So, I just added an infant (8 months) to my daycare. The parents informed me that they are refusing the shots due to their beliefs so I just told them I needed a doctors note stating that. I don't know much about this... but if a baby doesn't get it's shots that are reccommended does that mean they can get sick easily or make me or the other children sick more easily. I myself do not have a spleen (the organ that helps fight off infections) so would it effect me? Sorry if this is a stupid question. But I've been sick this week since she started (probably a coincidence) but still..
Thanks!

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I am not able to take in children to do not get their vaccinations...You may want to look into it for your state, but we HAVE to have shot records.

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They just sign a waiver and turn that in in the shot records place. Every state has one waiver or another the can sign. Medical waiver (doc must sign that one), Religious, or Philosophical waivers just signed by the parents. It depends on your state which ones are okay to accept and which ones aren't. Here's a link to a site showing each states allowable waivers. (I don't know how often it's updated, so double check the info of course)
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/sta...uirements.aspx

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I just noticed you have your state listed. Kansas accepts medical and religious waivers.
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/sta...ts/kansas.aspx

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No, a child without immunizations would not make you more sick in general but is at greater risk of coming down with measles, small pox, polio, diptheria, etc if they should be exposed.

What will happen if my child doesn't get these shots?

Basically, one of two things could happen:

1.If your child goes through life without ever being exposed to any of these diseases, nothing would happen.



2.If your child were exposed to any of these diseases, there is a good chance he would get the disease. What happens then depends on the child and the disease. The child could get mildly ill and have to stay inside for a few days. He could get very sick and have to go to the hospital. At the very worst, he could die. In addition, he could also spread the disease to other children and adults who are not immune. If there were enough unprotected people in your community, the result could be an epidemic, with many people getting sick and some dying.
What are my child's chances of being exposed to these diseases?

It's hard to say. Some of these diseases are very rare in the U.S. today, so the chances of exposure are small. Others are still fairly common. Some are rare in the U.S. but common elsewhere in the world. Don't assume your child is completely safe from these diseases, even the rare ones. For instance, a child in the United States has only a tiny chance of catching diphtheria. But several years ago a boy in California did catch diphtheria and he died. He was the only child in his class who hadn't been vaccinated.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...y=21429&page=2

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The child without the vaccines would be at more risk than you would be. If you and the other children in your care are vaccinated and the vaccines work like they are supposed to work then there shouldn't be anything to worry about.

All my current families happen to be vaccinated I haven't decided where I stand on the issue - I guess I will cross that bridge when I get to it. For those of you who refuse children based on their choice not to vaccinate, be sure that you DO NOT tell them that this is the reason they are being refused/ terminated.

I've started asking during the interview whether their shots are current. I don't do pets or smokers so I also ask them in the interview whether they have either. Sometimes, I don't even have to ask! Those are the worst.

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Due to their beliefs I believe that any state should be able to accept what is called a personal beliefs affidavit. I live in CA and for us it's right on the back of our blue immunization record that we are required to keep in the child's file. It pretty much says "I request exemption on the child named from the vaccination assessment requirement for school/child care entry because this procedure is contrary to my beliefs"

If i child isn't immunized and you have been then you shouldn't worry that you might get sick. The concern should be in the unvaccinated child getting a communicable disease.

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California is different though. It's one of the states that can accept a philosophical objection to non-vaxing. It's easier there. Kansas can not accept those though, so this family would have to file a religious (or medical) waiver instead.

kpa0627, are you licensed/registered with your state? They should have this info in your regs, I think.

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In my state (WA) parents can also sign a waiver.

I "require" all parents to sign one of the waivers. Here's why. I tell them that I want their child vaccinated, I believe in them, my children received them.

However, I am responsible for tracking and reminding parents to make sure they are up to date. Plllluuueasssse. I am not the parent. If a parent got them on time, but simply forgot to tell me, and my licensor checked that file. Bingo. I get written up. Written up as in my permanent record. Then they make a note to check records again in a few months. Same thing. Then I have a "record" of not having my records up to date. That can result in a fine. $75 per incident. Again, plllueaseeel.

