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Lilbutterflie 10:30 AM 10-09-2012
I have a small home daycare, there are 3 kids in my care besides my own 2 children. Since I started, I have discussed with the parents during the interview, and included in the contract; that each parent shall supply a carseat for their child to be left here. I really hate to be stuck at my house all the time, and there are times when I take the kids to a park that we can't walk to; on a field trip, or perhaps even to play at the playcenter inside the local mall. Another reason I require one is for emergencies, if my daughter gets sick & I have to pick her up, at least I always know that I have all of their carseats here should we need to quickly get up and go for an emergency. All of my parents have been fine with this and brought carseats for their children their first day here.

Until now.

I started a new dcg almost 2 months ago, and the mom asked during the interview why I required the carseat. I explained it, as above; and also reassured her that if we ever were to go anywhere, I would let her know in advance. For field trips, she would know way far in advance and could choose not to bring her child that day if she didn't approve of the field trip.

There was no further discussion. However, she never did bring the carseat. I have reminded her several times; and she has been silent about the reminder each time. I let her know a month ago that we would be taking a field trip to a local pumpkin patch/farm this Friday; and that she needed to have her carseat by then. Still nothing from mom. I reminded her upon pickup last Friday that she needed her carseat by this Friday to go on the trip. Still no carseat. It seems like she is just adamantly refusing to bring one. Though she hasn't discussed it, either. I have a sneaky feeling that on Friday morning, she'll take the one out of her car and leave it here, then need it back again. That is NOT what I want to happen, I really need a carseat to be left here. DCG is full time, and we are stuck here without one for her. It's just not the way I run my daycare. I like to be spontaneous and out and about when we want to. That was thoroughly discussed with her.

WWYD? Would y'all let it go? Or perhaps give her a hard deadline stating she cannot attend daycare after such date if no carseat?
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Blackcat31 10:34 AM 10-09-2012
Yep, deadline. If you do not have a car seat that remains at care by Thursday morning, then NO care will be provided on Friday.

Don't just write a note but verbally tell her as well.

If she shows up Friday and tries to give you the one from her car, simply say "I'm sorry Sally but I can't accept this seat as we have discussed this several times and I can't allow you to disregard the policies I have in place and that you agreed to."

Stand your ground because if you don't I guarantee that this won't be the last time this mom tries to sneak one by you.
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cheerfuldom 10:38 AM 10-09-2012
Either give her a deadline and then refuse ANY childcare till she abides by your rules (dont get stuck without a car seat in an emergency....this isnt just about the field trip)

OR

tell her if she does not comply by the deadline, you will purchase for her and charge her for it and again, no childcare services at all until that bill is paid.

Make her choose one of your options or find other care. That way the problem is solved no matter what she does.
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dave4him 10:40 AM 10-09-2012
You need to explain the emergency complications of not having a car seat for every child. Verbally talk to her about it and explain the issue there. I have five car seats in the back of my van at all times, and one booster for my 6 year old. So i know the feeling.
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rhymia1 10:40 AM 10-09-2012
This is why I provide all the car seats (not to mention the ones from 1984 some of my clients have tried to press on me )
I would confront the issue head on "DC mom, I know we've discussed having a car seat at dc, is there a reason you have not brought one in?" At that point I would go with Blackcat's advice and make it clear that she signed off on this when she chose your dc. Don't let it go, because that's not fair to you or your other clients. Good Luck!
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jojosmommy 10:41 AM 10-09-2012
Wait, so you want a seperate seat just for daycare? Not the one they ride to and from daycare in? I must be confused.
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Nickel 10:46 AM 10-09-2012
I too require car seats, OR I provide one. I do this because I pick my daughter up from school every day and I don't want to uninstal and reinstall each day. I only do that for the infant seat but she is only here 3 days per week and I can usually have a friend pick her up on 2 of those days and I pick up the other 3,kwim? I make it perfectly clear that I do not run errands with the children unless I have to and that I will let them know when I do, but I DO transport the children. i even have a transport form that is REQUIRED before they start care.

Now, I know I hate confrontation. So here are some suggestions on what I would probably do in your situation. Not all of them are that great, but they might make a point.

Print up a transportation permission form. Let her know it must be signed and returned with a car seat by Friday or you will no longer be able to provide care for dck.

Call her one day this week and let her know you have to go pick up her your dd from school and that she needs to come pick up her child.

Tell her tomorrow morning that you have to go to x event and you need her seat.

You could also just talk to her:

I really need you to leave a car seat here in case I need to pick up my dd from school. If you cannot provide a seat due to financial reasons, I understand, but then I will need you to leave YOUR car seat each day.

If that still doesn't work. You can tell her that a friend gave you a car seat and you installed it and if she would like to check your installation, she is free to do so.

You can also tell her if she doesnt provide a seat by x day you will provide it and charge her on her next bill....

