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Old 09-14-2007, 11:07 AM
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My next door neighbor appears to be operating an unlicensed daycare in a residential area of our sub-division. I know that unlicensed daycare operations can be legal under certain Indiana law requirements. Can you tell me what the law says about operating an unlicensed daycare in a residential area in the state of Indiana. Thank you.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:11 AM
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It looks like the family facility would need a license. Here are the
exceptions: http://www.in.gov/fssa/carefinder/pdf/Rule1.1.pdf

470 IAC 3-1.1-25 Minimum standards

Sec. 26. Licensing is not required for a child care home if the provider:
(1) does not receive regular compensation;
(2) cares only for children who are related to the provider;
(3) cares for less than six (6) children, not including children for whom the provider is a parent, stepparent, guardian,
custodian, or other relative; or
(4) operates to serve migrant children.
(Division of Family Resources; 470 IAC 3-1.1-26; filed Nov 14, 1991, 1:00 p.m.: 15 IR 496; filed Jul 3, 1996, 5:00 p.m.: 19 IR 3061;
readopted filed Jul 12, 2001, 1:40 p.m.: 24 IR 4235)
470 IAC 3-1.1-27 Application for licensure
Authority: IC 12-13-5-3
Affected: IC 12-17.2
Sec. 27. Application for a license to operate a child care home must be submitted by the applicant every two (2) years to the
COFC on forms provided for that purpose by the CDFC. (Division of Family Resources; 470 IAC 3-1.1-27; filed Nov 14, 1991, 1:00
p.m.: 15 IR 497; filed Jul 3, 1996, 5:00 p.m.: 19 IR 3061; readopted filed Jul 12, 2001, 1:40 p.m.: 24 IR 4235)

You should call your state's licensing agency if you feel they are in violation. It takes the community to make sure our children are always safe and protected under the law. http://www.daycare.com/indiana

Child Care Licensing Agency
Division of Family Resources
Bureau of Child Development - Licensing Section
402 West Washington Street, Room W-386
Indianapolis, IN 46204
Phone: (317) 232-1144
Toll Free: (877) 511-1144
Fax: (317) 234-1513
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:10 PM
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You can find your states requirements here: http://daycare.com/states.html

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How do you know she is unlicensed, did you ask her?
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:05 AM
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People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.
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Old 05-25-2008, 04:21 AM
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
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Old 05-27-2008, 12:29 AM
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I agree, people need to mind their own business. Unless you have witnessed neglect, it is none of your business. What you "think" you know may not be "fact".
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Old 06-03-2008, 06:52 AM
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
More children are hurt at licensed day care than at unlicensed day care. How does a piece of paper make a difference as to what kind of care you provide?
I know parents that have pulled their children from licensed day care to put them in unlicensed. Here in our town a woman was arrested for abusing(pretty badly) her own daughter and guess what she was a licensed day care provider. Oh and hey the lady down the street has a unlicensed daycare and guess what ....she has never done time or abused any children. So abuse and neglect can happen anywhere at anytime. Just because you have had someone from the state come in and tell you what needs to be done and how to run your business doesn't mean that all Unlicensed day care are bad or hurtful to children!!! Oh and its Spell Check. Not spellcheck!
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Old 06-05-2009, 10:46 AM
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
If she is not bothering you or anything on your property, it should be of no concern to you. Obviously the parents' who are bringing their children to her daycare are aware of her being unlicensed and trust her completely or they wouldn't be leaving their children there. It's people like you that are nosey neighbors and probably don't have a job or a life and just want to ruin everyone else's thing. Just mind your business and let her run her business.
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
Just because they are licensed doesnt mean they are good providers. The daycare provider that "accidently" sufficated one of her daycare children was a licensed provider. He wouldnt lay still at naptime so she put her casted foot on him. He died she didnt realize it till after naptime was over and he never got up. They said she didnt mean to kill him so ops she got off easy and now she has a daycare again. And if u havent noticed most of the licensed daycare providers are very expensive. Also if its a church or big corporate daycare they are 25% or higher than normal daycares. One near me I calculated made $12000 a month minimum thats over $600000 a year. they are considered nonprofit too. In the area where i live, that is a lot. Their prices are almost too much to afford. I know with my job I would pay them more for daycare than i make a week. thats sad. And with 4-c funds down theres no hope. the only hope i have is unlicensed providers.
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:49 AM
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
You need to not be so critical! Too many laws, do not equal democracy! It equals the government running our so called free lives. If we as parents find someone that we trust, and have known for a long time, and know that the home is clean, and that our kids will be fed well and taken care of well, then we should be able to decide who watches our children. A stuffy ol' daycare with allot of kids running around with snotty noses, is not what I call clean! If you want everyone to bring their kids to a licensed daycare, then the prices need to drop. Because, if I had the option of a close friend or family watching my kids for less money. You know, that I will take my kids to the friend or family. And that should be up to the parent!
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Old 05-24-2011, 11:09 AM
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
...and you need to see a licensed english teacher "is the equivalent" should be is the equivalence, moving right along. who are you to make the assumption that her home isn't up to par to care for children and if you were really worried so much that you came on the internet to question the credentials of a care provider you should have saved face and called your local health dept.or family and social service office..quit meddling and hating off the next woman and her hustle! jealousy wont get you anywhere in life...she must be making more money than you
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
Okay I find that very funny. I agree with the woman who stated mind your own. YOU LOL... went and stated, "GET A SPELLCHECKER" now, it might be said it's THEIR vs THERE; However she did spell correctly, it's called GRAMMAR sweet heart.

Check your GRAMMAR, although you are NO idiot, I'm sure and KNEW what the woman was getting at. Are you OLD or something? possibly JEALOUS? Unless they are loud. Come on, she's probably a stay at home mom, who knows making min. wage and leaving her child makes nothing, so she stays home...makes money and can stay with her kids and helps others out.

Get over yourself, and next time YOU correct someone- CHECK YOURSELF!
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"People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things."

First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.

Just to clarify ... Just because you do not have a license to provide childcare does not mean that you are not a good care provider nor does it mean that they do not follow the same safety and cleanliness requirements that someone licensed does.

In fact I am a mother of three and provide unlicensed childcare in my home. My home is always very clean (not just for the children I care for but for my own family as well). I provide the best care for the children I care for the same as if they were my own children.

To be honest with you ... I think some of them receive better care when they are in my home than they do when they are sent home with their parents.

Being "licensed" does not in anyway make you a better provider than someone that is not licensed.

As long as we follow the guidelines in our state for an unlicensed provider then no one should have a thing to say about it because honestly ... as long as we are following all guidelines that we are suppose to as far as our state goes its really none of anyone else's business.
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First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
So she's taking business away from you...is that the problem?!
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First of all, get yourself a spellchecker.....it's THEIR not THERE. Further, unlicensed daycare cast a pall upon all the good care providers out there that follow the law. What's wrong with the world is people like you that think only certain laws and statutes are important. Operating an unlicensed day care is the equivalent of operating a restaurant without the proper safety and cleanliness guidelines. If the woman wants to "make her money" then let her comply with the same statutes and laws that licensed day care facilities must abide by.
Actually that is not a fair statement at all! I ran an unlicensed daycare for several years when I was a stay at home mom. Doing it this way allowed me to provide a VERY discounted rate to the parents of my daycare kids without some of the hassle and complications of being registered. In my daycare I followed all laws and regulations, fed healthy meals, and spent a great deal of time doing fun projects and small trips and things for the kids! In the several years since I quit doing that, I have had several of 'my parents' come and tell me how much their children miss my daycare or don't enjoy their new ones. Not to mention how much the parents miss my prices! It allowed me to charge a miniscule rate (usually $2 for first child and $1 for additional children) that allowed me some extra money while still home with my kids, but didn't KILL the parent's pocketbook! I would also like to mention that it is NOT the same thing as running a restaurant without proper cleanliness or safety, because that is ILLEGAL and it is NOT illegal to run an unregistered daycare! And I've known of several 'unlicensed' daycare providers that do a better job than some licensed ones!
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People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.

When would you say it becomes our business? How about when the parents parking for dropoff/pick-up block the area designated for MY vehicles or MY guests as they hang out and chat for twenty minutes every afternoon? How about when they actually block MY DRIVEWAY? How about when they hit MY CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME as they barrel out of the daycare's driveway? How about when a daycare parent parks in front on my home for well over an hour, blocking my garbage can and causing the weekly pick-up to skip collection at my home for the week?


