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JeepGirl6 04:51 PM 05-29-2012
Soo I let the family go that only wanted to bring their children for 3 hours a day because that is potentially 2 full time future spots, let alone she wanted to keep her children here 15 minutes past my closing time....The father came today when I was not home to pick up the rest of the children's belongings, I had set the diaper bag outside in case he would come when I wasn't home. He text me on his way here saying he also wanted the rest of the receipts for this year for services rendered(which is not a problem at all) I wrote him back telling him that I would mail them since I wasn't home to give them to him. When he pulled in the drive,he was flying, slamming on his breaks, messing up our gravel with his reckless behavior. We have surveillance cameras around our whole property so we seen the gravel messed up and looked at the cameras. His wife just messaged me telling me she was just informed that I was mailing the receipts and if she didn't have them by Friday, at the latest Monday she was going to contact her attorney to proceed with further actions...REALLY???? What the hec will an in attorney do? NOTHING! Its just paper! Plus, I don't give everyone their receipts until December for the tax season. I do not mind giving them their receipts at all. These parents have chose not to claim me for the past 2.5 years and now want to claim me this year which is fine( I have done taxes on them since they started)

I feel that she thinks she is threatening me and I am going to be "scared". I am not scared at all, rather very ticked off that she would treat me this way( I was shaking I was so upset when I read this) I want to call her so bad and just ask "Why would you think an attorney would need to be involved, its not necessary)...She does not respect me nor care about me at all, she doesn't care that I am taking on evening job opportunities to help with my family income, this ticked her off because she has to find other child care. I am not even writing her back, I am not going to play into her games. This isn't the first threat she made. I just can't believe how people can be when I am trying to benefit my family and well being. I love her children and will really miss them but its not worth dealing with the parents to keep them.
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Fruitloops1 04:57 PM 05-29-2012
Don't bother responding! Its exactly what she is looking for. Just mail out the receipts and forget about them and their childish behavior!
HUGS for you!!!
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DaycareMama 05:12 PM 05-29-2012
I agree mail out the reciepts and thats it!!! EXCEPT mail them in January when you normally would.
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Heidi 05:15 PM 05-29-2012
yep! Just mail the receipts. If she keeps texting, send her ONE very simple text. "the receipts you requested have been mailed. I request that you stop texting me now" after that, don't return ANY texts, and let any phone calls (if there are any) go to voicemail.


Save everything, and if it goes too far, file a complaint with the local police department.
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Sunchimes 05:46 PM 05-29-2012
You might think about getting a Certificate of Delivery from the post office when you mail it. I think it cost about $1.35. You put your address and the destination address, then they put a meter sticker on it and give it to you. If they question you, you have proof that it was mailed to their address on such and such a date.

Or spend a bit more and send it with delivery confirmation or even send it so that they have to sign for it.

Just cover yourself if they claim you never mailed it or they never received it. I've used the certificate of delivery method for years.
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sharlan 05:51 PM 05-29-2012
Let her contact an atty. The ONLY thing that will accomplish is cost her unnecessary money.

Mail the receipts. Do not respond to any phone calls or text messages.
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GretasLittleFriends 06:16 PM 05-29-2012
I completely agree about mailing the receipts certified with return receipt, or even signature required. This way you have proof you mailed them, and have proof that someone accepted them. Good luck!
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EntropyControlSpecialist 07:40 PM 05-29-2012
I doubt that she'd consult with an attorney over this. The amount that it would cost her would be FAR MORE than paying your full time child care rate.
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Ann B. 08:17 PM 05-29-2012
I'm kind of going through the very same thing right now with a parent I terminated because of non payment. I keep getting texts telling me how much of a coward I am for not responding to her texts. Today I received 3 texts alone saying I'm spineless and cold hearted because I terminated her child. Ugh...If I were you I would follow the advice of the good people here and do not respond to her texts. I'm not responding to the parent that keeps texting me and I think it is driving her insane which is exactly what she deserves. Why do people not understand we are a business first???? This is how we make our money....it should never be this complicated for any of us!
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itlw8 08:29 PM 05-29-2012
I don't think there is any law saying you have to provide them any reciept. You do have to provide your EIn IF they request it. but giving them a reciept is a courtesy and for your benifit. I would NOT send it I would require they come and sign your copy showing they agree with the amount.
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MyAngels 08:56 PM 05-29-2012
As the PP said, you are under no obligation to provide them with any receipts at all. I'd be tempted to not send them anything. But then again, I can be kind of ____________ (rhymes with witchy ) that way when people treat me poorly.
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Hunni Bee 03:42 AM 05-30-2012
I dont even see where you are required to give them any receipts. If you gave them to her once, after payment, that's all you're required to give, I believe.