BUT, if you are REALLY brave, and I am so not. You could just say something along the lines of. Hey, dcm. I noticied you seem relunctant to leave a car seat here. do you have some questions or concerns we can clear up?
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Lilbutterflie 10:49 AM 10-09-2012
Originally Posted by jojosmommy:
Wait, so you want a seperate seat just for daycare? Not the one they ride to and from daycare in? I must be confused.
Well, she is a very large 15 month old. She's not in an infant seat anymore where you can just remove it from the base and easily transport it. I don't believe carseats should be uninstalled and installed daily- it's too dangerous. That's why I require one to be left here.
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Scout 10:50 AM 10-09-2012
Maybe they can not afford one at the moment? I know the shock of childcare costs after first having a child can be overwhelming to some. Would hou be willing to buy one & leave it there even if she is no longer a client? The way I see it that would be a win- win for everyone & you would always have one!
When i first went back with my 2 child, my provider informed us she needed a swing. Well buying that swing put us behind on the bills. Not a good situation. She may be like me & not want to tell you money is tight!
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countrymom 10:54 AM 10-09-2012
Originally Posted by jojosmommy:
Wait, so you want a seperate seat just for daycare? Not the one they ride to and from daycare in? I must be confused.
your correct. one is to always stay at daycare and the parents must have one for themselves.

this is why I supply all carseats. Its so much easier. ok, look at it from a parents point of view. Carseats are not cheap, so if they have 2 cars they would need to buy 2 carseats for themselves and then one for your house so 3 in total. To me, it seems like alot of money, esp if your going to be using it every once in a while. i would just supply it and write it off.
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jojosmommy 10:54 AM 10-09-2012
Ok. I get it.

Here is my opinion.

You want the seat then you provide it for everyone. Include its cost in enrollment or weekly fees. Just like paper goods or crafts. This way YOU own it, YOU know where it is, YOU know its not past expiration or been in a crash etc. Thats what all the providers around here do.

I would not be pleased with having to buy a 3rd seat for my kiddo just to be left at daycare. One for myself and my hubs vehicle is expensive enough.
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DBug 10:56 AM 10-09-2012
Obviously this won't help for this situation, but have you thought of including the cost of a new seat in your registration fees? That way you can purchase one for each new child yourself. You'll know it's up-to-date, it hasn't been in an accident, and it will always be there if you need it. When each child moves on, they can either take the carseat with them, or you can save it for the next new child (assuming it hasn't expired).

As a forgetful parent myself, I like to make sure that I'm not depending on the parent for anything except what's absolutely necessary -- namely, diapers and my paycheck . I provide everything else.

With something like this, it quickly becomes an issue of whether or not you're able to pick up your daughter from school if she's sick. And I don't know about you, but envisioning my child sick at school waiting for me when I can't come? That breaks my heart . I would hate to have that possibility be completely dependent on a daycare parent's adherence to my policies, kwim?

I think I would refuse care until getting a carseat. You've already told dcm that it's a requirement. She's breaking your contract by not providing one.

But after that, I'd consider raising registration fees to cover carseats too .
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countrymom 10:56 AM 10-09-2012
also at least you know where you seat has been too. I had a mom bring me one and omg it was left in the barn after it rained the day before and then the cats got to it. Like ya, I want that in my van eww gross!
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jojosmommy 10:56 AM 10-09-2012
I should correct my last statement to say I would NOT BUY another seat if a provider requested one. I would choose another provider. IMO, its your business expense.
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Lilbutterflie 10:57 AM 10-09-2012
Originally Posted by Nickel:
I too require car seats, OR I provide one. I do this because I pick my daughter up from school every day and I don't want to uninstal and reinstall each day. I only do that for the infant seat but she is only here 3 days per week and I can usually have a friend pick her up on 2 of those days and I pick up the other 3,kwim? I make it perfectly clear that I do not run errands with the children unless I have to and that I will let them know when I do, but I DO transport the children. i even have a transport form that is REQUIRED before they start care.

Now, I know I hate confrontation. So here are some suggestions on what I would probably do in your situation. Not all of them are that great, but they might make a point.

Print up a transportation permission form. Let her know it must be signed and returned with a car seat by Friday or you will no longer be able to provide care for dck.

Call her one day this week and let her know you have to go pick up her your dd from school and that she needs to come pick up her child.

Tell her tomorrow morning that you have to go to x event and you need her seat.

You could also just talk to her:

I really need you to leave a car seat here in case I need to pick up my dd from school. If you cannot provide a seat due to financial reasons, I understand, but then I will need you to leave YOUR car seat each day.

If that still doesn't work. You can tell her that a friend gave you a car seat and you installed it and if she would like to check your installation, she is free to do so.

You can also tell her if she doesnt provide a seat by x day you will provide it and charge her on her next bill....

BUT, if you are REALLY brave, and I am so not. You could just say something along the lines of. Hey, dcm. I noticied you seem relunctant to leave a car seat here. do you have some questions or concerns we can clear up?
Oh yes, I also have a transportation form that I require them to sign. She signed it upon enrollment, but wrote down that she must know in advance if we were to go anywhere. I have no problems with that. I understand that a parent would want to know where their child is at all times. I, too, discuss with all of my parents that I never take them on errands unless something comes up and it's absolutely necessary; in which case I inform them in advance.

I never thought about purchasing my own and charging her for it after giving her a hard deadline. I might just do that. But then, could she refuse to pay because I purchased one that was too expensive? If I'm going to purchase one myself, it's going to be a Radian, and I doubt she wants a $200+ bill! LOL
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cheerfuldom 11:04 AM 10-09-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
Oh yes, I also have a transportation form that I require them to sign. She signed it upon enrollment, but wrote down that she must know in advance if we were to go anywhere. I have no problems with that. I understand that a parent would want to know where their child is at all times. I, too, discuss with all of my parents that I never take them on errands unless something comes up and it's absolutely necessary; in which case I inform them in advance.