Hmmm?

All happened.

Is it MY business then?

YOUR business should not interfere with me or my residence. If and when it does, then it becomes MY business.

These rules and regulations exist for a reason.

Oh, and btw, I happened to run a LICENSED home daycare for several years. So, yes, you better believe I will report anything not on the up-and-up.
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When would you say it becomes our business? How about when the parents parking for dropoff/pick-up block the area designated for MY vehicles or MY guests as they hang out and chat for twenty minutes every afternoon? How about when they actually block MY DRIVEWAY? How about when they hit MY CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME as they barrel out of the daycare's driveway? How about when a daycare parent parks in front on my home for well over an hour, blocking my garbage can and causing the weekly pick-up to skip collection at my home for the week?


Hmmm?

All happened.

Is it MY business then?

YOUR business should not interfere with me or my residence. If and when it does, then it becomes MY business.

These rules and regulations exist for a reason.

Oh, and btw, I happened to run a LICENSED home daycare for several years. So, yes, you better believe I will report anything not on the up-and-up.
All that could happen even with the provider being licensed if she lived next to you. And the original post that brought on this discussion didn't say it was the provider's choice of business that upset him/her it was whether or not they're licensed to care for children. Like a lot of other posts here, i'm wondering, unless there's neglect or abuse going on, why would you bother checking up on her? I mean, what are you going to do if she is licensed? Just a thought.
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When would you say it becomes our business? How about when the parents parking for dropoff/pick-up block the area designated for MY vehicles or MY guests as they hang out and chat for twenty minutes every afternoon? How about when they actually block MY DRIVEWAY? How about when they hit MY CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME as they barrel out of the daycare's driveway? How about when a daycare parent parks in front on my home for well over an hour, blocking my garbage can and causing the weekly pick-up to skip collection at my home for the week?


Hmmm?

All happened.

Is it MY business then?

YOUR business should not interfere with me or my residence. If and when it does, then it becomes MY business.

These rules and regulations exist for a reason.

Oh, and btw, I happened to run a LICENSED home daycare for several years. So, yes, you better believe I will report anything not on the up-and-up.

I think that if they are affecting you with their business then it is a good idea to try to talk to them about it. Whomever is running the daycare should speak to the parents about where to park (or not park) for pick up or drop offs. Its just common sense, they should be more considerate of their neighbors.

I used to pick up my friends daughter from daycare all the time and I was very careful where I parked so I didnt upset the neighbors. Too many people just dont think about anyone else but themselves.

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When would you say it becomes our business? How about when the parents parking for dropoff/pick-up block the area designated for MY vehicles or MY guests as they hang out and chat for twenty minutes every afternoon? How about when they actually block MY DRIVEWAY? How about when they hit MY CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME as they barrel out of the daycare's driveway? How about when a daycare parent parks in front on my home for well over an hour, blocking my garbage can and causing the weekly pick-up to skip collection at my home for the week?


Hmmm?

All happened.

Is it MY business then?

YOUR business should not interfere with me or my residence. If and when it does, then it becomes MY business.

These rules and regulations exist for a reason.

Oh, and btw, I happened to run a LICENSED home daycare for several years. So, yes, you better believe I will report anything not on the up-and-up.

I have some RUDE neighbors who are running an unlicensed daycare and they are constantly interfering with my parking situation and my other very nice neighbors' parking spaces. If they would like me to "mind my own business" then they should stop having their business interfere with my daily living. They should go out of their way to accommodate their neighbors. It just blows my mind that these particular people will not even respond to a nice smile and a "hello" or "good morning." I have no problem turning them in and will do so if I am continued to be pushed.
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When would you say it becomes our business? How about when the parents parking for dropoff/pick-up block the area designated for MY vehicles or MY guests as they hang out and chat for twenty minutes every afternoon? How about when they actually block MY DRIVEWAY? How about when they hit MY CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME as they barrel out of the daycare's driveway? How about when a daycare parent parks in front on my home for well over an hour, blocking my garbage can and causing the weekly pick-up to skip collection at my home for the week?


Hmmm?

All happened.

Is it MY business then?

YOUR business should not interfere with me or my residence. If and when it does, then it becomes MY business.

These rules and regulations exist for a reason.

Oh, and btw, I happened to run a LICENSED home daycare for several years. So, yes, you better believe I will report anything not on the up-and-up.
why is that? because you are better than the rest of them?? because you were licensed? give me a break. ANYONE can get licensed. doesnt mean that you are better or know more. Not by a long shot.
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Oh wow. Sounds like somebody is bitter!! Get a life, it is too short to be worried about someone hitting your stupid car. Big deal, if you seen them hit it, then surely you got the insurance information! Unless your, well, just lying to be bitter! Being happy is so much easier, just try it!
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When would you say it becomes our business? How about when the parents parking for dropoff/pick-up block the area designated for MY vehicles or MY guests as they hang out and chat for twenty minutes every afternoon? How about when they actually block MY DRIVEWAY? How about when they hit MY CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME as they barrel out of the daycare's driveway? How about when a daycare parent parks in front on my home for well over an hour, blocking my garbage can and causing the weekly pick-up to skip collection at my home for the week?


Hmmm?

All happened.

Is it MY business then?

YOUR business should not interfere with me or my residence. If and when it does, then it becomes MY business.

These rules and regulations exist for a reason.

Oh, and btw, I happened to run a LICENSED home daycare for several years. So, yes, you better believe I will report anything not on the up-and-up.
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When would you say it becomes our business? How about when the parents parking for dropoff/pick-up block the area designated for MY vehicles or MY guests as they hang out and chat for twenty minutes every afternoon? How about when they actually block MY DRIVEWAY? How about when they hit MY CAR PARKED IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME as they barrel out of the daycare's driveway? How about when a daycare parent parks in front on my home for well over an hour, blocking my garbage can and causing the weekly pick-up to skip collection at my home for the week?


Hmmm?

All happened.

Is it MY business then?

YOUR business should not interfere with me or my residence. If and when it does, then it becomes MY business.

These rules and regulations exist for a reason.

Oh, and btw, I happened to run a LICENSED home daycare for several years. So, yes, you better believe I will report anything not on the up-and-up.
Wow! You really ARE just sour!! AND jealous, OBVIOUSLY! You're TOTALLY not concerned with the children's well-being AT ALL. You're just trying to get them out of business so it'll come TO YOU! What a horrible person and neighbor you are! unbelievable!
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people need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.
i bet you would if in your neighborhood.
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If it is unlicensed, that's exactly why you report them, so they can be checked out and someone can see that they are on the up and up. Must there be a tragedy at the unlicensed place before something is done? If they cut corners on the license, they might be cutting corners elsewhere. If they have nothing to hide they will be fine. Report them you could save a kids life. A sex offender could be employed there you never know.
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People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.
The problem is that there are people out there that are doing all the legal steps to make a living in child care and people that are undercutting fees are taking in way to many children making it unsafe for the kids. State licensing is there for a reason. Being registured with the state holds the provider accountable it gives the parents leverage. Parents that want the best for their children should think b 4 they just leave their kids with just anyone. I feel good being able to tell my parents I am cpr and first aid certified, have insurance for any thing that may happen in my home, offer structured loving care and will never have too many children that i can not do my best to give each child what they need and deserve. There is a lady in my town that keeps 20 plus kids in her home by herself and any parent that thinks that is safe for their kid is crazy!!!
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People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.
What if you're not sure if the person is doing something illegal with the children, but you notice how unsanitary she is; leaving dirty diapers tied in bags outside the door all day long in the heat attracting flies & gnats? Makes me wonder what the inside is like or if she just sweeps trash to a hidden location while the parents are dropping off the children. How about when they are blocking the entrances & exits & you try to reason with your neighbor, but she is so crazy she threatens to call the police & when they show up they tell her that SHE is becoming a nuisance for calling for no reason & threaten to lock her up if she calls again because she & her guests are at fault since there is a NO PARKING sign where they like to park & congregate. I have no problem with people making their money, but when it starts to interfere with my world, it becomes MY PROBLEM!!! The problem with world today is that people like you don't care enough!!!
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just my two cents, I am currently unlicensed and am not legally required to be licensed. I am aware of the state regulations and programs and do not see licensing to provide any advantage to my program nor am I wanting to increase the number of kids here. I have no problem keeping my spots full and all of the parents are aware that I am unlicensed (but still "legal"). Some people are like me and have the education, etc, etc to be licensed but just don't. That doesn't reflect the quality of care the kids here receive.
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People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.
It's her business because that many children create a lot of chaos. I know. The provider pockets the cash, the neighbors have to live with the situation created.
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People need to mind there business. If she is not bothering you, then why are you worried. Let that woman make her money. If she was abusing or neglecting the children, nobody would have anything to say. That's what is wrong with the world today, people report the wrong things.
Thank you.. Some people running a licensed daycare are abusive to children and the parents are fooled, foolish or ignore the problem. People of any age can be great care providers and people also often look down on younger providers, but I believe they have more energy and patients for children and what children need. When kids are young they don't get a say and coming from an abusive childhood where people are more concerned about what isn't there business than what should be like a good neighbor for years who ignores the abuse of their neighbors children because they "don't want to get in the middle of it" and then there are both sides who suffer because the inosent people get accused for things they aren't doing wrong and the people who should be accused for what they're doing wrong go Scott free. This seems to be the case with so many situations.
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Thank you.. Some people running a licensed daycare are abusive to children and the parents are fooled, foolish or ignore the problem. People of any age can be great care providers and people also often look down on younger providers, but I believe they have more energy and patients for children and what children need. When kids are young they don't get a say and coming from an abusive childhood where people are more concerned about what isn't there business than what should be like a good neighbor for years who ignores the abuse of their neighbors children because they "don't want to get in the middle of it" and then there are both sides who suffer because the inosent people get accused for things they aren't doing wrong and the people who should be accused for what they're doing wrong go Scott free. This seems to be the case with so many situations.

