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Starting A Week Of Frustration
DCF1 comes in and hands me a "chart" of different kinds of poop and tells me that I have to monitor dcg age 3 1/2 for 5 days and chart her poop, when, how much, and what kind......for the next 5 days.......They took her to the doctor last Thursday and was told to do this.....and I ask.....Why didn't you do this the over the long weekend that you had her at home....oh wait, it is easier to have the dcprovider do it. I don't get paid enought to montor crap. I really don't understand what the issue is here with this girl anyways, she shows no signs of issues with her poop or peeing abilities here, and I have her 4 days a week and gma the other day. Sometimes I think some parents like "things to be wrong with their kids". Crazy to me.
DCF2 comes in and tells me dcg 2 1/2 is in panties that she went pee and poop over the weekend in the toilet....hmm, last week you were saying how she peed all over pretty much everyday. Wow, I had a diaper on her within 30 seconds after parent left. My rules for potty training are 2 weeks in pullups accident free, with child coming to me telling me they have to pee. Hmm, this child has never told me she has to pee, and I am not allowing her to be in my home in panties. This is crazy. I love this parent, but obviously they just don't think about the consequences of putting a 2 1/2 yr old in panties that has never once told the provider they have to go pee and has not showed any signs of potty training at all here. It is amazing to me the number of providers/parents that think it is ok for kids to use the floors/furniture as a potty during the potty training process. That is just gross. Gonna be a good week.
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Scoop poop and place in baggie... Punch pin holes in baggie.... Place baggie in lunch (paper) sack.... Then walk parent and child to the car.... Place paper bag on the front seat of car.... Squeeze bag some.... And say... Have a wonderful evening! Sorry, just thought you would get a laugh out of this!! |
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You can keep a diaper on her and continue to take her to the potty. I don't see the big deal. Personally, as a parent I can't imagine thinking that it was someone else's "job" to potty train my child, and I would be absolutely mortified at the thought of one of my own having an accident on the floor or furniture at someone else's house. I guess the difference is that I've been on both sides of the fence here. Most parents mean well but don't take the time to think of things from a provider point of view. |
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I put a dipe over undies for two solid weeks after each accident period I won't allow someone to pee on my stuff. I would offer to take pic of poop and text it to them that's as far as I would go lol
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The diaper is OVER the panties......I def don't get paid enough to have a child peeing and potty training on my carpet and furniture. The is digusting and very unsanitary. We have policies in place for a reason, sure would be nice if the parents would read and adhere to them.
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I would be livid if I took my kid to daycare and the provider put a diaper on them after they used the potty all weekend, if you don't want to deal with accidents that 2 years old make when potty training, don't watch 2 year olds.
Children learn to potty train much faster when they feel that they had an accident and it's uncomfortable, they don't want to feel wet and poopy, therefore to avoid that feeling, they use the potty. Will there be accidents during this process? Yes, that's part of the deal. Potty training has to be consistant, she can't be in underwear at home and diapers at daycare. |
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I wouldn't chart for a parent who is too lazy to do it themselves over the previous long weekend.....it kills me that dcp is trying to impress on you how "important" the charting is yet they can't be troubled to DO IT THEMSELVES! Just put the chart in diaper bag and if they ask about it say "my job (gesture towards your houseful of ankle biters!) doesn't allow for the extra time to chart poops. Maybe you should do this over the weekend." then smile. Yuck....no way!