So it's not an option here. Sign the waiver. Every parent does it when I tell them what happens if they arent' up to date.

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You know what, I think this is a very good idea and I think I'll adopt this from now on. I think it's way too hard for me to keep up all of the kids immunizations. Why should it be our responsibility to keep track? I heard that it's even required in some states for the care provider to remind parent's to stay up to date and the provider gets fined if they don't do it on time.

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Thats what a personal beliefs affidavit is. It's a waiver that parents can sign that says that because of their beliefs whether for religious reasons or medical (meaning that you don't want to risk your child having an allergic or other reaction to it) they are refusing to have their children vaccinated.

I refused a polio vaccination for my child because it was a new mix and the nurse couldn't even explain to me what the mix was. The only reason that I found out was because I asked what was in it. I went somewhere else where I could get the polio vaccine that had nothing else in it. You have to be careful and make sure that the vaccines aren't a concoction of things that your child may not need or are in the experimental process. Sometimes these concoction vaccines are in the testing steps only and they don't have to tell you that they're experimenting on your child, it's up to you to ask.

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You don't accept families with pets? Interesting! I've never heard of a provider doing that. Do you have allergies? Is it discrimination to ask about smoking? I haven't run into this issue yet so hadn't even thought of it.

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The only time it is discrimination is if you deny or refuse services because of any condition protected by the ADA.

Of course gender, religion etc as well but smokers are not a protected class so you can refuse care for families that smoke, have pets or simply wear a lot of yellow.. lol!

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IMHO, immunizations or no shouldn't be an issue. If one completely believes that the immunizations will do what they are supposed to do, then your child or the other children in your home would be covered. I started out immunizing my two older kids completely, and my third child ended up having severe reactions to his and ended up losing milestones and we were afraid that he was autistic, and in fact was tested on the spectrum. We started doing our research, pros and cons of immunizations, and have decided to not immunize ANY of us further. We have all the proper documents, and practice many natural things to keep ourselves healthy. Swine flu, RSV, stomach flus have all run rampant in our schools this year, and yet my kids remain healthy. I have complete confidence in what I am doing to keep my family healthy. So, from personal experience, no, it doesn't make the child sick more often, actually in our homes, it has made us healthier! So just make sure you have the waiver form signed and in place.

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Children with no Vaccinations should be kept away from Babies who have had the polio Vaccination. The feces from the baby who has been vaccinated with the live polio vaccine will excrete it in his/her feces and can give any unprotected child polio.

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what monster parents wouldnt help keep their kids as healthy as possible!?!

We have to have vaccines under DHS regulations

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I don't accept children who don't have their vaccinations. If I have an infant who is not yet old enough to recieve all theirs I don't want another child possibly passing something on to them.

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Pardon me? That comment about "monster parents" was completely and utterly unacceptable. There are MANY reasons that parents choose to not have their children vacinated and quite honestly, NONE of those reasons are your business.

The small-minded thinking that vaccines keep children "healthy as possible" is completely uneducated and in many cases untruthful. Please, educate yourself.

Also, as a side note, I have always happily taken dcks who are not vaccinated - and I find they are typically healthier all around than my kiddos who are. Funny how that works out

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Im so glad im big enough to not take myself that seriously. And am just as educated as the rest of the fine ladies and gentleparents here I figured after i wrote that someone wouldnt like it. So ill retract the statment cause you are probably right...... still whats wrong with my thoughts being interjected since the same freedom i have to say them are the same freedoms you have to say that in response.

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It's one thing to have differing opinions - quite another to call someone a MONSTER because of it.

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I got a little nervous to scroll down after I read your comment Dave! I thought for sure you would be "executed"! Everyone is 100% entitled to their opinion on this forum!! There are valid arguments to both sides of this topic... I have a feeling that the people that are for NOT vaccinating will probably just have a stronger opinion than the opposing side. That being said, why do we have to make personal attacks against anyone's knowledge or "education"?? It's an opinion and for all we know anyone could be very educated in their opinion, so let's just relax, try to be open minded, and communicate with respect

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While I agree that monster parents weren't the right word choice, I believe in vaccines and the sentiment of giving your child every chance. I don't judge those who believe differently, however, I have chosen to NOT accept any child that isn't fully vaccinated. My state allows a waiver, my home does not. The point..if a person wants to bring their child to me, those types of things ARE my business, from the moment you bring it into MY HOME.