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Are those of you protecting the unlicensed provider who are also unlicensed paying taxes on your earnings?
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Are those of you protecting the unlicensed provider who are also unlicensed paying taxes on your earnings?
Please don't make assumptions like this about unlicensed providers. I have been a provider for 9 years and done it legally every step of the way. I am beginning to think that many of you are just jealous that some of us have build a good business and actually making a living at it. Plain and simply....unless you know it is FACT, mind your own business.
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Please don't make assumptions like this about unlicensed providers. I have been a provider for 9 years and done it legally every step of the way. I am beginning to think that many of you are just jealous that some of us have build a good business and actually making a living at it. Plain and simply....unless you know it is FACT, mind your own business.
Amen! I think this is the biggest misconception about unlicensed providers! I too have been a provider for quite some time now and have also done it legally every step of the way! In other words.....I pay my taxes just like you!!!! I would also like to add that if you were to break down my weekly rate it only adds up to be about 1.90 and hour when i am entitled to at least min. wage!! So let me ask you this, would you work for 1.90 and hour or even min. wage at your job? Oh and please keep in mind that i do have 15 years under my belt!!! So please don't assume!
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Please don't make assumptions like this about unlicensed providers. I have been a provider for 9 years and done it legally every step of the way. I am beginning to think that many of you are just jealous that some of us have build a good business and actually making a living at it. Plain and simply....unless you know it is FACT, mind your own business.
I couldn't agree more! I have been doing Day Care for over 20 years and I am UNLICENSED in my State. I pay my taxes, I take continued education for CPR, Food Handling, and also Parenting Classes.

The problem in today's society is when your neighbor wants to make your business THEIR business!
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Are those of you protecting the unlicensed provider who are also unlicensed paying taxes on your earnings?
Iíll stand up & protect a legally unlicensed provider.

1. Iíve paid taxes since a teenager.
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If you choose someone who is unlicensed, be sure they are following the law. In Minnesota a person may do unlicensed care if they care for relatives and one unrelated family. This includes the caregiverís own children.

A person cannot do unlicensed care if they have applied for child care and they were denied a license, had their license revoked, or their license is currently suspended. You can check if a person has had a negative action on a license by calling your countyís social service licensing department,

If a person is caring for more children and is doing so illegally, you may have your child care disrupted by the fact that they may be cited for illegal child care. This could cause a problem in looking for alternative care without having the time to choose carefully, as well as being a disruption to your child. Using illegal unlicensed care is risky and ill-advised.

There is nothing wrong with being unlicensed-but being licensed has so many more benefits-:-)
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I was wondering if someone could help me find out what the regulations are for an unlicensed childcare provider in the state of NY. I've been trying to figure it out and keep coming to dead ends because everything I've found is about licensed care! I already do childcare but I've gotten so many contradictory answers from people on another site that I'm really confused now! I don't know where to turn. I want to be sure that I'm following my state's regulations properly.
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I was wondering if someone could help me find out what the regulations are for an unlicensed childcare provider in the state of NY. I've been trying to figure it out and keep coming to dead ends because everything I've found is about licensed care! I already do childcare but I've gotten so many contradictory answers from people on another site that I'm really confused now! I don't know where to turn. I want to be sure that I'm following my state's regulations properly.
I live in NY. The law says that if you are unlisenced you may not care for more than 2 unrelated children at one time. If you have 3 children in care, but only 2 at one time, that is legal. If it is family then you are allowed more, but need to apply as a legally exempt provider. I was unlisenced for many years and just recently became registered. I now can be a part of CACFP, where I get a large check per month to reimburse me for serving healthy meals. Call the child care council and they will give it to you straight. They are employed by OCFS.
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my question is the same as one of the other posts ---how do you know 100% that this person is UN-licensed???????????????????

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my question is the same as one of the other posts ---how do you know 100% that this person is UN-licensed???????????????????

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The only things that should matter are:

Do you see unattended kids, do you see them playing outside (are they happy, are they running into the street, etc...), does she leave them with teens, etc... If you see or hear something that doesn't sound right, then you should call licensing and let them know, they can check it out (don't call unless you feel you have reason to), the most important thing is the kids safety and well being.
If you see more than the allowed # of kids (for being licensed or unlicensed in your state).
If you are unsure, you can ask her (tell her you want to find out about her daycare, how she runs it, her policies, etc...).
You just might see she has a great daycare and learn something about being self employed and running a daycare. You could find out she is licensed or unlicensed and she follows the law or you could find out she is breaking the law. You could end up really liking the way she runs her daycare and be word of mouth advertising and referring her business to parents.
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I was just looking up the laws concerning watching two children in my unlicensed home and trying to make sure I was educating myself on our tax laws as well when I ran across this. I would just like to say I am quiting my part time job due to my child not getting proper care from a licensed provider and was approached immediately about watching a friends children who also had this same experience. The only person upset with me doing this is the LICENSED provider who thinks I am taking business. There are plenty of shady things going on in her house, and even after being reported no one seems to care. She steals more money from the state than she pays in taxes!
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I know a person who does unlicensed daycare in her home under a "fake" business name. The "business" name is not registered in the state or any other database as a business therefore there is no EID or tax ID number. I personally know she is unlicensed because she told me so. I also know she has had 6-8 kids at one time, including her two children. She requires mounds of paperwork with poorly written "legal-ese" in it. She stated that she claims the daycare income on her taxes, but when asked for her SSN or tax ID for me to claim the daycare expenses on my taxes, she refused. Sounds shady to me. She also claims to "own" 5 businesses...they're no more than websites that she apparently scams money from people through., but that's beside the point here.

This, in my opinion, is someone who should be reported.
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my question is the same as one of the other posts ---how do you know 100% that this person is un-licensed???????????????????

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you can go to city hall or just call give them their address and they will tell you if they have one or not.
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you could always go over there and talk to her, maybe just ask her how she runs it, ask her if you can look around because you might want to put a friends kid in there. Most providers if they are running it correctly have no fears and have a open door policy! Be interested in the profession and be a good neighbour!
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I also run an unlicensed child care. I only keep 3 children at a time (I could keep up to 5), I claim every bit of my earnings and pay taxes on them, and I also operate by word of mouth parents. I have never had a parent who has not introduced me to another parent who needs childcare and I have had to turn down many families. I think it all boils down to children's safety. Obviously the parents who put their children in unlicensed child care know the risks. Hopefully these parents would do their own inspecting before they would leave their children with someone they didn't know. I do agree that if there is any suspicion that the children are being mistreated authorities should be called, but it sounds like you are a bitter neighbor who's conflict is neighbor issues, not issues of the wellbeing of the children. Contact the neighbor and then authorities if they block your driveway, contact them if your car is hit, contact them if there is any other neighboring problems. Don't assume that things aren't legit if you have no proof. There are many people who would rather someone they know watch their children in a home environment than put them in a licensed daycare that have 8-12 children per adult.
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What are the consequences from operating an UNLICENSED daycare in IL? Is there a fine to pay? I am unlicensed and have run a home daycare for 3 1/2 years now. ALL the parents that I babysit for KNOW that I am unlicensed, it isn't something that I hide. And I claim ALL OF MY INCOME! I give them my SSN at the end of the year with a total of daycare paid. Everything is completely safe but I'm just not licensed. The process is going to require me to take time off AND find a daycare to put my own children in. I'm worried about being turned in for NOT being licensed.

