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Old 12-06-2011, 10:09 AM
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Seriously, do these parents honestly think that $120.00 for the month is gonna pay for anything?

I am beyond broke, cant even afford to throw both my son's a birthday party, and then there is christmas........

I may even have to consider using the food bank this month, just to make sure I can feed your kids. Not even worrying about my own.

Sorry for the pity party, but my hubby just told me to get rid of the part time families and find full time ones, but no one has ever inquired me about full time care.

Im so sick of this.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:12 AM
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I have all part time families - but a weekly minimum equal to 3 1/2 days whether they come 1 or 3 days. I don't always fill their off days (they do have set days) so if they need care on another day, it's an extra $40 but parents love that I'm available to do that. I had one fam pay my minimum for 1 day of care the first 3 months. They knew daddy had to work overseas for a few months, and used me all 3 days (sometimes 5 if gma was on vacation) during those months. Same rate.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:12 AM
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I'm so sorry you're going through this. Believe me. I've been there. The worst part was we made too much money to qualify for the food bank! Just wanted to send you good thoughts.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:14 AM
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It is hard. I wouldn't get rid of any kids, but I'd replace them if I could.

If you can't make ends meet, maybe stop doing any childcare, and work opposite shifts from your husband so you aren't putting the kids in daycare. Even an $8 an hour job is better than nothing if you aren't paying for childcare.

As for the party, can you do just a nice free party? We never had expensive parties as kids, just the free ones that only required dinner and a cake.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:32 AM
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My parents pay me a daily rate of $30.00 a day, cause some days the kids are only here 1 day a week.

They dont pay me when their kids are not here, they dont think they should have too, same as holidays, and if they call in sick they expect to be credited next month.

If I could get a job outside the house, I would. But my hubby gets sent out of town with no notice, does not have a set work schedual, and if I had to work during school holidays, I have no one to watch my own kids.

I am stuck, I have had to take extra kids to fill spots for extra money. I have 9 dck's, but never here all together on the same days. I have told these parents that I have all of these kids but I am never over my daily limit.

I guess I could think about working an evening job, but there is always that fact of my hubby's work.
And what would these parents think about me working at night? ( i live in a small town so you are always guarenteed to bump into someone)
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:45 AM
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It sounds like you may need to come up with a new way of doing business. I have only part-time kids and I make around $2000 a month (if you factor in that I'm not paying for childcare for my daughter). They pay when they're sick and they pay when they take vacations. They also have to sign an agreementfor specific days they need care and pay for those day whether they're here or not. Without these rules I'd be broke too

I'm so sorry you're going trough this but you can turn it around!!
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:59 AM
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So if I have a dcb who is only here for 45 min on tuesdays what do I charge her? She pays me $5 for the hour. His sister is $30 a day cause she is wth me all day. Then on some wednesdays they are only here for 2 hours.

Im just confused on what to charge these families cause some are only here for 1 day a week.

Or do I just tell all of these families that I will no longer be doing a daily rate?

I dont know what to do.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:03 AM
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I know that if I start charging $400 a month per child, I will lose all of my kids.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:03 AM
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It sounds like you may need to come up with a new way of doing business. I have only part-time kids and I make around $2000 a month (if you factor in that I'm not paying for childcare for my daughter). They pay when they're sick and they pay when they take vacations. They also have to sign an agreementfor specific days they need care and pay for those day whether they're here or not. Without these rules I'd be broke too

I'm so sorry you're going trough this but you can turn it around!!
I agree. It may be time to make some changes.

You can tell them "A minimum of two days per week even if the child isn't here".

I'd be flexible on what two days though. I'd even be willing to make it four days one week, and no days the next week. As long as they pay, I'll accommodate them.

But, you need to have an income. There's nothing wrong with doing that in this economy.

I'd still try to find more reliable families to make this job more worth while. It's a great job, but you can't enjoy doing it if you are stressed and feeling taken advantage of.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:19 AM
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So if I have a dcb who is only here for 45 min on tuesdays what do I charge her? She pays me $5 for the hour. His sister is $30 a day cause she is wth me all day. Then on some wednesdays they are only here for 2 hours.