I never thought about purchasing my own and charging her for it after giving her a hard deadline. I might just do that. But then, could she refuse to pay because I purchased one that was too expensive? If I'm going to purchase one myself, it's going to be a Radian, and I doubt she wants a $200+ bill! LOL
you can find much more economical options than a Radian and that still have great safety reviews.

but besides that, I personally purchase car seats for my daycare use because what some parents bring in is scary to say the least. Again, I dont go with Radian though or anything else that is bulky, expensive or otherwise not daycare friendly
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jojosmommy 11:04 AM 10-09-2012
Can you get a grant? I my area you could write a grant for $to buy a safe seat.
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Lilbutterflie 11:08 AM 10-09-2012
Originally Posted by DBug:

With something like this, it quickly becomes an issue of whether or not you're able to pick up your daughter from school if she's sick. And I don't know about you, but envisioning my child sick at school waiting for me when I can't come? That breaks my heart . I would hate to have that possibility be completely dependent on a daycare parent's adherence to my policies, kwim?

I think I would refuse care until getting a carseat. You've already told dcm that it's a requirement. She's breaking your contract by not providing one.

But after that, I'd consider raising registration fees to cover carseats too .
That's another thing that bothers me about the situation. She is the only one with the carseat in her car- dad doesn't have one. Fortunately for them, they live around the block about a half mile; and if DCD needs to pick her up, he walks with a stroller to pick her up. However, if it's raining or bad weather; picking her up isn't an option- mom has to do it. Well, mom is a teacher. She has point blank told me she cannot leave right away, so I need to contact DCD in an emergency. But if there is an emergency AND bad weather- there is no one to pick her up because HE doesn't even have a carseat!!
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Lilbutterflie 11:23 AM 10-09-2012
The main thing that worries me about purchasing one myself is liability. Moms around here tend to purchase the high end, expensive, cream of the crop car seats. Radian, Britax, etc... Nothing wrong with that, but if I purchase it from my own limited income, it won't be one of those. Then, if I get in a wreck and heaven forbid a child get injured, they can put it on me for supplying a "low quality" carseat. Even if the injury had nothing to do with the carseat- they can still try to take me to court for it and ruin my business. I feel MUCH more comfortable if the parents provide their own.

And I feel like we are getting side tracked- she knew about supplying a carseat before she enrolled. If she didn't like it, she should have chosen another daycare.
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itlw8 11:28 AM 10-09-2012
That teacher award I posted might just be the thing for you. Write up a grant proposal on Safety. get carseats for the whole group.
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Crazy8 11:36 AM 10-09-2012
I agree with the posts that say you should provide the carseats - its one thing to buy a spare set of clothes for a daycare that never get used but its another to provide an expensive carseat that MAY only be used once in a while.

BUT mom did sign the contract stating she needs to provide one so she either provide it or find care elsewhere. Honestly, I wouldn't choose a provider who required me to leave a carseat at their home. It's your business and you can do it how you wish but I'd consider that a business expense and just right it off.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:48 AM 10-09-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
Well, she is a very large 15 month old. She's not in an infant seat anymore where you can just remove it from the base and easily transport it. I don't believe carseats should be uninstalled and installed daily- it's too dangerous. That's why I require one to be left here.
That's very true, plus who is to say Mom couldn't be running a little behind one day and say she didn't have time to uninstall the other carseat. There are too many factors that play into using the same carseat at both places. Smart choice to have one for each!

I'm sorry that Mom is not being cooperative. But, there is no such thing as a low quality carseat. They all have to pass the same standards, some just have a harness that goes up to a higher weight. Don't stress yourself out about that! You can buy less expensive "versions" of the Britax and Radian for $150 (The First Years True Fit) and under $100 (an Evenflo seat) if you really wanted to. But, I don't know that you would have this child until they were 65 lbs so it really doesn't matter what seat you get so long as it keeps the kiddo harnessed for a good, long time.
The Cosco Scenera at Walmart is $39. http://www.walmart.com/search/search...onstraint=5427

I think I'd ask her one more time and let her know that if it doesn't come by Thursday, like others suggested, buy it and bill her.
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crazydaycarelady 11:50 AM 10-09-2012
I agree that if you want to go places you should provide the seats. It's part of doing business. A lot of parents already have to buy two seats, one for moms car and one for dads car, buying a third seat seems ridiculous to me, especially one that will rarely be used.
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DaisyMamma 11:57 AM 10-09-2012
How strange.
Why are they so cheap and weird about carseats?
Give her a hard deadline.
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daycarediva 12:30 PM 10-09-2012
I am a car seat safety NUT. That being said, I would NEVER purchase a car seat for daycare. I will only allow my kids in the best seat, and CORRECTLY installed. This issue, and reason I wouldn't have enrolled my child to begin with is not about cost (even though that's up there, especially for occassional use) is proper installation and fit.

Do you install and remove the seats as needed or are they always installed? In the last 4 years I have only uninstalled a car seat for DS to adjust the straps, and then to turn him FF when he reached the maximum at 3 1/2.