I hate to put the parents out when they DON'T CARE if I'm licensed or not. They are going to have to make other arrangements while I take these classes.
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You don't have to take any classes to be licensed in Illinois, except first aid/CPR, and those classes are usually on the weekend. Other than getting a TB test, physical, and home visit there aren't too many other requirements (other than safety standards in the home) There is annual training hours you have to take, but those can be easily accumulated through food programs and maybe a couple weekend workshops or meetings with a home childcare provider association. Where I could see you getting hit is the home visits from DCFS if you have a bunch of children present. I'm not sure what would happen there. It might be worth your time just to find some information out from you local Childcare Resource and Referral agency.
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Not all states require that you be licensed. I do no think that in IL it is required.
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Interesting all of this speculation. I am an RN part time weekends, and have been providing in home child care for 17 years. No accidents ever. I have certainly had poor parents enter my home and after asking them to leave they always then threaten DHS or CPS. Never prior to angering them. I am choosy about who I allow in my home and run a very structured fun and safe daycare. I sometimes over the years have even bigger groups than I should due to growing families that have been with me already for years past. Its hard to let them go. They become like family. I pay taxes always. I spend a great deal of the 110.00 I make (per child) on my daycare whether it be cleaning supplies, food , toys or other activities. I pay a helper for when we go on outings 7.25 per hour and I love the kids I watch. They are my family. I refuse to treat them as if they are part of a business. I have all of the training one could need. CPR infant CPR. I AM NOT Licensed!! It requires only half of the training I have and is somewhat costly. I have great credentials and have no room at this time for more children. Why would anyone call and ask for an investigation of my home other than vengeance? Read the paper and see what the states are given that almighty piece of paper to. Please use CPS for a better purpose than just stirring up trouble for an unknown person. Make better use of their time.

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I felt I should add to this topic after reading the posts. I am currently an unlicensed home care provider. I owned a large center for 10 years that was licensed. Hard as I tried, my staff didn't always follow the rules when they thought no one was looking. Having a license DOES NOT mean that the rules are being followed. In fact, I think that unlicensed providers work harder to follow the rules because they have more to lose if they dont. If a licensed provider doesn't was his or her hands after a diaper change? They get written up, but they don't lose their business. If an unlicensed provider doesn't wash? It becomes a federal case and she is closed down.

I am unlicensed because I do not believe having a license makes you a good caregiver and I do not believe in the system. I have seen the people who work for the state first hand and I have seen the inconsistancy and lack of knowledge these people posess. I believe child care is between the parent and the provider. End of story. If a parent is happy, they will stay where they are. If they are unhappy, they will leave. Child abuse and neglect is a sad fact of life. But it will happen, license or not. Parents should take responsiblilty to ensure their children are safe. By putting their faith in a system that is outdated, underfunded and often run by people with no background in early childhood education parents have a false sense of trust. Parents visit the daycare everyday. How often does the state visit the center?

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Illinois has some of the strictest licensing requirements unless you watch only 3 or fewer children which includes providers own children you need to be licensed and you must have 15 hours of training BEFORE starting which include SIDS and Shaken baby syndrome and fingerprint and background checks for all ppl living in the home over the age of 13
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Hello I was curious if in the state of massachusett it is legal to watch two children from the same family without being licensed for a short amount of hours weekely?
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Family child care regulations exempt some care taking relationships from licensure, including occasional care and informal cooperative arrangements among neighbors or friends. Child care must be either licensed/licensable (license required) or exempt (no license required). Exempt care cannot be combined with licensed care.

In determining whether a care taking arrangement is exempt from licensure, the Department first determines whether a family child care home is operating on a regular basis. If it is, then the Department reviews the child care being provided to determine whether it is an informal cooperative arrangement or the occasional care of children.

Regular Basis

A family child care home is operating on a "regular basis" if the care is available for more than one day per week and for more than eight weeks in a twelve-month period. If the care being provided does not meet both of these criteria, it is not subject to licensure.

Occasional Care

Occasional care occurs when no child is present more than one day per week or more than a total of 8 hours in a week, or when no child is in care for more than 30 days from the initial date of placement. If the care provided does not exceed either of these limits, then it is not subject to licensure.

Informal Cooperative Arrangement

Care taking is an informal cooperative arrangement among neighbors or relatives if any of the following circumstances apply:
all children in care are related to the caretaker by blood, marriage or adoption; or
parents care for each other's children on an equal, informal basis. They do so by feeding, napping, diapering or supervising the child(ren). There are no hired personnel and no-one receives monetary or non-monetary compensation for their services; or
care is provided to only one child unrelated to the caretaker and is determined to be informal and cooperative because the relationship between the caretaker and parent(s) is based on friendship or common interests such as school, community, church, charitable or volunteer work or similar activities, and the relationship between the parents and the caretaker pre-dates the care taking situation.

In making any determination on an application for exemption, the Department will consider whether the caretaker is currently or was formally licensed by the Department or by OCCS and if so, whether the Department or OCCS has taken legal action against the caretaker or accepted a voluntary surrender of a license in circumstances where enforcement would have been justified. Further, the Department will consider whether the caretaker cooperated with the Department or OCCS and was truthful in providing the information necessary to evaluate the exemption request.
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What are the consequences from operating an UNLICENSED daycare in IL? Is there a fine to pay? I am unlicensed and have run a home daycare for 3 1/2 years now. ALL the parents that I babysit for KNOW that I am unlicensed, it isn't something that I hide. And I claim ALL OF MY INCOME! I give them my SSN at the end of the year with a total of daycare paid. Everything is completely safe but I'm just not licensed. The process is going to require me to take time off AND find a daycare to put my own children in. I'm worried about being turned in for NOT being licensed.

I hate to put the parents out when they DON'T CARE if I'm licensed or not. They are going to have to make other arrangements while I take these classes.
Hello Fellow Illinoisan,
I am in the same boat, want to go from lic. exempt w/ 3 children to more children (the correct ages) and can't honestly afford to close my business for 6 months ? while I wait for licensing. If there is such a shortage of qualtiy dc in Il. then they should do a rush process for these cases where dc is being offered, so that families and myself are not put out.
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Whether a person is registered or not doesn't mean you get better care. Was a registered provide and any tom dick or harry can file a report on you everyday and the state then makes you jump thru hoops just to try and keep your licenses. I understand believe me i have 5 grown kids of my own and we have to protect the next generation. But when you have your whole life and family put thru the mill and all allegations are unfound then you wonder why people don't what to go thru all the hassle of becoming license when your license does little to protect you. I have my credentials in FDC and CDA i go to every possible trainings I can to improve my daycare only to be slapped in the face after 6 yrs of having my own daycare I gave them my license the other day the registor is a nightmare i swear the job has gone to her head. I just feel sorry for all the people I help. I provided care days evenings and weekends and now who's going to do it, i was the only license facility in a 65 mile radius. But unfortunately when it starts hurting my family and other people I have no choice. Then they wonder why people aren't license
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What are the consequences from operating an UNLICENSED daycare in IL? Is there a fine to pay? I am unlicensed and have run a home daycare for 3 1/2 years now. ALL the parents that I babysit for KNOW that I am unlicensed, it isn't something that I hide. And I claim ALL OF MY INCOME! I give them my SSN at the end of the year with a total of daycare paid. Everything is completely safe but I'm just not licensed. The process is going to require me to take time off AND find a daycare to put my own children in. I'm worried about being turned in for NOT being licensed.

