on I will also hire a PT assistant. My husband who is a contractor will be doing all the wear and tear work and also building some shelves and such... I am looking forward to this, last week I started taking classes for my certificate in child education, I should have that cert by this time next year and should have my bachelor degree in child and adolocent psychology by the end of next year....

I am very excited to sart this new journey

Q: How many of you work outside of your home? Started renting a place or leasing a center? I want to keep both daycare and my home separate ..

I am very excited, please give me any advise, I am aware this is going to be very hard, but I am looking forward to it :-)
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daycare 06:09 PM 03-13-2012
welcome to the form...I dont have any help with your question, but just wanted to say welcome and hello.
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Wasiris1 06:26 PM 03-13-2012
Thank you so much :-) I am so excited to get to know all of you :-)

Originally Posted by daycare:
welcome to the form...I dont have any help with your question, but just wanted to say welcome and hello.

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MrsB 06:41 PM 03-13-2012
Welcome! I am not new to daycare but kind of a newbie to this forum.

I do in home care, so I can't be of much help to you there.

Off the top of my head a few recomendations...

BlackCat has a separate daycare from her home and she is always an excellent resource regarding anything daycare.

Also I highly recommend NannyDe's blogs regarding hiring assitants. For that matter, all of NannyDe's blogs or advice is usually spot on.
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Wasiris1 06:46 PM 03-13-2012
Originally Posted by MrsB:
Welcome! I am not new to daycare but kind of a newbie to this forum.

I do in home care, so I can't be of much help to you there.

Off the top of my head a few recomendations...

BlackCat has a separate daycare from her home and she is always an excellent resource regarding anything daycare.

Also I highly recommend NannyDe's blogs regarding hiring assitants. For that matter, all of NannyDe's blogs or advice is usually spot on.
Thank you so much for the advise, I will be on the look out for them :-) And thanks for welcoming me in to the forum :-)
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Michael 07:29 PM 03-13-2012
Welcome to the forum!
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cheerfuldom 08:55 PM 03-13-2012
Welcome to the forum. This is a great place to start for ideas and advice. I think your plans are very ambitious and just from my point of view, I would recommend getting some hands on experience if you have the luxury to do that first. Even getting a part time job at a daycare or keeping just one or two kids in your own home for a few months before you begin your own daycare could provide a lot of insight. Like I said, I think jumping into owning a business outside the home, hiring assistants and balancing a newborn with a new business is a lot at once. I realize that you are doing this to stay with your own child but it is important to consider that your baby WILL be in daycare with this plan. You will be there with him but it will not be even close to the same as being a SAHM. That is something that will be important to come to terms with because it sounds like you will need a good number of kids to keep the property maintained, assistants paid, etc. Anything can be done with enough hard work but I usually recommend starting small if possible.
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Wasiris1 05:48 AM 03-14-2012
Originally Posted by cheerfuldom:
Welcome to the forum. This is a great place to start for ideas and advice. I think your plans are very ambitious and just from my point of view, I would recommend getting some hands on experience if you have the luxury to do that first. Even getting a part time job at a daycare or keeping just one or two kids in your own home for a few months before you begin your own daycare could provide a lot of insight. Like I said, I think jumping into owning a business outside the home, hiring assistants and balancing a newborn with a new business is a lot at once. I realize that you are doing this to stay with your own child but it is important to consider that your baby WILL be in daycare with this plan. You will be there with him but it will not be even close to the same as being a SAHM. That is something that will be important to come to terms with because it sounds like you will need a good number of kids to keep the property maintained, assistants paid, etc. Anything can be done with enough hard work but I usually recommend starting small if possible.

My husband feels the same way, he does not want me to go into this business until our son is at least one, considering that he is a Breastfed baby. I am very excited about this, I guess I may have to start later on. I have my aunt who offered we buy an established center, but it's not something I am ready to do. I would like to get things settled before I take any children, as in have a place and have the furniture, books, CDs, posters curriculum all learning and daycare materials before opening my doors. At some point we will feel the difference in my income not coming in.

I guess your right about me taking one or two little ones in for the experience but it would be more of a baby sitting job, I don't think my husband and oldest son would want our place turned into a daycare (I know they won't) we don't really have the space which is why I would need to rent out. I could also look into a PT position at a center mean while I get situated .... Maybe for the summer time .. That would keep me busy while the other two are in camp ...
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cheerfuldom 06:09 AM 03-14-2012
I breast feed my babies too and it is very hard with the small group that I have (7 was the most I ever had) and I do have an assistant as well. None of my kids were exclusively breast fed because it was just too much for me to sit down so much to nurse, forget about on demand feeding! They all had formula too. I'm not saying that it cant be done but if breast feeding is very important priority to you, it may be a conflict of interest because it is very challenging to stop what you are doing and focus on just one kid when there are a dozen more to watch.
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Blackcat31 06:23 AM 03-14-2012
Welcome to the forum!!