Im just confused on what to charge these families cause some are only here for 1 day a week.

Or do I just tell all of these families that I will no longer be doing a daily rate?

I dont know what to do.
Do you have a part-time rate? I think you should get rid of the hourly rate. For example I charge $25 for up to 4 hours. After that it's a full day rate of $40 per day (one family pays $47 per day). One family wanted care for 5 hours so I charged them a full day rate because it was over the part-time 4 hours. You really need to be a stickler. If they want their kid in your care for 45 minutes they need to pay you $15-$20 (your part-time rate) whether the kid is there for 10 minutes or 4 hours.

They also need to sign a piece of paper saying which days they need care. When they're not there they still are required to pay. Payment is based on enrollment not days they are or are not there. You can be flexible with days but they need to agree to a set amount that doesn't change. I would also start asking for 2-3 month in advance post dated checks so you don't have people not showing and not paying you. If you want to be more flexible you could charge a "drop in rate" of $40 per day. This will give parents an incentive to sign saying what days they want rather than pay an extra $10 per day for random drop offs.

Bottom line is that some parents will be mad and may leave, but in the end you'll get better clients I think and will enjoy your job and make a good wage. You are providing a service for children and you deserve to make a decent wage. It angers me that you're having trouble putting food on the table. Set up a plan to get through while you're making these changes. Can you offer night time babysitting or something that's seperate from the daycare business? Are there agencies you can contact that can help you get more kids or place kids in your care?

What do you think?
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:26 AM
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As far as you working an evening job and the parents finding out.....seriously, it is none of their darn business. None at all.

You need to look out for yourself. Hardest thing to do in the business. Still struggling with that after 13 years.

You need to rewrite your contract, and if you don't have one, get one.

Part timers.... 2 day minimum per week=guaranteed $60 per week per family. No half day rates.
Schoolagers....minimum $25 per kid, and go from there. If you can't make $25 per kid it is not worth having them.

Pay whether you are here or not, vacations, holidays, sick days included.

Sibling discounts....be careful with this. You can loose a lot of money giving them, unfortunately where I live, it is expected.

I have a 5 day rate, a 4 day rate, and a 3 day rate. I hav a 3 day minimum. The less days here the more per day. Schoolagers are $35 per 1st kid for 4 or5 days--$55 for 2 kids for 4 or 5 days. Or $25 per week minimum for 1 schoolager 3 days or less. It does get confusing, I come up with a rate based on families needs and that is my weekly rate. School cancellations get added fees.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:43 AM
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First, for the party, I make cupcakes or cake for my kids. We invite a few of their friends and family. Nothing elaborate. Cake, ice cream, chips.

Second, what you do outside of your daycare hours is none of the parents business.

Third, if you do not have a contract, get one ASAP. This is necessary. I have a 3 day min. that is paid even if a child is here less then 3 days. I do not charge for holidays or my vacation. However, if a child is not in childcare for any reason, sickness or other arrangements, I still get paid. For the families vacation, they get 1 week at 1/2 rate after that full payment is required.

You could tell them that their rate does not include meals and that they need to provide lunch for their child. Not sure how that would work.

I do hope things improve for you. But, you need to be in charge of your business, not the parents.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:52 AM
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Revamp your contract and give notice to your existing families.

They need to give you their schedule for the next week on Friday. If they want Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, they pay $90 that Friday for those 3 days next week. If Sally is sick on Tuesday, too bad, so sad. Days are non transferable. If they want to add another day to make up for Tuesday, that'll be another $30 payable at the time of drop off.

Any child there whether it be 45 minutes or 4 hours is charged at a 1/2 days rate.

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Regardless of part time or not, you get paid holidays. Take Thanksgiving for example: You were closed Thursday and more than likely Friday.

If you had 1 child there Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, you charge $150 for the entire week.

If you had a child there only Monday, you charge $90 to include Thursday and Friday.