I hate to put the parents out when they DON'T CARE if I'm licensed or not. They are going to have to make other arrangements while I take these classes.
There are MANY ONLINE courses that can be taken to meet the guide lines for state of IL I know if you are turned in for operating unlicensed daycare in IL you will be shut down and parents will have no choice but to find alternate care. There is very little cost to getting licensed ( CPR class Maybe ?? but most can be found for free at fire stations etc ) outlet covers, baby gates, fire extinguisher, smoke detectors, basic safety items really. As a licensed provider I feel if your not hiding anything and are dong everything right then why not be licensed What is the upside to be unlicensed ??
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I'll tell what makes it my business.....i have to pay taxes on my earnings. This daycare providers income is hers!!!!!!!!!! She drives a new car (a charger). I guess it pays well. That along with all the welfare she qualifies for because her income is not reported.....yeah, it makes me mad as hell!!!!!!!!!!
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I have been trying to decide if I want to become a liscenced provider or not. I want ot go above and BEYOND what is required for the liscensing daycares . The main reason why I don't think i could get a liscense is because after reading the requirements, I cannot meet one,and it is something very minor . In my state they do not want a home child provider to have a dog ANYwhere that the children will be in that home. I have a indoor dog and she would never be left unsupervised. She does spend a bit of her time gated in our kitchen or luandry room. But this won't work,because uner the rules i would have to keep er somewhere where the chidlren woudln't be. That would have to be in my luandry room,or my bedroom. I feel it would be inhumane to keep a dog in one room(away from all people) pretty much all day long. She is great with kids ,doesn't bite,etc..etc.. and like I said i would never allow her to run free if i was not in the same room,if i couldn't watch her I would gate her in the kitchen. My food prep area would be on the counters. Her head is about 8inches off the floor,so she'd never ever affect food . I'd keep her medical records as proof of her being up to date on everything. I would even print out all the state guidelines for a licensed home child care provider so the parents can see that I am gonig above and beyond those requirements. I just can't give up my dog or put her up in another room all day long.
Also, I would keep only the amount of kids legally allowed for a unliscenced daycare (2 ),at least starting out,then I'd only want no more than 4kids at a time longterm. I want to save my $ first so Icould have a set up that blows away any (home) daycare I have seen yet.
With that said, do you all think it is a good thing to have paperwork showing the requiremtns to so parents can see (on their own) that I have exceeded those requirements? It seems some parents care more about lisencing regardless of the quality of care they are actually getting.
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Mom/nurse/tax payer ,
Did you ever think that she gets assistance from the gov (I am assuming this is what you mean by Welfare) Because she just doesn't make enough,even with her daycare income?
I know someone who is a LISCENCED registerd daycare and very qualified,but because she is a signle mom and has a house payment,car,payment,insurance,etc..etc..etc..etc.. she still qualifies for assistance in some form or another ? I know becuase I used this person before and She has a tx id number .
IF I ever get the daycare I am dreaming of having one day, whether it is liscenced or not, I know I will pay my taxes because I believe in obeying the law. Don't judge everyone because there might be a few out there who might not be paying taxes,etc..
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I am in Iowa and you only have to be registered when you have 6 or more children, this includes your own that are NOT school age.
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I have to pipe in here...

Although I've been a registered provider since 2008, I worked for many, many years as an unlicensed provider because I chose to only watch 1 to 3 children at a time. During this time, even though it wasn't required, I received my infant/child CPR certification, Food Handler's certification, was cleared by the criminal data base, and took
continuing education classes in child development. I did this because I wanted to give the best service possible.

So... The moral of the story is... There are many unlicensed providers who pay taxes and give premium service (as I did). On the other hand, there are many UP's who don't follow any health and/or safety guildlines and those are the ones to steer clear of.

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wow I just came on here to see what the requirements were for running an in home day care. amazing to see how hateful perfect strangers can be to each other... confused is this a informational site or a pi**ing match?
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Do not let the State scare you with their anger talk. As long as you love the children - spend quality time with them - thats all it matter. What can they throw you in jail for?. Oh you make MONEY!!? .. Seriously that's what this world is boiling down too - who makes the most money.. And reading topics before mine - unlicensed daycare is just as better as a licensed daycare?.. Yes I agree!!.

I watch the news every day & hear licensed daycares having their licensed revoke due to neglecting child(s) - physical abuse and so on. I'll tell you this - back in the 1970's before the law past that anyone oroviding care for more than two families are required to be licensed!. WELL watching the news everyday for number of years, I see more & more children being sexually,physically & emotionally abused in a licensed daycare. So in another words - back in the years before the law past to be licensed, children were better off in a private home daycare.Being a licensed daycare is STRESSFUL because they're so many strict regulations & the more money you make - the more taxes you have to pay back to the government!. And with a license certificate - the state can come to your home anytime they want & you are not allow to lock them out or you'll have your license revoked!.Being a license family home provider - you have to run the daycare the way the state wants you too.

I'm not talking about spanking a child because that is ABUSE!. I'm talking about semi-structure - close to running a preschool some what.Being licensed with the State - The State OWNS YOUR HOME & has access to your home anytime..So with the State being all over you and owning you - it does make it hard to be licensed & its not fair to the children to fear you,(that your nervous).As a mother myself to four beautiful children - a granddaughter, I do not have a record of being a child abuser. I have a CPR certificate in children and adult. I know how to raise children properly. So many, many family home licensed daycares are opening everyday & alot of those licensed daycares are getting their licensed revoked everydat!. Your better off running a private home daycare.

If you suspect your being investigated because your running a daycare - don't fear because your nothing comparing to those licensed daycares that are being shut down everyday!. My yard is protected with safe equipments & I have been running a private daycare for years.. Parents that have their children in my daycare prefer a unlicensed daycare anyways and refuse to talk to the state because they know they're out to look for trouble..I except checks to and have cashed them for years. What the State doesn't find - you'll be alright. Like I said - it's all money talk and bull**** walks. I mention above - I watch the news everyday,(read the newspaper where the Stare has revoked daycares and were cited into court where the Daycares have got their licensed back). YES the state HAS revoked daycares for wrong reasons and have lost and had to give the daycare providers their licensed back... Believe it or not, they're SO MANY,MANY in home daycares licensed with no High School dIploma.Any High School drop out can get licensed with the State to run a daycare. So again, your better off to be private!. Its less headaches to deal with the State owning your home & you!. I have had suspious vechiles watching me & cops coming to my house. Without a warrant, the cops have to leave. And being watch, I have just as much rights to have them leave.Its Stalking & against the law!. Without evidence and being a proud parent and a Daycare parent - thats all it matters. Your fine & I'm still running a private daycare in my home,(have been for years) & I love it!!.

Children have their freedom, especially during the summer vacation when school is out. But being licensed with the State - children have less freedom and have to have semi school all year around with no break!. Is that fair to the children?...My daycare children can not wait to come to my home & believe it or not, the kids actually kick their parents out.LOL They are happy- go lucky kids!...
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I live in a townhouse community. Two doors down from me are people renting a small, 3 bedroom townhouse. The couple that seem to permanently live there have been heard having domestic arguments. I banged down the door one afternoon when I smelled smoke and heard fire alarms going off for 10 minutes to have the guy come to the door in a confused state--he either sleeps incredibly soundly or he was drunk or high. I hear the way she screams blue murder at her kids when they're just dorking around like kids do... moving slow, not coming inside when they're told, etc. But she seems to take it to the extreme and screams at them. The kids are little--all under 5. Today I watched an SUV load up 8 kids who had to all be under the age of 5. Given how quickly the kids were shoved into the car, I really have to doubt if they had car seats and seatbelts for them all. I'm worried for the kids and I'm concerned for my neighborhood. THe house has numerous cars coming and going from the house. The people come and go with radios blaring, then people get out and hang around their cars cackling and yacking on their cell phones for 10, 20, 30 mins at a time. THe rest of the neighborhood is a quiet, low key kind of place. I've personally witnessed realtors come in with potential renters/buyers while all of this is going on and I can only imagine what they're thinking. Hoopdy's out front, woman screaming borderline obscenities at their tiny children, 20-something year old fathers high as a kite. In this situation I'm wondering whether to report the place as a possible unlicensed day care--for the sake of those kids and the neighborhood.
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I live in a townhouse community. Two doors down from me are people renting a small, 3 bedroom townhouse. The couple that seem to permanently live there have been heard having domestic arguments. I banged down the door one afternoon when I smelled smoke and heard fire alarms going off for 10 minutes to have the guy come to the door in a confused state--he either sleeps incredibly soundly or he was drunk or high. I hear the way she screams blue murder at her kids when they're just dorking around like kids do... moving slow, not coming inside when they're told, etc. But she seems to take it to the extreme and screams at them. The kids are little--all under 5. Today I watched an SUV load up 8 kids who had to all be under the age of 5. Given how quickly the kids were shoved into the car, I really have to doubt if they had car seats and seatbelts for them all. I'm worried for the kids and I'm concerned for my neighborhood. THe house has numerous cars coming and going from the house. The people come and go with radios blaring, then people get out and hang around their cars cackling and yacking on their cell phones for 10, 20, 30 mins at a time. THe rest of the neighborhood is a quiet, low key kind of place. I've personally witnessed realtors come in with potential renters/buyers while all of this is going on and I can only imagine what they're thinking. Hoopdy's out front, woman screaming borderline obscenities at their tiny children, 20-something year old fathers high as a kite. In this situation I'm wondering whether to report the place as a possible unlicensed day care--for the sake of those kids and the neighborhood.
If you are EVER, EVER concerned about the safety of a child report.
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IN HAWAII I don't understand why people don't get licensed. It is super easy here. Basically all you have to do is get background checked, FBI fingerprinted, Employee history checked, and have your house checked. you don't have to take any classes or anything. Also here you can only have two children unrelated to you. So if I were a parent I would be a little suspicious of my provider if she wasn't licensed. There are plenty of people who seem so friendly and nice and turn out to be complete lunatics behind closed doors. If I were a parent and was going to bring my children to an unlicensed childcare I would at least ask for a background check. I am in no way saying that any of you unlicensed childcare providers are in anyway lunatics or not fit to watch children.