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It's your business to turn a family away because the child isn't vaccinated. The reasons the child isn't vaccinated isn't your business.

Oh and by the way, the parents who believe that their child developed illness, a life-long diasability or even died from vaccinations would argue your point that vaccinations "give your child every chance".

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Did you know that some of these vaccines were only made because they extracted pieces from aborted babies and used the cells? You’re putting the product of aborted babies into your child. To judge someone because they don’t religiously or personally want to do that isn’t fair.

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I dont think it woudl make you any more sick. Where I live parents can refuse shots due to there religous beliefs but so far it has not been an issue. The parents do have to have a note from there doctor for provider records. I for one cant imagine not getting shots.
Deb

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My child is not vaccinated. She had a severe allergic reaction to her first round of shots so we decided better to be safe than sorry and chose not to vaccinate further after consults with her allergist. There are many uneducated people out there preaching the benefits of vaccines and judging others. I saw a form that my DR had to fill out to record her reaction to send into Health Canada and there was a box that said "DEATH". Do you know how scary that is? Death as a possible side effect to a vaccine? I understand it is EXTREMELY rare but when your child has an allergic reaction to a vaccine you begin to wonder....

I certainly hope no one feels that I'm a "monster" because I chose not to vaccinate my child. It's great to sit on the throne of judgement about other parents choices but in reality you have no clue why they chose not to vaccinate. It's wonderful that your children received all of their vaccines and weren't affected by them, but there are children out there that have reactions and parents choose to stop. I am one of them.

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Ok to clear the air here, I'm under the impression that a lot of mommies don't have an understanding of as to why some family's choose to skip on the vaccines. Vaccines have mercury, aluminum, falmerderhide, in them as a preservative. These chemicals r proven to cause cancer. Among other autoimmune problems. They r also made with aborted fetus matter, and with monkey parts.
Now when we r told something over and over again, we tend to take it and believe it as truth. I'm talking about what we've been conditioned to think we know as facts, just because we r told this from someone we think is official. (Hence shots r good for us.)

Now their r many groups of parents, even dr,s that blame the shots for the sudden onset of Autisim, in a perfectly normal child, developing well until shortly after a round of shots. But the c.d.c/ f.d.a or big pharma will not say the child developed the disease due to the shots. But on the other hand u can see many law suits where the parents won justifying that yes the shots were to blame, I think this is why it's so hard to really get a straight answer. Remember the vaccine industry in a multi billion dollar industry, and I'm sure big pharma would not want to be hurt financially, There was a study done in Australia where it used to be mandatory to vaccinate but changed to laws, to the family's choice weather to vacinate or not and the year they changed that law the rate of s.i.d.s dropped by 50percent, that's a huge drop! So there's another reason parents choose not to because its believed the shots may link to s.i.d.s also.

Personally I have three children that I never asked questions and just assumed ok I'm doing the right think getting them vaccinated, and they were and thankfully they r all fine and healthy. Now I'm preg with my fourth and have been reading as much as pos about the issue from bolth sides, and I have to admit I am questioning vaccinating this one? With that being said I think there r many factors that come into play when deciding. My children don't go to daycare and r breast feed. But I also will have three other children coming home from school with germs. So I think i will vacinate but just a bit later for my newborn, so it's little immune system has a chance to build and it's brain has a chance to develope, so it lowers the chance of autism, so probably at two years I will vacinate but not right away. With that being said in our great country U.S.A the chance of polio r very low but not in other countries, Pakistan, India, Afghanistan ect. They do still very much deal with these diseases, so if u plan on traveling abroad I defiantly would vaccinate.because ur chances of being exposed r much greater there.