I don't want to start a car seat debate, but I am guessing it is either a cost issue AND/OR a safety concern of DCM's and you will probably lose her as a client. She never should have enrolled to begin with.

Oh, and I have a hard enough time getting parents to buy a set of good waterproof gloves & hat to leave here.... let alone a car seat!
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daycarediva 12:32 PM 10-09-2012
Should have added---- each of my daycare kids have transportation permission slips with me. I provide carseats. When Britax discontinues a pattern, you can get them for $179. All of my kids are in Marathons, purchased & installed by me and inspected by a car seat safety technician.
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Country Kids 12:49 PM 10-09-2012
I have parents provide car seats and it has never been a problem. I would rather they buy hte kind they like and prefer. I have a few that are so buckled up they can barely move from all the buckles/clips and straps. Then I have some that it is a basick carseat with a five point harness.

I do provide the booster seats though as they are pretty basic!
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Nickel 02:32 PM 10-09-2012
I personally give them the option. BUT I will say I prefer a car seat I am comfortable with. I've never used Britax before (it's just out of my price range. Even at $179!) But I love my Graco my Ride 65. I would love all my children to have one, but realistically, they all wouldn't fit properly in my vehicle. I know my seats are installed correctly. Most of the time, the seats are NOT installed correctly in parent's vehicles. I am BIG on car seat safety as well. I opted to provide my own because I know what works best for my vehicle. AND many times parents don't even have their child in the correct seat!!! Like a booster seat for a 2 yr old!!! I have convertable seats with the latch and parents are free to check the installation and verify that everything is good. I just like to have one I am comfortable with because you get a better installation when you know the seat, kwim? A car seat isn't worth much without proper installation.

but in your situation I am betting that either dcm either a) doesn't want you actually taking dck anywhere and doesn't want to say anything or b)financially cannot provide the seat. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if dck is suddenly "sick" on Friday.
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daycare 02:49 PM 10-09-2012
I have not read all of the replies, but communication is key. I would not let this get one step further. I would get on the phone right now and tell DCM per our contract, sussie needs a car seat that will be left here by drop off tomorrow morning. If you can not provide one by this time, I will purchase one for you of my choice and you will be billed for it. I will discontinue all care for your child until you either provide me with a car seat that can be left here for her, or you have paid me in full for the purchase of a new car seat, plus a $20.00 shopping/gas fee for my time and gas.

If the DCM does not want her child to go, then she needs to find a different daycare. DONT let one child stop you from how you want to run your childcare. We have major field trips every week, some up to an hour or more away. All of my parents love this about my program. HOWEVER, when I have new people calling looking for care a lot of them are not ok with it. They will tell me this and I will tell them well then I am not the daycare for you....

good luck with this..

Also, I have 12 kids and I provide all carseats. they are always installed and I never have to take them in and out, as it is a huge hassle. Well except to clean them.
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familyschoolcare 04:51 PM 10-09-2012
KSo if they give you a carseat everyday what difference does it make if they take it back every day. I have some parents buy a carseat for me and others take the one out of their car everyday.
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Willow 05:02 PM 10-09-2012
Just like I expect parents to have a backup for their child, I figure I have to have a backup plan should something happen with one of mine too. Although it's ideal if I can run and grab them from school if they become ill, sometimes it's just not feasible and I have to have a family member do it. The only options shouldn't be to either load up a vehicle full of daycare kids, or leave the child to languish in the nurses office if they're feeling sick.

That said, if it's in your contract and it's important to you, then enforce it.

I agree with whoever mentioned just asking mom why she seems to be delaying would be your best bet. It might be a financial issue, it could be something else entirely. Asking before it comes down causing you trouble or causing a confrontation will likely go over much smoother. Tell her you're wondering what the deal is and offer to clear up any questions she might be having as to why you have the requirement.
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momofsix 06:06 PM 10-09-2012
If mom doesn't want you taking her child anywhere without prior approval, I bet that's what's making her uncomfortable. I bet she's thinking that you wouldn't need to have a car seat there every day if you're not even going to be using it. She's afraid that if the car seat is there everyday then you might transport her child without her knowledge. I also agree that expense might be an issue-buying a car seat that's hardly ever going to be used.
I agree that if she signed the contract she should abide by it, but I think she didn't think it would actually become a big issue and isn't sure how to respond anymore.
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daycare 06:19 PM 10-09-2012
Originally Posted by familyschoolcare:
KSo if they give you a carseat everyday what difference does it make if they take it back every day. I have some parents buy a carseat for me and others take the one out of their car everyday.
when you have to put a carseat in and out everyday there are a few things that happens.

1. its a pain
2. you increase the risk of it being installed incorrectly on your behalf or the parents. Therefore putting the child in more risk.
3. what happens when parent forgets to leave it? your stuck
4. the seat does take a beating having to be installed and re-installed all of the time. Of course this is if it in not an infant snap in seat, which I have always refused to use.

It would just make sense for the provider to either buy one or make the parent purchase one to have left at their house as she is doing...
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rhymia1 03:11 AM 10-10-2012
I just want to speak to the idea that a car seat should never be moved or reinstalled - a close relative of mine is a car seat tech. She says she cringes when she hears people tell her earnestly "I *never* move the car seat!" Car seats can get loose over time and need to be adjusted for correct fit. Better to stop in at a check point when they have them so you can have your seats checked than to be afraid to move them. And really, anyone who is transporting kids on a regular basis should take a car seat safety course.