Also, lets try to be a little civil. You are either a parent or a provider if you are on this forum which means you should be setting examples and acting like adults. There is no need to get immediately defensive and type aggressive things. We all know better than that. If our kids were fighting like some of you are, we would put them in a time out.
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I find it funny how people have the time argue with someone on the internet and to assume they know the reason for wanting to know how to report an unlicensed day care. I really don't see why an unlicensed day care provider should be made out to be anything other one big excuse. The whole point to being licensed is to know our children are safe, sure you might be unlicensed and a great care provider but how do any of us know since we're all out at work while you watch our children. No surveyor is going to drop in on you to do a check to make sure you're following guidelines if they don't know about you. If someone wants to report an unlicensed provider they can, don't get so ticked off about it. After all they are following the rules unlike the provider.
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The idea that anyone who is unlicensed providing childcare should be "turned in" is ignorant. If someone is clearly violating the exempt childcare provider guidelines(taking more children on then is allowed with the ratio rules) then I can see it may be necessary to report. Here in NY a few things are true, if I have three of my own children I can watch an additional two children though only two of them can be under the age of 2 without being licensed; if I operate a preschool I do not have to be regulated in anyway(no licensing required in Ny state what so ever) scary but true, you cannot turn in a provider who is running a preschool simply for being unlicensed, the State does not regulate preschools in the same way they regulate daycare. You need to know your states rules before you go flying off the deep end about licenses. Many unlicensed providers provide excellent care. Many stay at home Moms are unlicensed providers not interested in jumping through the hoops to get a license mostly because it is a temporary position so they can stay at home with their children too. It is not (contrary to a few posters positions), some sneaky move to hide illegal wrongdoings. If you think a provider is violating rules that place the children in danger whether they are licensed or unlicensed should not make a difference you turn them in.
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I also have a neighbor that is not licensed. She is not a stable person. I don't think it is healthy for the children.
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Unlicensed and licensed childcare facilities can be equally bad or appalling. I sent my son to a large licensed center one summer - it was great - and yanked him the next summer because of negligent medical care relating to an untreated asthma incident and a gash on his foot. I put him into a home daycare and she was great! She inspired to start my own; we both run clean, safe and comfortable home daycares for our kids. Our kids love us, and I am teaching my two who go into K next year to read and write, as I want them to be ahead. While WE are both licensed, I also know unlicensed providers in the area who offer programming, outings, and high levels of safety and comfort to their children. Licensing DOES NOT guarrantee a quality or safe program, just hopefully that the provider is not a pedophile and has not had TB. That's it. That's all you get in the end. A super clean home should be a red flag. A home covered in grime and smelling like cat urine should be a red flag. Happy kids in either case are great! Parents have a responsibility to their children to perform due diligence when researching childcare, and to look up any complaints and ask for references - and to know what questions to ask those references.

For the lady whose neighbor is allowing the parents to block her driveway and hit her car - that's not right. Report it as a hit and run. That's what it is. And it's illegal to block someone's driveway. It's just rude. But be careful also, you don't want to make an enemy (unless she is committing some sort of crime there then by all means, make an enemy).

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. A super clean home should be a red flag. A home covered in grime and smelling like cat urine should be a red flag.
I'm just wondering why on earth a super clean home should be a red flag? That seems like an odd statement to make.
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can i ask why it bothers you if she is or is not?? I agree that eveyone should have to follow the rules, but maybe she is not aware of the rules....

Maybe you can ask her, help her instead of hurt her. What about all of those kids...what will happen to them...

she may be the most loving provider and it could devistate those children if they lost her...

even though it may upset you that someone is not following the rules, maybe there is a reason why..

open your heart and mind and reach out to this person so that they dont lose everything they have. If you are a person with a good heart and a soul you would help them instead of hurt them......

You never know what someone else situtaion is.........

I feel your frustration, but do you really know the providers situation?
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Having a licensed day care is a huge responsibility. The larger your day care the more people you answer to on a daily basis. You have the children to care for without the children you have no day care, (if the State comes in and closes you down what happens to the children then, will the parents still feel comfortable leaving their children in your care after that?) Your staff needs to be educated and trained properly to care for the children in your care. Meet the health and safety laws that are required of a home day care. This should also include the State day care regulations. You are accountable to State Licensing Agency, Food Program, Liability Insurance company, (this protects you and your business from allegations that can be made against you by a parent or someone who chooses to call you in to Social Services because they are upset with you over something silly. The license is your way of stating that your heart and intentions should be in the right place and you are willing to put yourself and your reputation on the line to care for another persons child. The majority of providers understand whats at stake here they do go the extra mile to put themselves in a bad situation. Situations come from lack of education and not knowing how to protect yourself and your business with less liability. Most allegations are misleading, when the state comes out if your following the rules your allegations will written as unfounded. If your up front and honest with your parents and they know everything that goes on in your day care. They will back you up and support you and your day care. Have written policies in place for parents and employees that cuts down your liability. Know your laws and regulations, yeah you will slip up we are not perfect. The state will always find something that is their job. You also get all the write offs that come with the business when your licensed. Advertising requires that you show your license license number any time you advertise your business and are looking for clients. (On line or in the newspaper) you can be fined for not having a license number. Payroll for your Employees, DOJ clearance on each of your employees, If your unlicensed who is checking up on your help making sure the children in your care are safe and protected from unwanted sexual offenders? How about yourself what kind of guarantee does the parent have that you have a clean bill of health and cleared DOJ/Clear child index record on file. When your licensed, your parents know that you have jumped through all those hoops and everyone in that household over 18 years of age have been cleared and there is a record on all these people should anything go wrong, this protects you. The State keeps track of the people residing in your home. TB tests should be run on the Director to make sure their is no spreading of TB and all Directors and at least one helper should have CPR/Child/Infant, First Aid. You are also accountable to EDD, Workman's Comp, Unemployment taxes, State Disability Insurance, United States Treasury (Federal- for your Self-Employment Taxes), business bookkeeping making sure your cash flow meets the needs of your day care on a daily basis. Large day cares have to have a city permit and be approved by the Fire Department to make sure the children in your care are protected in case of an emergency. It's not fair to the providers who have set up their businesses followed all the laws, pay their taxes on their business while unlicensed providers work under the table and have no legal obligations to follow all the rules we are required to follow. You should have a daily curriculum and activities set up for the children in your care. Yes, licensed providers get written up by the State, as long as your doing your job and your records are in order, and your facility meets the major requirements of the State they are not going to shut you down. Yes, they will hold you accountable for the infractions. But, at the end of the day you have the piece of mind of not having to worry about what's going to happen if someone turns me in for running an unlicensed facility. What happens if a child has a seizure that has been fever induced or someone falls and gets hurt. You have to make an emergency phone call for help. We are required to fill out an Unusual Incident Report which covers us as licensed providers, the emergency providers will file a report with Social Services explaining in great detail the events leading up to the incident and they will report if you are in fact licensed or unlicensed along with how many children were in your care at the time. If your licensed or unlicensed you will get a follow up visit from Social Services with in day or so of that report being sent to them. It's not worth risk of something happening that is out of your control, at that point they are going to scrutinize everything about you, your business, they can talk to the parents, the children, your help, your neighbors you are opening up all areas of your life to the Department of Social Services and heaven help you if they find someone there that has a criminal back ground and no background check or Exemption Status as been issued by the Department of Social Services. I personally would rather fight with all my ducks in row, rather than go in fighting like I may have something to hide by not following the rules and giving them the upper hand in a bad situation that was out everyone's control. This can give then grounds to deny a future day care license to you for endangering the safety and well being of a child while in your care.
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can i ask why it bothers you if she is or is not?? I agree that eveyone should have to follow the rules, but maybe she is not aware of the rules....