Sorry that you are having to deal with drama Mac60! Good Luck |
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Spoken from someone who surely hasn't potty trained the masses. Group care is different than one to one care friend. Think of the OTHER kids. You want your baby crawling around in another kids urine or confined into a playpen while the provider cleans the mess and the carpet dries? It's easy to say it's not hard when it's not your carpet, couch, equipment. What they do at home doesn't have diddly to do with what I do here. I've had kids that were potty trained at my house for over a year before they went in undies at home. I've had kids trained at home for a year before they went in undies here. Those are extreme examples but it does happen. I don't do potty training based on what ONE kid needs. I do it based on what is best for the group, my business, and my staff time. Parents saying a kid was in undies all weekend is usually just the words "she's been great all weekend with no accidents". VERY often you find out (usually from the Dad) that indeed the kid DID have accidents and was taken to the potty every half hour or something impossible to replicate in a group. Just because a parent says the WORDS "she's trained" doesn't mean that the child is even within a year of being potty trained. What matters is what the child does in the GROUP. There's a HUGE incentive to have kids wear underwear in day care. The cost of diapers is no longer a parent responsibility and it forces the provider to train the kid even if the parents aren't doing a single thing at home. Get hit with that a couple of times and see how the profit from that kid can go up in smoke with all the one to one care, cleaning, and replacement of equipment/furniture. If the kid is potty trained she will potty in the potty regardless of what's on her bum. I've only had two accidents in my home for the last nine years. I don't put kids into undies until I'm ready to. Parent words don't affect my decision. I base it on the kids ability not parents words. |
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As for DCF2, if you have it in your policy what your potty training policy is (waiting until they're accident free at home for whatever your specified time is, then you will allow panties in daycare). They signed the contract and policy right? So he should be okay with it when you enforce it. Personally we do allow children in panties at daycare when the parents are using them at home already, but I can certainly see both sides of this (and the provider's who have it in their policy that they won't do panties until child is accident free at home for 2 weeks or whatever probably have more experience than me on potty training.) Anyway, I can see why most providers choose not to allow panties yet (because we have dealt with waaaay too many accidents on furniture and carpets, etc, and it seems very unsanitary to me!), but because we agree that children don't see any difference between pull ups or diapers and will go in their pants as long as they have something on we encourage the parents to send them in panties. We have some who are completely potty trained, but for some reason they sometimes come in with a pull up on, so they'll just go in it until we realize that they're wearing one! Sometimes the parents forget to bring panties or underwear, so they just tell us to keep a pull up on them. The children will just use the pull up then instead of the potty. Maybe it's laziness, or they forget to go to the potty as long as they have that pull up feeling, but either way, they won't go on the potty as long as that pull up is on. But the messes that makes is just awful when you have several potty training at once! We DO wait until the parents use panties on them at home with success for a little while before we begin here, like I said earlier. SO if this is the first time they've used panties on her and it was only over the weekend, I would tell him you'll wait until she can go awhile at home with good progress, before you'll use panties at daycare. Just remind him of your policy and let him know that you'll be putting her in diapers or pull ups at daycare (if that's what you decide to continue doing). Go |
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Mac: I thought of you and this post last night! I was talking to dcm who was going to start potty training at home this week (I don't have dcg this week). Mom said it's going great, but she's had a few accidents. I asked if she's saying when she has to go and mom said no, they are setting a timer and going every 30 MINUTES! Are you kidding me? There must be something in the air with potty training this week! I'm the same as you regarding undies and pull ups. I told mom that if dcg can't stay dry for an hour-hour and a hafl, then we wont' be doing it at my house. It's just ridiculous. I totally understand your frustration!
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DCF 2: I guess I am from the old school but I don't believe in pull-ups. To me, they are just a diaper. If a child has an accident or can't be bothered, then they aren't ready. Back in a diaper they go. When I was at my former center, I would be the one to request the child to go straight into underwear. The only time the child would be in diapers would be at nap time. Then I would put the diaper on and then the underwear over that so after nap I would just take off the diaper. Sure we had accidents. ALL kids have accidents. I would give them 2 chances. After the second accident, then in the diaper they go until the next day. I agree with the other poster that the child will be confused if they are in underwear at home and diapers/pull ups at the providers home/daycare. As for your family Mac maybe you need to remind them of your policy. Do you have a separate handout sheet detailing that you require pull ups etc.? |
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I never allowed my own children to pee or poop on the carpet, furniture, etc. so why would I ever think about allowing daycare children to do this!! No way!! THey are in pullups or diapers until fully potty trained, this means, accident free for quite some time, and goes on their own without any assistance from myself(this comes from my contract)
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As far as kids falling in, slipping in, being exposed to a potty training kids "accident", that's ridiculous, if they wet their pants 99% of the "accident" is contained to the child themself, there won't be puddles lying around, lets not be so dramatic. Sorry, you sound lazy, kids have accidents, clean it up and move on. |
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I refuse to allow puddles either. I'm not lazy I just think the sanitation concerns outweigh the benefits. Yes they learn faster when they feel the wetness but they learn even faster when you wait until they are ready to learn. It should not take months or weeks even. It should be days. If the child is ready that's the key. I care for 10 kids ages 6 weeks to 5 years. Lots of children have been through my program over the last 22years.
I think containing the mess is the key. And the main issue most providers have. I will continue to diaper over unders until the day I close. Because for me it is just my policy. Parents either agree with it or go elsewhere. Quote:
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I am with you!...100% no way am I having a little one who has been *quote* "potty trained" for two days go piddle, piddle, puddle all over my house! My house, my rules! I decide when lil one goes from diapers to panties at my house-not parents. They can do what they want at their own house. I have a large brood of my own children and only one was potty trained on his second birthday and NEVER made an accident. All the rest had accidents occasionally. With my own kids it was quilted undies with rubber pants over and then when no accidents on to undies. NO PULL UPS! With my dc kiddies it is diapers then undies. NO PULL UPS! I child hasn't been potty trained if I am reminding him and taking him to the potty every half hour or so. They are potty trained when they tell me they need to go. I hope the rest of your week has improved. |
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um, YEAH there ARE puddles! I've had "oh, she's been in underwear at home for 3 days" (never once asked to go potty ever) and then the first 30 minutes she's here, the puddle on the floor. Hope your week improves!!