A report of payments is due, like a pp said, at tax time.

Anything you give out now is a favor.

Anybody correct me if im wrong.
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DaisyMamma 03:49 AM 05-30-2012
I would ignore the texts and mail the receipts certified, but don't do it until after Friday, of course.
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Kaddidle Care 04:05 AM 05-30-2012
Tell him he can pick up the receipts after he rakes up the gravel that he sprayed all over. :P
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Blackcat31 06:30 AM 05-30-2012
Originally Posted by itlw8:
I don't think there is any law saying you have to provide them any reciept. You do have to provide your EIn IF they request it. but giving them a reciept is a courtesy and for your benifit. I would NOT send it I would require they come and sign your copy showing they agree with the amount.
You need only provide and sign the W-10 form at the end of the year that the PARENT provides TO YOU. They are suppose to supply the form and ask that you sign it and add your EIN. Not doing so is a $50 fine I believe Tom Copeland said....but only if the parent can prove you refused to sign it.

Originally Posted by Hunni Bee:
I dont even see where you are required to give them any receipts. If you gave them to her once, after payment, that's all you're required to give, I believe.

A report of payments is due, like a pp said, at tax time. Anything you give out now is a favor.

Anybody correct me if im wrong.
You aren't even required to give them a statement of payment. Just the W-10 form (see above). Most providers supply the end of year statement of payment as a courtesy but you are not required to do so.

If the parent received a receipt at the time of payment, then nothing more needs to be done. The parent can supply the W-10 form and ask that you sign it and add your EIN but that is the extent of what the law says we are to do.

In this particular case though, you can either stop responding to the parent and ignore their harassing texts/messages or you can simply send out the reciepts and be done with them.

Which ever way you choose to go. Hiring an attorney will not change the law so I would personally not be worried about that. I would save ALL texts/messages and contact as proof, if necessary of their harassment.

Here is Tom Copeland's blog about the truth about year end receipts/W-10's
http://www.tomcopelandblog.com/2011/...-receipts.html
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MN Day Mom 07:55 AM 05-30-2012
I would have a huge problem with a parent threatening me. You only have to provide your tax information on the W-10 when the parent provides it to you. You are not required to give them $$ amounts, its their job to keep track of what they paid you. That said however, I give receipts with all my information on it in January, but I also have the parent sign this receipt too, for my own protection in case of an audit.

I would highly recommend that you get a signed receipt from his family.
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CheekyChick 09:46 AM 05-30-2012
I would write her back and say...

Per my Parent Handbook, I provide Year-End Tax Statements in December. As a courtesy to you and your husband, I will gladly mail them to you in the month of June.

Kind regards,
Miss Irked
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KDC 09:49 AM 05-30-2012
Originally Posted by CheekyChick:
I would write her back and say...

Per my Parent Handbook, I provide Year-End Tax Statements in December. As a courtesy to you and your husband, I will gladly mail them to you in the month of June.

Kind regards,
Miss Irked
I would do exactly this!
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MarinaVanessa 09:59 AM 05-30-2012
Blackcat and others that have said the same things are right. You aren't obligated to issue them anything other than an end of year statement with the total of what was paid to you in the form of a w-10. The w-10 should be given to you by the parent to sign however I have just always made them for my clients and handed them out myself out of courtesy. If you don't have an EIN then I HIGHLY recommend you get one today. It's free and the process takes minutes. You can do it online or over the phone. This way you don't have to put your SSN on the w-10.

The way I see it is that you can do this one of two ways. The easy way, or the other way.