Maybe you can ask her, help her instead of hurt her. What about all of those kids...what will happen to them...

she may be the most loving provider and it could devistate those children if they lost her...

even though it may upset you that someone is not following the rules, maybe there is a reason why..

open your heart and mind and reach out to this person so that they dont lose everything they have. If you are a person with a good heart and a soul you would help them instead of hurt them......

You never know what someone else situtaion is.........

I feel your frustration, but do you really know the providers situation?
Good points lvt!
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I agree that licensed or un-licensed you need to follow the rules of your state. Follow the law...... I have fees, training requirements, lots of paperwork, drop in visits etc... in order for me to be licensed. Who is holding un-licensed to be accountable for proper training in cpr or first aid. I am sure there is great providers and bad providers no matter if you are licensed or not.
It is the business of all if she is not reporting her income and living off of the government and getting huge tax breaks etc. I have to report my income and pay in. Everyone has a story. I would hope in either way honesty is always the best policy and do what your gut is telling you to do is right. Make sure for the kids sake she is following your state laws.
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At the beginning of this strand when the poster asked what his or her state regulations,

Everyone judged and argued before truly asking why they wanted to report. Up to five kids-fine, taxes-gray area as a professional childcare provider and one subsidized daycare owner I can say we don't make much with those low ratios. But I found my way to message board to try to find out how to report an a home daycare I recently assisted at. There were regularly 15-22 children in the home, it was filthly, and her care for child 2 years and above was to put them in of two rooms to watch televison and play video games. If they came out the rooms other than to use the restroom they were lterally yelled at to go back to the room and sometimes "swatted"!

Infants and toddlers were locked in room for hours with fan on so as to dull their sreaming because as she put it "there was nothing else to do with them". When I briefly cuddled an ill infant she asked me not to hold the babies so they did not "get spoiled."

She wiped childrens faces and hands with same rags used to wipe counters, tables, and floors. Her idea of me assisting her was to leave alone all day and come there only during child drop-off and pick-up so the parents thought she was there all along. She made at $3,000 a week and didi report any. So much ,in fact, that the home daycare was her first home, the home she and family lived in is a much larger home in nearby, nicer neighborhood.

So, yes-there is for consistant oversight and liscensing. Come on people, we are talking about here!
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My kids were going to an unlicensed daycare. That said. My lady was really good, until she started getting greedy. She fired my daughter after leavinig her outside all day for time out. YES FOLKS OUTSIDE!!! She has about 15 to 20 kids at any given time, and about almost all of them, are under the age of 3. She doesn't pay taxes on more than $3K per child, because thats all you can benefit from in the Child Care Credit world. So this gal, is pulling in 150K a year and only claiming on about 45K per year.

It is the responsibility of the parent, as it was mine, to find the best care for my child. I kept turning a blind eye. After the incident above, I was ready to pull my baby girl anyway.
Bottom line, it is not anyone's business to decide if it is a good daycare or not based on licensing, it is our responsibility as a parents to put our children in good hands. So shame on us if we didn't/don't.
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The real question is WHY isn't she licensed? Of course it's our business. If someone is operating a business outside of the law that requires a license then it is against the law. What if a doctor in town was running a clinic without a professional license? These protections are in place for the safety of children and respect for the market.

If she is operating a legally unlicensed child care business, then unless we see neglect or abuse it is none of our business.

Sorry for the anonymous post; I'm not registered for this site yet, but I just had to respond.

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I agree that each daycare needs to fall within guidelines from the state but until parents demand it and refuse to use those who don't follow the rules, it will continue.

In my state a provider doesn't need to be licensed for up to 5 kids. I am upfront with my clients and tell them 5 is my limit BC I don't want to take days off 6 extra days this year for ridiculous classes like diaper changing 101 when I have a CDA, tons of CE courses, and I was a preschool teacher and nanny before I became a mother.

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Those of you who believe that people should "mind their own business" with regards to illegal day care are completely ridiculous. The original question asked here was whether or not this person should report what she/he believes to be an illegal, or unlicensed, day care center. The first few responses to the original posting were obviously from people in similar situations as the person running the illegal day care because the tone of their responses was extremely defensive. You didn't bother to give a yes or no with an argument to back up your position. Instead you followed it with another questions..."how do you know it is illegal?". What does that matter? The question is should I or should I not report it. All I need from you is a yes or a no and why. The fact that someone is intentionally sidestepping the established laws doesn't seem to factor into your argument at all. What it comes down to is this...if it is run illegally then it should be reported. If the law is on the books and is not being followed, then it is a crime. Period! We all have an obligation to report a crime we know, or believe, to have taken place. This is a fundamental responsibility we all share as citizens. For those of you who are not citizens, it applies to you as well. The only people who would not report these crimes are those who would commit them themselves.
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Those of you who believe that people should "mind their own business" with regards to illegal day care are completely ridiculous. The original question asked here was whether or not this person should report what she/he believes to be an illegal, or unlicensed, day care center. The first few responses to the original posting were obviously from people in similar situations as the person running the illegal day care because the tone of their responses was extremely defensive. You didn't bother to give a yes or no with an argument to back up your position. Instead you followed it with another questions..."how do you know it is illegal?". What does that matter? The question is should I or should I not report it. All I need from you is a yes or a no and why. The fact that someone is intentionally sidestepping the established laws doesn't seem to factor into your argument at all. What it comes down to is this...if it is run illegally then it should be reported. If the law is on the books and is not being followed, then it is a crime. Period! We all have an obligation to report a crime we know, or believe, to have taken place. This is a fundamental responsibility we all share as citizens. For those of you who are not citizens, it applies to you as well. The only people who would not report these crimes are those who would commit them themselves.
OR..we could just let parents decide what they want for their kids. By the way, do you follow people around and call the police when the jaywalk, speed or litter? Those things are against the law too.

The reason people are asking *WHY* do you think the daycare is illegal is because we don't want people calling up to report every daycare provider that they see based on a hunch that they might be...

By the way...I AM a licensed provider and there is an unlicensed illegal daycare across the street from me. I wouldn't dream of reporting her so your assumption that the only people who wouldn't report are those who would/are commiting these "crimes" isn't correct. I have never seen anything that appears to be abusive and therefore I wouldn't report. PARENTS can decide for themselves if they want to go with a licensed provider or not.
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OR..we could just let parents decide what they want for their kids. By the way, do you follow people around and call the police when the jaywalk, speed or litter? Those things are against the law too.

The reason people are asking *WHY* do you think the daycare is illegal is because we don't want people calling up to report every daycare provider that they see based on a hunch that they might be...

By the way...I AM a licensed provider and there is an unlicensed illegal daycare across the street from me. I wouldn't dream of reporting her so your assumption that the only people who wouldn't report are those who would/are commiting these "crimes" isn't correct. I have never seen anything that appears to be abusive and therefore I wouldn't report. PARENTS can decide for themselves if they want to go with a licensed provider or not.

No kidding, doing this forever I can honestly say I've seen just as many bad licensed daycares as non licensed, and vice versa. In my state they don't have to be licensed, but looking into everything I don't see where licensed is an advantage to anyone except the state. A lady I know chose to get licensed as a group home, and she put her husband on since he was home and retired. Guess who really watched the 10 children? And maybe she is really good... but I don't think it makes a hill of beans, and many parents do know the license doesn't make a difference. Many clients come from the larger daycares that are licensed and warehouse kids, and all I ever hear is biting, aggression and basically a lack of one on one.

This is the thread that goes on and on because you will always have people that are jealous instead of productive. They like to see what's on everyone elses plate because it just might be better.
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I have an in home unlicensed daycare, and I love what I do. I will admit that getting it started was very hard and my husband and I had some hard times trying to pay our bills while I was doing it. I will also like to admit that i do not pay taxes on the income that I make weekly. I have only been doing daycare for 3 years now and have just now got to a point where I am making money. I only charge 75 per week so I provide a service to people who cannot afford licensed daycares and every parent knows I am unlicensed and I do not pay taxes on my income. I am very good at what I do and the kids are happy here. I am BARELY making a profit at all afetr food, drinks, crafts, toys, electricity, toiletries, etc.