I choose to buy my car seats because I know they are safe, and they fit in my van. BUT I see the OP's issue as going beyond the car seat. The client signed off on this and agreed to do it and is now refusing to comply with policy. The time to have questioned it was before she signed on.
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MaritimeMummy 04:40 AM 10-10-2012
I don't think that OP should have to provide a seat.

I don't supply diapers, wipes, or spare clothing to my kids. I'm sure most of you don't, either. Why on earth should we be buying their car seats?

The fact of the matter is that this was part of the contract which was explained and DCM signed. It's not a surprise expense. She knew and understood that this would be part of the daycare expenses. If she didn't like it at the time, she could have chosen not to sign and looked for other care arrangements. This completely falls on the mom now, NOT the OP. I don't say, "you supply diapers" in my contract and then go out and buy diapers for the kids. No freaking way. the parents need to do what they signed off on doing.

As a parent, I would NOT want my child riding in a seat whose history I did not know. If I took my kids to day care and they supplied seats, how would I know if those seats weren't already second-hand, or not involved in even a minor fender-bender (which can totally instantly degrade the quality of the seat and must be thrown out...many people do not know this). Have the straps been submerged and washed? Another no-no...there are just too many questions and variables to consider, i'd just happily supply new seats for my kids even if they were offered by the provider.

Now, my concern comes from what OP said. Sort of contradictary...at first it was said that a car seat must be left in case of emergency, and outings and field trips would be discussed way far in advance. However, goes on to say that a seat must be left there at all times "because I like to be spontaneous" and be able to leave whenever. So which is it, planned outings with planning for a potential emergency, or spontaneous outings? Because I would have made that clear in the beginning, and maybe that is why Mom is being so hesitant about leaving a seat.
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My3cents 05:02 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
Oh yes, I also have a transportation form that I require them to sign. She signed it upon enrollment, but wrote down that she must know in advance if we were to go anywhere. I have no problems with that. I understand that a parent would want to know where their child is at all times. I, too, discuss with all of my parents that I never take them on errands unless something comes up and it's absolutely necessary; in which case I inform them in advance.

I never thought about purchasing my own and charging her for it after giving her a hard deadline. I might just do that. But then, could she refuse to pay because I purchased one that was too expensive? If I'm going to purchase one myself, it's going to be a Radian, and I doubt she wants a $200+ bill! LOL
I see wishy washy here, unclear.

You have said that you want to be spontaneous, but you let the parents know ahead of time for trips you take, but you might have to pick up your daughter.

Another thing I would personally not like is you taking my child to the mall to the play area. I don't know this just doesn't sit well with me.

I am not big on field trips at this age anyhow. Most of the field trips taken should be experienced first with the own families. I know my parents want this.

I don't want the liability of transporting.

I think if this parent knew about the car seat situation when she signed on you should enforce your policies. Be blunt with her about this.

For future- Have the cost of a car seat put into your enrollment fee, and buy a safe one but not the top of the notch most expensive one. Be reasonable. They are good for six years and then have to be replaced.

Best-
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My3cents 05:08 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
That's another thing that bothers me about the situation. She is the only one with the carseat in her car- dad doesn't have one. Fortunately for them, they live around the block about a half mile; and if DCD needs to pick her up, he walks with a stroller to pick her up. However, if it's raining or bad weather; picking her up isn't an option- mom has to do it. Well, mom is a teacher. She has point blank told me she cannot leave right away, so I need to contact DCD in an emergency. But if there is an emergency AND bad weather- there is no one to pick her up because HE doesn't even have a carseat!!
sounds like they can't afford that or Dad would have one for his car. Not easy for a parent to say that they can't afford something. I would talk with her about this, maybe buy one and do a payment plan over a few weeks with her if you can. Work something out. I feel you need to TALK with this parent and not let it go on any longer. Your building up resentments and she probably feels embarrassed to not be able to get one to you, or to tell you that she doesn't want her kid out and about during the day. Many parents don't want this. They want to know that the child is in a safe place and where the child is and who the child is around.
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My3cents 05:13 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
The main thing that worries me about purchasing one myself is liability. Moms around here tend to purchase the high end, expensive, cream of the crop car seats. Radian, Britax, etc... Nothing wrong with that, but if I purchase it from my own limited income, it won't be one of those. Then, if I get in a wreck and heaven forbid a child get injured, they can put it on me for supplying a "low quality" carseat. Even if the injury had nothing to do with the carseat- they can still try to take me to court for it and ruin my business. I feel MUCH more comfortable if the parents provide their own.

And I feel like we are getting side tracked- she knew about supplying a carseat before she enrolled. If she didn't like it, she should have chosen another daycare.
Some of my favorite post are the ones that get side tracked. I learn a lot from continued conversations.

Above is why I don't transport. I don't want the liability.

You are right she knew, but you should be enforcing your policies from day one too, and it is hard to do at times. If you expect parents to provide their own, you should have had it on day one or at the latest day two or no service. Tell the parent, bluntly you have until tomorrow morning to bring me a seat to stay here or contract is being broken and you want your two weeks notice pay and services are ended.

