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KIDZRMYBIZ 10:45 AM 10-02-2013
Interesting tidbit we providers already knew, but CONFIRMED by SCIENCE!

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep...olers-20130924
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nothingwithoutjoy 10:57 AM 10-02-2013
Originally Posted by KIDZRMYBIZ:
Interesting tidbit we providers already knew, but CONFIRMED by SCIENCE!

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep...olers-20130924
Halleluiah!
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Shell 11:01 AM 10-02-2013
Oooh! I'm really tempted to email this out to all the parents. I have one family in particular that swears if their child naps here, she won't fall asleep until after 10 p.m. It's kind of their indirect way of saying, "we'd prefer if she didn't have a nap at daycare". This article might make them change their minds!
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KIDZRMYBIZ 11:13 AM 10-02-2013
Originally Posted by mrsmichelle:
Oooh! I'm really tempted to email this out to all the parents. I have one family in particular that swears if their child naps here, she won't fall asleep until after 10 p.m. It's kind of their indirect way of saying, "we'd prefer if she didn't have a nap at daycare". This article might make them change their minds!
Yep! All 3 of my own kids stayed up with us until 9:30/10:00 (waking up around 8am) when they were preschool age and taking a 2-hour nap during our dc day. Almost all of my dcp within the last 5 yrs or so are HORRIFIED at this notion! They want their kids in bed by 7:30, and then are so frustrated that they wake up around 5:30. Then they hint around that maybe they don't need a daytime nap anymore. Not gonna happen!!!
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Shell 11:19 AM 10-02-2013
Originally Posted by KIDZRMYBIZ:
Yep! All 3 of my own kids stayed up with us until 9:30/10:00 (waking up around 8am) when they were preschool age and taking a 2-hour nap during our dc day. Almost all of my dcp within the last 5 yrs or so are HORRIFIED at this notion! They want their kids in bed by 7:30, and then are so frustrated that they wake up around 5:30. Then they hint around that maybe they don't need a daytime nap anymore. Not gonna happen!!!
A lot of parents only spend dinner, bath, and a short book before bed time and then repeat the same routine day after day. You would think they would enjoy the time with a well rested and happy child! I find that the kids that don't nap here during rest time are like zombies by the end of the day, and then they seem to catch a second wind, and are bouncing off the walls!
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Blackcat31 11:25 AM 10-02-2013
Originally Posted by KIDZRMYBIZ:
Yep! All 3 of my own kids stayed up with us until 9:30/10:00 (waking up around 8am) when they were preschool age and taking a 2-hour nap during our dc day. Almost all of my dcp within the last 5 yrs or so are HORRIFIED at this notion! They want their kids in bed by 7:30, and then are so frustrated that they wake up around 5:30. Then they hint around that maybe they don't need a daytime nap anymore. Not gonna happen!!!
My kids went to bed at 7:30....but they didn't have the luxury of staying asleep until 8am.

I wonder if your DCP's put their children to bed at 7:30 because they too have to be to work much earlier than 8.
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KIDZRMYBIZ 11:39 AM 10-02-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
My kids went to bed at 7:30....but they didn't have the luxury of staying asleep until 8am.

I wonder if your DCP's put their children to bed at 7:30 because they too have to be to work much earlier than 8.
That was one of the best parts of in-home dc-didn't have to get my own up and ready and out the door in the mornings. They all slept till the dcks started rolling in, sometime between 7:30-8:00.

Sadly, no. None work before 8:00. I open at 7:30. It's more what MrsMichelle said: pick-up, dinner, bath, bed, repeat. Especially now with all the new season shows.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:46 AM 10-02-2013
Posted to my business FB page.
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Josiegirl 04:36 PM 10-02-2013
Originally Posted by mrsmichelle:
A lot of parents only spend dinner, bath, and a short book before bed time and then repeat the same routine day after day. You would think they would enjoy the time with a well rested and happy child! I find that the kids that don't nap here during rest time are like zombies by the end of the day, and then they seem to catch a second wind, and are bouncing off the walls!
Either a second wind or they end up falling asleep on the way home, dcps can't wake them up for supper and it messes their whole nightly routine up.
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SilverSabre25 05:27 PM 10-02-2013
Great article!