Weather u decide to be pro vaccine or anti vaccine. Isn't that the beauty of this country? That we r free to have a choice as to what we decide is right for our children and what we put into their bodies. Not every one is blessed lik we r. So good for u if u choose not to for excersizing ur rights, and to the parents who choose to vac. I wouldn't be worried about exposure because ur children should for the most part be in the clear. To me, it's very curious that in my day 1 in 2,500 children were autistic now since the 1990,s the rates have drastically went up to 1 in 75 children will be diagnosed with Autisim? That's a huge jump.

So for all mommies talk to ur nurses and dr,s get a number of opinions, use ur Internet to educate yourselves, from bolth sides pro and anti. And then make the decision that's best for you. But I wouldn't just blindly go about anything anymore. There r risks and benefits to bolth sides. I think it's just trying to decide witch it a lesser of to evils. No body wants their child to become diseased or disabled either..

Searching for the truth

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(repeating mantra in my head...."I will not respond to this ancient dead thread and the ridiculous post above, I will not respond to this ancient dead thread and the ridiculous post above, I will not respond to this ancient dead thread and the ridiculous post above...........")

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I had to resist the urge to edit and correct spelling. I cannot stand people who feel they have a valid point but don't or can't take the time to spell things out correctly. While reading it, I felt like it was a super long text from a teenager.

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I have no urge to respond to that...I can barely read it!

But, I can't resist this: formaldehyde (and I didn't even have to use spell check or look it up!)

I didn't know vaccines had monkey parts though...how does the spleen fit through the syringe?

and...well, yeah.

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Most everyone is correct. An unvaccinated child is more at risk in terms of contracting the diseases they are not vaccinated for and not recovering well. However, they also spread those diseases around at a higher rate for longer. Since their body is not primed to fight the infection, the bacteria replicate in their body for longer before they can fight the infection. So they expose everyone for a longer period of time and to a higher bacterial load. Also remember that not all vaccines are for rare diseases. Bacteria that cause Pneumonia, meningitis, diarrhea diseases and ear infections are part of most states' vaccination schedule.

As for the person without a spleen, you are in some extra danger.
You are susceptible to infections by certain bacteria called "encapsulated organisms". This includes the bacteria that most commonly causes pneumonia (S. pneumo), the bacteria that is the most common cause of ear infections (H. Influenzae B) but was previously a common cause of meningitis, the bacteria that is the most common cause of meningitis, (N. meningitidis), the bacteria that is the most common cause of Urinary tract infections (E. Coli), and Salmonella which still comes around in outbreaks. These bacteria are all floating around all the time and are part of the routine vaccination schedule except e. coli and salmonella. an unvaccinated child can catch and spread all of these infections more easily than vaccinated children.

Also, in my state (FLorida) they immunize against rotavirus. This is a common cause of diarrhea.

Hope this helps make your decision about your own safety.

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Read the regulations for your state about non vaccination in the Health Dept website (for school & daycare); some states have specific paperwork, some require just a written paper based on parent beliefs; DR note is for Medical exemption... totally different than just not wanting to Vax. Damn... old post

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My policy is that if I am considering enrolling a child who is unvaccinated that I will notify other parents and see if they are okay with it. If the majority of parents are okay about it, I will enroll the unvaccinated child. If majority are not okay with it then I would not enroll the child.
Personally, after years of working in holistic healthcare, I don’t believe all vaccines are necessary but for the sake of my business, I’ll make enrollment decisions based off the best interests of my current families. I’ve got several great families right now and I’d hate to lose one of them because I enrolled an unvaccinated child.

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This is an old post, but I just wanted to recommend that you don't ask your other families for permission in enrolling an unvaccinated child. I would think that would be a breach of confidentiality in some way. Since you are talking about their medical records, and the other families will obviously know which child it is, I guess I would just be hesitant or very careful about doing that. Besides the privacy issue, once they know which child it is, they may blame them if illness spreads around the daycare. Also, once you give them a say in enrolling a child, they may still think they have a say in that decision a year down the road, if anything changes in their opinion. Also, if their children are vaccinated, they have very little reason to be concerned in terms of them getting sick. The unvaccinated child would be at the slightly higher risk level, not their children. Anyway, that's just my advice, Just so it doesn't backfire on you.