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Mac60, how's the poop charting going? Did you say anything to DCF1? |
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It aint personal. It's gravity. Taking kids to the potty every 45 minutes is also something I would never do. It's putting WAY too much focus on potty training and takes away from the group. I've only had two potty accidents in the nine years I have lived in this house and both kids did it on their first day in undies after being dry for two weeks. The last accident I had here was when my past dck was three and she is now 7.5. I have had 3.5 years without a single accident and nine years with only two accidents total. I manage this because I rock at potty training. The number one reason I rock in potty training is that I don't allow the parents words to influence my decision of when to put them in undies. I listen to their progress but "I" decide the day they go into undies. I wasn't so smart the first few years I did day care but I've learned over the years that a LOT of parents viewpoints of their kids readiness to train and ability to train is very very far away from how the kid will do in my house. My number two rule is the child must be able to SAY THE WORDS "I have to go potty BEFORE they have to go potty" and have them actually GO potty after saying those words. They have to SAY THOSE WORDS for two weeks before they are put in undies and have two weeks consecutive ACCIDENT FREE. That pretty much eliminates any gray area. I have three of six now that are potty trained and not a one has had an accident in my house. They potty trained at 2.5 years to 3.25 years. They all potty trained here with my system and made it thru without a single pee accident. The last one that trained did it completely on his own. I've never even had to tell him to go to the potty or asked him if he wants to go. He has a much older sib and learned what to do at home. He was 2.5 when it was done and he's VERY verbal. In the end it's a personal choice. It's our equipment and our time/money when a kid has an accident that requires a lot of staff time to clean up. The best way to solve parents wanting to do your system (the accidents are normal and okay... only get on their clothes... and the provider takes the kid to the potty every 45 minutes) is to require a signed agreement that they will pay for any carpet, upholstery, equipment to be done by a proffessional cleaning company on an on call immediate basis. As long as they agree that they will pay to have a pro come to your house to steam clean your home and equipment then the going in undies and having accidents would work fine. Since one trip of that would cost more than a couple of months of diapers... I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone to sign and agree. If they don't want to pay for the clean up then the provider needs to get to decide when they go in undies. I don't even use the diaper over undies method until they are really really far into the process and only if I have a two/three percent chance idea they could have an accident... like during our walk when it's a hardship for everyone to come back to the house to do clothing change. Other than that I just use diapers during the process. Pullups don't help me much. They are so crappily made now that I would only use them for older kids who have not trained yet but who can manage their own diapering with pull ups. |
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I also agree--to a point--with the idea that a child who is really potty trained will use the potty regardless of what is covering their bottom. I wouldn't expect them to do this at the beginning, before they've gotten used to underwear, but I would expect them to be able to do it after being used to underwear. IMO, a child who is truly ready to be potty trained will train up very quickly once underwear are put on them--and ready to be trained includes being verbal enough (or have enough signs) to initiate potty trips on their own.
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Potty training has always been, always will be, a source of contention between parents and many providers. Personally, I don't have issues with potty trainnig and parents, as the parents respect that I have MUCH more experience in this area than they do and I am typically the one who announces that the child is in training. I usually start before even talking to the parent about it, and typically my kids are trained within a couple of days, in undies, not pull-ups.
However, the original post here seems to be more about a parent/provider problem, not just potty training. Mac, I think what parent #1 did was completely unncceptable and you should have told her on the spot that this is not in your job description. Personally, I would help the parent out, but NOT if that was how it was brought up....it would have had to have been a request, in advance, and the parent would have to be involved at home as well.....the chart would have to go back and forth and I would have to see that the parents were actually doing it to continue with it. I wonder though, why you simply accept that from the parent....why didn't you tell her how you felt about it? Parent #2 would be told that the child was being put in diapers and that I don't believe the child is ready. I wouldn't have done it without telling the parent though, by NOT saying something to the parent at the time it seems to the parent that you are in agreement and that you will follow through with her request. |
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For family #1 I would have just said that I'm too busy to chart poop and would have offered to save every dirty diaper with poop in it and bag it up so they can take it home and chart it themselves. I would have even written the time on it if they preffered lol. Personally i wouldnt want to do it, they can do it themselves and i'll add an .."that way it can be charted correctly because my definition of one poop may not be your definition of that same poop" and then give them a big smile.
... or I would have done the long vacant stare followed with an uncomfortable and akward silence. |
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So.....
How's it going so far? |
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