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youretooloud 09:40 PM 06-13-2013
Someone on another board on facebook claims she got a call for childcare, and the son's name was Lucifer.

The provider turned them down because she advertises as a Christian Daycare.

Now, I personally think the caller was just yanking her chain, but she claims it was really the boy's name (they never met, never interviewed)

Would you turn down this family if they had named their son Lucifer?

*true story though... one of my daycare parents has a student named Sinner.
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littlemissmuffet 09:56 PM 06-13-2013


I'm an athiest... so the kid would be welcome here!

Let's not forget that Lucifer means "morning star" or "bringer of light".
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MyAngels 05:02 AM 06-14-2013
Lucifer wouldn't bother me, but Damien, no way - those Omen movies scared me half to death .
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daycarediva 05:34 AM 06-14-2013
I try not to judge others, I am an atheist and would accept a child into care without discrimination as long as I thought it was a good fit for my program.

We know a couple with a son named Aliester, and they are a wonderful family.
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JenNJ 05:38 AM 06-14-2013
I don't care what a child is named unless it is a vulgar word. Lucifer wouldn't bother me at all.
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countrymom 06:04 AM 06-14-2013
wouldn't bother me, but seriously what were they thinking when they named their child. That would be awful in school.
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Crazy8 06:08 AM 06-14-2013
my first thought was isn't that a Marvel comics villian name?? So yeah, I would take the kid.
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Blackcat31 06:12 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by MyAngels:
Lucifer wouldn't bother me, but Damien, no way - those Omen movies scared me half to death .
Lol! Ive had several Damiens. My DD's best friend all through high school is named Reagan (The Exorcist) lol!

Originally Posted by daycarediva:
We know a couple with a son named Aliester, and they are a wonderful family.
What's that name from? I dont connect it with anything.
It is also one of my DCK's middle names....
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littlemissmuffet 06:25 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by Blackcat31:
Lol! Ive had several Damiens. My DD's best friend all through high school is named Reagan (The Exorcist) lol!



What's that name from? I dont connect it with anything.
It is also one of my DCK's middle names....
The Great Beast... Aleister Crowley.
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Cradle2crayons 07:01 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by MyAngels:
Lucifer wouldn't bother me, but Damien, no way - those Omen movies scared me half to death .
Lol my sons name is Damian and my mother refuses to call him that. We call him " little man" and have since before he was born. He knows his name though but it's little man for us.
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EchoMom 07:10 AM 06-14-2013
It sounds like a prank. But honestly, I would not take a child named Lucifer. Even if I were ok with it, other parents might not be and they might not like their child talking about their friend Lucifer at home. I wouldn't want my DS running around talking about Lucifer. More importantly, anyone who would name their child Lucifer is probably not a family I would mesh with. If they were foreign and it didn't have the same conotation then maybe the family would be totally fine but I still wouldn't like that name getting around to all the families homes.

My families are all professional white collar families. Nothing wrong with blue collar, just stating a fact. I had one family that were blue collar and acted like a bunch of yahoos. Of course I'm not saying that all blue collar people act that way, just saying this one particular family did. The dad would pick up his son in his jeep and be hanging out of the jeep yelling "Woo woo!" down the street (The DAD not the son!). The son would go home with no seatbelt on (5 years old) hanging out the back of the Jeep. Sometimes he would pick the child up on his motorcycle and throw his giant adult sized helmet on him. Other parents saw this and were appalled. The boy would come to daycare with fresh wounds and burnes from his motor cross races. It really really was not an image I was comfortable with representing my daycare. I ended up terming for other very objective reasons, but these were also factors in my decision as well.

True story, when my mom was still a classroom teacher she had a child named "MyAngel" not "Angel" but "MYangel!" So my mom always had to say "Yes, MyAngel?" She also had a student named "Messaiah" and we weren't very comfortable with that either.
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Willow 07:25 AM 06-14-2013
Honestly? I would make assumptions about the type of people inclined to name their child such a thing and probably not agree to even an interview.

Same would apply if someone told me their child was named anything listed here http://m.parentdish.co.uk/2012/03/20...us-baby-names/

Anus? Smelly Head? hgdsstuopkjgdsgjgdq3579?-% or whatever the heck it was......sorry, but I think it would be more than safe to assume I would not mesh with people that believed anything like that was acceptable to weigh their child's life down with.