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I agree 100%!

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Exactly this!! I would be extremely upset if I knew my provider talk about my child’s medical records with anyone besides myself or my husband. It’s no ones business.

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Nothing would ever be discussed without obtaining consent to do so during the interview process.

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I can definitely see how some would feel this way, however, this policy was created at the request of some of my current parents. Their concern was that their daughter is an infant and might not have yet gotten a vaccine for some disease that might be brought in by an older, unvaccinated child. Before I made it policy, I asked the other parents how they would feel about doing it this way and everyone was in favor of it. It’s a one time chance to give an opinion and I would not even hold discussion about dis-enrollment later if they were to change their minds. And as for the privacy of the unvaccinated family, I would inform them during the interview process that enrollment was dependent on my current families being okay with it and I would obtain consent to move forward from there. If the unvaccinated family was at all hesitant in me discussing it with my current families then the interview process would end there. I would never discuss their medical choices without consent just as I would never enroll an unvaccinated child without full disclosure to other parents.

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Do you then also discuss the vaccine dates/times/amounts/etc of the vaccinated children with the non-vaccinated families?

If not, I kind of see your method of managing non-vax'ed families as somewhat discriminatory. Why is their medical situation require any more info sharing than anyone else's?

I understand what you are saying in your post in regards to the not-yet-vax'ed infant but infants usually begin care between 6-8 weeks and immunizations begin about 8 weeks. Also most illnesses have symptoms so if you diligently exclude for those symptoms the likelihood of anything being spread to anyone (vaccinated or not) is slim to none.

I also think those with newborns (fragile or not-yet-developed immune systems) bear a responsibility too....if the parent is truly worried about their baby catching something, they'd best protect baby then by not leaving the house until baby has been fully immunized.

FWIW~ I am pro-vax and don't accept non-vaccinated kids into my program (for medical reasons)...I just feel like the non-vax'ed families really get the short end of things sometimes and I think are often treated unfairly.

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I see your point, but I still think that allowing parents to decide policies is a slippery slope.

I’d suggest having a policy to either accept or not accept unvaccinated children, then let parents decide if they are comfortable enrolling or not.

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http://www.kansascity.com/news/busin...205880714.html

Why vaccinations in child care are important.

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Check your state’s exemption regs. There is probably a special form.

In my experience, non-immunized children have been healthier. My theory is that it’s because they aren’t fighting off the things they are exposed to while also fighting off everything injected into them. However, that means that they are MORE open to catching those illnesses if exposed. No immunization is 100% effective. I’ve had chicken pox go through my daycare twice since the vaccine became law. It hit the immunized and unimmunized kids equally...so that one isn’t very effective. :P I think it still needs more work.

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I know this is an old post and I have posted this before (even on this thread maybe), but I enrolled a nonvax family ONCE and will never do that again....their views just weren't my views at all. Only lasted a few months until I terminated and the dcm went psycho on me refusing to leave....but you HAVE TO ALLOW US TO FEED YOUR CHILD. She had major differences when it comes to how much an 11 month and four year old could eat....these kids were starving so they whined all the time till we fed them...I know where they are now and they are older but the center says they feel she in a sense "brainwashes" the kids....one is now school-age but I think she homeschools him but sends to daycare center...ironically this lady is a teacher at the local school.

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Was it you who posted a while back about the DCM not sending enough breast milk for the baby and refusing to send more because she only wanted the baby fed a certain amount? I guess I could go back through the archives and look, but I always wondered how that baby turned out.

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That was me on a thread from the past but not sure if it was this one. These parents never cease to amaze me.