The easy way would be to download and print a w-10 yourself and mail it out this week and be done with it. DEFINNETELY send it via certified mail and keep the receipt that the USPS sends you which says that it was delivered. Easy peazy.

The other way (which I assure you would be the way that I would have gone) would be to do nothing and wait for the parent(s) to contact me to say "WTF, where is it?" to which I would respond "Oh, I was waiting for you to send me the w-10 which you are required to do. By law I don't have to do anything unless I am given a w-10. Once I get it then I'll figure out your YTD total." They'll probably have a conniption which I would ignore and just repeat myself by saying "Once I receive the w-10 I'll figure out your total". Once I received the w-10 then I'd immediately fill it out, slip it into an envelope and address the envelope. Then I'd stick it to my refrigerator with a magnet for a minimum of 2-4 weeks. If the parents call or text or whatever to question or complain about where the hell their w-10 is I'd just say "I'm working on it. I've had to look through my records which is very time consuming. I usually don't do this myself, my accountant does at the end of the year so it's taking me some time to go through records." while I smile and stare at the envelope sitting on my fridge. When I was good and ready I'd go to the post office and send it certified mail (I might have even paid extra for signature capture which requires a signature which means that if they aren't home the envelope gets sent back to the post office and they have to go there to pick up the w-10 ). I'd feel pretty good right about then about the gravel and threat incident.

Of course if it really was me in this situation I'd have laughed out loud and just told them that they'd get their w-10 next year just like all of my other clients and then I wouldn't send them theirs until April 1 .

I WOULD NOT bother to send them a statement of their payments. I don't do that and for a nice client I might make an exception however not for a client like this. KUP
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saved4always 10:46 AM 05-30-2012
I would just mail the receipts to them asap and pay extra to have them sign for them or at least get delivery confirmation. Get the garbage out of your life. Definitely do not respond to her threatening texts. It will probably bother her more that you don't respond than it would if you engaged her. I had an angry parent send me a snotty text once after we had parted ways. While what he said really hurt my feelings, I did not respond in any way. It gives me much satisfaction now that he never knew how I reacted (or if I even got the text).
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Daycare Diva 11:50 AM 05-30-2012
Marinavanessa I love it!
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JeepGirl6 07:36 AM 05-31-2012
Thanks Ladies for all your advice. I love what you would do MarinaVanessa!!! I read what you wrote to my fiance and he thought it was a great idea, especially making them have to sign it and then not be home making them have to pick it up at the Post Office, that would really tick them off. I just have to get the backbone to do that lol...I haven't decided what I am going to do yet. I would love to just send them and get it out of the way but for the headache she has gave me over this nonsense, I would like to do what exactly what MarinaVanessa would do but I get too paranoid. This parent is the type of parent that would probably make up something to try to get me in trouble or have children services to come out. I have NOTHING at all to hide but it just makes me nervous that she would put a target on me. If shes going as far as she is with threatening me with an attorney I just wonder how far she will actually try to go to get revenge for not being able to watch her children anymore. Thank goodness for surveillance cameras!
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Heidi 11:52 AM 05-31-2012
I think I would call your licenser and give her a heads up on this one. You don't have to rehash every gory detail, but give her a general summary.

I know each state is different, but in ours, the licensers WANT to know ahead of time if something's funky.
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dave4him 12:02 PM 05-31-2012
Funny how people use the word attorny these days, its like when we were young 'my attorny can beat up yours!' or something like that
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Janet 05:26 PM 06-01-2012
Originally Posted by Ann B.:
I'm kind of going through the very same thing right now with a parent I terminated because of non payment. I keep getting texts telling me how much of a coward I am for not responding to her texts. Today I received 3 texts alone saying I'm spineless and cold hearted because I terminated her child. Ugh...If I were you I would follow the advice of the good people here and do not respond to her texts. I'm not responding to the parent that keeps texting me and I think it is driving her insane which is exactly what she deserves. Why do people not understand we are a business first???? This is how we make our money....it should never be this complicated for any of us!

This would be a fast track to me filing 'harassing communications' charges against them.
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