You want to be that level of stupid? Fine, change your own name to whatever you want regardless of how much it will offend everyone around you.....but don't do that to a child when childhood can be plenty tough to navigate as it is.
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Unregistered 07:29 AM 06-14-2013
Names of children that have played sports with my children or parents that are teachers have told me:

Little Man-Legal name/parents want him to choose his name when he's older

Jet Black

Felon-Yep, guess parents were representing the family well

Heaven
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preschoolteacher 07:34 AM 06-14-2013
It's a strange name choice, that's for sure. Depending on the vibe I got from the person over the phone, I would probably agree to interview. I'd definitely be on the lookout for red flags during the interview though, more so than on a normal interview, that's for sure...

Whether you're an atheist or not, when someone names their child what another religion calls their devil/evil power, it definitely raises some eyebrows!

Although to be completely objective, Lucifer is kind of a nice-sounding name, goes along with the Lucy, Luca, Lucas trend, and it's literal meaning is very nice! The negative connotations ruin all of that, though.
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Leigh 07:38 AM 06-14-2013
I'd much prefer Lucifer to seeing one more kid named Neveah (PUKE), Jayden, Jaeden, Jaden, or any other form of that, Jaylen, Braxton, Madysyn, Jaxson...I could go on and on with this all day. Lucifer would be so preferable.
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preschoolteacher 07:50 AM 06-14-2013
Oh... Madysyn? Is that supposed to be Madison? I really am not a fan of "creative" spelling!!
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youretooloud 08:29 AM 06-14-2013
I would also not take a child with that name. It sounds negative, and it makes me question the parent's interest in the child's success in life. Usually, as parents we do whatever it takes to give our kids the best chance in life.

This particular woman is very sweet. She recently went to Kansas city, and was horrified to hear a woman cursing out loud in public. She said they were "Vile curse words" She'd "never heard of such a thing".

So, in her case.... i'd have absolutely turned them down.

One year I had sisters called Rebel and Rage. The parents really, really wanted the little biker chicks who would rebel against authority. But, instead both girls were sweet little pleaser kids who wanted nothing more than to wear a princess dress to school. They had those bedazzled light up tennis shoes (twinkle toes) and that was the most Bad*** thing they had.

So, sometimes, no matter how you envision your kids to be, they turn out to be who they are going to be in-spite of the parents.
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melilley 10:20 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Names of children that have played sports with my children or parents that are teachers have told me:

Little Man-Legal name/parents want him to choose his name when he's older

Jet Black

Felon-Yep, guess parents were representing the family well

Heaven
Sorry, I had to laugh at this post! Felon? WTH?
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melilley 10:22 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by Leigh:
I'd much prefer Lucifer to seeing one more kid named Neveah (PUKE), Jayden, Jaeden, Jaden, or any other form of that, Jaylen, Braxton, Madysyn, Jaxson...I could go on and on with this all day. Lucifer would be so preferable.
Hey-did you know that Nevaeh is Heaven spelled backward?

I can't count how many times that I have heard that. People tell you that when they name their child that and say it like it's never been done before...lol Not a fan either. I do like the other names though...lol
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Laurel 10:26 AM 06-14-2013
I'm an atheist too but somehow that name still gives me the creeps. I suppose I'd interview them and then decide. Maybe they'd let me call him Luc?

I wasn't thrilled when I had a child named Christian but I took him. I know it is a common name but I just don't like it. I got over it though. (Not that I had anything against Christians). Just saying....

Laurel
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daycarediva 10:48 AM 06-14-2013
I'm really surprised you didn't know who Aleister Crowley was. Our snakes name is "Mr. Crowley" and my son goes 'da-na-na-na' (like the song) everytime we open his cage. It's cute.

I loathe all names with y's where i's are supposed to go. Neveah sounds like a stripper, not heaven.

Also- to the pp who said that 'blue colar' people sometimes act like yahoos. My dh is a plumber, and he makes more than my lawyer dcd. The dcd who is a partner at his firm, we see his commercials on tv locally. THAT was an interesting conversation with those two. One in a suit and miserable, my dh covered in dirt, wearing jeans and work boots, who loves his job.