As Mrs B mentioned, I do run my child care out of a separate home in which I do not live. I have been doing child care for 20 years (October).

If I can be of any help, please don't hesitate to ask!
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Wasiris1 06:31 AM 03-14-2012
Originally Posted by cheerfuldom:
I breast feed my babies too and it is very hard with the small group that I have (7 was the most I ever had) and I do have an assistant as well. None of my kids were exclusively breast fed because it was just too much for me to sit down so much to nurse, forget about on demand feeding! They all had formula too. I'm not saying that it cant be done but if breast feeding is very important priority to you, it may be a conflict of interest because it is very challenging to stop what you are doing and focus on just one kid when there are a dozen more to watch.
Yes, breastfeeding is essential for me, its the reason why I took such long maternity leave from my job. I didnt get to Breastfeed my other two because I was away from morning until 4pm due to school. I am glad I found this forum, even if I decide to change my plans around to benefit my family I do hope to learn a lot from this forum. I figured that it may take a while to fill all spots and having an assistant will give me the chance to enjoy my son who should be about 8 months by then and also enjoy a small group. That's the main reason I wanted to hire an assistant from day one... I guess this is a reality check...

How hard is it to start a daycare mod school year? Isn't it harder to fill spots? I love across the street from my children school and was hoping to rent an apartment two houses down from my own, it will become available July 1st...

Howuch should I budget to get started? I was thinking about having the 2-3 sleep in cots and the little ones in cribs, or how do you do it? I was thinking on having 4 small cribs and the rest cots in the bedroom.... What are best cots or mats? My daughter did sleep in a cot at her preschool but I found it hard, but the kids loved it...
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cheerfuldom 06:34 AM 03-14-2012
lets back up....are you familiar with your state regulations for childcare? That may greatly affect the size of the property you have to get, the hours your assistant has to work, the number of kids and ages you can have....I'd start with that

Also, figure out the deal with renting and childcare...is this legal in your state? do you have to tell your landlord first? can they evict you if they find out after the fact?
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Wasiris1 06:34 AM 03-14-2012
Just to let you know, I am responding from my cell, and this darn auto correct keeps on changing my words...
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hpresley86 06:43 AM 03-14-2012
Just a tip, before you go through all the trouble and money of finding a separate place and renting it, you might want to check your state regulations. We have a detached car garage that we were going to close in and build on to, for my daycare. After we planned everything out, and started putting money into it, I found out my state doesn't license if it is not attached to the house that you reside in. You might want to do the research before putting to much thought into it just to be sure you can do it.
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MrsB 06:55 AM 03-14-2012
Check your county, local, HOA, regs too. Not just state!

A provider collegue who was getting licensed here in the same county as me lived in a town right next to mine. She went through all the licensing requirements training, had her inspection, just was waiting on the firemarshal inspection. Fire marshal said okay where is your local use permit? She didnt know she needed one, but apparently she needed one from her little town (about 3000 people) . NO ONE ever said anything to her about it! No problems she goes down to the local city governnment to get a use permit. $10,000 dollars and it has to be renewed every 5 years!
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DCBlessings27 07:06 AM 03-14-2012
Originally Posted by MrsB:
Check your county, local, HOA, regs too. Not just state!

A provider collegue who was getting licensed here in the same county as me lived in a town right next to mine. She went through all the licensing requirements training, had her inspection, just was waiting on the firemarshal inspection. Fire marshal said okay where is your local use permit? She didnt know she needed one, but apparently she needed one from her little town (about 3000 people) . NO ONE ever said anything to her about it! No problems she goes down to the local city governnment to get a use permit. $10,000 dollars and it has to be renewed every 5 years!
$10,000! No way would I pay that.
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annafaye1985 07:31 AM 03-14-2012
I am renting a building to start my Childcare... I live in Minnesota though and we can do this without paying more. I am a little nervous just because it is an added exspense but it is 600.00 per month and includes all utilties and they do the snowplowing and yard mowing. The place is 2 blocks from the local ECFE & 2 blocks from the big park & beach in my town. The library & local community center would be withing walking & the preschool is 2 blocks away as well.