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Hello everyone, thanks for having me. I'm coming here as a new provider and as the mother of two medically exempt children. The biggest issue I have with this whole discussion is that, due to our lack of concrete knowledge about vaccines, and the debate being a bit heated, I'm reading lots of what sounds like discrimination out of fear. There are professionals on both sides who make valid arguments, but that's besides the point. Sounds like we are discussing how to handle this as professionals. If the law allows for medical exemptions, why in the world would it be ethical to dismiss or turn away a family from your care who has one? If the law in your state allows parents a personal beliefs exemption, then how can you justify going against that law and discriminating against a family who is making descisions fully within the law? I know nobody means it this way but I read a lot of what sounds like treating these unvaccinated families as if you need to make sure it's "ok" with others if their kids are around this "diseased", kid. Do you ask the other parents if it's "ok" for you to enroll a disabled child? How about a black child? This is how ridiculous it looks.

I am the parent of three children. One fully vaccinated age 14, one partially vaccinated in middle childhood now medically exempt, and a fully medically exempt infant. In my personal experience, my vaccinated child was constantly sick, and the other two are exceptionally healthy. Unvaccinated children are sick least often, as their immune systems are in better shape. Also, my middle son has behavior issues, which I noticed after I began vaccinating him. Behavior and mood problems are a side effect. Some families are more susceptible to vaccine reactions, yet NO Dr I have ever met screens for these possible contradictions prior to shooting your child up with a vaccine cocktail.....unless you ask....and most parents are too trusting to even fathom questioning their doctor.

Now, keep in mind pro vaccine campaigns play on fear...so let's be fair and let me share some stories from people I have met in real life. One friend had a cousin who suddenly died at age 2, just days after being vaccinated....and the Drs blamed it on SIDS...which by deffinition doesn't happen after age 1 I believe. I spoke to a mother who's son went on for years with no problems with vaccinations, then went for his middle school boosters and got very I'll and came down with Lupis. The university who treated him verified the vaccine caused it. So parents are also risking death or permanent disabilities when vaccinating.....so I don't suggest treating parents like freaks simply for not vaccinating...they are just trying to protect their children.

As a professional, it's none of my business. I would treat an unvaccinated child just like any other. My only business is making sure each child's file is complete; whether that be with an immunization card, medical exemption, or personal beliefs depending on the state. Complete file or incomplete file: that's as far as my nose and judgement should be going!

Philosophically it's kind of silly when you think about it.....there's no vaccine for aids....but suddenly if there were one....would you be more afraid of children who weren't vaccinated against aids? If so, why? Flue shots aren't mandatory...are you afraid of allowing children in who don't have their flue shot? How many people do you encounter at the grocery store who touch the same surfaces as you, are unvaccinated? ATMs? Gas pumps? Doors? Do you shake hands with people you meet? When these parents take their kids to the park or a play place....do they ask all the kids to prove they are vaccinated? When they get to public school do you think they are going to announce to parents there are unvaccinated children?

All I ask is to consider that parents who don't vaccinate obstain for the same reasons pro vaccine parents choose to go ahead with it.......both feel with GOOD reason, they are protecting their children from death or disability. And please don't think all parents who dont vaccinate are lunatics. I'm sure there are plenty of vaccinating parents who are nuts, so don't say you'll "never" accept an unvaccinated child, or "never again".....that's like saying you had a bad experience with a black child and so you'll "never again".

Talk to a holistic dr....get their opinion. Remeber....medical drs have their entire medical career (including textbooks) planned and mannaged by pharmaceutical companies.(good hearted people but trained drug pushers) So sometimes talking to them is like asking a car salesman to choose a car off his lot for you to buy. remember we are in a time when inclusion is big...and our society has become so much better for it.

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So for those that do vaccinate their children, have you ever read the ACTUAL package insert that comes with the vaccine?

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Sorry, but I already believe in Jesus and am not interested in adding another faith system at this point in time.

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Did you read the other posts in this thread?

It's NOT a debate about vaccines.

It's about how providers manage BOTH vaccinated and non-vaccinated children within their families and businesses.

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Different people have different feelings about it. That doesn't make those feelings equal--we all believe there's a massive amount of scientific evidence to support our side and that the people pushing the other side are misguided at best and predatory at worst. We're all making decisions for our own businesses based on what we believe to be the best practice. And we're not going to change that because some parent calls us and tells us that "My doctor gave me a note so you have to accommodate me."