That same lawyer dcd loves to hunt and owns a jeep. My dh is a vegetarian and is pursuing a masters degree. You NEVER know.
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daycarediva 10:50 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by Laurel:
I'm an atheist too but somehow that name still gives me the creeps. I suppose I'd interview them and then decide. Maybe they'd let me call him Luc?

I wasn't thrilled when I had a child named Christian but I took him. I know it is a common name but I just don't like it. I got over it though. (Not that I had anything against Christians). Just saying....

Laurel
That is an AWESOME point!

Why is Christian so acceptable and Lucifer is not?

Lucifer was an angels name, correct? So Michael should be offensive? I know a grown man named Judas (Jude for short) and I <3 that name.
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Willow 11:04 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
That is an AWESOME point!

Why is Christian so acceptable and Lucifer is not?

Lucifer was an angels name, correct? So Michael should be offensive? I know a grown man named Judas (Jude for short) and I <3 that name.

Lucifer is just another name for Satan and/or is closely related to that level of evil for many.

The word Christian doesn't have that same negative connotation to most.



One is likely to have a heck of time with college admission boards, getting hired on anywhere but a bar or tattoo parlor and earning the respect of the mother and father of any potential partner he finds.

The other will (like it or not) more than likely have an advantage even if the two were identical in every other way.

You can call it discrimination but we ALL do it on some level. It's human nature to develop preconceived notions based on societal norms.
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EntropyControlSpecialist 11:19 AM 06-14-2013
Eh, wouldn't bother me and I'm a conservative Christian.
My own name is in the title of a movie about something Satanic AND I am Rosemary's baby. So, there we go.
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youretooloud 11:26 AM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by Willow:
Lucifer is just another name for Satan and/or is closely related to that level of evil for many.

The word Christian doesn't have that same negative connotation to most.



One is likely to have a heck of time with college admission boards, getting hired on anywhere but a bar or tattoo parlor and earning the respect of the mother and father of any potential partner he finds.

The other will (like it or not) more than likely have an advantage even if the two were identical in every other way.

You can call it discrimination but we ALL do it on some level. It's human nature to develop preconceived notions based on societal norms.
Right. I'm not so open minded that I don't think of these things. I don't think anybody is, they just say "I never judge", but they still judge. It's human nature.
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bunnyslippers 11:42 AM 06-14-2013
I would not refuse a child into care because of his name, unless it was something blatantly offensive. There is a family who named their child Adolf Hitler. Now that is a child I would turn away, because the parents are clearly nutso.

When I was a classroom teacher, I had a little girl in my class named Virgin. True Story.
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MNMommy2 12:06 PM 06-14-2013
I would certainly hesitate, as it would make me question the parents if nothing else. I despise the name Damien, as well. Why would you purposely give your child a name with such negative connotations?

I have NO idea who Aleister Crowley is, though I have heard the name before. Even after looking him up quick, I am not sure... was he a Satanist? It said he was an occultist, not sure what that means...
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Cradle2crayons 01:38 PM 06-14-2013
My husband chose our sons name (Damian) and he named him that because there wasn't that name in either of our families and then he gave a family middle name. Personally I could care less what someone chooses to name their child or why. If it were the name lucifer, I'd kindly ask mom if we could call him something else for short just to prevent a future issue and keep on rocking.

A name is a name and if I were to be the judgmental type then I'd not take kids of parents with tats or piercings.... Or I'd not let my child play softball with a child whose dads name was lucifer.... And then I'd be teaching my children all the judgmental crap that will one day get the junk beaten out of them Ina dark alley.

Personally I'm rather accepting and prefer to base relationships on the person and not their name... Or tats... Or religious preferences.... Etc... I can't teach my kids acceptance if I don't model that behavior.
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Laurel 01:52 PM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
That is an AWESOME point!

Why is Christian so acceptable and Lucifer is not?

Lucifer was an angels name, correct? So Michael should be offensive? I know a grown man named Judas (Jude for short) and I <3 that name.
I've been an atheist so long that I don't remember who is who in religion circles. I was raised a Christian and learned it all at one time.

Laurel
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Laurel 01:57 PM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by bunnyslippers:
I would not refuse a child into care because of his name, unless it was something blatantly offensive. There is a family who named their child Adolf Hitler. Now that is a child I would turn away, because the parents are clearly nutso.