I really think you are selling yourself short.
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Old 12-06-2011, 12:17 PM
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(((((Hugs))))). I want to cry when I read about people that work hard and still can't make ends meet. I feel your pain. I've been there. Hang on for dear life, that's all we can do. The first year we were open as a child care center, I cared for kids from 730am to 530pm and delivered pizzas from 6-11pm. It nearly killed me. I'm not a religious person, but I do believe this: "the meek shall inherit the earth." If you do have to go to the food bank, know there is no shame in that and you will likely be surrounded by loving, non-judgemental people who care.
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Old 12-06-2011, 01:50 PM
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Seriously, do these parents honestly think that $120.00 for the month is gonna pay for anything?

I am beyond broke, cant even afford to throw both my son's a birthday party, and then there is christmas........

I may even have to consider using the food bank this month, just to make sure I can feed your kids. Not even worrying about my own.

Sorry for the pity party, but my hubby just told me to get rid of the part time families and find full time ones, but no one has ever inquired me about full time care.

Im so sick of this.
At least they didn't ask for a 1/2 price discount for "Tis The Season". Yep, its happened and it was a flooring moment.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:16 PM
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At least they didn't ask for a 1/2 price discount for "Tis The Season". Yep, its happened and it was a flooring moment.
She did in august before I even took her kids on. Did I give discounts cause Im not licenced and daycare is expensive?

I said nope to sibling discounts and any discount she wanted so she figured she would only pay me for the hour her son is here afterschool on tuesdays and the 2 hours that both kids are here every 2nd wednesday.

So im gonna raise my daily and hourly rate across the board.

Funny, she is a pharmacist and her hubby works for an oil and gas company.

I am gonna hit their wallet and if they dont like it, they can leave I guess.
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She did in august before I even took her kids on. Did I give discounts cause Im not licenced and daycare is expensive?

I said nope to sibling discounts and any discount she wanted so she figured she would only pay me for the hour her son is here afterschool on tuesdays and the 2 hours that both kids are here every 2nd wednesday.

So im gonna raise my daily and hourly rate across the board.

Funny, she is a pharmacist and her hubby works for an oil and gas company.

I am gonna hit their wallet and if they dont like it, they can leave I guess.

I say set a FLAT part time rate and a FLAT full time rate

For example:

Part time 1 to 3 days a week- 75 a week
Full time 4 to 5 days a week- 125 a week
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Old 12-07-2011, 06:29 AM
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Oh, honey, I'm so sorry you're going through this! (((HUGS)))

I agree with the idea of raising your rates and either requiring a set schedule or a flat rate. I charge $30/day for part time and only about $24/day for full-time. For a partial day (up to 4 hours) I charge $20.

How much more do you need to be making each month to make ends meet? Can you take a couple of overnight kids or second shift kids?

Can you apply for any state assistance (food stamps, etc)?
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:08 AM
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I charge 30 dollars a day for full time
55 for 2 kids full time

20 dollars for anything under 4 hours, I DON'T DO hourly anymore, I had parents who would leave their kids here for 3.5hours and want to pay for 3 hours, so I did change this.

also, I only charge 5 dollars for one hour for afterschool kids, after that, its 20 dollars.

I also don't take kids for 1 day a week, way too much head ache and totally not worth it. And I find that I dread those children. Also, you need to get the parents to give you a schedual every week and slot in children so you can have full days. I have partimers that come come everyday for half a day.

also start advertising, buy a shirt with your name on it, pin buisiness cards everywhere, esp. grocery stores. And get a sign and put it on your front yard, this is the best advertising for me, and because i live in a small town everyone knows that i'm the daycare lady. Yes there are 2 in homes that charge less then me, but you get what you pay for.
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I know how tough it is. I have 1 ft family and 3 pt families. You need to find out what the going rate is for dc in your area and go from there. I would go to a flat rate. I have my families pay for enrollment not attendance and I have never had a complaint. You could have the dc families bring there own meals, that would take some of the burden off trying to feed everyone. Alot of providers in my area are going to that.
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