Nor are we going to change it because some internet slactivist links us to the blog that changed their life. True for vaccinations, true for diet, for sleep practices, for religion, political affiliation, and everything else that makes up our faith and practice.

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I can’t believe all of you are so keen on waivers and money and fines but not one of you have listed the ingredients in the vaccines? For one, human diploid cell is listed on the package insert I don’t think any of you have asked the doctor for before administration. It lists it on the cdc site itself. It even lists sids and autism as a side effect amongst the hundred other side effects. It says formaldehyde solution, human diploid lung fibroblasts (aborted fetal tissue) chick embryo, bovine serum, monkey kidney, latex, peanut derivative, wheat germ, ect. And it states that GM yeast bacterial and viral DNA can incorporate into recipients DNA and cause unknown genetic mutations. Go read it all for yourself. I for one will forever refuse anymore vaccines after almost losing my son within 72 hours after 4 shots were administered. It took my son almost dying to do enough research to realize the industry became immune from lawsuit since 1986 and they were charged with knowing the SV cancer virus was contaminated in our polio vaccine in the beginning. That they were just fined over 15 billion and they just went back to doing it. That 75,000 have died from the MMR vaccine already and the billions in compensation to vaccine injured children. And guess what, the same people that own the patents, are in control of our media and pharmaceutical industry. My last two are by far the healthiest and it is well known natural acquired immunity is far better than injection that by passes your immune system and can overload and kill your liver,spleen, and appendix. We wonder where our autoimmune issues and allergies are coming from when they were unheard of before vaccination. That every disease declined before vaccines were ever introduced. Something that bypasses your blood brain barrier. We are to give no more than 26mcg max of aluminum to a child yet they are receiving 250mg on their first dose. Wonder about all those shaken baby syndromes where parents are out in jail and they say they never did it. It’s the encephalitis from the Dtap shot and the uncontrollable screaming. This world wants money. How is my child that has never even been exposed to the diseases you’ve injected into yourself a harm to you? If anything we are cleaner and safer than anyone who has been. And Remeber in 1990 you may have got 8-14 shots as you got older. They require 74 now with my kids. Screw that. If we were fine why more now? Why has our autism rate skyrocketed to every 1-1,000 ? And if I breastfeed my immunities for what I was vaccinated against, should be passed to my children anyways. Please do your research. And realize that vaccines shed anywhere from a couple weeks to a month. And every pertussis epidemic was caused by the ones vaccinated for it. They are the ones spreading it. Not the ones who have never been exposed. All info you can reseRch for yourself. Remember google sensors anything against vaccination even vaccine injured claims settled in court. Pinterest is the only thing left uncensored

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Because we don't care. That is between the parent and doctor to discuss.

We LEGALLY can not enroll unvaccinated children without a medical waiver. Period.

Work out the issue with your doctor, get the waiver signed and let us carry on with our business legally.

There is nothing special about this.

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How can anyone get sick if the “vaccinated “ child is vaccinated? That makes no sense especially if staff members and parents are paying attention and taking the requirements to deny children at the door if they are sick . Just like anyone if your child isn’t vaccinated just build their immune systems up . If they do get sick then just heal them as if you would do a vaccinated child .

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Mutation.

It is a law so a moot point.

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Another old post revived.
I wonder how the now 10 year old is.

Someone on page 1 also from Wa had a good idea going.
It does mean if there is an outbreak the daycare closes.


I have it list that they are not required but highly recommended, and here MMR is mandated.
But I will not fill out the sheet for them. With corporate companies I had to if they did not, I have filled out hundreds. Then input it on the computer. Done!

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So if a child is vaccinated for a certain virus, and that virus mutates, is that vaccinated child still protected from that mutated virus? Dont they need to develope a new vaccine for the mutation? Just curious.

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Partially. Yes, and their parents generally take them for updated immunizations (boosters) or anti-body testing as needed (think polio/smallpox).

Adults also have their childhood vaccines updated with boosters or antibody testing.

It would not be required as often if more people followed guidelines for herd immunity.

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