When I was a classroom teacher, I had a little girl in my class named Virgin. True Story.
I saw that one the news. I think the bakery refused to sell them a birthday cake that said "Happy Birthday Adolph Hitlter" as I recall.

I'd have to pass on that family too.

Laurel
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AmyKidsCo 02:12 PM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by JenNJ:
I don't care what a child is named unless it is a vulgar word. Lucifer wouldn't bother me at all.
Me too.
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Leigh 03:21 PM 06-14-2013
Originally Posted by melilley:
Hey-did you know that Nevaeh is Heaven spelled backward?

I can't count how many times that I have heard that. People tell you that when they name their child that and say it like it's never been done before...lol Not a fan either. I do like the other names though...lol
WOW...heaven spelled backward...those parents are SOOOOO creative!
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Starburst 02:16 PM 06-15-2013
I always wondered if I would turn away a kid if I didn't like their name (there are some names I just cannot stand) or couldn't pronounce it but I know I would try to see how the kid is before I judged them based on their name. You could always try to call him "Lu" or "Luce" (though that sounds like a nickname for "Lucy" or "Lucile").

But yeah that does sound like a prank, especially if she is advertising as a 'Christian-based' daycare. But I would still be careful because it could be a serious inquiry and they could report her for discrimination.

But who knows maybe they are from another country/culture/religion and they heard that name and liked it but didn't know of its negative associations in western society or it has another meaning in their culture or they named them after someone else. Lucifer is also the name of the cat from Cinderella (though it was a mean cat). I liked the names Sapphire or Sapphira for a girl, but I found out Sapphira is a biblical name (didn't know that before) and its associated with a negative biblical character: http://www.todayschristianwoman.com/...rch/10.60.html. So I am leaning more towards Sapphire.
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MsLaura529 02:54 PM 06-15-2013
Just wanted to comment on some of the weird spelling names -

When I was subbing, a 4th grade girl has the name Crstl (pronounced Crystal, but spelled without any vowels ...) I think that one bothered me the most. My SIL is a kindergarten teacher and has had, MORE THAN ONCE, a kid with random silent letters thrown into the name. Weird.
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Starburst 03:24 PM 06-15-2013
Originally Posted by MsLaura529:
Just wanted to comment on some of the weird spelling names -

When I was subbing, a 4th grade girl has the name Crstl (pronounced Crystal, but spelled without any vowels ...) I think that one bothered me the most. My SIL is a kindergarten teacher and has had, MORE THAN ONCE, a kid with random silent letters thrown into the name. Weird.
My name is uncommon to begin with but people always ask me if I spell it with 1 R or 2 R's (I spell it with 1 BTW). I think it would be weird to spell it "Starr" it looks like it would be pronounced "Star-ar"- it looks like a typo to me. Sometimes my school even spelt it wrong, but in that case it didn't help that my middle name starts with an R. A few years ago I actually thought about if I named a future daughter "Sapphire" spelling it Sapphyrre, Sapphyre, or even Sapphirre but now I think it just makes it look ghetto.
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Lyss 03:38 PM 06-15-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
I try not to judge others, I am an atheist and would accept a child into care without discrimination as long as I thought it was a good fit for my program.

We know a couple with a son named Aliester, and they are a wonderful family.
"The wickedest man in the world!" I'd have reservations about the parents of a kid that name in an interview! I wouldn't turn them away over it though, I'd probably be nosey and ask! Although I've seen it spelled other ways and never thought about it, maybe its just this spelling that has the connection for me.

Years ago I had a family interested in a center I was director of, the kids name? Reinhard Heinrich (plus a very common, non-German last name) Needless to say mom and dad weren't thrilled to see our multi-cultural dolls/pictures and diverse community.
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EchoMom 06:24 PM 06-15-2013
Originally Posted by daycarediva:
Also- to the pp who said that 'blue colar' people sometimes act like yahoos. My dh is a plumber, and he makes more than my lawyer dcd. The dcd who is a partner at his firm, we see his commercials on tv locally. THAT was an interesting conversation with those two. One in a suit and miserable, my dh covered in dirt, wearing jeans and work boots, who loves his job.