Good luck-
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lovemykidstoo 05:13 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
The main thing that worries me about purchasing one myself is liability. Moms around here tend to purchase the high end, expensive, cream of the crop car seats. Radian, Britax, etc... Nothing wrong with that, but if I purchase it from my own limited income, it won't be one of those. Then, if I get in a wreck and heaven forbid a child get injured, they can put it on me for supplying a "low quality" carseat. Even if the injury had nothing to do with the carseat- they can still try to take me to court for it and ruin my business. I feel MUCH more comfortable if the parents provide their own.

And I feel like we are getting side tracked- she knew about supplying a carseat before she enrolled. If she didn't like it, she should have chosen another daycare.
Maybe they just can't afford it and she's embarrassed to say? I would worry more about the liability of driving kids around in my car than actually buying a brand new car seat.

I agree though if you discussed it during the interview, she should have backed out if it's not something she can/will do.
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littlemissmuffet 06:53 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
I have a small home daycare, there are 3 kids in my care besides my own 2 children. Since I started, I have discussed with the parents during the interview, and included in the contract; that each parent shall supply a carseat for their child to be left here. I really hate to be stuck at my house all the time, and there are times when I take the kids to a park that we can't walk to; on a field trip, or perhaps even to play at the playcenter inside the local mall. Another reason I require one is for emergencies, if my daughter gets sick & I have to pick her up, at least I always know that I have all of their carseats here should we need to quickly get up and go for an emergency. All of my parents have been fine with this and brought carseats for their children their first day here.

Until now.

I started a new dcg almost 2 months ago, and the mom asked during the interview why I required the carseat. I explained it, as above; and also reassured her that if we ever were to go anywhere, I would let her know in advance. For field trips, she would know way far in advance and could choose not to bring her child that day if she didn't approve of the field trip.

There was no further discussion. However, she never did bring the carseat. I have reminded her several times; and she has been silent about the reminder each time. I let her know a month ago that we would be taking a field trip to a local pumpkin patch/farm this Friday; and that she needed to have her carseat by then. Still nothing from mom. I reminded her upon pickup last Friday that she needed her carseat by this Friday to go on the trip. Still no carseat. It seems like she is just adamantly refusing to bring one. Though she hasn't discussed it, either. I have a sneaky feeling that on Friday morning, she'll take the one out of her car and leave it here, then need it back again. That is NOT what I want to happen, I really need a carseat to be left here. DCG is full time, and we are stuck here without one for her. It's just not the way I run my daycare. I like to be spontaneous and out and about when we want to. That was thoroughly discussed with her.

WWYD? Would y'all let it go? Or perhaps give her a hard deadline stating she cannot attend daycare after such date if no carseat?
I would absolutely NOT let it go. If I ask for a parent to provide something, I EXPECT them to provide it. I give a 2-7 day notice for any supplies I require, depending on what it is, and if it isn't brought in that timeframe, they aren't provided with care until it comes (and yes, they continue to be charged). Simple as that. I don't change MY plans or how I run my daycare because a parent doesn't bring something... that decision changes THEIR plans and schedule by not having daycare!!
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SilverSabre25 07:48 AM 10-10-2012
I agree though that the thread is getting really sidetracked--please stop questioning the way the OP runs her business. Sure lots of people on here aren't comfortable with the liability of transporting etc, or as a parent wouldn't like what the OP does, but the issue at hand is not about that--she's not asking for advice or opinons on the fact that she transports. Her issue is solely with the fact that dcm knew about the car seat, agreed to the car seat, and now is renigging on that agreement.

OP, I would probably give her a hard deadline and then stick to it. Sounds like they might just not be a good fit for your daycare. And start interviewing for the possible open spot so that you don't have a lapse in income.
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Lilbutterflie 09:01 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
I agree though that the thread is getting really sidetracked--please stop questioning the way the OP runs her business. Sure lots of people on here aren't comfortable with the liability of transporting etc, or as a parent wouldn't like what the OP does, but the issue at hand is not about that--she's not asking for advice or opinons on the fact that she transports. Her issue is solely with the fact that dcm knew about the car seat, agreed to the car seat, and now is renigging on that agreement.

OP, I would probably give her a hard deadline and then stick to it. Sounds like they might just not be a good fit for your daycare. And start interviewing for the possible open spot so that you don't have a lapse in income.
Thanks SilverSabre, I appreciate what you said. One of the reasons why some of us are afraid to post new topics or questions is for fear that we will be criticized for how we run our business instead of people actually offering advice.

To clear something up; the car seat is required for occasional field trips, spontaneous trips to places like a park or indoor playground; and most importantly for emergencies. In any and all cases, parents are notified IN ADVANCE of any transportation, usually via text. Even if it's spontaneous, it is more like a text or phone call stating "We will be at such and such park. I have my phone with me if you need me for anything." This is ALL discussed during the interview; and honestly I have not had one parent who has been concerned about it as long as they know where their child is at all times. If I run across someone that is not okay with it, they aren't a good fit here.