I have done childcare before out of my home and loved it when my kids were first born and I know after subbing for the school and headstart this is what I want atleast for the year lease..lol

I'm also spending a good 3500.00 off the bat to buy things I need so that everything is setup for when I start, like you want to do.

I think the hardest thing is the employee issue... I would love to hire someone but I don't want to have to pay the taxes and work compensation unless I have good numbers & a waiting list...
Good Luck!
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Blackcat31 07:37 AM 03-14-2012
Originally Posted by annafaye1985:
I am renting a building to start my Childcare... I live in Minnesota though and we can do this without paying more. I am a little nervous just because it is an added exspense but it is 600.00 per month and includes all utilties and they do the snowplowing and yard mowing. The place is 2 blocks from the local ECFE & 2 blocks from the big park & beach in my town. The library & local community center would be withing walking & the preschool is 2 blocks away as well.

I have done childcare before out of my home and loved it when my kids were first born and I know after subbing for the school and headstart this is what I want atleast for the year lease..lol

I'm also spending a good 3500.00 off the bat to buy things I need so that everything is setup for when I start, like you want to do.

I think the hardest thing is the employee issue... I would love to hire someone but I don't want to have to pay the taxes and work compensation unless I have good numbers & a waiting list...
Good Luck!
In our state having an assistant or additional adult would only net you two additional kids so IMHO, it isn't worth hiring someone when the wage you would have to pay them would basically equal the income you bring in.
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MamaBear 07:48 AM 03-14-2012
Could you start a daycare in your own home and then see if you REALLY like it before opening a center based daycare outside your home? Sounds like a big leap to jump into with both feet. Also it takes awhile to get enough children to really make good money when your first starting out... sometimes a year or more to get full capacity. I would just be worried that you wouldn't make enough money to pay the rent & all other bills attached to get a separate location. If you started a daycare at home and found that you really love it and could fill capacity and make good money, then consider renting a space somewhere? ALso I was breastfeeding my youngest when I first started out too. It can work, but it was really hard too. I had to take a lot of breaks from the kids to feed him. You don't want the other kids to "see" you feeding him either, so that makes it difficult. If you have an assistant, thats great to help, but you will need to get MORE kids to afford to pay the bills and the assistant. Just my thoughts...
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Wasiris1 09:56 AM 03-14-2012
In my state people pay an average of 225-325 per infant (depends on location) and in between 180-225 per toddler.... The place I was considering would be a $1000.00 rent, with utilities about $1300 a month.... I live in a good neighborhood with a school across the street and a preschool down the block, the preschool is where my daughter attended they are GREAT, love their program but are very costly.. They only take 3-4 yr old and they charge a hourly rate of $6.75 for FT and $7.20 PT, while my daughter attended I was paying over $330 a week which I think it's a lot for a 3-4 year old but I never complained and kept her for the 2 years, it was convenient for me and my husband and if we could not make it my mom could pick her and my son up in less than 10 minutes. I spoke to Ms. Barb (director of preschool ) and she mention that she won't mind to refer me to anyone needing my service (I love her) also I was thinking about talking my sons principal who I know would not mind as well. I figured it may take me 10-12 month to fill all spaces. I am trying to reach a licensing specialist to find out what is needed to open up a group daycare, what kind of background they require. In order to obtain my certificate or my c.d.a I have to complete a semester in a childcare environment. I would have to find a program that I would like to work for part time. Or maybe care for 2 kids in my house (no more) I don't want my house to be turned into a daycare facility. Uugghh now I feel like I have no where to start I don't want to return to the bank after the year, and I always have wanted to work with children (that's why I majored in child spychology) .... I would keep you posted with what I find out from the licensing specialist
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MamaBear 01:29 PM 03-14-2012
My advice would be to really list out how much everything would cost to run it from another building... Rent, Utilities, Paying an Assistant, etc and then how much you realistically could make according to how many kids you will be allowed to care for... and then how long it will take to get your maximum capacity. It would definitely be a lot cheaper to do it from home and then you can really see if you like it or not. I did it for the past 6 years in my home... I put ALL my daycare stuff away on weekends and try to not let my home feel like a daycare when I'm closed... It helped I'm closing down now though and very excited about selling all of my things.