That same lawyer dcd loves to hunt and owns a jeep. My dh is a vegetarian and is pursuing a masters degree. You NEVER know.
I agree, which is why I said

"My families are all professional white collar families. Nothing wrong with blue collar, just stating a fact. I had one family that were blue collar and acted like a bunch of yahoos. Of course I'm not saying that all blue collar people act that way, just saying this one particular family did."
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EchoMom 06:32 PM 06-15-2013
I just recentenltly had an interview with a child named Duke Oliver. I didn't like the name because 1. I was afraid I'd call him Dukey (like poop) accidentally! lol 2. I didn't like addressing a child as princess Fiona, Sir Carter, or DUKE Oliver. 3. It's just too darn long. I asked if he goes by Duke or Oliver and she said he goes by Duke Oliver.

I wouldn't have not taken him for that reason, I ended up not taking him because of schedule reasons. But it wasn't my favorite name and I'm glad I don't have to say it every day. :P
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luv2teach 06:44 PM 06-15-2013
Lucifer was an angel before he fell from Heaven and became Satan. Therefore, that name would not bother me.
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Unregistered 09:35 PM 06-15-2013
I know a parent who thinks calling her kid "thug" and "gangsta" and "sick" is ok.

WTF? The kids all have "ghetto" names except one who has a relatively nice name, and she lets you know how "ghetto" the kids are! You know, her 6yo, her 4yo, and her 1yo baby! I can't stand this woman and she knows it.

I would NEVER take her kids in child care, and not because of what she calls them, but because she's not the type of parent I could respect.
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SilverSabre25 09:57 PM 06-15-2013
Originally Posted by luv2teach:
Lucifer was an angle before he fell from Heaven and became Satan. Therefore, that name would not bother me.
please, I'm not trying to offend you.

but was the angle acute or obtuse?

(I'm sorry, I just happened upon this post at 1 AM in a weird mood after three tiring (but fun!) days and it's one of my typo pet peeves )
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Blackcat31 06:56 AM 06-16-2013
Originally Posted by Lyss:
"The wickedest man in the world!" I'd have reservations about the parents of a kid that name in an interview! I wouldn't turn them away over it though, I'd probably be nosey and ask! Although I've seen it spelled other ways and never thought about it, maybe its just this spelling that has the connection for me.
That's why I questioned it earlier in this thread. I have a DCK who's name is Allistair so the spelling didn't make a connection with me.

Funny how letters can do that.

The same family has a child who has a middle name of Hussein.....I never gave it a second thought! They are a wonderful family and I am guessing it is a cultural thing more than a need to be odd, different or unique...kwim?

I've had my share of funky or weird names over the years. Sometimes I wonder and sometimes I just outright feel badly for the child as the parent obviously didn't think of what it would mean for their child to carry such a moniker.
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Willow 06:32 AM 06-17-2013
Apparently if you would have reservations about parents who would give their child a name that represents evil you are judgemental.....but if you make fun of a parents attempt at giving their child a unique name you are..witty and superior at naming children than others??
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Unregistered 11:43 AM 06-17-2013
Names, names, names, what fun

True story, when I was a child their was a man that lived up the road from us (he could carve beautiful wooden statues using a chainsaw) his name was "Ole Chainsaw" pronounced Oily, the worst part was his last name was Butts so his name was.......exactly.

He lived with a woman whose last name was Weise pronounced "Wise" and their mailbox said "Weise-Butts" on it.


As far as unusual names, I have had a little boy named Ocean, two named Madden ( both parents were amazed anyone else could come up with this name, dd has friends at school named Unique, and Shadie...
I had a lady call yesterday (sounded middle eastern so may be cultural) with a child with a name pronounced "Spuh" I asked if she would spell that for me and she told me Sp.....ummmm okay,

Whatever floats your boat, and when we have another child we would like to name him Damian, maybe for a middle name as I do not want the negativity surrounding my child but I would actually prefer it as a first name, I picked this name out when I was 10 yo and I had never even heard of The Omen....so...
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Cradle2crayons 02:33 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
Names, names, names, what fun

True story, when I was a child their was a man that lived up the road from us (he could carve beautiful wooden statues using a chainsaw) his name was "Ole Chainsaw" pronounced Oily, the worst part was his last name was Butts so his name was.......exactly.

He lived with a woman whose last name was Weise pronounced "Wise" and their mailbox said "Weise-Butts" on it.