UPDATE: DCM and I discussed it this morning. She stated she has no problems with her child being transported. She stated she has been waiting for her SIL to give her a carseat that she promised; but they haven't seen her yet. I told DCM that I'd be willing to purchase a Costco Scenara, $40 at Walmart, and add it to her next bill. She liked that idea, and said she would discuss with her DH and let me know. In either case, we'll have a car seat by Friday. No worries.
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Blackcat31 09:07 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
UPDATE: DCM and I discussed it this morning. She stated she has no problems with her child being transported. She stated she has been waiting for her SIL to give her a carseat that she promised; but they haven't seen her yet. I told DCM that I'd be willing to purchase a Costco Scenara, $40 at Walmart, and add it to her next bill. She liked that idea, and said she would discuss with her DH and let me know. In either case, we'll have a car seat by Friday. No worries.

Super happy you and the DCM were able to find a solution!

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LK5kids 10:44 AM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Nickel:
I personally give them the option. BUT I will say I prefer a car seat I am comfortable with. I've never used Britax before (it's just out of my price range. Even at $179!) But I love my Graco my Ride 65. I would love all my children to have one, but realistically, they all wouldn't fit properly in my vehicle. I know my seats are installed correctly. Most of the time, the seats are NOT installed correctly in parent's vehicles. I am BIG on car seat safety as well. I opted to provide my own because I know what works best for my vehicle. AND many times parents don't even have their child in the correct seat!!! Like a booster seat for a 2 yr old!!! I have convertable seats with the latch and parents are free to check the installation and verify that everything is good. I just like to have one I am comfortable with because you get a better installation when you know the seat, kwim? A car seat isn't worth much without proper installation.

but in your situation I am betting that either dcm either a) doesn't want you actually taking dck anywhere and doesn't want to say anything or b)financially cannot provide the seat. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if dck is suddenly "sick" on Friday.
You are right saying a seat isn't worth much without proper installation. Maybe you have been to a car seat check and have been properly trained on all the variables surrounding proper car seat installation. Anyone reading this and transports kids-make sure you have a tech teach you the proper way to get seats in. I am a car seat tech and have installed seats for parents for 12 yrs. 9 out of 10 seats are NOT installed properly. I have installed hundreds of seats and maybe have found five or six properly installed. These are the statistics from the national highway safety association. The harness has to be tight enough so you can't pinch any webbing and the chest clip on the chest/armpit area. Then there's the whole issue on harness height (all ages) and rear-facing angle for infants.
Anyone reading this and transports kids.....get yourself trained and make sure you properly install all seats each time. I'd suggest installing the seats and then going to a car seat check. They are usually on Sat. or sometimes in the evening.
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lovemykidstoo 12:06 PM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:

UPDATE: DCM and I discussed it this morning. She stated she has no problems with her child being transported. She stated she has been waiting for her SIL to give her a carseat that she promised; but they haven't seen her yet. I told DCM that I'd be willing to purchase a Costco Scenara, $40 at Walmart, and add it to her next bill. She liked that idea, and said she would discuss with her DH and let me know. In either case, we'll have a car seat by Friday. No worries.
That is great news! It's always a load off or our minds when we get a resolution! Happy that it worked out for you and the dcp.
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lovemykidstoo 12:11 PM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by lovemykidstoo:
Maybe they just can't afford it and she's embarrassed to say? I would worry more about the liability of driving kids around in my car than actually buying a brand new car seat.

I agree though if you discussed it during the interview, she should have backed out if it's not something she can/will do.
Lilbutterflie, I want to tell you that I did not mean this to sound like I was criticizing you at all if you took it that way. I just meant that if you're buying brand new I wouldn't worry about it being a bad carseat is all. I think that those that do carseat safety checks would agree that most problems with carseats aren't the type that they are or how much they cost, but how they're installed. I think it's great that you take the kids on trips, I'm sure they love that and if the mom agreed to that and to emergencies, then she should absolutely provide you with one. Unfortunately, where I live, the insurance rates are through the roof if you transport so I can't do that. So, again, sorry if it came off wrong.
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familyschoolcare 03:28 PM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by daycare:
when you have to put a carseat in and out everyday there are a few things that happens.

1. its a pain
2. you increase the risk of it being installed incorrectly on your behalf or the parents. Therefore putting the child in more risk.
3. what happens when parent forgets to leave it? your stuck
4. the seat does take a beating having to be installed and re-installed all of the time. Of course this is if it in not an infant snap in seat, which I have always refused to use.

It would just make sense for the provider to either buy one or make the parent purchase one to have left at their house as she is doing...
That makes sense, I only deal with booster seats so I was not seeing the issue you brought up.
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daycare 03:46 PM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by familyschoolcare:
That makes sense, I only deal with booster seats so I was not seeing the issue you brought up.
LUCKY..... I have toddlers so I have to check those seats after every single freaking time we use them. I never take them out, just readjust and tighten anything necessary. Also have to clean them when from time to time.....
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Lyss 03:46 PM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
The main thing that worries me about purchasing one myself is liability. Moms around here tend to purchase the high end, expensive, cream of the crop car seats. Radian, Britax, etc... Nothing wrong with that, but if I purchase it from my own limited income, it won't be one of those. Then, if I get in a wreck and heaven forbid a child get injured, they can put it on me for supplying a "low quality" carseat. Even if the injury had nothing to do with the carseat- they can still try to take me to court for it and ruin my business. I feel MUCH more comfortable if the parents provide their own.
As long as you have a carseat that is in working condition, no rips/tears and not expired or so on, they can not sue you just because you didn't by the best one. I thought about this too when I started (I provide car seats for all but infants as I prefer not to transport infants, DCD parents can choose to bring one if they don't like what I provide) but as long as the carseat meets the requirements for safety and is used properly and according to instructions, they cannot say you had a defective car seat or put their child in harm (carseat wise anyways) just because of what it cost.