Although my children naturally gave up their naps around 2. No power in the 'verse could make me want to let my 2 year DD stay up until midnight or later...and no power in the 'verse could make my DS take a nap as of sometime over the summer.

So while it's true that the naps are beneficial (probably has to do with sleep being necessary for consolidating short term memories into long term memories), there are also cases where children DO give them up, so they shouldn't be forced. If that makes sense.
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Leigh 05:52 PM 10-02-2013
Originally Posted by mrsmichelle:
A lot of parents only spend dinner, bath, and a short book before bed time and then repeat the same routine day after day. You would think they would enjoy the time with a well rested and happy child! I find that the kids that don't nap here during rest time are like zombies by the end of the day, and then they seem to catch a second wind, and are bouncing off the walls!
They DO catch a second wind. Their bodies produce melatonin in the daytime to help them go to sleep. If they don't sleep, the melatonin levels drop, and then the second wind comes into play. After NOT using the hormone to go to sleep, their bodies "wind up" to get them through whatever is was that was so important that they couldn't sleep. Leaving you with a wild child who didn't get to reset their body's systems, and will then have TROUBLE falling asleep at night.
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Shell 07:29 AM 10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Leigh:
They DO catch a second wind. Their bodies produce melatonin in the daytime to help them go to sleep. If they don't sleep, the melatonin levels drop, and then the second wind comes into play. After NOT using the hormone to go to sleep, their bodies "wind up" to get them through whatever is was that was so important that they couldn't sleep. Leaving you with a wild child who didn't get to reset their body's systems, and will then have TROUBLE falling asleep at night.
That's really interesting -so it seems parents' efforts to keep up tired children are almost counterproductive.
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Blackcat31 07:35 AM 10-03-2013
Originally Posted by mrsmichelle:
That's really interesting -so it seems parents' efforts to keep up tired children are almost counterproductive.
Oh, you should read the book Sleepless in America by Mary Sheedy-Kurcinka

It talks about how many parents mistakenly think that just because their child is wild in the evenings that it is due to napping in the day or that that behavior proves they dont' need a nap but in reality it is really the fact that kids' brains have shut down LONG before their bodies do so when they are running around like a chicken with no head, it's because in an essence...they are...

The book is a FANTASTIC sneak peek inside what sleep does and doesn't do for a child.

http://www.amazon.com/Sleepless-Amer.../dp/006073602X
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daycarediva 07:54 AM 10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Oh, you should read the book Sleepless in America by Mary Sheedy-Kurcinka

It talks about how many parents mistakenly think that just because their child is wild in the evenings that it is due to napping in the day or that that behavior proves they dont' need a nap but in reality it is really the fact that kids' brains have shut down LONG before their bodies do so when they are running around like a chicken with no head, it's because in an essence...they are...

The book is a FANTASTIC sneak peek inside what sleep does and doesn't do for a child.

http://www.amazon.com/Sleepless-Amer.../dp/006073602X
This book helped me show a dcm that her 5 1/2 year old needed MORE SLEEP. He now naps at full day K for an hour as well, AND he sleeps better at night and his behavior improved.
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AcornMama 10:01 AM 10-03-2013
Originally Posted by EntropyControlSpecialist:
Posted to my business FB page.
Great idea!
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Shell 11:08 AM 10-03-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Oh, you should read the book Sleepless in America by Mary Sheedy-Kurcinka

It talks about how many parents mistakenly think that just because their child is wild in the evenings that it is due to napping in the day or that that behavior proves they dont' need a nap but in reality it is really the fact that kids' brains have shut down LONG before their bodies do so when they are running around like a chicken with no head, it's because in an essence...they are...

The book is a FANTASTIC sneak peek inside what sleep does and doesn't do for a child.

http://www.amazon.com/Sleepless-Amer.../dp/006073602X
Thanks for the link- I will check it out!
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Jack Sprat 11:14 AM 10-03-2013
Thanks for the link! Makes me sad though...Our DD is 4.5 and goes to afternoon K-Prep. They don't do a rest time. The poor girl goes to bed at 7:15and sleeps till 6:30. She told me she misses her naps. On the weekends she will take a two hour nap and then go to bed at 9:00 and get up at 6:30. She is so much happier when she has a nap. I knew naps were important!!
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