What state are you in? Do you have to take courses or have a certification to get a home daycare license there? Do you have to take Child Psychology courses? In California (where I am), you don't have to do all that... but I guess it will look better on your advertising if you have a degree in some sort of child care studies I guess.
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Blackcat31 01:32 PM 03-14-2012
Originally Posted by Wasiris1:
In my state people pay an average of 225-325 per infant (depends on location) and in between 180-225 per toddler.... The place I was considering would be a $1000.00 rent, with utilities about $1300 a month.... I live in a good neighborhood with a school across the street and a preschool down the block, the preschool is where my daughter attended they are GREAT, love their program but are very costly.. They only take 3-4 yr old and they charge a hourly rate of $6.75 for FT and $7.20 PT, while my daughter attended I was paying over $330 a week which I think it's a lot for a 3-4 year old but I never complained and kept her for the 2 years, it was convenient for me and my husband and if we could not make it my mom could pick her and my son up in less than 10 minutes. I spoke to Ms. Barb (director of preschool ) and she mention that she won't mind to refer me to anyone needing my service (I love her) also I was thinking about talking my sons principal who I know would not mind as well. I figured it may take me 10-12 month to fill all spaces. I am trying to reach a licensing specialist to find out what is needed to open up a group daycare, what kind of background they require. In order to obtain my certificate or my c.d.a I have to complete a semester in a childcare environment. I would have to find a program that I would like to work for part time. Or maybe care for 2 kids in my house (no more) I don't want my house to be turned into a daycare facility. Uugghh now I feel like I have no where to start I don't want to return to the bank after the year, and I always have wanted to work with children (that's why I majored in child spychology) .... I would keep you posted with what I find out from the licensing specialist
Here is the licensing info for Connecticut

https://www.daycare.com/connecticut/
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Wasiris1 04:04 PM 03-14-2012
Well I finally got the information that I needed

I called the CT licensing department and they said being that I want to provide childcare outside of my home the process is somewhat like for a center, meaning a head teacher, a director, staff, zoning and fire hazard inspection.... please correct me if I am wrong... Funny thing is that last week when I called the childcare info line they did not tell me any of this.

will call tomorrow again just to make sure the information I received was accurate. I am looking to start a group home daycare not a center.
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Wasiris1 04:07 PM 03-14-2012
Q: If I start as an Infant care provider in my house would I have to change my house around to be structured as a daycare?

And also If I am able to start the group daycare, is backyard space is required? or is it ok if we walk to the park that's two blocks away? I have not asked if I can turn their backyard into a playground (lol)
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MrsB 04:20 PM 03-14-2012
In some states Family childcare means the home has to be your primary residence. Not sure about your state?
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DCBlessings27 05:11 PM 03-14-2012
In my state, you have to reside in the home you are wanting to do care. If I tried to rent an apartment/house, I would have to reside there enough to meet residency requirements. KS also just made it so no providers can have a daycare without having an outside play area as of March 1st. You would have to ask your state if walking to a playground would work there.
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3myjob 11:51 AM 03-22-2012
Originally Posted by katieica:
In my state, you have to reside in the home you are wanting to do care. If I tried to rent an apartment/house, I would have to reside there enough to meet residency requirements. KS also just made it so no providers can have a daycare without having an outside play area as of March 1st. You would have to ask your state if walking to a playground would work there.
I'm also from Kansas and have thought about renting a separate home for my daycare. There is no regulation that I could find that states you have to live in the home where you do care. That particular home would just have to meet all the safety requirements.

I may be wrong though?
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nannyde 01:15 PM 03-22-2012
Just remember that when it comes to the care of OTHER people's kids... it's supposed to be hard.

Any experience you have as a parent will profit you very little in the care of other peoples kids. If you are going to manage a big group of other peoples children you really really need a LOT of experience caring for other peoples children.

Start really small and take one. Get that experience first. Just ONE of the other people's kids may be enough to dissuade you from having twelve.

It's really hard work especially when you have your own newborn. I was seven years in the home day care biz and over 20 years in the child care biz when my ds was born and it kicked my arse. It was SO hard and I KNEW how to take care of other people's kids. I was really good at it by then and it was still really really hard.
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DCBlessings27 02:11 PM 03-22-2012
Originally Posted by <3myjob:
I'm also from Kansas and have thought about renting a separate home for my daycare. There is no regulation that I could find that states you have to live in the home where you do care. That particular home would just have to meet all the safety requirements.

I may be wrong though?
I asked some other providers. I guess you can if your city/county says it's okay. In my city, they don't allow you to do so if you don't live in the house you're doing care from. Of course, they also don't allow us the have the preschool overlap for lunch either. Max 10 kids even for group. Stupid city. It's actually never been a problem for me bc I haven't had any SA yet.
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