Originally Posted by My3cents:
sounds like they can't afford that or Dad would have one for his car. Not easy for a parent to say that they can't afford something. I would talk with her about this, maybe buy one and do a payment plan over a few weeks with her if you can. Work something out. I feel you need to TALK with this parent and not let it go on any longer. Your building up resentments and she probably feels embarrassed to not be able to get one to you.
I have a friend who struggled with this. They couldn't afford 2 seats (one for each car), and she said that she felt so embarrassed because it's an essential safety item that her child needed and to not be able to afford the second one made her feel like she was skimping on her child's safety and that it affected how people saw her as a parent (edit: I'm not saying you implied anything about this parent's parenting, just sharing a story! ).

Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
UPDATE: DCM and I discussed it this morning. She stated she has no problems with her child being transported. She stated she has been waiting for her SIL to give her a carseat that she promised; but they haven't seen her yet. I told DCM that I'd be willing to purchase a Costco Scenara, $40 at Walmart, and add it to her next bill. She liked that idea, and said she would discuss with her DH and let me know. In either case, we'll have a car seat by Friday. No worries.
Glad to see that mom finally came around! I would be getting annoyed as well, especially when she knew it was something you required per your contract and you had discussed prior (and repeatedly)! I think the offer to buy and be reimbursed was a good idea. I think it's good to have one for emergencies, especially when DCD doesn't have one in his car! Glad it worked out!
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Nickel 03:47 PM 10-10-2012
I am so glad that the problem was solved! That's fantastic! I know that a friend of mine was having some issues lately and come to find out dcm didn't want her transporting her son! But she wasn't so passive aggressive about it it came off as something completely different. So I just assumed your dcm was feeling the same... I am so glad you decided to talk to her about it! That's fantastic
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EntropyControlSpecialist 03:48 PM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
Thanks SilverSabre, I appreciate what you said. One of the reasons why some of us are afraid to post new topics or questions is for fear that we will be criticized for how we run our business instead of people actually offering advice.

To clear something up; the car seat is required for occasional field trips, spontaneous trips to places like a park or indoor playground; and most importantly for emergencies. In any and all cases, parents are notified IN ADVANCE of any transportation, usually via text. Even if it's spontaneous, it is more like a text or phone call stating "We will be at such and such park. I have my phone with me if you need me for anything." This is ALL discussed during the interview; and honestly I have not had one parent who has been concerned about it as long as they know where their child is at all times. If I run across someone that is not okay with it, they aren't a good fit here.

UPDATE: DCM and I discussed it this morning. She stated she has no problems with her child being transported. She stated she has been waiting for her SIL to give her a carseat that she promised; but they haven't seen her yet. I told DCM that I'd be willing to purchase a Costco Scenara, $40 at Walmart, and add it to her next bill. She liked that idea, and said she would discuss with her DH and let me know. In either case, we'll have a car seat by Friday. No worries.
What a great update! So happy for you!
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SilverSabre25 04:01 PM 10-10-2012
Originally Posted by Lilbutterflie:
Thanks SilverSabre, I appreciate what you said. One of the reasons why some of us are afraid to post new topics or questions is for fear that we will be criticized for how we run our business instead of people actually offering advice.

To clear something up; the car seat is required for occasional field trips, spontaneous trips to places like a park or indoor playground; and most importantly for emergencies. In any and all cases, parents are notified IN ADVANCE of any transportation, usually via text. Even if it's spontaneous, it is more like a text or phone call stating "We will be at such and such park. I have my phone with me if you need me for anything." This is ALL discussed during the interview; and honestly I have not had one parent who has been concerned about it as long as they know where their child is at all times. If I run across someone that is not okay with it, they aren't a good fit here.

UPDATE: DCM and I discussed it this morning. She stated she has no problems with her child being transported. She stated she has been waiting for her SIL to give her a carseat that she promised; but they haven't seen her yet. I told DCM that I'd be willing to purchase a Costco Scenara, $40 at Walmart, and add it to her next bill. She liked that idea, and said she would discuss with her DH and let me know. In either case, we'll have a car seat by Friday. No worries.
You're welcome. Mods are here to help.

I'm so glad you have a good solution! Cosco Scenera is a good cheap seat, that'll do fine. They are stupid though, we have one and I hate it. Not user friendly *at all*. At least, mine isn't. The straps are a pain in the a** to adjust.
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Meeko 06:37 AM 10-11-2012
Completely off topic....my boys are grown now, but I LOVED their carseats. They were Fisher Price. They adjusted just like adult seatbelts. The straps came over their heads and clipped in.... and it didn't matter if they were in shorts and t-shirts, or bulky snowsuits. No adjustments needed. No need to adjust for growth, other than a higher or lower setting for height.

I am assuming that as safety standards changed...they were deemed unsafe But I LOVED "EM at the time!

It would be nice if they could make something similar that met safety standards. I hated my daughters car seats a decade later. So much strap adjustment etc.

Sorry...just a random thought as I was reading! Please indulge an old lady LOL!!!
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