As far as unusual names, I have had a little boy named Ocean, two named Madden ( both parents were amazed anyone else could come up with this name, dd has friends at school named Unique, and Shadie...
I had a lady call yesterday (sounded middle eastern so may be cultural) with a child with a name pronounced "Spuh" I asked if she would spell that for me and she told me Sp.....ummmm okay,

Whatever floats your boat, and when we have another child we would like to name him Damian, maybe for a middle name as I do not want the negativity surrounding my child but I would actually prefer it as a first name, I picked this name out when I was 10 yo and I had never even heard of The Omen....so...
Our sons name is Damian Lee .... Lee is a family name of husbands.... Damian was just something unique husband wanted to name him. I like it
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Unregistered 10:03 PM 06-17-2013
Originally Posted by Cradle2crayons:
Our sons name is Damian Lee .... Lee is a family name of husbands.... Damian was just something unique husband wanted to name him. I like it
I love the name. When i married my dh he had children already, we have tried for years w/o luck, but it will happen......My husband asked me about names and I actually was not sure if i wanted to tell him my preference bc by this time i did realize Damian was not the fondest of names with others and my first pick was Damian Asher......still LOVE the name but unfortunately some ppl are just too closed minded and now I "have" to take the whole world into consideration.......blah. We have now settled on Connor Damian...... this thread just unsettled me though and i think we should go with our original choice, hmmmm, we will see. My great gma was named Lee and my sister's middle name is Lee Ann. My middle name is Del Ray. So Lee or Ray could be nicely incorporated also
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Cradle2crayons 10:40 AM 06-18-2013
Originally Posted by Unregistered:
I love the name. When i married my dh he had children already, we have tried for years w/o luck, but it will happen......My husband asked me about names and I actually was not sure if i wanted to tell him my preference bc by this time i did realize Damian was not the fondest of names with others and my first pick was Damian Asher......still LOVE the name but unfortunately some ppl are just too closed minded and now I "have" to take the whole world into consideration.......blah. We have now settled on Connor Damian...... this thread just unsettled me though and i think we should go with our original choice, hmmmm, we will see. My great gma was named Lee and my sister's middle name is Lee Ann. My middle name is Del Ray. So Lee or Ray could be nicely incorporated also
Funny my husbands middle name is ray.
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DaisyMamma 07:18 AM 06-19-2013
I think the question here is that this is a Christian daycare.
Its a tough one because Christians should be accepting to everyone regardless. But I have a funny feeling that the other parents wouldn't like it. As the provider I would interview and question their Christianity and why they named their son Lucifer before making a decision.
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Springdaze 07:28 AM 06-19-2013
I wouldn't care, it just becomes who the person is eventually (the name becomes the person, not the person becoming the name! lol) I personally don't understand why people name their children Jesus, to me there's only one, but its not my kid!
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crazydaycarelady 07:57 AM 06-19-2013
I don't think I would take the child. Like others have said you have to wonder if the parents want a successful well adjusted child, which may be hard if the child is always being judged for his name (which he will be.) But mostly because I think my other dcparents might find it offensive.
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Michelle 10:21 AM 06-19-2013
The minute that kid does something wrong...
it will be "Lucifer did it!" or a parent will say.." well with a name like that... no wonder" ( I would never say that but I know a few parents that would!"
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tuszak 03:52 PM 06-19-2013
Well said Echo Mom! ....I couldn't have a child in my home with that name for the same reasons.
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Angelsj 04:22 PM 06-19-2013
Originally Posted by SilverSabre25:
please, I'm not trying to offend you.

but was the angle acute or obtuse?

(I'm sorry, I just happened upon this post at 1 AM in a weird mood after three tiring (but fun!) days and it's one of my typo pet peeves )
Also one of mine
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Joldie5 04:23 PM 06-20-2013
Originally Posted by EchoMom:
I just recentenltly had an interview with a child named Duke Oliver. I didn't like the name because 1. I was afraid I'd call him Dukey (like poop) accidentally! lol 2. I didn't like addressing a child as princess Fiona, Sir Carter, or DUKE Oliver. 3. It's just too darn long. I asked if he goes by Duke or Oliver and she said he goes by Duke Oliver.

I wouldn't have not taken him for that reason, I ended up not taking him because of schedule reasons. But it wasn't my favorite name and I'm glad I don't have to say it every day. :P
To Funny...Dukey LOL
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