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I think that there are unlicensed and licensed daycare that should NOT be open and I have no idea why people would take their kids there in the first place. The pool is no big deal as long as she is watching the kids and they arent out there playing around it. She should have respect for you and your house and if she is aware that she is affecting your income, maybe that should be something that you could talk to her about like adults.

I personally don't want to get licensed because of the fact that those people can come into my home anytime they want and if they see something that they don't like, they will take my kids! Drug addicts, alcoholics, people who have no business having kids all don't have to worry about keeping their kids but I can't spank my kids in Walmart fr throwing a fit.... You just never know anymore if what your doing with your kids coincides with the laws. The laws contradict themselves. You can't whoop your kids but a certain way and your kids aren't allowed to get into trouble without the parent getting into trouble, but discipline is not allowed... craziness. Anyways, I'm sure some of you women have something to say so lay it on.
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Daycare being run out of a rented condo. Landlord not aware . individual there for 4 months on section 8. damage to the toilet , electrical outlets, and ceiling from toilet being broken. Landlord being told each time something is broken multiple number of children being cared for approx. more than 6. In California is there any law to help the landlord remove this tenant who is very difficult to deal with in regards to property damage.
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Sorry. but this is not what you want to hear but it is the truth.

In California the landlord can not stop someone from running a licensed day care on the property.

http://www.childaction.org/providers...ord_Issues.pdf
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ēIn VA, An unregulated/unlicensed family day home is not inspected by the
state or its designee. It can legally provide care for no
more than five children, in addition to the providerís own
children or children residing in the home, or no more than
four children under the age of two, including the
providerís own children or children residing in the home,
at any one time. Homes that exceed capacity are operating
illegally.

I provide childcare out of my home in VA. I NEVER NEVER have more then 5 children at one time and its extremly rare I even have that many at 1 time. 90% of the time I have no more then 3 at one time. I claim everything I make, keep a reciept book, have contracts I use and everything, and keep immaculate records. I follow all the rules of my state. so just because someone is not licensed does not mean she is "illegal".
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Daycare being run out of a rented condo. Landlord not aware . individual there for 4 months on section 8. damage to the toilet , electrical outlets, and ceiling from toilet being broken. Landlord being told each time something is broken multiple number of children being cared for approx. more than 6. In California is there any law to help the landlord remove this tenant who is very difficult to deal with in regards to property damage.
You can't evict for the daycare, but you can for the damage. Contact licensing to make sure they are licensed, contact the DA about eviction.
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Oklahoma is crazy. I heard a story in the news a while back that a lady with several of her own kids allowed other parents to drop off their kids at her house before school as a safe place to hang out. Someone got wind of it can complained since she was not a permit carrying daycare. Not sure in that case it should matter. THe kids were only there for a little while before and after school.
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As a licensed daycare I have a problem with people being able to continue operating illegally, and yes it is illegal and can be punishable as a Class A misdemeanor with a fine of up to $100.00 per day while operating without a license! To become licensed you must meet many safety standards both within the home (fire extenguishers, walk-outs, smoke detectors, etc) and personally (Insurance, CPR/First Aid. Fingerprinting, TB, etc.), which all come at a cost to the provider. If you have helpers, they to have many of the same requirements that most providers pay for. Since you incur all these costs, you must then adjust your daycare rates accordingly so that you are making money at your business (yes, this is a business for anyone who watches children, legally or not). When a provider does not have to meet the standards or pay any additional costs by operating illegally, they can offer daycare at a lower rate. For those of you who see no issue with this, put yourself in this senario. You follow the rules and do everything you are suppose to for your business, while a person across town does everything illegally and is able to gain a larger profit by doing it this way, how can you see this as being ok?
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As a licensed daycare I have a problem with people being able to continue operating illegally, and yes it is illegal and can be punishable as a Class A misdemeanor with a fine of up to $100.00 per day while operating without a license! To become licensed you must meet many safety standards both within the home (fire extenguishers, walk-outs, smoke detectors, etc) and personally (Insurance, CPR/First Aid. Fingerprinting, TB, etc.), which all come at a cost to the provider. If you have helpers, they to have many of the same requirements that most providers pay for. Since you incur all these costs, you must then adjust your daycare rates accordingly so that you are making money at your business (yes, this is a business for anyone who watches children, legally or not). When a provider does not have to meet the standards or pay any additional costs by operating illegally, they can offer daycare at a lower rate. For those of you who see no issue with this, put yourself in this senario. You follow the rules and do everything you are suppose to for your business, while a person across town does everything illegally and is able to gain a larger profit by doing it this way, how can you see this as being ok?
Not in my state lady- I am operating 100% LEGALLY unlicensed. And doing a darn good job at it. Check your facts.
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I am also a legally UNlicensed DCP. I also have a degree in Early Childhood Education and am currently persuing my graduate degree in Child Studies. I am HIGHLY UNDERqualified to take care of children

Here in Canada childcare providers are THE MOST educated people of ALL people who work. Most childcare providers hold at least an undergraduate degree of some sort. However to be a good provider all you need is love and common sense.

The only thing being licensed will give me is a huge pay cut. I'd have to work for an organization who would pay me money and then take a stipened from what I make in order to provide services like inspections etc. It's not worth it to me!
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Just get your license like all other license child care providers so this can be a mute point.
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Hi!! I am a student who will be graduating with a Bachelor's Degree in Early Childhood Education. I was hoping to have my own daycare in the state of Vermont and I was wondering if I could run a daycare unlicensed with more than 6 children in my home?

If not, would I be able to run a daycare with over 6 children with multiple staff members? I have heard that the help that the state gives to daycares takes more money from the daycare than the daycare makes alone.

Thanks for all of the feedback. One more thing, I would like to take a poll: Please comment if you would prefer your child(ren) to attend a licensed or unlicensed daycare. Thank you!!
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Hi!! I am a student who will be graduating with a Bachelor's Degree in Early Childhood Education. I was hoping to have my own daycare in the state of Vermont and I was wondering if I could run a daycare unlicensed with more than 6 children in my home?

If not, would I be able to run a daycare with over 6 children with multiple staff members? I have heard that the help that the state gives to daycares takes more money from the daycare than the daycare makes alone.

Thanks for all of the feedback. One more thing, I would like to take a poll: Please comment if you would prefer your child(ren) to attend a licensed or unlicensed daycare. Thank you!!
I really dont understand why most pepople here says it cost alot to become license. I just became group with 16 children and I paied 110 for cpr/first aid and 25 buck for rcs form. Thats it. Inspections are free the actual license is free. In what states cost so much. Im in NY.
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I'm stunned licensing is so cheap in some places. I currently run a legal unlicensed daycare and am working on my license. It's going to cost at least $5000!
$45 for the application
$350 for a child Ed program
$50 for the application to register with the city
$50 for the fire inspection
$150 for 1st aid (almost expired)
$500 for flooring to bring up to licensing code
At least $2000 for the back yard to bring up to licensing code. Pea rock and concrete paths taken out
$400 to create fireplace barriers
$200 for permanent indoor gates
Thousands in supplies (second hand)

If I only had to pay $200 I would have done it years ago.


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I really dont understand why most pepople here says it cost alot to become license. I just became group with 16 children and I paied 110 for cpr/first aid and 25 buck for rcs form. Thats it. Inspections are free the actual license is free. In what states cost so much. Im in NY.
Sometimes it is not just the cost for certifications - I have done those previously & have no issues keeping certifications up-to-date. I live in a state where licensing is not required. I choose not to become licensed for a couple of reasons. #1 - I never intend to care for more than 2-3 children at a time, #2 - I really don't want a separate agency/group/gov't coming into my own home & telling me how to run my business, I figure if the parents I provide care for are happy with my home & me that is what matters & #3 - If I did choose to be licensed they would likely tell me to make many costly updates to my home - we have a HUGE backyard (over 3/4ths of an acre) which is almsot unheard of to be in city limits where I live. Licensing would cerainly require me to fence it in & I am sure they would require many more updates on our well-kept (but older, circa 1940s home). We simply do not have thousands of dollars sitting around to fence in our yard among other updates. Those are the reasons why I operate a small in-home legally unlicensed childcare (& I do possess a 4-year-college degree & report my income!).
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